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Yobbo
  • From:New_zealand

Date Posted:02-09-2017 12:00:30Copy HTML

'Don't take the Bible literally' says scholar who brought to light earliest Latin analysis of the Gospels

Daily Telegraph UK

[T]he earliest Latin interpretation of the Gospels has been brought to light by a British academic – and it suggests that readers should not take the Bible literally.

Lost for 1,500 years, the fourth-century commentary by African-born Italian bishop Fortunatianus of Aquileia interprets the Gospels as a series of allegories instead of a literal history.

Dr Hugh Houghton, of the University of Birmingham, who translated the work, said it was an approach which modern Christians could learn from.

The find adds weight to the idea that many early biblical scholars did not see the Bible as a history, but instead a series of coded messages which represented key elements of Christianity, he said.

"There's been an assumption that it's a literal record of truth - a lot of the early scholars got very worried about inconsistencies between Matthew and Luke, for example.

"But for people teaching the Bible in the fourth century, it's not the literal meaning which is important, it's how it's read allegorically.


Another subject for Tomás to ignore.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:04-09-2017 06:22:47Copy HTML

So,  you want a bit attention on this, eh?


What is there to say?   Is this news, that folk disagree over the Bible?     Still  waiting for you to admit the other article was wrong in its claims - but that does not really matter to you, does it?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:04-09-2017 06:44:30Copy HTML

 What is there to say?   Is this news, that folk disagree over the Bible?   

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I guess Yobbo should have spelled it out for you seeing you are so stupid.

He was asking you if you think it should be taken literally or agree with these scholars.

Which is it?  Do you take it literally, or agree with the scholars?

Glad to see you agreed the bible lied about the Jews killing the Canaanites in the other thread.  God progress toward recognizing it is full of lies.

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  • From:USA

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:04-09-2017 07:21:08Copy HTML

Ok, maybe this will help you:

What is there to say?   Is this news, that scholars disagree over the Bible? 

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:05-09-2017 12:43:50Copy HTML

 Not my question lying Tomas.

 Answer it for yourself.

Put your big boy panties on and answer a question for the first time in your life in the first person.  Starting with "I" and ending with "the bible literally".  Insert "do" or "do not" (take it all literally) as appropriate.

It is a yes/no answer.  This should not be that difficult even for a lying asshole like you.

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  • From:USA

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:05-09-2017 05:10:56Copy HTML

Do you take it literally, or agree with the scholars?


That question?   What does 'agree with the scholars' even mean, when  they don't agree among themselves?  As noted before, btw.


The Bible, where it is historical, is understood as such, where it is poetic, as such, and so on.     There are some passages one may have question - but one can read how other writers of other books handle it.  

It is not really rocket science, except for those folk who try to make it so, rather than deal with the message of the Bible.  


And again, one can ask the Author, in humility - a very wise move - but folk with sinful pride are not going to jump for joy at that either, for example.   

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:05-09-2017 05:19:00Copy HTML

 Imagine my shock that Tomas couldn't answer a simple question.

Try this again lying asshat.

Do you agree the bible should be taken literally as it is written, or do you agree with the scholars that say not everything in the bible should be taken literally?

This is an easy yes/no question Tomas.

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And again, one can ask the Author, in humility - a very wise move 

____

'There are many authors, none of which is God, but if you believe God to be the author, then of course you take it all literally.  By the way, when you asked him, what did he say?  lol


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  • From:New_zealand

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:06-09-2017 09:00:32Copy HTML

It is hard to take each gospel at face value when they often tell totally different accounts of the same event. 
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:Unknown

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:06-09-2017 07:09:31Copy HTML

 Wouldn't it be amazing to hear Tomas' direct answer to this question however?    Wont happen, but it would be amazing.
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  • From:New_zealand

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:07-09-2017 02:19:19Copy HTML

 I'd be flabbergasted.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:07-09-2017 04:03:00Copy HTML

Skw, have you stopped beating your wife?


Simple Yes or No question.......................

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:07-09-2017 05:39:38Copy HTML

 Skw, have you stopped beating your wife?


Simple Yes or No question.......................

____________________________________

Since I never beat my wife, then am I to assume you never took the bible literally?

It is actually a simple question Tomas. Yes or no.  Do you take the bible literally in every regard, or just some of it? That is a yes/no question.....as yes/no as they come.

Grow a spine and actually answer a question for the first time in your life Tomas. I promise it wont kill you.


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  • From:USA

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:09-09-2017 04:48:56Copy HTML

Skw, have you stopped beating your wife?


Simple Yes or No question.......................


Wouldn't it be amazing to hear Skw's direct Yes/No answer to this question however?    Wont happen, but it would be amazing.


You get the point yet?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:09-09-2017 03:58:17Copy HTML

 Wouldn't it be amazing to hear Skw's direct Yes/No answer to this question however?    Wont happen, but it would be amazing.

