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Yobbo
  • From:New_zealand

Date Posted:09-10-2016 03:03:16Copy HTML

Since he ignored my request on the Easter page....
....perhaps Tom
ás can explain why all these contradictions occur in the gospels and NT.
Just how can something be gospel true when it conflicts with another gospel truth?


Father Dan's Easter Quiz:

1. Who first came to the tomb on Sunday morning?
a. one woman (John 20:1)
b. two women (Matt. 28:1)
c. three women (Mark 16:1)
d. more than three women (Luke 23:55-56; 24:1,10)

2. She (they) came
a. while it was still dark (Matt. 28:1; John 20:1)
b. after the sun had risen (Mark 16:2)

3. The woman (women) came to the tomb
a. to anoint the body of Jesus with spices (Mark 16:1-2; Luke 24:1)
b. just to look at it (Matt. 28:1; John 20:1)

4. The women had obtained the spices
a. on Friday before sunset (Luke 23:54-56; 24:1)
a. after sunset on Saturday (Mark 16:1)

5. The first visitor(s) was/were greeted by
a. an angel (Matt. 28:2-5)
b. a young man (Mark 16:5)
c. two men (Luke 24:4)
d. no one (John 20:1-2)

6. The greeter(s)
a. was sitting on the stone outside the tomb (Matt 28:2)
b. was sitting inside the tomb (Mark 16:5)
c. were standing inside the tomb (Luke 24:3-4)

7. After finding the tomb empty, the woman/women
a. ran to tell the disciples (Matt. 28:7-8; Mark 16:10; Luke 24:9; John 20:2)
b. ran away and said nothing to anyone (Mark 16:8)

8. The risen Jesus first appeared to
a. Mary Magdalene alone (John 20:14; Mark 16:9)
b. Cleopas and another disciple (Luke 24:13,15,18)
c. Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (Matt. 28:1,9)
d. Cephas (Peter) alone (1 Cor. 15:4-5; Luke 24:34)

9. Jesus first appeared
a. somewhere between the tomb and Jerusalem (Matt. 28:8-9)
b. Just outside the tomb (John 20:11-14)
c. in Galilee - some 80 miles (130 Km) north of Jerusalem (Mark 16:6-7)
d. on the road to Emmaus - Miles (11 Km) west of Jerusalem (Luke 24:13-15)
e. we are not told where (Mark 16:9; 1 Cor. 15:4-5)

10. The disciples were to see Jesus first
a. in Galilee (Mark 16:7; Matt. 28:7,10,16)
b. in Jerusalem (Mark 16:14; Luke 24:33,36; John 20:19; Acts 1:4)

11. the disciples were told that they would meet the risen Jesus in Galilee
a. by the women, who had been told by an angel of the Lord, then by Jesus himself after the resurrection (Matt. 28:7-10; Mark 16:7)
b. by Jesus himself, before the crucifiction (Mark 26:32)

12. The risen Jesus
a. wanted to be touched (John 20:27)
b. did not want to be touched (John 20:17)
c. did not mind being touched (Matt. 28:9-10)

13. Jesus ascended to Heaven
a. the same day that he was resurrected (Mark 16:9,19; Luke 24:13,28-36,50-51)
b. forty days after the resurrection (Acts 1:3,9)
c. we are not told that he ascended to Heaven at all (Matt. 28:10, 16-20; John 21:25; the original Gospel of Mark ends at 16:8)

14. The disciples received the Holy Spirit
a. 50 days after the resurrection (Acts 1:3,9)
b. in the evening of the same day as the resurrection (John 20:19-22)

15. The risen Jesus
a. was recognized by those who saw him (Matt. 28:9; Mark 16:9-10)
b. was not always recognizable (Mark 16:12; Luke 24:15-16,31,36-37; John 20:14-15)

16. The risen Jesus
a. was physical (Matt. 28:9; Luke 24:41-43; John 20:27)
b. was not physical (Mark 16:9,12,14; Luke 24:15-16,31,36-37; John 20:19,26; 1 Cor. 15:5-8)

