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cathymv
  • From:USA

Date Posted:02-10-2018 08:23:02Copy HTML



when you have college students criticizing due process.... we are all in danger:  


TONI AIRAKSINEN: Students Demand Professor Fired After He Champions Due Process, Says ‘Accusers Sometimes Lie.’ “It was never my intention to hurt anyone.”

If liberty and constitutional protections hurt, you’re doing America wrong.


Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment.....except for the election of Donald Trump.
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  • From:USA

Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:03-10-2018 04:14:13Copy HTML

Effin snowflakes. I'm willing to bet none of them have a clue when it comes to the Constitution. 

But then most grown up liberals don't either. 

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  • From:USA

Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:03-10-2018 01:55:55Copy HTML

yes these kids are wrong. a couple hundred out of thousands in that school. I'm not losing sleep
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  • From:USA

Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:04-10-2018 03:05:46Copy HTML

You should be.


It's happening in universities across the country and we are seeing the consequences in the kavanaugh circus.

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Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:04-10-2018 05:32:15Copy HTML

yes, we should all be afraid.  not about a couple hundred kids though

In endlessly dragging debates over the nedia, the stupid opinion is treated with the same respect as the intelligent one, the misinformed may talk as long as the informed, and propaganda rides along with education, truth with falsehood. Herbert Marcuse
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  • From:Argentina

Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:04-10-2018 05:37:21Copy HTML

Nate, while you are relaxing on the river known as denial, maybe you could guesstimate for your rapt audience how many institutions of higher learning are liberal, and explain to us why liberal-leaning institution A would not teach pretty much the same liberal point of view as liberal-leaning institutions B-Z.

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  • From:USA

Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:04-10-2018 11:08:18Copy HTML

 

Sorry, due process  has nothing to do with this case. Brett Kavanaugh is not on trial, he is seeking confirmation. NOBODY is required to hire someone, especially in this case, whose judgement they doubt. It is more than sufficient in Kavanaugh’s case to say that irrespective of the truth of the charge against him, his very reaction, strident, angry and anything but measured, indicates that he does not possess the right temperament to sit on the court.

I don’t know why you people think this due process crap has ANY relevance in this issue, but you’d be, as always, wrong.

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Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:05-10-2018 01:05:24Copy HTML

Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #8
  • From:USA

Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:05-10-2018 10:06:08Copy HTML

yes, we should all be afraid.  not about a couple hundred kids though



Exactly, Nate.

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Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:05-10-2018 06:06:46Copy HTML

Two words:  Merrick Garland. These sob's refused for ten months to grant a hearing to BHO's legitimate and traditionally owed to him, nominee.  Supremely qualified, pun intended.  (talking to you, Yurtle)   Flat out blatantly refused,  to run out the clock.   And now they're whining about due process?  Who knew geriatric turtles had 15 lb. balls.

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Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:05-10-2018 06:22:27Copy HTML

Rapists-proven-innocent are majority (57%) of prisoners released by Innocence Project

153 of the 268  exonerations in the Innocence Project were for rape. This is 57.1 % rape convictions, we found in a search of the innocence project for "Rape".  A large number was due to eyewitness misidentification. People freed by DNA testing are freed because the innocence has been proven.

This confirms the false rape society suspicion,  that people can easily be locked up for rape accusations, and that due process is violated especially in rape cases. 

 There have been 268 post-conviction DNA exonerations in United States history. These stories are becoming more familiar as more innocent people gain their freedom through postconviction testing. They are not proof, however, that our system is righting itself. # Seventeen people had been sentenced to death before DNA proved their innocence and led to their release.

  • Seventeen people had been sentenced to death before DNA proved their innocence and led to their release.
  • The average sentence served by DNA exonerees has been 13 years.
  • About 70 percent of those exonerated by DNA testing are members of minority groups.
  • In almost 40 percent of DNA exoneration cases, the actual perpetrator has been identified by DNA testing.
  • Exonerations have been won in 34 states and Washington, D.C.

    Source: innocenceproject.org/know/

The innocence Project is a national litigation and public policy organization dedicated to exonerating wrongfully convicted individuals trough DNA testing and reforming the criminal justice system to prevent future injustice. innocenceproject.org/


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  • From:USA

Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:05-10-2018 06:31:04Copy HTML

26 Years Later, Justice for Men Imprisoned for a Bogus Rape

The woman, dirty, disheveled and in tears, ran over to a patrol car parked along a Harlem street in the early morning of Jan. 18, 1991. She told police officers she had been kidnapped at knife point near her home in Queens and raped by three black men, whom she identified.

