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  • From:Unknown

Date Posted:14-08-2017 10:18:35Copy HTML

Genesis chapter 6 gives us four reasons why God sent the Flood:

  1. 'The wickedness of man was great in the earth' (v. 5).
  2. 'Every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually' (v. 5).
  3. 'The earth was filled with violence' (v. 11).
  4. 'The earth...was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth' (v. 12).


So how did the flood work to solve wickedness, corruption and violence Mr. All-Knowing Omnipotent God?    How is that going?  At least we got to populate the world with incest ......a second time.  But being all-knowing, he must have seen the flood would not have worked, and he killed everyone anyway.  Awesome God.

It seems he is pretty much a failure as a God.  Maybe it was his brother who was the all-knowing one.



Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #31
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:22-10-2017 07:23:08Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

I did not run away from anything. 

That is clearly not true, as we saw in the other thread.  You posted a claim, it was refuted, you refuse to retract it, but never could defend it afterwards, then played dumb as to which claim you had posted, and so on.


Refresh my memory, tell me the details.


Anyway, all the questions you ask are likely to be found on the web site I have noted, but the one below is not, so again:


I'd like to hear your opinion.


Lets look at  what seems to be your  premise - if one cannot answer every question on the flood, then it cannot be true, yes?


No, I have already said that your not answering one question has no effect on the rest of the questions. 


I want to know - because then I am going to take that answer to where it should lead you.  So, be sure to answer seriously.


Let's hear it.



"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #32
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:22-10-2017 08:31:22Copy HTML

Refresh my memory, tell me the details.


You asked me that in the other thread, I did, and still you played games.  Why should I play your game here?

Ball is in your court:

Lets look at  what seems to be your  premise - if one cannot answer every question on the flood, then it cannot be true, yes?


Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #33
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:22-10-2017 08:14:33Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

Refresh my memory, tell me the details.


You asked me that in the other thread, I did, and still you played games.  Why should I play your game here?

Ball is in your court:


Prove it.

Lets look at  what seems to be your  premise - if one cannot answer every question on the flood, then it cannot be true, yes?

NO!

I simply want you to answer what you can of those questions.




"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #34
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:23-10-2017 09:46:55Copy HTML

I have proved it several times, Yobbo.  It is, frankly, getting rather old with you and the games you were playing.


So, then, given the format above, your answer to the question below is no, as I read it, correct?


Lets look at  what seems to be your  premise - if one cannot answer every question on the flood, then it cannot be true, yes?

NO!

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #35
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:23-10-2017 07:13:58Copy HTML

So, am I to assume that you won't answer my questions? 
Is this because you can't answer some (any?) of them but don't want to admit it?
It rather looks like that. 
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #36
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:23-10-2017 11:13:31Copy HTML

That is just it - you are going to assume what you want, if you are honest.  Which is the problematic caveat, as noted in the other thread.


So, then, given the format above, your answer to the question below is no, as I read it, correct?


Lets look at  what seems to be your  premise - if one cannot answer every question on the flood, then it cannot be true, yes?

NO!


Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #37
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:24-10-2017 02:34:47Copy HTML

It is you who introduced the format. 

I simply want you to answer my questions.  

Take each one, one at a time. 

I will assess the answers individually and no, just because you can't answer all them, if you can't answer all of them, I have no preconceived ideas about right and wrong.

.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #38
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:24-10-2017 03:43:30Copy HTML

Then it should not matter, yes?

Because, in the past, I have responded to your questions, and you simply go looking for more - because, lets be honest - you are simply looking for a reason to disbelieve, yes? 

Course, again, if  you just simply wanted to know,  you would check out what scientists who are researching in this area may have to say, yes?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #39
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:24-10-2017 03:45:07Copy HTML

Not to mention the fact that the biblical account itself answers at least one of the questions.
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #40
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:24-10-2017 06:44:06Copy HTML

Crap!
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #41
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:24-10-2017 06:57:01Copy HTML

You are going to have to be more specific.  Which statement of mine (or yours) are you referring to, are you just sharing what you are doing at the moment, what?
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #42
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:24-10-2017 08:14:33Copy HTML

You don't want to answer because  you can't but you don't want to admit it.  So you adopt your usual modus operandi which is to obfuscate.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #43
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:24-10-2017 10:28:51Copy HTML

Lets say that is true - so, is this then not an example of the pot calling the kettle black?

The irony of you complaining about the action of another person that you yourself do?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #44
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:25-10-2017 02:10:38Copy HTML

You know it is true; you avoid answering questions and dishonestly accuse other of doing what you do.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #45
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:25-10-2017 05:18:17Copy HTML

The exact same thing can be said about you - as noted, you did that very thing in the  other thread. 

So, where does this get us?  I asked for clarification of your one word comment here, and even that bothers you.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #46
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:25-10-2017 07:09:03Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

The exact same thing can be said about you - as noted, you did that very thing in the  other thread.

You claim I did something wrong.   Prove it.

So, where does this get us?  I asked for clarification of your one word comment here, and even that bothers you.

What was the word?




"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #47
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:26-10-2017 01:37:43Copy HTML

Good grief - how does one have a discussion with someone who can't seem to remember very recent posts even?

Tell me you are asking such simply out of silliness.  Please

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #48
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:26-10-2017 04:19:17Copy HTML

You go to massive lengths to avoid actually answering.