17. The risen Jesus was seen by the disciples
a. presumably only once (Matt. 28:16-17)
b. first by two of them, later by all eleven (Mark 16:12-14; Luke 24:13-15,33,36-51)
c. three times (John 20:19,26; 21:1,14)
d. many times (Acts 1:3)

18. When Jesus appeared to the disciples
a. there were eleven of them (Matt. 28:16-17; Luke 24:33,36)
b. twelve of them (1 Cor. 15:5)


Hey, when has religion ever let facts or figures get in the way of a good quote. If this quiz has in any way shaken your faith, simply open the Bible and pull out sentences at random that make you feel good or (completely out of context) reaffirm any belief you want to hold.

Modern-day Easter is derived from two ancient traditions: one Judeo-Christian and the other Pagan. Both Christians and Pagans have celebrated death and resurrection themes following the Spring Equinox for millennia. Most religious historians believe that many elements of the Christian observance of Easter were derived from earlier Pagan celebrations.

The equinox occurs each year on March 20, 21 or 22. Both Neopagans and Christians continue to celebration religious rituals in the present day. Wiccans and other Neopagans usually hold their celebrations on the day or eve of the equinox. Western Christians wait until the Sunday on or after the next full moon. The Eastern Orthodox churches follow the Julian Calendar, so that their celebration is generally many weeks after that of the Western churches.

The name "Easter" originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God. The Venerable Bede, (672-735 CE.) a Christian scholar, first asserted in his book De Ratione Temporum that Easter was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). She was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similar "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility [were] known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos." 1 Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring: "eastre." Similar Goddesses were known by other names in ancient cultures around the Mediterranean, and were celebrated in the springtime. Some were:

Aphrodite from Cyprus
Astarte, from Phoenicia
Demeter, from Mycenae
Hathor from Egypt
Ishtar from Assyria
Kali, from India
Ostara, a Norse Goddess of fertility. Read More.

But WAIT! Various early church writers, such as Irenaeus (Bishop of Lyons; circa 120 to ?) Justin Martyr (Christian apologist; 100 to 165), Tertullian (Christian theologian; circa 160 to 220 +) concluded that the Pagan/Christian similarities were a Satanic attempt at "diabolical mimicry." Satan was said to have use "plagiarism by anticipation." That is, the Devil replicated the life experiences of Jesus, centuries before his birth. The reason was to confuse the public into thinking that Jesus was merely a copy of previous godmen.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #211
  • From:USA

Re:Contradictions in the gospels

Date Posted:27-10-2018 03:27:40Copy HTML

I don't know why I should respond to Wale's unpleasant posts but I feel he ought to know that I am a member of the New Zealand National party. The leftish party here is called Labour while we are the rightish one, so calling me left wing is plumb wrong.


Your positions and responses identify you as leftist.


No, my position is well balanced.  I am prepared to listen to all opinions, reflect upon them and come to an opinion of my own.  To start from a bigotted viewpoint and not consider other perspectives is simply intolerant dogmatism. That is how you Wale, conduct your replies - avoiding debate and contemplation.


when someone espouses a point of view numerous times and identifies themselves by those views, to point them out is NOT being bigottd, nor is contradcition to YOUR views and perceptions bigotry.

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  • From:USA

Re:Contradictions in the gospels

Date Posted:27-10-2018 03:29:12Copy HTML

If you are a "leftist", pointing out Wale's obvious homosexual obsession or his childish trolling only means you are a lying looney...forget the fact that his homosexual obsession troll posts are written down on hundreds of pages across FSA for everyone to see....all the while calling anyone who points this out to be mentally ill. He has to deny that conservatives like Anj called him creepy because that doesn't fit his lame excuses for his mental illness.


You ARE mentally ill because you repeat that which isn't true and yet you continue in your childish and juvenile ways SKDUMMY!!

wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #213
  • From:USA

Re:Contradictions in the gospels

Date Posted:27-10-2018 03:30:32Copy HTML

Haven't had interaction with windies and Anj.

