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mickeyrat
  • From:USA

Date Posted:27-10-2018 09:33:45Copy HTML

If Democrats were to see their candidates lose by razor thin margins--Beto O'Rourke in Texas, Andrew Gillum in Florida, Stacy Abrams in Georgia--and at the same time there is legitimate documentation that votes have been changed from Democrat to Republians, a la Texas, should Dems take to the streets?


It is necessary to push the system to the breaking point in order for the powers that be to recognize that they've lost this round--i.e., our efforts as a people to move to a more social democratically based society. That means being willing to risk something of our own comfort.


Given all that's happened, I think that if there is legitimate complaint that elections are being literally stolen by Republicans, not on a one-off instance such as Florida 2000, but now as a general pattern of behavior, then I think that you will see outrage that won't be contained to chat boards and peaceful marches.


The GOP should consider this. I think the GOP leaders have already, privately, conceded the loss of the House. But I think they consider the Governorships and Senate seats even more important, and will do what is necessary to win them. But they do so at their peril if their monkeying about with the electoral system becomes too obvious.

nateonthenet Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #1
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:27-10-2018 09:49:57Copy HTML

I WILL SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND TOM JEFFERSON. YES, WE SHOULD LITERALLY TAKE TO THE STREETS.
_QZ_ Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #2
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:27-10-2018 10:05:03Copy HTML



Given all that's happened, I think that if there is legitimate complaint that elections are being literally stolen by Republicans,




I have no confidence that the extremes on either side can distinguish legitimate complaints from fiction on any matter.   As there is no source that both sides agree is objective and factual in their reporting, both judge who they trust and what they believe by confirmation bias.  


So for me, the question becomes:  Do I think that if leftists BELIEVE the election(s) were stolen, some number of them will riot and/or engage in violence? 



My answer being:  Does a bear shit in the woods?  

dunjuz_not Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #3
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:27-10-2018 10:22:03Copy HTML

Local election people aren't fired up enough to miss work. I don't really think the road warrior types are willing to destroy neighborhoods over senate members.

skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #4
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:28-10-2018 12:09:57Copy HTML

No, but Trump did predict his GOP would be violent if hey lose. But he doesn't promote violence. No way.
skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #5
  • From:Argentina

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:28-10-2018 02:00:51Copy HTML

Moron alert.  Skwanderer is lying again:


"It's not a question of like or dislike, it's a question that they will overturn everything that we've done and they will do it quickly and violently. And violently. There is violence. When you look at Antifa - these are violent people," he said.


ANTIFA is not rightwing.


"Nobody walked out of there thinking that the Democrats were going to shoot us all," she quoted Jerry Falwell Jr as saying.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45340275


Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #6
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:28-10-2018 03:59:54Copy HTML

Troll Alert.  Skrumpie is lying again.

No surprise there.

Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #7
  • From:New_zealand

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:28-10-2018 04:16:51Copy HTML

No chance the US will adopt democratic political procedures any time soon?

_QZ_ Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #8
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:28-10-2018 04:53:15Copy HTML

Troll Alert.  Skrumpie is lying again.

No surprise there.



Skrump is correct, Skw is incorrect.  Here is CNN reporting the text of his remarks:


https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/08/28/donald-trump-warns-of-violence-midterms-sot-tsr-vpx.cnn


Trump is NOT saying the GOP will be violent if they lose, nor is it an encouragement to be violent.   It's fine to question his logic in regard to his conclusion, or opine whether you think it is scaremongering  nonsense or whatever else, but not to misrepresent what he actually said. 

_QZ_ Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #9
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:28-10-2018 05:06:33Copy HTML

No chance the US will adopt democratic political procedures any time soon?



Our current procedures are democratic.   We are a constitutional republic, in which our representation is elected.    That you may prefer a different democratic procedure is neither here nor there because the one we have is going to stand until we self implode for other reason. 

wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #10
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:28-10-2018 06:04:21Copy HTML

I WILL SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND TOM JEFFERSON. YES, WE SHOULD LITERALLY TAKE TO THE STREETS.