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Tomas grow up.  Your very stupid and unrelated question is not a  yes / no question.  You, in your not-so clever way are trying to say my question is not a yes/no question, but it is. 

 Do you take the bible literally in every regard, or just some of it? That is a yes/no question.....as yes/no as they come.

It's easy Tomas, but Ill make it EVEN EASIER so you can show us all what a dishonest liar you are again.

There are three choices.  Pick one.

 I, Tomas the liar, take the whole bible as the literal word of God

I, Tomas the liar, take parts of the bible as the literal word of God, and other parts written by man or allegory.

I, Tomas the liar, take no parts of the bible to be the word of God.

Which is it for you?

Try honesty for a few seconds, you might like it.





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  • From:USA

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:10-09-2017 09:23:07Copy HTML

Post 5, for those who have English as their first language.
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:New_zealand

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:10-09-2017 11:19:55Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

Post 5, for those who have English as their first language.

English is my fourth language but I can honestly say; skwanderer makes more sense than Tomlapaz.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:Unknown

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:11-09-2017 01:21:09Copy HTML

 Do you take the bible literally in every regard, or just some of it? That is a yes/no question.....as yes/no as they come.

Lets start a poll and ask everyone. 


There are only three options

1)  Every word literal word of god

2) Some of it word of god and some written by man

3) none of it word of god


Which is it for you Tomas?  Why cant you answer such a simple question?

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  • From:Unknown

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:11-09-2017 01:24:14Copy HTML

 Post 5 is not an answer Tomas.  You dance around saying some of it may be poetic (what the fuck foes that mean), then you say if you have questions, there are many writers on the subject (also not an answer).


I am asking whether you, Tomas the liar of Idiotville, take all ofthe bible literally, some of it literally and some written by man, or none of it literally?

If there is another option please let us know.

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  • From:USA

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:15-09-2017 05:12:03Copy HTML

Post 5 is the answer, for those who have had at least a decent US public school education in English.


There are only three options

1)  Every word literal word of god

2) Some of it word of god and some written by man

3) none of it word of god


Actually, they are not the only three options - or you need to clarify them.  It also a different question then the below, at least on the surface.    So certainly, any clarify you wish to add is welcome.

Do you take the bible literally in every regard, or just some of it?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:15-09-2017 06:06:51Copy HTML

 Not an answer lying dishonest asshole headed to hell.    If you think there are more options, add them and tell us which one describes you.

This is post 5 "The Bible, where it is historical, is understood as such, where it is poetic, as such, and so on.     There are some passages one may have question - but one can read how other writers of other books handle it.  "

That is not an answer.  What does poetic mean?  Literal or not literal?  Telling me to "look how others handle it" says nothing about you believe idiot....as in...IS NOT AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION...EVEN REMOTELY.

I am asking whether you, Tomas the liar, take all of the bible literally, some of it literally and some written by man, or none of it literally?

If there is another option please let us know.

I don't expect that you are capable of answering. I just want to keep your feet to the fire and make sure we all know what an incredible dishonest liar you are. 


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  • From:New_zealand

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:15-09-2017 08:13:37Copy HTML

Tomás demands that everyone else clarify what they are saying.  He then obfuscates much of what he says.
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  • From:New_zealand

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:16-09-2017 12:08:36Copy HTML


Some stuff for the religious to ponder.

5 Things We’ll Miss If We Take the Bible Too Literally
 http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unfundamentalistchristians/2017/09/5-things-well-miss-take-bible-literally/#VwQEx6QqtQtLGWfo.99

An attempt by some Christian to square the circles found in the bible.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:Unknown

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:18-09-2017 04:53:17Copy HTML

 Tomas?

If you think there are more options, add them and tell us which one describes you.

You said it was Post 5 "The Bible, where it is historical, is understood as such, where it is poetic, as such, and so on.     There are some passages one may have question - but one can read how other writers of other books handle it.  "

That is not an answer.  What does poetic mean?  Literal or not literal?  Telling me to "look how others handle it" says nothing about you believe...as in...IS NOT AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION...NOT REMOTELY.

I am asking whether you, Tomas, take all of the bible literally, some of it literally, some written by man, or none of it literally, or some other combination?

If there is another option please let us know.

I don't expect that you are capable of answering. I just want to keep your feet to the fire and make sure we all know what an incredible dishonest liar you are. 

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  • From:USA

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:18-09-2017 11:58:49Copy HTML

Boy, you guys really get worked up over this.   Folk differ in their interpretation of the Bible, folk differ in their interpretation of the fossils, etc.

The point is what actually works, takes into context, etc.   If folk interpreted a bike manually differently, it would not be long till we see which ways can be discarded.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:New_zealand

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:19-09-2017 01:39:03Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

Boy, you guys really get worked up over this.   Folk differ in their interpretation of the Bible, folk differ in their interpretation of the fossils, etc.

