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bones1776
  • From:USA

Date Posted:14-08-2017 10:18:35

Genesis chapter 6 gives us four reasons why God sent the Flood:

  1. 'The wickedness of man was great in the earth' (v. 5).
  2. 'Every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually' (v. 5).
  3. 'The earth was filled with violence' (v. 11).
  4. 'The earth...was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth' (v. 12).


So how did the flood work to solve wickedness, corruption and violence Mr. All-Knowing Omnipotent God?    How is that going?  At least we got to populate the world with incest ......a second time.  But being all-knowing, he must have seen the flood would not have worked, and he killed everyone anyway.  Awesome God.

It seems he is pretty much a failure as a God.  Maybe it was his brother who was the all-knowing one.



Live it or live with it.
bones1776 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #1
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:14-08-2017 11:33:58

 The all-knowing, loving, peaceful God created a world full of violence and sin whereby the vast majority of us spend eternity in a lake of fire.   But he loves you. 

You have to be a special kind of idiot to take the bible literally.

Live it or live with it.
jaccat Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #2
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:15-08-2017 01:08:46

 I have wondered. How do we know someone just didn't sit down and write the bible??skeptical.
bones1776 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #3
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:15-08-2017 01:32:39

 We know they did. 


Live it or live with it.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #4
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:15-08-2017 02:47:24

The bible is made up of the fantasies of primitive pre-bronze age nomadic goat herders attempting to explain the universe.  It has been added to by a variety of people with a variety of reasons, often to change minds and make the peasants more docile.

On the subject of the flood, where did the water come from?  Where did it go?  Why did the salt water of the sea, the presumably pure water of the flood and the lakes not all mix together?
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #5
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:26-09-2017 06:06:52

The OP claims it did not work - but the OP does not explain how that is so.


The below has not been true since, and is not true today - yet - but Jesus does warn that before his return, it will be like the days of Noah.

  1. 'The wickedness of man was great in the earth' (v. 5).
  2. 'Every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually' (v. 5).
  3. 'The earth was filled with violence' (v. 11).
  4. 'The earth...was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth' (v. 12).
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
bones1776 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #6
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:26-09-2017 06:27:39

 So the all knowing God wanted to make it only a little better, where corruption, adultery, wicked thoughts only live in the hearts of men 70% of the time instead of say....75%?   Some powerful all-knowing God.  Lets kill everyone so that some of them can be better.

Let me guess, he works in mysterious ways?


Delusional idiot. 

Live it or live with it.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #7
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:26-09-2017 08:15:19

If the deity does exist why didn't the fool make humans "good"?  All this pissing around because men are evil is too silly.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #8
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:27-09-2017 06:20:53

Reply to skwanderer

 So the all knowing God wanted to make it only a little better, where corruption, adultery, wicked thoughts only live in the hearts of men 70% of the time instead of say....75%?   Some powerful all-knowing God.  Lets kill everyone so that some of them can be better.

Let me guess, he works in mysterious ways?


Delusional idiot. 


A 'little' better - still clueless about how evil you and I can actually be.  Or maybe you are not, and you are wrestling with that knowledge.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #9
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:27-09-2017 07:56:03

Would you care to explain how you think the water of the flood and the water of the seas did not mix together along with lake waters? 
The magic for that probably was much more intricate than just producing the flood.
Also, where did the flood disappear to when it abated?

If you can't think how these things happened, why not ask your god?

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #10
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:27-09-2017 07:58:04

Reply to Yobbo

If the deity does exist why didn't the fool make humans "good"?  All this pissing around because men are evil is too silly.

Oh..... and I have not seen any comment on this.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
bones1776 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #11
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:27-09-2017 08:02:06

 A 'little' better - still clueless about how evil you and I can actually be.  Or maybe you are not, and you are wrestling with that knowledge.

____


There is no evidence the world was less evil after the flood....the dark ages come to mind. Mass slaughter for centuries, Aztecs, Egyptians,  Romans, Celts, etc....the slaughtered, killed, raped and fought.  You are making shit up to support your fairy tale.  We have been plenty wicked after the alleged flood that never happened.   So at best, the flood could have only made us slightly less wicked.


Amazing, the stories a delusional idiot will tell to himself.

