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Tomlapaz
  • From:USA

Date Posted:29-01-2018 12:47:07

Evolution also being a faith system, this forum seems to be a good fit for this.   Some notes taken some time ago, cannot remember from who or where.


Three kinds of Evolution (as to how the term gets used in a variety of ways)

  1. Change over time: Of this there is observable proof
  2. Micro evolution: small changes within each kind.   Of this there is observable proof
  3. Macro evolution: transmutation of "species".  Darwinism.  No proof of all.

Two Pillars of Evolution

  1. Life from Non life:  No proof at all
  2. Transmutation of 'species': No transitional forms.   Missing links are missing

For evolution to stand, both of these foundational points  must be proven to have occurred.  As it is, neither one has any proof at all.   Note: 'species' may be better replaced, depending, by 'genus' or perhaps even higher.    See link discussion below on definitions.

Irreducible Complexity

The living cell is super complex and only works when all of the complex parts are assembled and functioning.   The removal of one of the parts would not make the cell less functional, it would not function at all.  The complexity of the cell could not have evolved one step at a time, it is irreducibly complex.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species

In biology, a species is the basic unit of biological classification and a taxonomic rank, as well as a unit of biodiversity, but it has proven difficult to find a satisfactory definition. Scientists and conservationists need a species definition which allows them to work, regardless of the theoretical difficulties.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #61
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:27-02-2018 05:48:13

Reply to Tomlapaz

So, in other words,  you don't know and have not even bothered to investigate.

Ok.


You are not qualified to make that statement.  Skwanderer provided heaps of links to scientific work yet you ignore them all.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
bones1776 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #62
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:27-02-2018 08:14:39

 How about that?  Tomas still hasn't been able to rebut a single direct observation of factual irrefutable proven evolution that I posted.

Imagine everyone's shock.

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bones1776 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #63
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:27-02-2018 08:19:13

 none of you guys can probably actual detail the differences on the scientific points between young earth creationism and naturalistic evolution (there being several positions, but to keep it simple for you all).

___

OK, so it is clear you are going to ignore all the scientific data I posted thus far.  You've got nothing, have always had nothing, will never have anything.

I know both sides far better than you.  Keep it simple for yourself idiot.  In fact, keeping it simple wont even help an idiot like you.  You don't know the first thing about science or evolution.  You couldn't explain genetic drift or polyploidy to save your soul and the souls of your entire family.  I can tell you in great detail every creationist nonsensical proposition.

Lets discuss whatever creationist or scientific position you like.  You have never done so to date.  You allude to "us" not understanding.  LOLOLOL.  Then explain it asshole.  Get into details.  Give us the scientific data behind your beliefs.   You seem to think you are making points but you have never once discussed one detail of any technical position.

There is a first time for everything.




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Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #64
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:02-03-2018 06:09:14

Still is true:

 none of you guys can probably actual detail the differences on the scientific points between young earth creationism and naturalistic evolution (there being several positions, but to keep it simple for you all).

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #65
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:02-03-2018 05:00:57

Still is a lie:

 none of you guys can probably actual detail the differences on the scientific points between young earth creationism and naturalistic evolution (there being several positions, but to keep it simple for you all).

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "[i]If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn.,[/i]" -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #66
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:03-03-2018 06:07:42

Well, a lie or an error - either way, it should be easily demonstrated.


List some scientific positions (and how they see the evidence supports those positions)  of each group, where their positions differ.   If you cannot, then actually the statement is accurate.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
bones1776 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #67
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:05-03-2018 07:32:51

 Still is true:

 none of you guys can probably actual detail the differences on the scientific points between young earth creationism and naturalistic evolution (there being several positions, but to keep it simple for you all).

___


One is science and the other is not. That is the only difference that matters. Creationism stats with a biblical answer and tries to fit data to match the answer.  That is not science.  It fails every test of the scientific method.

You are incaoable of discussing any technical data and will merely run from it when I post it.


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Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #68
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:07-03-2018 06:34:44

I did not think Skw could do it either.

When you believe molecules to man evolution based on dogma, well, how can you?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
bones1776 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #69
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:07-03-2018 07:08:12

 I answered it correctly.  Evolution is science, creationism is not.  That is fact regardless of how many times you stomp your feet. Creationism is not science.  It starts with an answer and desperately tries to fit the data (that don't fit).  That is not how science works.

Who believes in molecules to man based on dogma?  I don't.  No one does. I believe in it based on factual observable science, that I have posted many times...and that you have ignored and refused to discuss.  You continually bring up the topic of evolution, then refuse to discuss.  You are disingenuous lying piece of shit.  Nothing more.

Imagine my shock.

If and when you are ever capable of entering a discussion of all the data and factual evidence I post, I am here. Sadly, you have never done so, and everyone knows you are a charlatan ...and yet you persist.  Ignorance is indeed bliss.


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Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #70
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:08-03-2018 06:28:27

You answered it dishonestly.   Not that I am shocked.  
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #71
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:08-03-2018 09:24:19

So says one of THE most dishonest persons I've ever encountered in a message board.

High irony.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "[i]If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn.,[/i]" -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #72
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:08-03-2018 01:48:03

Still waiting for an example from you Bogus.

There has to be at least one example you can think of and support easily enough.   Of being dishonest - being the most dishonest will take some work on your part, I would think.