I never asked you if you had any interaction.  They pointed out how disturbed you are with your homoerotic fantasies....that is all.  There are likely others because you are one sick troll.


Idiot, meaning i don't know their views so i can't comment on them you moron!

skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #214
  • From:USA

Re:Contradictions in the gospels

Date Posted:27-10-2018 01:07:30Copy HTML

I never asked you if you had any interaction. Others pointed out how disturbed you are with your homoerotic fantasies....that is all. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Idiot, meaning i don't know their views so i can't comment on them you moron! ________ Yes, you are indeed an idiot Wale. That is the first thing I agree with you about since your little homoerotic obsessed trolling self arrived here at FSA. Others views of you are well known to all of us Wale. They write them down for us to read you fucking idiot. This is what ALL of your boardmates think of you Wale...conservatives AND liberals. "Wales is, well, simply put, an ignorant nincompoop fool" "You are either a stupid liar, or an idiot.............either way, the things you say are simply not true. You are living in some sort of fantasy land that only truly exists in your jumbled, paranoid fantasies." "In your present mental state, really, you should not be allowed to participate in any government election processes" "you really are not competent to discuss issues and debate arguments." "This "wale" is skin-crawly creepy, isn't he? Good grief." "Fuck off, fuck wad. You haven't said anything that mattered since you got here." "If you can't get a name right why would anyone expect you to get a fact right, fuckface?" "I guess I got yours (name) right too then, fuck face. I see you got your IQ right as well." "This is probably the ONLY place wale can emit his batshit drivel without getting his teeth knocked down his throat. And yes it's very revealing." "oh wales....no offense but you are a stupid asshole" " this character is one pervy troll" That was just a smidgeon of what everyone in here thinks of you. The quotes come from longstanding conservative and liberal members alike. None of those quotes are mine. If you want my view, I know you to be a fucking idiot who runs away from debate faster than Pavarotti ate donuts. I know you to be a homophobic obsessed fool who cant stop calling others "jizz" or "pumped" and cant stop fantasizing about men "servicing" each other or "anally inserting" things. You profess to be a christian in spite of your sick behavior. If I was a betting man, Id say Wale was tormented as a kid by all the other kids.....Probably pretty ruthlessly. Sorry about that Wale.
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  • From:USA

Re:Contradictions in the gospels

Date Posted:27-10-2018 01:15:38Copy HTML

I never asked you if you had any interaction. Others pointed out how disturbed you are with your homoerotic fantasies....that is all.   -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Idiot, meaning i don't know their views so i can't comment on them you moron! ________ Yes, you are indeed an idiot Wale.  That is the first thing I agree with you about since your little homoerotic obsessed trolling self arrived here at FSA.   Others views of you are well known to all of us Wale.  They write them down for us to read you fucking idiot.   This is what ALL of your boardmates think of you Wale...conservatives AND liberals. "Wales is, well, simply put, an ignorant nincompoop fool" "You are either a stupid liar, or an idiot.............either way, the things you say are simply not true. You are living in some sort of fantasy land that only truly exists in your jumbled, paranoid fantasies." "In your present mental state, really, you should not be allowed to participate in any government election processes" "you really are not competent to discuss issues and debate arguments." "This "wale" is skin-crawly creepy, isn't he?  Good grief." "Fuck off, fuck wad. You haven't said anything that mattered since you got here." "If you can't get a name right why would anyone expect you to get a fact right, fuckface?" "I guess I got yours (name) right too then, fuck face. I see you got your IQ right as well." "This is probably the ONLY place wale can emit his batshit drivel without getting his teeth knocked down his throat.  And yes it's very revealing." "oh wales....no offense but you are a stupid asshole" " this character is one pervy troll" That was just a smidgeon of what everyone in here thinks of you.  The quotes come from longstanding conservative and liberal members alike.  None of those quotes are mine.   If you want my view, I know you to be a fucking idiot who runs away from debate faster than Pavarotti ate donuts.  I know you to be a homophobic obsessed fool who cant stop calling others "jizz" or "pumped" and cant stop fantasizing about men "servicing" each other or "anally inserting" things. You profess to be a christian in spite of your sick behavior.   If I was a betting man, Id say Wale was tormented as a kid by all the other kids.....Probably pretty ruthlessly. Sorry about that Wale.


