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Tomlapaz
  • From:USA

Date Posted:16-09-2018 06:42:00Copy HTML

Interesting article.   Even believers forget that putting our trust in the risen Jesus does not change us overnight, at least in every area.   I had some changes in quick time myself, and others that are still a work in progress.


Sexual sin is one of the harder areas to transform, and that itself makes for an interesting discussion (probably due, I am thinking, to the fact that man, unlike animals, involves his spiritual nature in sexual relationships).


https://answersingenesis.org/family/homosexuality/journey-from-homosexual-lifestyle-to-christ/


 It maysurprise some readers, but conversionto Christ did not initially change myattraction for other women.


What conversion did change immediatelywas my mind. Indeed, I was notconverted out of homosexuality; I wasconverted out of unbelief.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #1
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:15-10-2018 09:02:04Copy HTML

Truth is not based on feelings.   This is the great error of our current nation (and out nation alone).


The mind changes, and in time,the feelings usually follow.    It may feel right to want to be angry at someone, and not be willing to forgive.   But that is not the truth.


From the article:


The Lord’s light illumined my sin through the law and illumined my hope through Jesus and the gospel. The gospel destroyed me before the Lord built me back up.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #2
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:15-10-2018 04:51:30Copy HTML

Homosexuality is not a sin. Sexuality has nothing to do with religion. It is biology and it is naturally a continuum like every other trait on earth. God has fuck-all nothing to do with it.
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #3
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:15-10-2018 10:48:17Copy HTML

Of course you are going to tell yourself.   Romans chapter 1.


Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #4
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:16-10-2018 05:24:13Copy HTML

I've told myself nothing. These are facts of nature. Not my facts. You've told yourself a 2000 year old fable. You are the one telling yourself stories.
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #5
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:16-10-2018 09:02:59Copy HTML

Plus, telling people there is native ancestry in your lineage is not cultural appropriation.
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #6
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:17-10-2018 02:15:22Copy HTML

So you believe in sin?


Cause if you do not, saying something is sin is a rather meaningless statement.   Is that what you were giving us?

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #7
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:17-10-2018 04:09:23Copy HTML

Oh Jesus Christ now I have to explain to this idiot that “sin” has multiple definitions and can simply be used to mean “offense”. Oh Jesus Christ now I will also have to explain to this idiot that because I used the phrase Jesus Christ doesn’t necessarily mean I believe in Jesus Christ.
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #8
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:18-10-2018 04:37:42Copy HTML

Or ....  you could just be honest.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #9
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:19-10-2018 07:31:13Copy HTML

Or .... you could just be honest. ___ OK, you are a lying delusional asshole. That is some honesty right there. Of course homosexuality is NOT a sin. Sin is a made up word by man. Homosexuality is the normal expression of human phenotype and genotype. It is natural in the sense that it happens naturally in our biology. You know all this, yet continue to lie about it. You have too many mental issues to dive into here.
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #10
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:19-10-2018 10:33:33Copy HTML

Homosexuality is not a sin.   Sexuality has nothing to do with religion.  It is biology and it is naturally a continuum like every other trait on earth.  God has fuck-all nothing to do with it.



When you posted this above - were you using the same definition of sin as is used in the OP?

Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #11
  • From:New_zealand

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:20-10-2018 02:39:18Copy HTML

By definition of sin you mean what Middle Eastern primitives from 5000 years ago believed? 

skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #12
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:20-10-2018 05:43:28Copy HTML

When you posted this above - were you using the same definition of sin as is used in the OP? Of course I was not about your ridiculous fable definition, which makes it a sin to eat oysters, shave your beard and other absurdities. Im talking about actual right and wrong inherent in our social evolution, not made up fantasies of bearded primitives.
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #13
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:20-10-2018 05:55:41Copy HTML

When you posted this above - were you using the same definition of sin as is used in the OP? Of course I was not about your ridiculous fable definition, which makes it a sin to eat oysters, shave your beard and other absurdities.  Im talking about actual right and wrong inherent in our social evolution, not made up fantasies of bearded primitives.



So you are admitting your post makes no sense, as it was not addressing the OP.    Now, you should have been honest about that from the start.   Not surprised you were not, but..............

Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #14
  • From:New_zealand

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:20-10-2018 08:07:45Copy HTML

When you posted this above - were you using the same definition of sin as is used in the OP? Of course I was not about your ridiculous fable definition, which makes it a sin to eat oysters, shave your beard and other absurdities.  Im talking about actual right and wrong inherent in our social evolution, not made up fantasies of bearded primitives.



So you are admitting your post makes no sense, as it was not addressing the OP.    Now, you should have been honest about that from the start.   Not surprised you were not, but..............


Tomás,  do you really believe what you have posted here?  His post makes complete sense.  It is true that you wrote the OP but you have a very transposable view of how it may be addressed.



skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #15
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:20-10-2018 08:23:30Copy HTML

Tomas excuses for not having a cogent response. 1). "You didn't read the OP" code for "I don't like your answer" 2) You don't know what I meant by the OP or "I wrote the OP, I know what I want you to say" - code for "I don't like your answer" 3) "You are not being honest" code for "I don't like your answer 4) When none of the above work....claim you cannot respond because of some unrelated thread a year ago about some unrelated topic where your feelings were hurt and you cant get over it.
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #16
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:20-10-2018 10:05:53Copy HTML

I am not making excuses for you Skwanderer.  You own your own posts there.   Whatever the cause behind your errors - it belongs to you.  No excuses.