Before the end of the month, the police arrested two of the men she had named — Gregory Counts, then 19, and VanDyke Perry, then 21. They were charged with rape, sodomy, kidnapping and criminal possession of a weapon, according to court records. The third man was never caught.

Investigators had no physical evidence. Semen recovered from the woman did not match the two accused men. The prosecution’s case relied heavily on her testimony, which was inconsistent. The defense argued the woman, a recovering crack addict, fabricated the story to protect her boyfriend, who had shot Mr. Perry two months earlier and was wanted by the police, court records show.

Yet, in 1992, a jury convicted Mr. Counts and Mr. Perry on all counts except for the weapons charges. Mr. Perry ended up serving 11 years in prison, Mr. Counts 26.


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  • From:USA

Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:05-10-2018 06:32:55Copy HTML

Steven Avery, at the age of 22, was wrongfully convicted of rape. He spent almost twenty years in prison before being exonerated through DNA testing.

In April of 2002, attorneys for the Wisconsin Innocence Project obtained a court order for DNA testing of 13 hairs recovered from Beernsten at the time of the crime. The state crime laboratory reported that, using the FBI DNA database, it had linked a hair to Gregory Allen, a convicted felon who bore a striking resemblance to Avery.  Allen was then serving a 60-year prison term for a sexual assault in Green Bay that occurred after the attack on Beernsten.

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Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:06-10-2018 12:11:05Copy HTML

Two words:  Merrick Garland. These sob's refused for ten months to grant a hearing to BHO's legitimate and traditionally owed to him, nominee.  Supremely qualified, pun intended.  (talking to you, Yurtle)   Flat out blatantly refused,  to run out the clock.   And now they're whining about due process?  Who knew geriatric turtles had 15 lb. balls.


Merrick Garland was denied A process (a Senate hearing/vote), not DUE process.  He was never subjected to a public witch trial where he had no way to prove he wasn't a witch.  Due process is both a CONSTRUCT in the legal system but it is a CONCEPT that goes back 4000 years.  


Furthermore, there is big difference between politicians choosing to not do the right thing, and politicians choosing to do the wrong thing.


I said at the time what happened to Garland was not right.  I said it again when Gorsuch was appointed.  It wasn't right.  But this witch hunt was wrong.  REALLY wrong. 


To  those who say due process has no place in a "job interview", I would ask you if you would be saying the same thing if this were you...or if it was your son, your husband, your dad who you had no doubt was innocent if their life was left in ruin after? Would you be saying the same thing if the shoe were on the other foot and this was a Dem nom cut from the cloth of Ginsburg? 


Pardon me if I don't believe you would. 


Regardless, my strongest argument for why due process DOES apply here is because Dr. Ford has been determined to be a witch by roughly half the country too.   She was betrayed, forced to tell her story in a public, subjected all vile blowback like death threats and so on, and her life is ruined too.  I would like to ask you if you are willing to say to her face there is no due process necessary because what happened to her was just someone's "job interview". 


As for these kids, the college chose to address their demands by meeting with the facilty to discuss "sensitivity".  It seems as the priority on that campus is for professors to not trigger the ignorati with a FACT.   It is easy to dismiss the kids because then you don't have to look at why they have the emotional and intellectual depth of toddlers. 

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  • From:USA

Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:06-10-2018 01:03:23Copy HTML

Sorry, due process  has nothing to do with this case. Brett Kavanaugh is not on trial, he is seeking confirmation.

I agree.


NOBODY is required to hire someone, especially in this case, whose judgement they doubt.


I agree again. However that is exactly what was happenings here until the Democrats started their smear campaign. Because this would have never seen the light of a day in a real court room for lack of ANY evidence. She shouldn't have even been allowed to testify without her story at least being investigated for its truthfulness first. It wasn't investigated because she didn't want to testify until DiFi leaked her letter at the last minute. My guess is she didn't want to testify because she knew there was NOTHING to back her story. She was forced into it by the left. And since this is not a court of law she didn't need a bunch of pro bono liberals lawyers coaching her on what to say either?