    "Fuck you, you are an imbecile because you don't accept what I, the GREAT and POWERFUL SKDUMMY, say, and with ALL the conditions I set......BUT let's now have a 'serious' and thought provoking debate......forget the stupid shit I said earlier"-SKDUMMY

    skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #216
    • From:USA

    Re:Contradictions in the gospels

    Date Posted:27-10-2018 03:26:07Copy HTML

    "Fuck you, you are an imbecile because you don't accept what I, the GREAT and POWERFUL SKDUMMY, say ______ Dear brain dead fuck face: None of what was in the post above was written my me. While compared to you, I am clearly all powerful and god-like, I did not say any of what was written in that post. Do you ever get anything correct? Rhetorical question. Once again...all of the below was written by other people.....who by the way....are also all powerful and god-like compared to you. …. "Wales is, well, simply put, an ignorant nincompoop fool" "You are either a stupid liar, or an idiot.............either way, the things you say are simply not true. You are living in some sort of fantasy land that only truly exists in your jumbled, paranoid fantasies." "In your present mental state, really, you should not be allowed to participate in any government election processes" "you really are not competent to discuss issues and debate arguments." "This "wale" is skin-crawly creepy, isn't he? Good grief." "Fuck off, fuck wad. You haven't said anything that mattered since you got here." "If you can't get a name right why would anyone expect you to get a fact right, fuckface?" "I guess I got yours (name) right too then, fuck face. I see you got your IQ right as well." "This is probably the ONLY place wale can emit his batshit drivel without getting his teeth knocked down his throat. And yes it's very revealing." "oh wales....no offense but you are a stupid asshole" " this character is one pervy troll"
    wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #217
    • From:USA

    Re:Contradictions in the gospels

    Date Posted:27-10-2018 04:29:54Copy HTML

    "Fuck you, you are an imbecile because you don't accept what I, the GREAT and POWERFUL SKDUMMY, say ______ Dear brain dead fuck face:  None of what was in the post above was written my me.  While compared to you, I am clearly all powerful and god-like, I did not say any of what was written in that post.  Do you ever get anything correct?  Rhetorical question. Once again...all of the below was written by other people.....who by the way....are also all powerful and god-like compared to you. …. "Wales is, well, simply put, an ignorant nincompoop fool" "You are either a stupid liar, or an idiot.............either way, the things you say are simply not true. You are living in some sort of fantasy land that only truly exists in your jumbled, paranoid fantasies." "In your present mental state, really, you should not be allowed to participate in any government election processes" "you really are not competent to discuss issues and debate arguments." "This "wale" is skin-crawly creepy, isn't he?  Good grief." "Fuck off, fuck wad. You haven't said anything that mattered since you got here." "If you can't get a name right why would anyone expect you to get a fact right, fuckface?" "I guess I got yours (name) right too then, fuck face. I see you got your IQ right as well." "This is probably the ONLY place wale can emit his batshit drivel without getting his teeth knocked down his throat.  And yes it's very revealing." "oh wales....no offense but you are a stupid asshole" " this character is one pervy troll"


    The quote captures, quite well , your attude with many

    "Fuck you, you are an imbecile because you don't accept what I, the GREAT and POWERFUL SKDUMMY, say, and with ALL the conditions I set......BUT let's now have a 'serious' and thought provoking debate......forget the stupid shit I said earlier"-SKDUMMY

    Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #218
    • From:USA

    Re:Contradictions in the gospels

    Date Posted:27-10-2018 05:32:12Copy HTML

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    skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #219
    • From:USA