Look guys - the back and forth can go and on and go nowhere - well, at least till judgment day.   Then we each we each have to take responsibility for ourselves before the Creator.  There will be no hiding from the truth for any of us come that day.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
bones1776 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #73
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:08-03-2018 07:28:52

 Still waiting for Tomas' first reply to any science I have ever posted on evolution in any of his dozens of idiotic creationist threads.  Imagine everyone's shock that he continues to run from it.
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bones1776 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #74
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:08-03-2018 07:34:11

Hey Tomas, do you remember what this thread was about. Havent you been running away from this long enough?

How about telling me what is "faith" about this science? 

Here is the definition of evolution:

The change in allele frequency (genes) over time such that distant progeny (many generations) are morphologically and genetically distinct from their ancestors.

We have seen this in the tangible world. In other words, the existence of evolution is fact, not what I or anyone else "think".

Here are facts that have proven evolution to be true. You can ignore them all and later claim that I never presented them as you normally do.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/evolution-watching-speciation-occur-observations/

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

http://www.darwinwasright.org/observations_speciation.html

https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/100201_speciation

https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_45

The debate has never been (at for at least 150 years) whether evolution is true or not. The debate is only about the details.  You are not in the debate at any level.  You are outside living in a very tiny world of lies.


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Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #75
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:09-03-2018 05:33:19

And I have posted links also.   Wow, aren't we all so talented.

Still is true:

 none of you guys can probably actual detail the differences on the scientific points between young earth creationism and naturalistic evolution (there being several positions, but to keep it simple for you all).

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #76
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:09-03-2018 10:38:07

Reply to Tomlapaz

Still waiting for an example from you Bogus.

There has to be at least one example you can think of and support easily enough.   Of being dishonest - being the most dishonest will take some work on your part, I would think.


Look guys - the back and forth can go and on and go nowhere - well, at least till judgment day.   Then we each we each have to take responsibility for ourselves before the Creator.  There will be no hiding from the truth for any of us come that day.

That is your belief.  Not mine.  No amount of your lying, putting words into others mouths, and avoiding the subject will convince any one to convert to your belief.

You asked for an example.  One need look no further than your reply #70 on this thread, Tom.  It is a lie.  Skwanderer answered honestly.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "[i]If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn.,[/i]" -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
bones1776 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #77
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:09-03-2018 05:31:08

 And I have posted links also.   Wow, aren't we all so talented.

Still is true:

 none of you guys can probably actual detail the differences on the scientific points between young earth creationism and naturalistic evolution (there being several positions, but to keep it simple for you all).

_____


And I have rebutted information you have posted. That is how it works.  You post something, I say that is not true because of this study (link) that demonstrates it is not true.....you ignore the study because....it is a link????

If links to scientific study is something you refuse to talk about in threads that are directly relevant to scientific study, how is it you think this discussion should proceed?    I should do an experiment on video and tape it and play if for you to directly demonstrate evolution?

You are a delusional lying idiot.

Still, this is NOT True. This is false.  Tomas is lying.  I know far more about what young earth creationist liars like yourself say than you do Tomas.

none of you guys can probably actual detail the differences on the scientific points between young earth creationism and naturalistic evolution (there being several positions, but to keep it simple for you all).


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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:10-03-2018 03:22:58

Hmm, mind if I quote you back?


And I have rebutted information you have posted. That is how it works.  You post something, I say that is not true because of this study (link) that demonstrates it is not true.....you ignore the study because....it is a link????

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
katie5445 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #79
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:15-03-2018 03:20:10

So I'm wondering what the motive is to keep carrying on?
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:15-03-2018 03:33:16

Frankly?  Probably mainly stubbornness on each of us in this thread.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:19-03-2018 04:10:07

 Hmm, mind if I quote you back?


And I have rebutted information you have posted. That is how it works.  You post something, I say that is not true because of this study (link) that demonstrates it is not true.....you ignore the study because....it is a link????

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You can quote me all you like, but you cannot show me one rebuttal from you to any of the science I have posted.  Not one.

You are a liar. It is just that simple.

What does your God say about lying?

Live it or live with it.
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:19-03-2018 10:22:59

 Tomas just created another diversion.  Watch for the next 4 pages as he merely repeats that he has rebutted science I posted, without ever demonstrating he rebutted any science I posted....and thereby avoiding any discussion of science once again.

Tomas, do you get away with lying to your family and co-workers this often?

Live it or live with it.
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:19-03-2018 11:14:00

Reply to katie5445

So I'm wondering what the motive is to keep carrying on?

Frankly?  As I said probably mainly stubbornness on each of us in this thread.
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Evolution: Short summary

Date Posted:20-03-2018 03:42:53

 So I'm wondering what the motive is to keep carrying on?
Frankly?  As I said probably mainly stubbornness on each of us in this thread.

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I'm not stubborn.  Every time you ask the unrelated bullshit about the word "majority", I provide the dictionary definition to you that shows I used it correctly. You refuse to read the dictionary definition apparently.  Majority - the greater number. Which is exactly how I used it.

Every time you start a thread about evolution, I post tons of science and data, to which you ignore and fail to rebut in any way, eventually running away and starting a new thread.

You are a dishonest and pathetic person.

Live it or live with it.
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