It is more than sufficient in Kavanaugh’s case to say that irrespective of the truth of the charge against him, his very reaction, strident, angry and anything but measured, indicates that he does not possess the right temperament to sit on the court.


Who the phuck are you or anyone else to say how a person who is falsely accused of attempted rape by PPH wearing liberal who can remember anything should act. If he didn't vehemently defend himself you same morons would be saying he didn't because he was guilty.  So its a no win situation. BK did exactly what I would expect for ANY man with a set of nads would do if falsely accused of rape. Only a neutered male like you would sit back and let this just happen to them.


I get so sick of the formatting problems in this forum now.




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Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:06-10-2018 02:16:46Copy HTML

QZ:  Kavanaugh had his due process, and he blew it.  Proved himself unfit for this position by temperament, behavior, and blatant partisanship.   And, outright lied under oath, and not just in that one hearing.


That R's voted for him is moot.  They never intended not to, no matter what.  There's going to be hell to pay.

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Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:06-10-2018 03:25:59Copy HTML

There's going to be hell to pay.


Yeah it gives you something else to sulk about.

Haven't heard much whining about Russian collusion lately.

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Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:06-10-2018 04:54:02Copy HTML

QZ:  Kavanaugh had his due process,


No one has due process in a witch trial. 


and he blew it.  Proved himself unfit for this position by temperament, behavior, and blatant partisanship.   And, outright lied under oath, and not just in that one hearing.


So you tied rocks to a witch so he'd drown, but he managed to survive so...voila!...proves he is witch.  


That R's voted for him is moot.  They never intended not to, no matter what. 


I'm very confident in a #metoo climate that neither the GOP nor the Dems would confirm their own nominee if there was sufficient evidence of rape.  For starters, they wouldn't have to because a nominee would withdraw. 


There's going to be hell to pay.


Of course.  The left is addicted to perpetual outrage and I've no doubt it will only get worse.  





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  • From:USA

Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:06-10-2018 10:11:21Copy HTML

 

Sorry, due process  has nothing to do with this case. Brett Kavanaugh is not on trial, he is seeking confirmation. NOBODY is required to hire someone, especially in this case, whose judgement they doubt. It is more than sufficient in Kavanaugh’s case to say that irrespective of the truth of the charge against him, his very reaction, strident, angry and anything but measured, indicates that he does not possess the right temperament to sit on the court.

I don’t know why you people think this due process crap has ANY relevance in this issue, but you’d be, as always, wrong.


I guess from now on we need to have the same shit shoveling test for every supreme court nominee. We really need to see how they react to a baseless political smear, before we can let them on the highest court. 

Unlike a Lie, the Truth requires no eloquence.
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  • From:USA

Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:06-10-2018 03:13:10Copy HTML

 

Sorry, due process  has nothing to do with this case. Brett Kavanaugh is not on trial, he is seeking confirmation. NOBODY is required to hire someone, especially in this case, whose judgement they doubt. It is more than sufficient in Kavanaugh’s case to say that irrespective of the truth of the charge against him, his very reaction, strident, angry and anything but measured, indicates that he does not possess the right temperament to sit on the court.

I don’t know why you people think this due process crap has ANY relevance in this issue, but you’d be, as always, wrong.


ALL americans by Right and Tradition are entitled to a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Ford had NOTHING to corroborate!

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Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:06-10-2018 09:57:59Copy HTML

 I guess from now on we need to have the same shit shoveling test for every supreme court nominee.


That it was baseless is simply moronic. Whether she was right or not, nobody but NOBODY, except a senile old coot like yourself, believes that Christine Ford simply made these charges up out of whole cloth. Was she mistaken about his identify? Perhaps so. Is Mr. Kavanaugh's a high-functioning alcoholic? Perhaps so, perhaps not. But no one denies at this point that he drank to excess while in college--would be very surprised if given his binges he didn't damage his brain in a way that will manifest itself later down the road--while he is ruling of matters of grave import.


Whether something was exaggerated or not is not the same as being baseless, pav. There was a time when even you possessed the cognition to recognize that.  


We really need to see how they react to a baseless political smear, before we can let them on the highest court.