Anyway, the OP is discussing sin as defined in the Bible.    Responses on sin using other definitions are fine - but one should be clear when doing that.   For if it is not clear in the context, the default definition would be that of the OP.


For example this was the reply:


Homosexuality is not a sin (responding to the OP usage of sin - so guess how that would get understood?).   Sexuality has nothing to do with religion.  It is biology and it is naturally a continuum like every other trait on earth.  God has fuck-all nothing to do with it.


Given the OP, what reason is there, when reading that response, that the use of the word 'sin' in your response, tying it to 'religion' as you did, it not mean to be tied to the same meaning as in the OP?

Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #17
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:22-10-2018 12:33:02Copy HTML

Tom, have I showed you pictures of my boyfriend, lately?


 


Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #18
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:23-10-2018 12:19:21Copy HTML

Not lately - are you asking for prayer for him also?

Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #19
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:23-10-2018 01:39:52Copy HTML

No Tom, I'm not asking for any prayers.  YOUR prayers are neither wanted or needed.

skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #20
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:23-10-2018 01:48:29Copy HTML

Why would anyone want a prayer that doesn’t work from a made up religion given by a liar?
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #21
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:24-10-2018 05:34:15Copy HTML

No Tom, I'm not asking for any prayers.  YOUR prayers are neither wanted or needed.



They may not be wanted, but they are seriously needed.

Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #22
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:24-10-2018 10:49:07Copy HTML

No Tom.  Neither myself or my boyfriend need your prayers that seek to change what your bigoted belief has deemed inferior.

It is you that seriously needs those prayers.  You seriously need them to bolster your feeling of superiority over others, that you can change them to your own desired image.

skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #23
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:24-10-2018 01:11:31Copy HTML

They may not be wanted, but they are seriously needed. _____ The sickness of a person who believes they need to change others when they themselves are twisted liars burying in bronze age fables. Its remarkable. I recall a guy like Tomas coming to our door when I was a kid. It was super bowl sunday and my father and I had just climbed down from the roof where we had adjusted the old antennae to get one of 3 channels we had so we could watch the game on our black and white TV. This guy started telling my father how wrong he lived his like just like asshat lying Tomas. My father looked at him, made a fist, told him he was living in a world the size of his fist, and our worlds were about to collide if he didn't walk off and never come back. What the fuck is wrong with these people that they feel the need to tell others how they are living their lives wrong based on the babblings of bronze age idiots? People are so stupid.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #24
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:24-10-2018 04:22:27Copy HTML

They may not be wanted, but they are seriously needed.

The sickness of a person who believes they need to change others when they themselves are twisted liars burying in bronze age fables.  Its remarkable. I recall a guy like Tomas coming to our door when I was a kid.  It was super bowl sunday and my father and I had just climbed down from the roof where we had adjusted the old antennae to get one of 3 channels we had so we could watch the game on our black and white TV.   This guy started telling my father how wrong he lived his like just like asshat lying Tomas.   My father looked at him, made a fist, told him he was living in a world the size of his fist, and our worlds were about to collide if he didn't walk off and never come back.   What the fuck is wrong with these people that they feel the need to tell others how they are living their lives wrong based on the babblings of bronze age idiots? People are so stupid.


" I am a genius, just ask me AND if you do NOT accept everything i tell you, FUCK YOU, you are an idiot"-SKDUMMY

Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #25
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:25-10-2018 01:21:04Copy HTML

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skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #26
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:25-10-2018 12:04:29Copy HTML

I am actually technically a genius Wale. It’s the way of the world. Not everyone was born with brains. There are people like yourself born feeble and the rest of us take care of you. It’s nice you have a computer at the group home to entertain yourself. Perhaps you should find others more similar in intellect since you are unable to talk with us adults. There must be chat rooms for children or mentally challenged people out there. On the other hand, if you think “my pronouncements” are in error, rather than calling me names like a 6 year old, rebut them. Now that would be a novel approach wouldn’t it? Rather than stomping your feet and calling me names like a toddler...go ahead and rebut something. Wow, how crazy would that be? Want to start in the global flood thread?
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #27
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:25-10-2018 11:59:48Copy HTML

No Tom.  Neither myself or my boyfriend need your prayers that seek to change what your bigoted belief has deemed inferior.

It is you that seriously needs those prayers.  You seriously need them to bolster your feeling of superiority over others, that you can change them to your own desired image.



We all need prayer.   But by your admittance, you and your friend are not right with the Creator.   Till you know His peace.......................

Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #28
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:26-10-2018 01:10:12Copy HTML

Frankly, Tom, nobody needs the kind of bigoted, 'god make them just like me' kind of prayer that you are offering here.

Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #29
  • From:New_zealand

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:26-10-2018 05:20:25Copy HTML


Godfather of Gay Studies

Martin Duberman was warned by a therapist in 1955 about "the hopelessness of homosexual life." Now 88, he still feels damaged.
 


Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #30
  • From:USA

Re:A Journey from a Homosexual Lifestyle to Christ

Date Posted:26-10-2018 10:47:41Copy HTML

Frankly, Tom, nobody needs the kind of bigoted, 'god make them just like me' kind of prayer that you are offering here.



Out of curiosity, do you think the young lady in the OP was able to so drastically change apart from prayer?

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