Great! see you there and you'll be the first to be pounded!

Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #11
  • From:New_zealand

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:28-10-2018 06:47:01Copy HTML

No chance the US will adopt democratic political procedures any time soon?



Our current procedures are democratic.   We are a constitutional republic, in which our representation is elected.    That you may prefer a different democratic procedure is neither here nor there because the one we have is going to stand until we self implode for other reason. 


Your electoral college system seems to serve up the minority candidate as the winner rather too often.  Gerrymandering by the GOP* delivers the same thing. Other aspects do much the same, too.


GOP* = greedy old pricks.

_QZ_ Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #12
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:29-10-2018 12:01:20Copy HTML




Your electoral college system seems to serve up the minority candidate as the winner rather too often. 


Rather too often? There have only been five in 58 elections where a candidate didn't win both, and each circumstance was different.  Only one time has a nominee won more than the plurality of the popular vote and lost.  And HC isn't the one, nor was Gore, the two in our lifetimes.  


The EC is working exactly as it was intended.  If we didn't have it, candidates would ignore the interests of fly over states.  If Hillary had put money there instead of California which was a lock, she'd likely be in the WH.  It was reported that she did so to pump up her popular vote because she feared she'd win the EC but NOT the popular vote.  Irony at its finest. 


Gerrymandering by the GOP* delivers the same thing. Other aspects do much the same, too.


Well here is the problem with that complaint. First, Dems* also have and do gerrymander wherever they can, and this practice goes way back.  But in order to gerrymander things red the GOP first had to win majorities and in some places by a significant margin to overcome previous blue lines. For the Dems to be in this position is because they FIRST had to lose popular support by a fairly significant amount at the state level.  Rather than respond and/or invest in rewinning the downticket, they prioritized winning the upticket.  Obama was their dream come true, the Dems crowed really hard after Obama won and ushered in majorities, predicting the GOP would never win another national election.  Well, jokes on them because Obama's real legacy is that sea of red and Trump in the WH. 


GOP* = greedy old pricks.


If the left prefers Dem* = decrepit elitist moneygrabbers, they need to do the hard work of winning back downticket majorities with less insanity and more concern for what normal working people want, beginning at the ground level.  They have a lot of work to do and violence or wearing vagina hats isn't going to get it done. 



Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #13
  • From:New_zealand

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:29-10-2018 12:57:51Copy HTML

QZ,


I agree that the Dems are guilty of gerrymanders too.  


Of the past 4 presidents, two (apparently I was wrong, I thought Bill Clinton was another one) were elected with minority votes.   Seems a new trend may be taking place. 



skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #14
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:30-10-2018 01:00:56Copy HTML

No, but Trump did predict his GOP would be violent if hey lose.  But he doesn't promote violence.  No way. _____________


Moron alert.  Skwanderer is lying again:


___________


Idiot alert...skrumpie is dumber than a brick....nothing new here.  QZ is usually smarter but not always.


Lying idiot imbeciles like skrumpie forget all the shit Trump did and said before yesterday....intentionally because they cant defend him.  Every bullshit remark and act of his is forgotten when he says or does the next stupid thing. He recently claimed the left would be violent if they won.  I get it.  A very dumb claim but that was his claim.  He also claimed violence if they lose from his own GOP......promoting violence.  Let me refresh your fucking wortheless memory. 


Donald Trump warned on Wednesday (Fall 2016) that his supporters would respond with “riots” if he fails to secure the nomination at July’s convention in Cleveland.

“I think you’d have riots,” Trump told CNN on Wednesday. “I think you’d have riots. I’m representing a tremendous many, many millions of people.”


 Fear violence fear violence fear.   That is his message.


He promotes violence regularly.


“Any guy that can do a body slam, he’s my kind of—he’s my guy,” said Trump. ""In the second grade I actually gave a teacher a black eye — I punched my music teacher because I didn't think he knew anything about music and I almost got expelled." "If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously, OK? Just knock the hell ... I promise you I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise," "Get him out," he said of a protester. "Try not to hurt him. If you do, I'll defend you in court. Don't worry about it."