Live it or live with it.
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #12
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:28-09-2017 06:53:41

There is no evidence the world was less evil after the flood

How would  you know?   You don't even understand the depth of depravity in your own heart.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #13
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:28-09-2017 08:22:22

Reply to Yobbo

Would you care to explain how you think the water of the flood and the water of the seas did not mix together along with lake waters? 
The magic for that probably was much more intricate than just producing the flood.
Also, where did the flood disappear to when it abated?

If you can't think how these things happened, why not ask your god?


Ahem.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
PavlovsDog Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #14
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:20-10-2017 10:17:56

Reply to Tomlapaz

There is no evidence the world was less evil after the flood

How would  you know?   You don't even understand the depth of depravity in your own heart.


You can't accuse somebody of a depraved heart, post flood. Then argue that the flood was sent by and omnipotent God to eradicate depravity. That's a blatant contradiction. 
Unlike a Lie, the Truth requires no eloquence.
PavlovsDog Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #15
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:20-10-2017 10:19:15

I think Jehovah just wants to be feared.
Unlike a Lie, the Truth requires no eloquence.
PavlovsDog Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #16
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:20-10-2017 10:28:15

It can logically be argued that if the human being is flawed, then it must be the intent of the designer that he be flawed. There is no facet of your being that wasn't pre-planned by the omnipotent.
Unlike a Lie, the Truth requires no eloquence.
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #17
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:20-10-2017 06:12:05

Reply to PavlovsDog

Reply to Tomlapaz

There is no evidence the world was less evil after the flood

How would  you know?   You don't even understand the depth of depravity in your own heart.


You can't accuse somebody of a depraved heart, post flood. Then argue that the flood was sent by and omnipotent God to eradicate depravity. That's a blatant contradiction. 

No one is claiming that the flood eradicated depravity from human hearts - only the blood of Jesus can do that.
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #18
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:20-10-2017 08:18:42

Tomlapaz is full of shit.  He avoids answering my questions even more blatantly than his avoiding those of skwanderer.  With the latter he mooches around and asks a question in response.  Asking a question is not answering another one.  And of course, not even mentioning an asked question is, well, weak as weak can be.

On the subject of the flood, where did the water come from?  Where did it go?  Why did the salt water of the sea, the presumably pure water of the flood and the lakes not all mix together?

Would you care to explain how you think the water of the flood and the water of the seas did not mix together along with lake waters? 
The magic for that probably was much more intricate than just producing the flood.
Also, where did the flood disappear to when it abated?

If you can't think how these things happened, why not ask your god?

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #19
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:20-10-2017 10:24:16

Lets look at what seems to be your premise - if one cannot answer every question on the flood, then it cannot be true, yes? 

I want to know - because then I am going to take that answer to where it should lead you.  So, be sure to answer seriously.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
bones1776 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #20
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:20-10-2017 10:53:08

 Lets look at what seems to be your premise - if one cannot answer every question on the flood, then it cannot be true, yes? 

_____________


Not my premise.  Mine is that you cannot answer ANY question about the flood.  Want to try?  I've got a lot of questions.

Live it or live with it.
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #21
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:21-10-2017 05:11:29

There are answers to many questions - if you two were honest, answers are not really what you want.  

But - if you do, you could easily and quickly find them by searching the ICR or Answers in Genesis sites.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #22
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:21-10-2017 07:04:56

Reply to Tomlapaz

Lets look at what seems to be your premise - if one cannot answer every question on the flood, then it cannot be true, yes? 

I want to know - because then I am going to take that answer to where it should lead you.  So, be sure to answer seriously.


I would like you to answer as many of the questions I asked that you can.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #23
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:21-10-2017 07:08:35

I want you, not AIG, to tell me what you think happened.
And if you cannot, perhaps you could look up what AIG tells you.
And if you can't get an answer, tell us that you don't know and nor does any of the books you read.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #24
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:21-10-2017 07:15:09

Reply to Yobbo

Reply to Tomlapaz

Lets look at what seems to be your premise - if one cannot answer every question on the flood, then it cannot be true, yes? 

I want to know - because then I am going to take that answer to where it should lead you.  So, be sure to answer seriously.


I would like you to answer as many of the questions I asked that you can.


I have many questions asked of you that you do not answer.  For example - claims you make that you could not back up.

