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FL_Freebird
  • From:USA

Date Posted:03-10-2018 04:10:42Copy HTML

Don't forget to read the part that Ford committed fraud with her ex boyfriend's credit card. 


Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph, Had No Fear of Flying


A man who dated Brett Kavanaugh’s primary accuser, Christine Blasey Ford, for six years claims she had no fear of flying, no fear of small spaces or rooms with single exits, and once used her psychology training to prepare a friend for a polygraph examination, according to a Tuesday Fox News report.

In a sworn statement to the Senate Judiciary Committee dated Tuesday, the California man claims to have met the then-Christine Blasey “in 1989 or 1990,” then had been romantically involved with her for about six years from 1992 to 1998. In that time, he claims to have witnessed Ford, then studying psychology, coach a close friend as she prepared for government administered polygraph exams. Fox News’s Shannon Bream posted a redacted version of the letter on Twitter:




The man’s claims appear to contradict Ford’s testimony under oath before the Senate Judiciary Committee last week, where she told outside counsel Rachel Mitchell that she “never” gave “tips or advice to somebody looking to take a polygraph test.”

The alleged ex-boyfriend also claims that Ford frequently flew, including in small propeller aircraft, without complaint over the course of their relationship and had no fear of small spaces or rooms with only one exit. Ford’s claims that phobias of these things have plagued her since the early 1980s as a result of a 17-year-old Kavanaugh attacking her have been central elements of her story.

Further, the man claims Ford never mentioned being a victim of sexual assault in the eight years they knew each other and never once mentioned Kavanaugh’s name. Finally, he claims their relationship ended amid infidelity and credit card fraud on her part. He does, however, claim that he “finds Ford believable” and did not “want to become involved” with the investigatory process.

Exactly when the Senate Judiciary Committee staff came into possession of the letter is not clear. Mitchell’s specific questioning about polygraph prepration during Ford’s committee testimony, however, may indicate committee staff had some knowledge of the allegations laid out in the letter at least as early as last week.




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  • From:USA

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 04:39:35Copy HTML

Now you don't care. Got it.
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  • From:USA

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 04:45:13Copy HTML

nateonthenet  

do I believe ford? yes. would I convict kavanaugh if this was a trial? No.

jackie_rn  

Exactly, nate.


WTF! But its okay to destroy the man's character in the court 

of opinion and before his family based on someone 

who can't remember shit. 


Sorry, I don't mean to mock the poor victim errr accuser. 


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  • From:USA

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 04:53:55Copy HTML

Now you don't care.  Got it.


I never did care what these male hating feminist chose for their symbol but whatever they choose I don't see any reason why I should not be allowed to use it to depict who these people really are.


Should a cartoonist not be able to use the jackass symbol of the Democrat Party?

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  • From:Argentina

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 05:09:23Copy HTML

Only fools would believe Ford.


A recap for the fools:


1.   She did not know where the party was.


2.   She did not know WHEN the party was.


3.   She did not know how she got to the party.


4.  She first said the attendance at the 'party' was herself and four boys.  Then later on added a female for good measure.


5.   All four of the people she named in attendance at the party unanimously claimed to have no knowledge of the party.


6.   She does not know how she got home from the party.


What, exactly, is believable about a word of the above?

Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
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  • From:USA

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 05:24:32Copy HTML

"I'm quite sure guys back then were capable of dating raping someone and walking away from it not considering it rape."


If I rob a bank and they decide to not press charges on me, what are the chances I might try it again? And if some guys did that does that mean all guys should have to prove they haven't done it? I must have went through college with blinders because it appears I missed all this going on back then.


Exactly, and what I believe this was. Where we part ways is this: during that time, there was a type of guy who could do this and did, and there was a kind of guy the majority, who would never have and did not. It seems to me Brett was the former, and I have a problem with that. I think him facing a consequence for that of not getting a supreme Court seat is absolutely justice.


"Seems" again being the operative word. What is seems like doesn't matter. You have to have a rational mind to separate "seems like" and what can be proved with evidence. I'm sorry but someone who can't remember anything and whose witnesses don't remember anything either raises a big red flag to me. Having waited 36 years to accuse him right before a vote only increases the size of that big red flat.