And lo and behold....violence against minorities continues to rise in America.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/07/17/hate-crimes-up-america-10-largest-cities/776721002/

skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #15
  • From:Argentina

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:30-10-2018 01:10:57Copy HTML

You misquoted him, either due to stupidity or intent.


Own it, Pimples. 

_QZ_ Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #16
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:30-10-2018 03:52:02Copy HTML

Skw, relevant to the context which is this coming election, you did misquote him.   You are engaging is sophistry.  



Trump has made remarks that encourage or approve a violence, such as when he said he'd pay the legal fees of those who punched protesters.   He has without questioned turned up the heat in regard to stoking division, and ginned up anger can lead to SOME folks justifying violence.  But so has his opposition, including high profile Democrats.    It's wrong no matter who does it.   

skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #17
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:30-10-2018 04:01:46Copy HTML

I didnt quote anyone. I said Trump predicted violence if they lose. Period. He did. I know he predicted the left would be violent if they won. I also remember 2016. I suppose you don't. I didn't think you were a Trump supporter but his supporters sure do find ways to forget all the bullshit he says or does. He has promoted violence many times. On one occasion he said his followers will riot in the streets if the GOP loses, on another he said the left will be violent if the GOP loses.....so basically, the left will be violent if they win or lose......but he doesn't promote violence. Believe what you like...Ill stick with reality.
_QZ_ Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #18
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:30-10-2018 04:28:10Copy HTML

And lo and behold....violence against minorities continues to rise in America.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/07/17/hate-crimes-up-america-10-largest-cities/776721002/




So now correlation = causation? 



Here's a little factoid for you, Skw, one which I just learned recently.  Various states and localities have different laws in regard to transparency regarding crime reports, everything from full to partial to closed.  Have you ever heard folks joke that when hear of some bizarre crime, it usually happens in Florida?  This has bearing on why it seems that way, because they are one of the most transparent and thus over reported. 


As you may or may not recall, my education and previous job experience was in statistical analysis.  I've done a deep dive into these studies in the past, enough to know the devil is in the details, which is not an argument for or against whether "hate crimes" are up or not in the 10 largest cities.  But what I know is that the causation for crime rates can't be traced to any one factor, and so when anyone implies it is based on media reports implying it is, that's what confirmation bias looks like. 

_QZ_ Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #19
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:30-10-2018 05:22:21Copy HTML

I didnt quote anyone. 


Fair enough.


I said Trump predicted violence if they lose.  Period.  


Well, you said a little more than that actually.    Allow me to quote you, Skw: 


No, but Trump did predict his GOP would be violent if hey lose.  But he doesn't promote violence.  No way.



He did. I know he predicted the left would be violent if they won.  


That it doesn't appear as if you did comes from what you actually said, in the context you said it.  That's on you, Skw...it isn't up to us to read your mind going back to 2016 to discern you didn't mean the most current statement regarding this election.   You realize it won't kill you to just say you made a mistake or that you were unclear, right? 


Regardless, you have actual examples of him promoting it to pick from, so the fact you didn't use one of them adds support to what I inferred.  Personally I don't think either instance of prediction supports the charge of "promoting violence".  


I also remember 2016.  I suppose you don't. I didn't think you were a Trump supporter but his supporters sure do find ways to forget all the bullshit he says or does. He has promoted violence many times. On one occasion he said his followers will riot in the streets if the GOP loses, on another he said the left will be violent if the GOP loses.....so basically, the left will be violent if they win or lose......but he doesn't promote violence. Believe what you like...Ill stick with reality.


I remain in the Never Trump category, and I just gave an example of his support of violence, speaking of reality.     Another bit of reality you may wish to consider is there are multiple examples currently of the left engaging in violence, as well as prominent leftwing voices excusing it, as well as promoting it.   You may want to consider why folks...myself included...believe there are SOME on the left who are going to be violent win or lose.  I also believe there are SOME on the right who will be as well.  It seems a good bet, given that is already the case and a divided government in gridlock OR colluding on the worst excesses is hardly going to produce "progress" that will appease those given over to do it in the first place.  


skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #20
  • From:Argentina

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:31-10-2018 01:47:40Copy HTML

OMG.  You are so small, Skwanderer, that you can't even own the FACT that the comment you made about Trump calling for GOP violence was presented, by you,  as a contemporaneous example to his recent comments about violence arising from the left.