    Re:Contradictions in the gospels

    Date Posted:28-10-2018 12:29:34Copy HTML

    Look how much everyone in here, conservatives and liberals alike, absolutely despise the little troll Wale. _____ "Wales is, well, simply put, an ignorant nincompoop fool" "You are either a stupid liar, or an idiot.............either way, the things you say are simply not true. You are living in some sort of fantasy land that only truly exists in your jumbled, paranoid fantasies." "In your present mental state, really, you should not be allowed to participate in any government election processes" "you really are not competent to discuss issues and debate arguments." "This "wale" is skin-crawly creepy, isn't he? Good grief." "Fuck off, fuck wad. You haven't said anything that mattered since you got here." "If you can't get a name right why would anyone expect you to get a fact right, fuckface?" "I guess I got yours (name) right too then, fuck face. I see you got your IQ right as well." "This is probably the ONLY place wale can emit his batshit drivel without getting his teeth knocked down his throat. And yes it's very revealing." "oh wales....no offense but you are a stupid asshole" " this character is one pervy troll"
    wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #220
    • From:USA

    Re:Contradictions in the gospels

    Date Posted:28-10-2018 03:24:44Copy HTML

    Look how much everyone in here, conservatives and liberals alike, absolutely despise the little troll Wale.  _____ "Wales is, well, simply put, an ignorant nincompoop fool" "You are either a stupid liar, or an idiot.............either way, the things you say are simply not true. You are living in some sort of fantasy land that only truly exists in your jumbled, paranoid fantasies." "In your present mental state, really, you should not be allowed to participate in any government election processes" "you really are not competent to discuss issues and debate arguments." "This "wale" is skin-crawly creepy, isn't he?  Good grief." "Fuck off, fuck wad. You haven't said anything that mattered since you got here." "If you can't get a name right why would anyone expect you to get a fact right, fuckface?" "I guess I got yours (name) right too then, fuck face. I see you got your IQ right as well." "This is probably the ONLY place wale can emit his batshit drivel without getting his teeth knocked down his throat.  And yes it's very revealing." "oh wales....no offense but you are a stupid asshole" " this character is one pervy troll"


    NONSENSE. Attribute the quotes to those who said them, since you've taken the effort to gather them SKDUMMY!

    wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #221
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    Re:Contradictions in the gospels

    Date Posted:28-10-2018 06:00:10Copy HTML

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    " Stop picking on my blowbuddy"-BOGUSPUMPED

    wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #222
    • From:USA

    Re:Contradictions in the gospels

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    " Accept this nonsense as a response from my oxygen deprived brain" - BOGUSPUMPED

    Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #223
    • From:USA

    Re:Contradictions in the gospels

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    skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #224
    • From:USA

    Re:Contradictions in the gospels

    Date Posted:02-11-2018 04:59:08Copy HTML

    NONSENSE. Attribute the quotes to those who said them, since you've taken the effort to gather them SKDUMMY! ____ Anj (conservative) Dun (Conservative) Jackie (liberal) Easy (liberal) Even skrumpie the conservative wacko has chimed in and recommended stop feeding your trolling self. So we all think you are one fucked up troll.....and a homophobe to boot. Live with it or deal with it.
    wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #225
    • From:USA

    Re:Contradictions in the gospels

    Date Posted:03-11-2018 03:44:51Copy HTML

    NONSENSE. Attribute the quotes to those who said them, since you've taken the effort to gather them SKDUMMY!

    Anj (conservative) Dun (Conservative) Jackie (liberal) Easy (liberal) Even skrumpie the conservative wacko has chimed in and recommended stop feeding your trolling self. So we all think you are one fucked up troll.....and a homophobe to boot. Live with it or deal with it.


    Once again you've read their remarks INCORRECTLY SKDUMMY, except for Jackie the loon and SLEAZYRIDER, the lefty hypocrite!

    Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #226
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