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  • From:Argentina

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 05:33:29Copy HTML

I am going to say this again.  The people Ford named as attendees at the party have all said they have no knowledge of the party ever taking place.


They are not saying there was a party to have a remembrance of.

Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
anjypanjy Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #37
  • From:USA

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 05:44:30Copy HTML

Freebird really likes to say "pussy hat." 


It was the male hating feminist malcontents who came up with the term pink pussy hats and who 

started wearing them. What would you propose I call them? 


I'm not sure what that's about.


Normally I would say that its because you have your head in the sand but I think you know exactly why I use the term. 

I'm assuming you don't like me using the term because it makes all woman appear to be idiots. 





It's not that I dislike you using the term. I find it interesting and weird, but that's about it. I do, however, find it ironic that you would assume that I think it's women who appear to be idiots when you do. ;)

mudbugluv Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #38
  • From:USA

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 05:57:13Copy HTML

What is really weird, is that she threw her friend Leland under the bus.  She totally blindsided her with this whole thing.  If you were going to go public with something like this on a national scale or even at all, and intended to use someone as a corroborating witness, wouldn't you maybe give your pal a head's up??  I mean shit,  Who does that?? And then she tries to make Leland look like she has mental issues or something during her testimony at the Judiciary committee. How rude!  This woman was a golf pro and the women's coach at Georgetown until she suffered some injuries that caused her to have 14 operations on her neck and back and had to quit. Yeah.  Nice lady this Christine Ford.

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mudbugluv Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #39
  • From:USA

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 06:01:15Copy HTML

Freebird really likes to say "pussy hat." 


It was the male hating feminist malcontents who came up with the term pink pussy hats and who 

started wearing them. What would you propose I call them? 


I'm not sure what that's about.


Normally I would say that its because you have your head in the sand but I think you know exactly why I use the term. 

I'm assuming you don't like me using the term because it makes all woman appear to be idiots. 





It's not that I dislike you using the term. I find it interesting and weird, but that's about it. I do, however, find it ironic that you would assume that I think it's women who appear to be idiots when you do. ;)



CLEARLY, the women who wear giant vaginas on their heads in public, while holding signs demanding that they be respected, are not idiots. Really anjy?  REALLY?  Wow.

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  • From:USA

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 06:07:23Copy HTML

I'll reframe this for you and maybe you can see it differently if we remove all politics. I have a dear friend who was groomed and more by a youth pastor when she was around 12-13, she's not exactly certain. She has told exactly four people in her whole life that this ever happened, one of them being myself. She's now I believe 49 years old so I guess he's probably in his late sixties. This guy went on to be married and have kids. I've never known him to be charged with anything and to my knowledge never publicly accused of anything. He still lives in the state, so I feel like if he had been, we would know of it but I can't say that for fact. So we've talked about this quite a bit lately. Anyway. Suppose he were to be up for a position in church leadership, in a position where he would make decisions affecting the church's youth. My friend would feel compelled to say something even though it'd be horribly embarrassing for her. She has no proof. She doesn't even know what season it was, much less the date, when he first laid hands on her. She says everything after was kind of a blur. She knows her mom usually dropped her off but sometimes a friend's mom would so one of those would have been the case most likely but she's not sure. She could tell you how he would he arrange to have her alone. Probably some people would back that up maybe, if they recall what would have been unremarkable at the time. One friend from that time period would back up that she told them about it, at the time. That's really all the evidence she has. Not only would you not believe her because the amount of time that had passed, but also because of those missing details in her memory. He'd be put into a position of authority over more children. Some of you would mock her and call her a liar, an actor, and a plant from the devil himself most likely. Of course he would not be convicted. Legally there's a presumption of innocence, as it should be. That is irrelevant to whether we give him the job. He does not have a right to the job. Because the duties of the job require that we all feel pretty confident that he isn't gonna diddle the kiddies. This is not unreasonable line of thought imo, guys.
anjypanjy Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #41
  • From:USA