You are a fool.  A typical socialists who simply will NOT accept responsibility when your lies are presented.

DC3Cowboy Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #21
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:31-10-2018 02:38:04Copy HTML

Isn't the premise of this thread that Democrat losses in this election would have to be due to Republican cheating and the answer is violence? 

If so, where is the evidence, or is this more of the new rule that evidence is unnecessary if the accusation is severe enough? 

dunjuz_not Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #22
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:07-11-2018 10:45:42Copy HTML

I guess they're all waiting for hillary to say 'when'.

We're all prisoners of conscious.~
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #23
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:07-11-2018 11:03:34Copy HTML

I WILL SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND TOM JEFFERSON. YES, WE SHOULD LITERALLY TAKE TO THE STREETS.


Glad to meet you there and confront you.

wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #24
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:07-11-2018 11:04:43Copy HTML

No chance the US will adopt democratic political procedures any time soon?


" I continue to show I , Dobbo, am an idiot"-DOBBO

skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #25
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:07-11-2018 11:09:16Copy HTML

Glad to meet you there and confront you. ------- lololololololol Alleged christian and mentally ill homophobic internet troll threatens to come out from behind his IBM to be a man. lololololol You provide some good laughs Wale. I was wrong about you. You have some redeeming value after all.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #26
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:07-11-2018 11:16:42Copy HTML

Glad to meet you there and confront you.

lololololololol    Alleged christian and mentally ill homophobic internet troll threatens to come out from behind his IBM to be a man.   lololololol You provide some good laughs Wale.  I was wrong about you.  You have some redeeming value after all.


YOU must provide laughs evertime you walk into a room SKDUMMY

oldarmybear Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #27
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:07-11-2018 11:26:03Copy HTML

 If there is blood in the streets post election I promise you it will be mostly leftist blood. The population as a whole has grpwn weary of the violence propogated by the left and we will fight back. We will meet violence with violence

skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #28
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:08-11-2018 12:12:36Copy HTML

YOU must provide laughs evertime you walk into a room SKDUMMY ___ I don't know about evertime (whatever that is), but every time for certain. I have a great sense of humor and make people laugh all the time. I'm the life of every party. Thanks for noticing little homophobic troll man.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #29
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:08-11-2018 12:19:06Copy HTML

If there is blood in the streets post election I promise you it will be mostly leftist blood. The population as a whole has grpwn weary of the violence propogated by the left and we will fight back. We will meet violence with violence ____ The violence that is escalating in this country is white against minority. Right wing violence is the violence on the rise. Inspired hate crimes against minorities by the cheeto Mussolini. Chasing Ted Cruz out of restaurant is hardly violence. http://time.com/5438443/tree-of-life-attack/ The Reasons Why Right-Wing Terror Is Rising in America https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/07/17/hate-crimes-up-america-10-largest-cities/776721002/ Hate crimes against minorities up across America under Trump https://www.naacp.org/latest/naacp-sees-continued-rise-hate-crimes-legacy-trumps-racism/ https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41975573 Hate crimes f=rise for second straight year. Hate crimes rise in California for third straight year, state report says http://fsa.aimoo.com/topic/list/Blood_in_the_streets_post_election_-597974-2223-1 Its assholes like OAB who probably think hate crimes against minorities are justified. Part of his promise to ensure leftists blood in the street. Trump said to just punch those leftists protestors in the face, right?
dunjuz_not Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #30
  • From:USA

Re:Blood in the streets post-election?

Date Posted:08-11-2018 12:32:50Copy HTML

It doesn't take much to provoke an idiot to violence. That's why we see what we do. On the whole tho, the idiots on the left tend to be younger and thus, more prone to making stupid mistakes. Cherry picked list aside.

We're all prisoners of conscious.~
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