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Tomlapaz
  • From:USA

Date Posted:31-03-2018 10:16:01

If there is one animal that fits us, it is sheep.  All we like sheep have gone astray, each to his own way.


From Grace Mail devotional.

Calvary PHX
Phoenix, Arizona
www.calvaryphx.com


"But he led his own people like a flock of sheep, guiding them safely through the wilderness" (Psalm 78:52).

When you hear the word "wilderness" what comes to your mind? If you're like most people, your mind probably conjures up images of untamed lands full of unexpected surprises and hidden dangers. Maybe you think of wide-open expanses of untouched desert or think dense forests. When the Bible uses the word "wilderness," it is usually talking about a desolate, lonely place where people come face to face with God's plan for their lives.

Have you ever felt like God has led you out of a lush garden right into a wilderness? Jesus experienced a wilderness time in His life. In fact, like many of us, Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness. Matthew 4:1 says, "Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil…" Every life has wilderness times—times when we feel intense spiritual need. Every life includes times when we may feel isolated and lonely. During those times we might believe we've missed what the Lord intended for us and ask, "Lord, did I make a wrong turn somewhere? Did I mistake Your direction?"

When God leads us into a spiritual wilderness experience it's so He can do the work in our lives, which needs to be done so we can become the people He has called us to be. God has a plan and it includes dry times. It can be a time the Lord wants us to go through to test us and prepare us for what He wants us to do for Him, or it may be a time when our faith grows stronger.

"Lord, please use this wilderness time in my life to build my faith and refine me so that I don't simply live on spiritual emotions. I truly want to live by faith and praise you."

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:01-04-2018 01:16:32

03/22/18


"He makes me lie down in green pastures..." (Psalm 23:2a, NASB).

We'd do a lot better in life if we'd stop fighting for our own way. It's really a subtle form of idolatry. We set ourselves up to be little gods; we're going to tell God what to do! We're going to be lord of our lives, and we do it so nicely and spiritually. But, you know, as long as you fight the will of God, as long as you fight the trouble that He allows in your life, as long as you fight the sickness and the circumstances that He allows, you've lost. You're not going to win the prize that way!

God's going to do His work in your life. Instead of fighting God, rejoice in the work He's doing in your life? Instead of fighting those waves when they come after you and crash over your head, grab a surfboard and ride those waves. "I don't know what You're doing, Lord, but let's ride the waves!" Let's change our expectations and let's go with what God has decided to do.

But our flesh cries out, "NO! I want it my way!"

The reality is, God's way is the best way, believe me! When you get to heaven, you won't be criticizing God for how He handled your life. What you will do is see that God was good your whole life through, and that He knew what He was doing. "Why did I fight Him? Look at the detour I made there. How stupid. I could've been there a lot sooner if I would've just submitted. Oh brother. I had to go through that course five times before I passed it."

Get that perspective now. Say, "Okay! I'm not going to fight You, Lord. I'm going to rest in You."

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:02-04-2018 05:59:36

3/24/18

"For in the day of trouble He will conceal me in His tabernacle; In the secret place of His tent He will hide me; He will lift me up on a rock" (Psalm 27:5, NASB).

This Scripture says that in the day of trouble, He will hide me in His tabernacle. What's that talking about? The Apostle John clues us in:

"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:14, NASB).

The Greek actually says the Word "tabernacled" among us. A tabernacle is simply a tent. Jesus came in the "tent of human flesh," but when you get to know Him and see what's inside the tent, you realize that He is God Almighty.

So, Psalm 27:5 is saying that in the day of trouble He will conceal me in Jesus! That's Who the tabernacle of God is now. In the secret place of His tent He will hide me. That's Jesus.

In the day of trouble, Jesus is going to hide you and protect you. You're His sheep, He's your Shepherd. You're going to find refuge in Him. You don't have to worry. He's going to take care of you. That's HIS job. Think about this:

  • I've never seen an armed sheep.
  • I've never seen an attack sheep, have you?
  • You don't use sheep for guard dogs.
  • You don't keep a "watch sheep."

Imagine a burglar trying to break into your house, and he hears, "BAAAA! BAAAA! BAAAA!" It just doesn't do anything. Sheep need protection. They aren't made to protect themselves. They have to be protected by someone stronger than themselves, right?