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 06:08:17Copy HTML

Dude, you said all women, and I was responding to that.
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  • From:Norway

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 06:19:37Copy HTML

I'll reframe this for you and maybe you can see it differently if we remove all politics. I have a dear friend who was groomed and more by a youth pastor when she was around 12-13, she's not exactly certain. She has told exactly four people in her whole life that this ever happened, one of them being myself. She's now I believe 49 years old so I guess he's probably in his late sixties. This guy went on to be married and have kids. I've never known him to be charged with anything and to my knowledge never publicly accused of anything. He still lives in the state, so I feel like if he had been, we would know of it but I can't say that for fact. So we've talked about this quite a bit lately. Anyway. Suppose he were to be up for a position in church leadership, in a position where he would make decisions affecting the church's youth. My friend would feel compelled to say something even though it'd be horribly embarrassing for her. She has no proof. She doesn't even know what season it was, much less the date, when he first laid hands on her. She says everything after was kind of a blur. She knows her mom usually dropped her off but sometimes a friend's mom would so one of those would have been the case most likely but she's not sure. She could tell you how he would he arrange to have her alone. Probably some people would back that up maybe, if they recall what would have been unremarkable at the time. One friend from that time period would back up that she told them about it, at the time. That's really all the evidence she has. Not only would you not believe her because the amount of time that had passed, but also because of those missing details in her memory. He'd be put into a position of authority over more children. Some of you would mock her and call her a liar, an actor, and a plant from the devil himself most likely. Of course he would not be convicted. Legally there's a presumption of innocence, as it should be. That is irrelevant to whether we give him the job. He does not have a right to the job. Because the duties of the job require that we all feel pretty confident that he isn't gonna diddle the kiddies. This is not unreasonable line of thought imo, guys.



excellent example anjy, we remember the trauma, we don't necessarily remember the minutia surrounding it. 



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  • From:USA

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 06:35:56Copy HTML

I agree, a very good and true analogy anjy.   Thing is, they've been told this by Dr. Ford (in clinical language even) that it's the discreet trauma and their emotional distress that implants in their consciousness, not the surrounding details.  It's a fight or flight response that embeds itself in the memory, and also manifests as PTSD symptoms later, that are triggered by what may seem like unrelated stimuli.   The problem is is we're trying to convince people who don't want to understand it and can't if they try, because there is an inherent inability to feel empathy in the first place.

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Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 06:41:41Copy HTML

"I'm quite sure guys back then were capable of dating raping someone and walking away from it not considering it rape." Exactly, and what I believe this was. Where we part ways is this: during that time, there was a type of guy who could do this and did, and there was a kind of guy the majority, who would never have and did not. It seems to me Brett was the former, and I have a problem with that. I think him facing a consequence for that of not getting a supreme Court seat is absolutely justice.


I would call the accusastion sexual assault, not date rape.  Regardless, my larger point was the culture viewed normal/acceptable differently then...what is date rape today was not viewed that way then.  While there is a very slim chance that any guy "of this type" only did it one time and/or wasn't sexually aggressive with other girls, for me to believe her there would have to be other stories. 


Well, unless you count the "weiner wag" which I do not believe and would not find convincing to prove him a rapist regardless if they could drag up an eye witness to the story, which they cannot. 

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  • From:USA

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 06:43:32Copy HTML

It's not that I dislike you using the term. I find it interesting and weird, but that's about it. I do, however, find it ironic that you would assume that I think it's women who appear to be idiots when you do. ;)


Really then maybe I should start wearing one of those ridiculous hats in blue.

Would that change your mind about my mental state?

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  • From:Norway

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 06:59:44Copy HTML

"I'm quite sure guys back then were capable of dating raping someone and walking away from it not considering it rape." Exactly, and what I believe this was. Where we part ways is this: during that time, there was a type of guy who could do this and did, and there was a kind of guy the majority, who would never have and did not. It seems to me Brett was the former, and I have a problem with that. I think him facing a consequence for that of not getting a supreme Court seat is absolutely justice.