Little odd for you then to be so demanding.  

I asked YOU to answer the above question, repeated below.

Lets look at what seems to be your premise - if one cannot answer every question on the flood, then it cannot be true, yes? 

I want to know - because then I am going to take that answer to where it should lead you.  So, be sure to answer seriously.


Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #25
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:21-10-2017 06:15:43

There you go again!  Not answering questions asked of you.

I'll tell you what I think.  There was a fairly disastrous flood in Mesopotamia which the primitives who lived there attributed to god and fantasised as to why it happened.  They then said that this flood was world wide. To them the world was Mesopotamia and a small area surrounding it. 
There are accounts written by Chinese at the same time where there was no flood.  Never had been one as described.   Now I know you think this happened before the Chinese accounts but you are wrong.
The whole story was a polishing
by the Israelites of the initial story made up by Mesopotamians in response to the flood.
Like much of the bible it was the primitives trying to explain natural wondrous events and using their god to explain things they couldn't otherwise.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #26
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:21-10-2017 06:26:00

Not answering questions asked of you.


Now there is the pot calling the kettle black, eh?

Ok, you have told me what you think,  you know what I say about the passage (clearly the author there, and through scriptures, including  Jesus, see it as a world wide flood).   Your main stumbling block is because of  your hostility to the Creator.  That has been clear.

The below I would still like to know.


Lets look at  what seems to be your  premise - if one cannot answer every question on the flood, then it cannot be true, yes? 

I want to know - because then I am going to take that answer to where it should lead you.  So, be sure to answer seriously.


Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #27
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:22-10-2017 02:50:16

Reply to Tomlapaz

Not answering questions asked of you.


Now there is the pot calling the kettle black, eh?


No, I ignore repeated nonsense after the first time.


Ok, you have told me what you think,  you know what I say about the passage (clearly the author there, and through scriptures, including  Jesus, see it as a world wide flood).   Your main stumbling block is because of  your hostility to the Creator.  That has been clear.


There have been scientific tests that indicate that there has never been a global flood, certainly not during the time mankind has been around.  I'm not hostile about your "creator" - I simply doubt its existence.


The below I would still like to know.


Lets look at  what seems to be your  premise - if one cannot answer every question on the flood, then it cannot be true, yes?


I'd like you to answer the bits you can, then I will consider it.  I accept that portions are better than none.

I want to know - because then I am going to take that answer to where it should lead you.  So, be sure to answer seriously.


I'd like you to simply answer all that you can of the questions I have asked you.  Then we can see were that leads.




"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #28
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:22-10-2017 03:21:59

No, I ignore repeated nonsense after the first time.


So can I.    And since you ran away from the claim you posted in the other thread, again, here is where we stand:

Lets look at  what seems to be your  premise - if one cannot answer every question on the flood, then it cannot be true, yes? 

I want to know - because then I am going to take that answer to where it should lead you.  So, be sure to answer seriously.


Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #29
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:22-10-2017 05:25:42

Reply to Tomlapaz

No, I ignore repeated nonsense after the first time.


So can I.    And since you ran away from the claim you posted in the other thread, again, here is where we stand:

Lets look at  what seems to be your  premise - if one cannot answer every question on the flood, then it cannot be true, yes? 

I want to know - because then I am going to take that answer to where it shimply asked yiould lead you.  So, be sure to answer seriously.



Just do it.  I d
id not run away from anything. 
I simply asked you to answer what you can. 
What happened to the water of the flood? Did it not mix with the sea? 
Did the water from the sea and lakes not mix together? 
When the flood was over what happened to the water? 
Do you know the volume of water that would be required to cover the highest mountain?
I might add did the flood occur before the earth became a globe? 

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #30
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:22-10-2017 05:44:53

I did not run away from anything. 

That is clearly not true, as we saw in the other thread.  You posted a claim, it was refuted, you refuse to retract it, but never could defend it afterwards, then played dumb as to which claim you had posted, and so on.

Anyway, all the questions you ask are likely to be found on the web site I have noted, but the one below is not, so again:

Lets look at  what seems to be your  premise - if one cannot answer every question on the flood, then it cannot be true, yes? 

I want to know - because then I am going to take that answer to where it should lead you.  So, be sure to answer seriously.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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