Well, apply that, You are His sheep. You can't protect yourself because it's His job to protect you, and He will.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #3
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:04-04-2018 04:21:49

We (my family) have a farm where we (mostly my son and some workers) farm sheep.  About 8,000 ewes.

I stay away when I can but usually am called on to work during lambing season.
 
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:05-04-2018 04:17:45

My son and his friend worked with sheep at one of their jobs (they did some traveling around the US, and stayed with a rancher for some time).

I think if he could, that type of work, ranching and/or farming, is what he be doing now.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #5
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:06-04-2018 03:16:15

On a farm that has been established and worked for some time (several years), sheep farming is tedious beyond belief of all but a month or so each year.  (Lambing and shearing). Those months are hectic and drive sane folk to the point of madness.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #6
  • From:USA

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:07-04-2018 05:54:16

So, most months it is just plain tedious?  And the couple of months it is not - extremely busy, but not tedious?
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #7
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:07-04-2018 06:08:43

You have to make sure all is well as far as sheep are concerned but it is rather same same.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #8
  • From:USA

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:07-04-2018 07:09:48

Yeah sheep do not sound like they would fair well or long on their own in the wild.
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:07-04-2018 07:10:31

03/25/18


"Why are you cast down, O my soul? And why are you disquieted within me? Hope in God; For I shall yet praise Him, The help of my countenance and my God" (Psalm 42:11, NKJV).

What is this verse talking about?

Well, the word "downcast" or being "cast down" is an old English shepherding term that refers to what happens to a sheep when he rolls over on his back and can't get up. When a sheep rolls over onto his back and all four legs are in the air, something physiologically begins to happen to it.

The sun will begin to warm up his belly and a process of fermentation begins. The sheep's stomach will begin to swell, cutting off circulation of the blood to its legs, so that even if you turn the sheep over you'd have to massage each of its legs until the circulation returns. A good shepherd would do that. If the sheep is "downcast" too long, it would die because circulation will stop.

Not only can sheep be downcast, but a soul can be downcast.

"He restores my soul" (Psalm 23:3, NASB).

That's so neat! David, being a shepherd, really understood this. From the standpoint of the sheep, he understood what a shepherd would do for his sheep. Jesus knows how to restore and revive His downcast sheep.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #10
  • From:USA

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:07-04-2018 09:03:06

 Jesus knows how to restore and revive His downcast sheep.

___


great.  When is he expected to begin?  He really knows how but it has never worked....so......he really has no idea.

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #11
  • From:USA

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:07-04-2018 09:42:48

Millions of folk testify otherwise that it has worked for them.   It has for me, for my wife.

 It is on you to show their testimony to be false.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #12
  • From:USA

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:07-04-2018 10:29:16

Reply to skwanderer

 Jesus knows how to restore and revive His downcast sheep.

___


great.  When is he expected to begin?  He really knows how but it has never worked....so......he really has no idea.


THAT is a very arrogant statement. Simply you never having wanted to see it doesn't make it so.
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #13
  • From:USA

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:09-04-2018 09:12:11

03/26/18

"Why are you cast down, O my soul? And why are you disquieted within me? Hope in God..." (Psalm 42:11a, NKJV).

Being a shepherd, David understood that downcast sheep needed special care. He knew there are times sheep might be downcast and roll over on their back. This would happen because they would roll over into a depression in the ground. The sheep would be lying on its side, and if they lean back into a depression on the ground, all of a sudden they wouldn't be able to get up. Right off the bat, the blood circulation is cut off going to its legs so that even if you turn that sheep over, you'd have to stand there and hold the sheep while massaging each leg until the circulation is restored. A good shepherd would do that.

It's the same for us Christian sheep. You can just be sitting there, enjoying life and all of a sudden something happens that rolls you over into a depression. It could be:

  • Something someone says to you.
  • A letter you received.
  • A phone call.
  • Something in which you've failed.

At another time in your life, it wouldn't mean anything, but right now it's just enough to cause you to be downcast in your soul, and you can't get out of it without your Shepherd's help. Some of you are there, aren't you? You're downcast. Look at the Scripture again:

"Why are you cast down, O my soul? And why are you disquieted within me? Hope in God..."