I would call the accusastion sexual assault, not date rape.  Regardless, my larger point was the culture viewed normal/acceptable differently then...what is date rape today was not viewed that way then.  While there is a very slim chance that any guy "of this type" only did it one time and/or wasn't sexually aggressive with other girls, for me to believe her there would have to be other stories. 


Well, unless you count the "weiner wag" which I do not believe and would not find convincing to prove him a rapist regardless if they could drag up an eye witness to the story, which they cannot. 


Horse shit, man handling a woman, forcing sex on a woman has never been viewed as normal/acceptable by anyone other than assholes. The only thing that has changed is public awareness and societal attitdes. 

In the old days, an asshole like Kavanuagh might have given a beating and we didn't have the internet yet, so it wasn't global news instantly. The guy is an asshole, as are the majority of people who end up as lawyers that go into politics. Regrettably 


Finally, his drama queen display at the hearing was more than enough to eliminate him from consideration IMHO. Supreme Court Justuce material?  No fucking way!!!!!!

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  • From:USA

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 07:01:26Copy HTML

Not only would you not believe her because the amount of time that had passed, but also because of those missing details in her memory. He'd be put into a position of authority over more children. Some of you would mock her and call her a liar, an actor, and a plant from the devil himself most likely.


Can you tell me if something like the Democrat party was seeking her out to testify and paying her lawyers's fees to stop this man from getting that position.

Can you tell me if she ever saw a therapist who said her story had changed but she refused to let the notes be released?

Can you tell me if she had a polygraph test that she claimed said she was telling the truth but refused to have that test released?

Can you tell me if all the witnesses she said would cooroborate her story denied it?

Or is any of this even relevent since she is a female victim / accuser.

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  • From:USA

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 07:05:55Copy HTML

Finally, his drama queen display at the hearing was more than enough to eliminate him from consideration IMHO. Supreme Court Justuce material?  No fucking way!!!!!!


I know. Isn't it terrible how innocent accused victims of rape react so vehemently? Who does this asshole think he is? A rape accusal with no evidence by a Democrat feminist is a not a reason to become testy.

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  • From:USA

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 07:15:24Copy HTML

I'll reframe this for you and maybe you can see it differently if we remove all politics.



I don't doubt that many women can tell the same/similar stories including having no way to prove it.   As I said, I don't judge women for whatever is missing from their story.   I do not fault Ford for wanting to tell her story if she believes it to be true...I'm pretty sure if I knew a rapist was going to be put in high office, i would want to tell my story too even if I knew it probably wouldn't go anywhere.  What I would want...hope...is that my accusation would be taken seriously so that they would pay attention during the investigation process to see if there is any other substantiation out there.  We've seen with #metoo, that CAN happen and when an actual predator goes down, that is a good thing. 


What I fault is that the committee, or at least Feinstein though I highly doubt she did this on her own,  made it public when there is a process in place SPECIFICALLY for this sort of allegation to be addressed without it turning into a witchtrial.  This is what is WRONG...both to Ford AND to Kav AND to every other person from their circles who may or may not be dragged through the mud because of it.



And it would equally wrong if any church made these allegations public without REALLY solid evidence.  To do so WOULD divide that church, in the same way this shitshow is dividing the nation (further).  People who think they KNOW the truth about him or her, whether they do or not, would feel compelled to take sides because that is what people do when it feel a moral outrage.  That's why church's have a process for these things too, some handled it worse than others (coughCatholicChurchcough). 


Also, there was never a time when it was okay to diddle a kid and I hope to God there never will be.  But as I have been trying to explain regarding context, there was a time when men could do things to women which they cannot do nows, particularly teenagers.  THAT does matter, at least to me. 




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  • From:USA

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 07:30:27Copy HTML

The problem is is we're trying to convince people who don't want to understand it and can't if they try, because there is an inherent inability to feel empathy in the first place.


You're right. The day the shuttle blew up in Florida, the day the WTC blew up and fell to the ground, the day I my mother died, the day my brother died. I don't remember anything because it was so trumatic. I don't remember where I was, or how I got there, or how I got home. All I can say for sure is it was definitely was the shuttle, the WTC, and my and my brother and I remember some of the people who were supposedly there.  