Most of what you say is crap and I find that I can't distinguish much of it.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #49
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:26-10-2017 04:32:45Copy HTML

For me, I find that if you actually being honest, then you are playing the fool, not able apparently to follow even your own conversations posted recently, let alone longer term.

For example, below - how hard is it, really, to simply scroll back a  bit to get context, etc. if you forget what you last posted? it is almost like  you suffer from a short attention span.


So, where does this get us?  I asked for clarification of your one word comment here, and even that bothers you.

What was the word?



Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #50
  • From:Unknown

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:27-10-2017 01:00:28Copy HTML

 Good grief - how does one have a discussion with someone who can't seem to remember very recent posts even?

Tell me you are asking such simply out of silliness.  Please

_____________________


Tomas cannot ever restate something he claims to have explained.  He goes on for page after page of "you should have seen it", "it was clear in an earlier unidentified post that no one can find", "anyone could follow".

Anything to avoid answering questions he is unable to answer, all the while pretending to have answered them.

He is very seriously mentally ill.

Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #51
  • From:Unknown

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:27-10-2017 01:01:49Copy HTML

 And by the way, there was no global flood.  Definitively proven to not have happened ever in the history of the planet.  The evidence from every single field of science is not only compelling, it is irrefutable.  There is no reason to have this debate because the debate has long been over.


Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #52
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:27-10-2017 05:02:18Copy HTML

"you should have seen it"'



Something, interesting enough, several folk have observed and commented with you, Skw.  Including some who are clearly more astute here then either you or I.

Of course it would take some humility to recognize this flaw you have.

Anyway, Yobbo's questions are not based on his thinking the worldwide flood happened (which, whether it did or not - pretty clear that is what the writer in Genesis said happened).

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #53
  • From:Unknown

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:30-10-2017 08:13:46Copy HTML

 

Something, interesting enough, several folk have observed and commented with you, Skw.  Including some who are clearly more astute here then either you or I.

Of course it would take some humility to recognize this flaw you have.

Anyway, Yobbo's questions are not based on his thinking the worldwide flood happened (which, whether it did or not - pretty clear that is what the writer in Genesis said happened).

____

some folk have observed and commened about me" regarding what?  let me guess, you cant say nor can you find a single example.


Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #54
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:30-10-2017 08:36:07Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 

Something, interesting enough, several folk have observed and commented with you, Skw.  Including some who are clearly more astute here then either you or I.

Of course it would take some humility to recognize this flaw you have.

Anyway, Yobbo's questions are not based on his thinking the worldwide flood happened (which, whether it did or not - pretty clear that is what the writer in Genesis said happened).

____

some folk have observed and commened about me" regarding what?  let me guess, you cant say nor can you find a single example.



He will insist he has told you but refuse to locate the instance, simply because he didn't tell you, hence he can't.  Many of his posts are based on similar non-events.

To Tomlapaz, it is true I believe the flood never happened - well one as described in the bible, water above the hig
hest mountain.  Archaeology tells us that there was a flood in Mesopotamia which washed away great chunks of what passed for buildings of the era and area.  This flood was recorded by other sources that also attributed it to various deities' anger at human sins. 
But a global flood?  No way. Contemporary Chinese were very much more advanced, had methods of recording events and they lived through the period the flood was reputed to have occurred yet they don't mention it. 
In fact the Egyptians were also much more advanced than Levantine people and they have no records of a global flood although some mentions of the Mesopotamian floods exist.
As indicated above, there were other mentions of the flood - Egyptians mentioned it for example.  Both the Egyptians and the Mesopotamians were much more advanced than the Levantine Israelis who cribbed the story and expanded it.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #55
  • From:Unknown

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:30-10-2017 09:38:35Copy HTML

 Even if Egyptians or Chinese mention such a thing, geology says it never happened.  Tomas, as always, is a delusional lying idiot who only distracts and obfuscates when cornered.  He never debated anything in his life.
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #56
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:30-10-2017 10:43:47Copy HTML

some folk have observed and commened about me" regarding what?  let me guess, you cant say nor can you find a single example.

Been all over the political forum these past few days - so thus underlining the point that you do lack the humility to see it.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #57
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:30-10-2017 10:45:04Copy HTML

And Yobbo's feelings seem to be hurt.  Yobbo - do read this thread from beginning to end, thoughtfully.   You might then see why some of your posts are just 'out there'.
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #58
  • From:Unknown

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:30-10-2017 11:02:45Copy HTML

 some folk have observed and commened about me" regarding what?  let me guess, you cant say nor can you find a single example.

Been all over the political forum these past few days - so thus underlining the point that you do lack the humility to see it.

___

Really? then you can cut and paste your favorite one.  Ready go.

Why are you such a dishonest liar Tomas? Everyone in the forum has been calling you a dishonest liar.  Don't you see it?  Its all over the forum.

That last part is actually true.  You are routinely called a dishonest liar by more than me. Since you seem to think that has some bearing on my responses, then it must also have bearing on yours, right?




Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #59
  • From:USA

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:31-10-2017 04:12:42Copy HTML

Well, I have seen you call me such, and I believe Yobbo, and I have seen Bogus - and I think there are a few others.  

We all will stand before our Creator one day and have to answer to Him - and He knows all.


Unto men it is appointed once to die - and then the judgment.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #60
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All knowing God screws up with Global Flood

Date Posted:31-10-2017 08:22:44Copy HTML

Tomlapaz picks away at how thoroughly I have read the thread rather than answer the questions I have raised.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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