Notice that David says, "Hope in God." How can you say this when you're downcast? It's because God will not leave you in that position. God will come for you, His sheep, and will lift you up. He will come and lift you out of that depression; he'll lift you to your feet and begin to spiritually bring back the circulation to your legs, and you'll be able to walk again like you used to walk. You'll begin to serve the Lord the way you used to serve Him.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:11-04-2018 01:20:12

04/01/18


"Why are you cast down, O my soul? And why are you disquieted within me? Hope in God..." (Psalm 42:11a, NKJV).

What's this all about? Being downcast, or cast down, is a shepherd's term to describe what happens when a sheep has fallen down on its back and it can't get up.

Sheep become downcast for many reasons, one is because they're carrying too much wool. This is a problem of the super-productive sheep.

The life purpose of a sheep is to produce wool, and that's something the shepherd wants from the sheep. The more wool the sheep produces, the more enjoyment the shepherd gets out of that sheep, and the more pleasure he has in that sheep. It pleases the shepherd that the sheep bear much wool. You know what I think is significant about this? The sheep that have the most wool are in the most danger of being unstable. A wrong step and they can be knocked over while another sheep without as much wool might be able to get right back on its feet.

We don't often talk about the problems of those who are faithfully serving the Lord. We tend to focus in on the sheep that are depressed, or the wayward and lost sheep. But, what about the super-productive sheep? They're producing so much for the Lord! The Lord's so pleased with that harvest, and yet they're in danger. Are you faithfully serving God? Then you're in danger. You could easily fall over and not get up.

What are we to do, how do we encourage others who are in danger? Hope in God! Your Shepherd loves you, and in His great mercy, He's coming to you–even today–to lift you up. He'll get you back up. Maybe He will take some of that wool off so it doesn't happen again. Don't worry! It'll grow back. To be sheared by the Good Shepherd isn't a tragedy. It brings Him pleasure and glory to harvest what's already been done. Some of us are walking around like we feel naked. Can you imagine how a sheep feels right after it's been shorn? One minute, you have all this wool, and the next minute you look like your old, scrawny self! I bet they feel like hiding, feeling naked.

Some of you are downcast because you've been serving the Lord so much.

Listen: He has His eye on you. You are special. He's not going to leave you down.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:15-04-2018 06:07:35

3/28/18    Really is amazing how much sheep make really good illustrations of us humans.


"And when he has found it, he will joyfully carry it home on his shoulders" (Luke 15:5).

In this parable, Jesus describes how He treats His sheep that have strayed off and are lost. This is so significant! Maybe you've wandered away from a godly life, maybe you've fallen into a trap and you don't know how to get back up. Jesus knows it may be a little while before you're back on your feet and able to walk for the Lord. You know what? He'll carry you!

"Oh! I don't want to be a burden to Him!"

Stop that, what are you thinking? He's your Shepherd! Carrying your burden is His job. It's what He lives for. You've been a burden to Him all your life! Think about it!

"I don't want to be a problem for the Lord!"

Now you're thinking that? You've been a problem all the while. He doesn't mind because He loves you. That's right, He loves you.

For all of you wandering sheep, I think it is significant that He doesn't make you march all the way home. He's not exhorting you, "you wandered five miles; you're going back five miles! MARCH! Knees up! Knees up!" Isn't the Lord good? He carries you all the way back to where you should be. Thank you, Lord; you're a God of great grace.

"Lord, You are so good! You are going to guide us; You are going to protect us. You are going to do what is best for us. You are in control! Oh Lord, that we might rest in You; that we might let you be the Shepherd, and that we wouldn't try to be our own shepherd. Thank You, Lord that you would care for us so much that You would lay down Your life for Your flock. Please lift up the downcast – those who've fallen Lord, and just can't get up on their own. That's what You're here for: to lift us up and carry us for a while, if need be. It's okay with You to get us back on our feet. Lord, I pray for those who have fallen over in pits of depression, that You would lift them up, and that You would encourage them, so that they would feel Your strong arms around them, lifting them up and helping them to walk again. Thank You, Jesus that you care so much. Set them on their feet again. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen."