I'm sorry but do you really expect me to believe Ford's selective memory is normal?


because there is an inherent inability to feel empathy in the first place.


I feel empathy. I feel empathy for the person whose life is ruined because he was falsely accused of attempted rape by a feminist Democrat, with no evidence, 36 years after the event.  

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  • From:Argentina

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 08:08:08Copy HTML

I feel nothing for any of these accusers, because it is my belief they are liars.

Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
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  • From:USA

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 08:14:22Copy HTML

I don't doubt that many women can tell the same/similar stories including having no way to prove it.  

Certainly not 36 years later.

As I said, I don't judge women for whatever is missing from their story. I do not fault Ford for wanting to tell her story if she believes it to be true...I'm pretty sure if I knew a rapist was going to be put in high office, i would want to tell my story too even if I knew it probably wouldn't go anywhere. 

Except she didn't want to tell the story until DiFi leaked it. Even tried to get out of flying there by lying.

What I would want...hope...is that my accusation would be taken seriously so that they would pay attention during the investigation process to see if there is any other substantiation out there.  We've seen with #metoo, that CAN happen and when an actual predator goes down, that is a good thing. 

It is a good thing if there is evidence to prove it. But in the #metoo error the lack of evidence can be ignored and the accusation alone becomes the proof. Especially if you can find more than one female to accuse him. Then they are quilty based on the number of accusations regardless of evidence or motivation and the male has the burden of proof.  

What I fault is that the committee, or at least Feinstein though I highly doubt she did this on her own,  made it public when there is a process in place SPECIFICALLY for this sort of allegation to be addressed without it turning into a witchtrial.  This is what is WRONG...both to Ford AND to Kav AND to every other person from their circles who may or may not be dragged through the mud because of it.

And this is where the dirty poltics comes in, especially when someone waits for the poltically opportune to make the charge.

Also, there was never a time when it was okay to diddle a kid and I hope to God there never will be.  But as I have been trying to explain regarding context, there was a time when men could do things to women which they cannot do nows, particularly teenagers.  THAT does matter, at least to me. 

Sorry I don't remember the times when you could attempt to rape or rape a teenager and expect to get away with it. More like it was a time when females didn't want to report it because it was forensically harder to prove it, they were more afraid of their parents, society was more prudish back then, and they were more likely to be ostrisize for even being at drinking parties at 15.

Things have changed now. Now females can shake their half naked butts or expose their breast to you and then dare any male to even say anything considered to be poltically incorrect.

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  • From:USA

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 08:22:25Copy HTML

Dr. Ford's memory is absolutely normal, Freebird. I'm not saying you have e to believe her as I think reasonable people can disagree on whether they think it happened. But her memory is normal, and I know women who would tell you they have similar memory lapses, as I've explained, and I have a friend who counsels such vicims professionally who has told me she found her testimony to be in keeping with someone who experienced what she says she experienced. For you to continue to claim expertise in this area despite those facts just shows you aren't really concerned with whether her memory of the events is credible.🤷
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  • From:USA

Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 08:30:13Copy HTML

I'm just trying to make sense of those people who say "I believe her" or "She's very credible"...but without evidence, I gotta go with Brett!



Perhaps the presumption of innocence demands more proof than a compelling story?   I would hope you want more than that if your son or husband were ever accused.  (QZ)      


Burden of proof would apply in a court of law, but not in a job interview for lifetime appointment to the SC,  which is what this is.  




Yes, I've heard this and that to me is the worst part of this shitshow.  Apparently half the country is willing to say that destroying someone's life in front of the entire world is acceptable because it is perfectly fine to ask an applicant for job to prove a negative which he cannot do.  Oh, and, unless he does it without getting angry or emotional, well then, he just proved he was a witch. 


I do not believe any of you would be saying this if it were your son or husband and I don't want to live in a place where that is acceptable.  But sadly I guess I do.

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Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 08:54:34Copy HTML




Horse shit, man handling a woman, forcing sex on a woman has never been viewed as normal/acceptable by anyone other than assholes. The only thing that has changed is public awareness and societal attitdes. 