Actually, I'm fine with that. The question at hand is whether a political smear, baseless or not, draws the sort of reaction from a nominee that would provide prima facie evidence that his does not possess the temperament or character to sit on a court. I don't want a king whose reaction to bad news is "kill the messenger", and that is what Kavanaugh is likely to be, someone who does not know how to dispense justice so much as exercise his anger.

I have no problem saying thta determining the quality of someone's character and temperament BEFORE seating them on the court is quite ithin the proper scope of the Senate's confirmation process.




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Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:06-10-2018 09:58:50Copy HTML

 ALL americans by Right and Tradition are entitled to a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Ford had NOTHING to corroborate!


Are you really this stupid? REALLY?

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  • From:USA

Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:06-10-2018 10:49:50Copy HTML

QZ: Well I see you're fully back in form after dipping your toe in cordiality. Didn't take much, did it? Extended vacations from fsa don't seem to do a lot for your disposition.
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Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:07-10-2018 12:24:20Copy HTML

 I guess from now on we need to have the same shit shoveling test for every supreme court nominee.


That it was baseless is simply moronic. Whether she was right or not, nobody but NOBODY, except a senile old coot like yourself, believes that Christine Ford simply made these charges up out of whole cloth. Was she mistaken about his identify? Perhaps so. Is Mr. Kavanaugh's a high-functioning alcoholic? Perhaps so, perhaps not. But no one denies at this point that he drank to excess while in college--would be very surprised if given his binges he didn't damage his brain in a way that will manifest itself later down the road--while he is ruling of matters of grave import.


Whether something was exaggerated or not is not the same as being baseless, pav. There was a time when even you possessed the cognition to recognize that.  


We really need to see how they react to a baseless political smear, before we can let them on the highest court.


Actually, I'm fine with that. The question at hand is whether a political smear, baseless or not, draws the sort of reaction from a nominee that would provide prima facie evidence that his does not possess the temperament or character to sit on a court. I don't want a king whose reaction to bad news is "kill the messenger", and that is what Kavanaugh is likely to be, someone who does not know how to dispense justice so much as exercise his anger.

I have no problem saying thta determining the quality of someone's character and temperament BEFORE seating them on the court is quite ithin the proper scope of the Senate's confirmation process.





 It was baseless you Fn weasel. Uncorroborated equals baseless.

Unlike a Lie, the Truth requires no eloquence.
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Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:07-10-2018 02:54:41Copy HTML

QZ:  Well I see you're fully back in form after dipping your toe in cordiality.  Didn't take much, did it?   Extended vacations from fsa don't seem to do a lot for your disposition.




What did I say that you didn't find cordial, Jackie?   I'm not ever going to find a witchtrial appropriate, and I'm not ever going to view those who would do it, support it, or dismiss it...or those who would erupt in outrage when the witch didn't drown...in a positive light.  


When it gets to the point where a hoard of people believe a pro choice moderate woman like Susan Collins is a "rape apologist", that there is a ginned up mob.  And ginned up mobs are stupid and dangerous, not virtuous. 



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Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:07-10-2018 03:01:55Copy HTML

The measure of whether someone's life (meaning reputation in this instance) is 'ruined' is very simple.


Ford will be forgotten.   Her name will likely only be mentioned when needed, vis-a-vis Anita Hill.  Same as the accusers of Herman Cain, Roy Moore and countless others.


Kavanaugh, however, will have these unfounded charges flung at him every single time there is an SC decision that the left doesn't like.  For very likely the next 30 years.

Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
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Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:08-10-2018 02:02:18Copy HTML


I have no problem saying thta determining the quality of someone's character and temperament BEFORE seating them on the court is quite ithin the proper scope of the Senate's confirmation process.

+++++++


Gee, it is too bad he didn't have 12 years of on the job experience with excellent ratings on all aspects to consider.   I guess there was no other choice but to ruin his life by accusing him of a heinous crime in order to know what kind of judicial temperament he has.   

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Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:08-10-2018 02:21:47Copy HTML

 ALL americans by Right and Tradition are entitled to a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Ford had NOTHING to corroborate!


Are you really this stupid? REALLY?


Mickeyrat, you were addressing the questions to YOURSELF? ALL your posts reveal you ARE that stupid!

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Re:Due process in danger

Date Posted:08-10-2018 02:42:20Copy HTML

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