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #16
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:16-04-2018 12:25:43

By the way, sheep mating season is well on the way on my son's farm.   Rams still out for another 3-4 weeks.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #17
  • From:USA

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:17-04-2018 04:05:38

How long is the mating season?


If we ever go back to AZ, and in an area zoned for it, I often have thought of getting a goat.   Llamas are also interesting, but guessing more work and definitely more money.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #18
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:17-04-2018 09:49:18

The cycle for ewes is somewhere between 2 and 3 weeks, I think that they leave rams out for about 2 months, perhaps longer.
I have as little to do with sheep as I can, so I'm very hazy on the subject.  Just taking references that my son puts in emails from time to time.  I have to go and help in lambing season.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
SandySandCastles Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #19
  • From:USA

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:17-04-2018 09:59:07

 We just had some wonderful lamb chops for dinner :)

Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #20
  • From:USA

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:20-04-2018 02:30:10

4/12/18: (Sheep really have little or no defense against predators from what I can see).


"Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for Thou art with me..." (Psalm 23:4, NASB).

Since Jesus is right here with us, right at our side, we don't have to fear the "valley of the shadow."

Notice that our verse doesn't say, "Even if I walk through," it says, "Even though I walk through." The Bible doesn't promise God's sheep a life without valleys.

A valley is basically a deep depression, a low place, a dark place.

The Bible doesn't promise that the sheep of God would have mountaintop experiences.

It's the shadowy valleys that hide the sheep-eating predators. Some of the canyons here in Arizona are like many of the dark valleys of the Judean wilderness. I'm sure a sheep would wonder, "what's on the other side of that boulder?"

You can only imagine how vulnerable a defenseless, fragile, juicy lamb would be to some coyote or wildcat lurking, lying in wait for you, licking its chops!

In the "valley of shadows," remember we're not alone, Jesus is with us, leading us through it! You'll get through it with Jesus.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #21
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:20-04-2018 02:47:01

No predators of that sort here, just the occasional feral dog that we usually shoot and predatory birds which (very rarely) take newborn lambs.  The hawks are protected species but they don't bother us much anyway - they are much more likely to be after baby rabbits and small birds.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #22
  • From:USA

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:21-04-2018 05:48:25

Yeah, frankly, cannot imagine sheep getting by on their own, apart from humans.

Unlike other prey.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #23
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:21-04-2018 07:33:08

Reply to Tomlapaz

Yeah, frankly, cannot imagine sheep getting by on their own, apart from humans.

Unlike other prey.


Sheep survived before the time when men started to farm them. It is just that when men farm them they thrive right up until the moment the knife is wielded. There are many more of them but they are still victims of predators.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #24
  • From:USA

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:21-04-2018 07:57:52

From what I see, they are more vulnerable than deer, horses, rabbits, even cows.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #25
  • From:USA

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:21-04-2018 11:17:35

In fact, got curious, and I see this is actually a common observation, as others ask about sheep.


Sheep and chickens - really no hope for either unless on a predator free island.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #26
  • From:USA

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:23-04-2018 07:25:15

Chickens actually seem to have an edge, in that they can fly off the ground to safety.

Anyway........

A lot of comparisons can be made between sheep and humans.   Psalm 23, written by a shepherd, illustrates this.

The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
He makes me to lie down in green pastures: He leads me beside the still waters.
He restores my soul: He leads me in the paths of righteousness for His name's sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for Thou art with me; Thy rod and Thy staff they comfort me.
Thou prepares a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: Thou anoints my head with oil; my cup runs over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #27
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:23-04-2018 07:42:07

Religions prefer their adherents to act like sheep. 
Keep original thought to a minimum, preferably eliminated completely.
Just obedience.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #28
  • From:USA

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:24-04-2018 01:47:33

Actually, we all are like sheep frankly. 


We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.


Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #29
  • From:New_zealand

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:24-04-2018 07:39:04

Sheep are obedient and go where they are directed.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #30
  • From:USA

Re:All we like sheep

Date Posted:24-04-2018 10:44:11

Sheep also stray.  As many shepherds have testified to.
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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