The point is what actually works, takes into context, etc.   If folk interpreted a bike manually differently, it would not be long till we see which ways can be discarded.


That is simply balderdash.  Besides if people have different interpretations of the bible then it has been taken literally by only one person/group.  The rest of them treat it as allegory.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:19-09-2017 02:30:35Copy HTML

The Sadducees did not take many parts literally - they also had Jesus crucified.

The plain message of the Bible is not pleasing to many folk - so you can see why they would want to alter what they read.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:19-09-2017 05:14:19Copy HTML

 Boy, you guys really get worked up over this.   Folk differ in their interpretation of the Bible, folk differ in their interpretation of the fossils, etc.

The point is what actually works, takes into context, etc.   If folk interpreted a bike manually differently, it would not be long till we see which ways can be discarded.

___


I know "some folk" take it differently.  I'm not asking "folk".  I'm asking you, Tomas the dishonest liar, to answer a simple question for the first time in his worthless life.

Do you, TOMAS,  take all of the bible literally, some of it literally, some written by man, none of it literally, or some other combination?

What do YOU think Tomas?  Not "some folk" here or "some folk" there, or what about the Sadducees?  That is all deflection and NOT what I asked.

Do you, TOMAS,  take all of the bible literally, some of it literally, some written by man, none of it literally, or some other combination?


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  • From:USA

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:19-09-2017 08:58:47Copy HTML

To those literate in English, post 5 explained it well.

If it would be easier for you, Skw, take a selected passage and ask about that.  


To ask someone if they read every book in the library, and every passage in every book in the library, the same way is rather odd.  And the Bible is actually 66 different books, some very large, some but one chapter.  You have poetry, history, prophecy, etc.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:19-09-2017 09:12:02Copy HTML

 To those literate in English, post 5 explained it well.

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I re-posted Post 5 asshole.  It didn't explain your position at all.  Ill repost it again just toshow what a lying piece of shit you are.

Question:  Do you, TOMAS,  take all of the bible literally, some of it literally, some written by man, none of it literally, or some other combination?

Tomas' alleged answer from post 5: What does 'agree with the scholars' even mean, when  they don't agree among themselves?  As noted before, btw. The Bible, where it is historical, is understood as such, where it is poetic, as such, and so on.   There are some passages one may have question - but one can read how other writers of other books handle it.   It is not really rocket science, except for those folk who try to make it so, rather than deal with the message of the Bible.   And again, one can ask the Author, in humility - a very wise move - but folk with sinful pride are not going to jump for joy at that either, for example

____


Where in there did you answer the question Tomas?  Let's break it down. 

Scholars don't agree among themselves - is not an answer.

Where it is historical it is historical and where it is poetic it is poetic. - is not an answer.  Poetic does not mean you can't take it literally.  Poetic simply means written in verse, with various style.  It has nothing to do with literal or figurative.  Many poems are literal.  There are millions of poems about historically true events.  Not an answer.

One can read other writers - Not an answer

One can ask the author - not an answer.


You are pathetic Tomas.  How hard would it be to say, I don't take it all literally, in some places it is probably allegory.....or something like that?  Its not hard.  Try it.








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  • From:USA

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:20-09-2017 05:57:09Copy HTML

Actually, I asked  you to give some specific passages - as you yourself note, they can vary in style.

And just like poetry can vary, so can an historical account like the gospels.   Since they include conversations of folk in there, the historical account could include any parables spoken by them, for example.


So, generally speaking, you have your history books (such as many books of the Old Testament, including Genesis, Samuel, Kings).   Job is poetic, yet it does record history.   And you have several prophetic books - but the non prophetic books can include prophecy, and the prophetic books can include history, etc. 

New Testament, same idea.  Gospels and Acts are historical books.  What follows are epistles to either churches or individuals, containing instructions, principles, etc. - but also including history.

The only real prophetic book is Revelation - but it also includes some history, and the other books of the New Testament include prophecy.


And as Paul notes - they are all God Breathed.    2 Timothy 3:16.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:Early biblical scholars say the bible ought not be taken literally.

Date Posted:20-09-2017 04:42:28Copy HTML

 Actually, I asked  you to give some specific passages - as you yourself note, they can vary in style.

And just like poetry can vary, so can an historical account like the gospels. 

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Yes poetry can vary in style, which says nothing of whether or not the poetry is talking about a true event, or an allegorical event.

Again, you don't answer.  Imagine our shock Tomas that you continue to dodge Tomas.

This is really quite easy if you had an honest bone in your body.  You are dancing around "styles of poetry" without stating plainly what YOU believe. You are the most dishonest person I have ever met.

Try this again.

Do you, TOMAS,  take all of the bible literally, some of it literally, some written by man, none of it literally, or some other combination?

Instead of saying meaningless vagaries like "poetry can vary",  just pick the answer that fits above.  State it plainly without dancing on the head of a pin to avoid an answer. 


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