Dude, that is what I am saying.  It isn't that rape was fine and dandy in the 80's....it wasn't.  It is that societal attitudes have change in regard to broadening the acceptance that rape is not limited to when some rando creeper breaks in your house or jumps out from behind a bush.   Rape can by the cute guy you are crushing on who persisted beyond your no's and you were too young and stupid (or maybe drunk) to know this is ALSO rape.    Go watch a John Hughes movie.  Try Sixteen Candles and point your critical eye on what is going on in that movie with the same intensity you are giving Kav's yearbook.  


I'm not saying this to justify what Kav did if it were true.  I am saying WHEN we judge what teeenagers did in the 80, you have to consider CONTEXT.   Or that is how I judge whether something from 30+ years ago warrants ruining someone's life.   

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Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 08:54:41Copy HTML

QZ, Dr. Ford did not expect to come before the Senate and cameras with her story.  Which began, btw, before he was even nominated but was on the "short list".  And she first went to her local congresswoman with it, hoping it would somehow get transmitted to the WH for their vetting.   


I agree it was and is a shit show, but not by Christine Ford's choice in the matter.  Her confidentiality was betrayed, perhaps by Democrats...and that hardly reflects admirably on them...or whoever.  This should have been handled far differently, but wasn't.   Sadly, it is what it is.  And it has convinced millions of people that BK is at the very least, unfit for this position.  In my opinion he's not fit for the federal judiciary at all.  That's not going to change either.

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Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 09:23:07Copy HTML

What.  A.  Shocker.



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Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 09:34:12Copy HTML

I have a friend who counsels such vicims professionally who has told me she found her testimony to be in keeping with someone who experienced what she says she experienced. For you to continue to claim expertise in this area despite those facts just shows you aren't really concerned with whether her memory of the events is credible.


I don't claim any expertise. Unfortnately I don't have all these friends who are experts in every field we discuss the subject of woman. Can this expert friend of yours provide me with any of her notes so I can tell if she really exist or if she is figment of your selective memory?


I call them like I see them. And I'm personally 1000x more likely to remember something when its traumatic than I am about the ordinary things that happened to me in life. Maybe I should get the opinion of a phycologist on the subject. I wonder if Ford is available or if she remembers being one.


Something may have happened to her but I don't believe she could only selectively remembered what it was unless they spiked her drink like Cosby. For instance I seriously doubt she can't remember how she got home after nearly being raped.


Hell if we are just going to make shit up as we go to fill the blanks, maybe BK drove her to the party, had consentual sex with her, drove her home, then never called her again after robbing her of her virginity. That could make a woman mad enough to wait 36 years to accuse of attempted rape a few days before his confirmation.



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Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 10:04:47Copy HTML

QZ, Dr. Ford did not expect to come before the Senate and cameras with her story.  Which began, btw, before he was even nominated but was on the "short list".  And she first went to her local congresswoman with it, hoping it would somehow get transmitted to the WH for their vetting.   


I agree it was and is a shit show, but not by Christine Ford's choice in the matter.  Her confidentiality was betrayed, perhaps by Democrats...and that hardly reflects admirably on them...or whoever.  This should have been handled far differently, but wasn't.   Sadly, it is what it is.  And it has convinced millions of people that BK is at the very least, unfit for this position.  In my opinion he's not fit for the federal judiciary at all.  That's not going to change either.




We agree in the main, but there is no "perhaps" about how this went public.   Agree millon of people are convinced that Kav is unfit.  And millions of people are convinced Ford is a liar.  It had no chance of ending any other way. 

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Re:Ex-Boyfriend Says Dr. Ford Coached Friend for Polygraph,

Date Posted:04-10-2018 10:05:08Copy HTML

On the Bright' side at least she beat him in Go Fund Me...

Glenn Greenwald

@ggreenwald
GoFundMe amounts raised for *personal use* by the 2 protagonists in the Supreme Court fight:

Brett Kavanaugh: $505,000
Christine Blasey Ford: $738,000



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