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Tomlapaz
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Date Posted:30-04-2018 12:56:24Copy HTML

Below is a good piece on Acts 2:42, on what makes for a health church.  In fact, the church growth was explosive in the book of Acts.

04/09/18  Grace Mail

"All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer" (Acts 2:42).

In Acts 2:42, we read that was the priority of the early church: Bible study, fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayer.

One of our sister churches that we actually helped to start are meeting in a school, where they have to set up and tear down every Sunday morning. They have to pack everything in a trailer. As I was thinking about that, I was thinking of how many things they don't have. You think, "Doesn't a church have to have certain kinds of buildings?" "Don't they have to have certain types of furnishings?" "Don't you need a cross somewhere?" "Don't you need a steeple someplace?" "Don't you need a gymnasium and a golf course, and a pool?"

I think of what the early church didn't have and it was so successful! The early church didn't have any of that stuff. It didn't even have the stuff we have. And yet, people were getting saved, and it was more successful in the first century than the church has ever been since.

The Gospel went out into the entire world, and all they had was Bible study, fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayer.

So, I think that everything that a church does ought to center around one of those four things. We ought to be able to trace everything we do at Calvary back to the fact that it's either Bible study, it's a fellowship opportunity, it's the breaking of bread (which I believe speaks of the Lord's Supper prominent in services and available to people), and/or prayer. Everything should come back to that. Those are the priorities. If you can get to other things; they're not wrong, but these are the things a church ought to focus on.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:22-05-2018 01:06:29Copy HTML

None of that disagrees with what I have been saying.   How does that disagree with folk studying the OT scriptures?

In fact, the book of Hebrew quotes OT scripture a lot - clearly the writer knew it well, yes?

In fact, the OT scripture leads one to Christ - as Jesus notes in the gospels.

Paul notes the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15 - and does so by pointing out OT scripture.

This list can go on.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:22-05-2018 01:08:48Copy HTML

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None of that disagrees with what I have been saying.   How does that disagree with folk studying the OT scriptures?

In fact, the book of Hebrew quotes OT scripture a lot - clearly the writer knew it well, yes?

In fact, the OT scripture leads one to Christ - as Jesus notes in the gospels.

Paul notes the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15 - and does so by pointing out OT scripture.

This list can go on.


And NONE of this supports that Early Christians sat around and poured over the scriptures in Bible study. Still waiting for your" sources" showing that this was a predominant activity among EARLY CHRISTIANS.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:22-05-2018 01:51:00Copy HTML

That is fine - I have a few steps in my argument, and that was just the first one.  Hardly expected just the one point in the argument to do the trick.

But to review with what I think we agree with so far:

1.Jewish scripture is the Word of God.

2.Jewish scripture was studied by Jew, both those faithful to God, and even those not.  

        2a. Be it among the Pharisees, or among the general folk.  We see this in the gospels, and in the book of Acts, not just the OT.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:22-05-2018 04:24:37Copy HTML

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That is fine - I have a few steps in my argument, and that was just the first one.  Hardly expected just the one point in the argument to do the trick.

But to review with what I think we agree with so far:

1.Jewish scripture is the Word of God.

2.Jewish scripture was studied by Jew, both those faithful to God, and even those not.  

        2a. Be it among the Pharisees, or among the general folk.  We see this in the gospels, and in the book of Acts, not just the OT.


No, number three is INCORRECT. You do NOT see that they STUDIED the Jewish scripture. THAT is your problem.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:22-05-2018 08:17:53Copy HTML

When you two argue with each other you actually produce some sort of a case but when you're confronted by Skwanderer, Pomp or me you simply deny and produce nothing to back up your denial.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:23-05-2018 11:49:30Copy HTML

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When you two argue with each other you actually produce some sort of a case but when you're confronted by Skwanderer, Pomp or me you simply deny and produce nothing to back up your denial.

YOU haven't the ability to argue anything since you have NO recognition of the CAUSE of ALL that exists and you continually deny reality.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:23-05-2018 01:08:27Copy HTML

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That is fine - I have a few steps in my argument, and that was just the first one.  Hardly expected just the one point in the argument to do the trick.

But to review with what I think we agree with so far:

1.Jewish scripture is the Word of God.

2.Jewish scripture was studied by Jew, both those faithful to God, and even those not.  

        2a. Be it among the Pharisees, or among the general folk.  We see this in the gospels, and in the book of Acts, not just the OT.


No, number three is INCORRECT. You do NOT see that they STUDIED the Jewish scripture. THAT is your problem.


First of all, as a preface - do not pay too much heed to Yobbo.   Been waiting for not sure how long for him to respond elsewhere to defend a claim, pointed out several times to him when he has asked.

Second, I assume you mean by 'number three' '2a', yes?


Third, and I ask this as again, I wonder how much of this is semantics - what comes to your mind when you think of the phase 'studied Jewish Scripture'?   I saw last night how many references were made to Jewish Scripture in the gospels, and they all assume the audience knew such scripture at the very least.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:23-05-2018 08:31:47Copy HTML

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That is fine - I have a few steps in my argument, and that was just the first one.  Hardly expected just the one point in the argument to do the trick.

But to review with what I think we agree with so far:

1.Jewish scripture is the Word of God.

2.Jewish scripture was studied by Jew, both those faithful to God, and even those not.  

        2a. Be it among the Pharisees, or among the general folk.  We see this in the gospels, and in the book of Acts, not just the OT.


No, number three is INCORRECT. You do NOT see that they STUDIED the Jewish scripture. THAT is your problem.


First of all, as a preface - do not pay too much heed to Yobbo.   Been waiting for not sure how long for him to respond elsewhere to defend a claim, pointed out several times to him when he has asked.

Second, I assume you mean by 'number three' '2a', yes?


Third, and I ask this as again, I wonder how much of this is semantics - what comes to your mind when you think of the phase 'studied Jewish Scripture'?   I saw last night how many references were made to Jewish Scripture in the gospels, and they all assume the audience knew such scripture at the very least.


Referencing the scriptures is NOT studying the scriptures and are just that, reference, a mention. YOU claim they engaged a good portion of time pouring over Scripture and they did NOT. You've shown NO backup for that.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:23-05-2018 09:44:39Copy HTML

John 5:39    You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me,


One of many verses, just in the gospels.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:25-05-2018 10:42:50Copy HTML

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John 5:39    You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me,


One of many verses, just in the gospels.


THIS quote by Jesus is NOT about the EARLY Christians. He was speaking to Jews who doubted his ministry, his divinity. THIS in NO way makes your case and shows you do NOT know what you are talking about. the scriptures here prove your claims INCORRECT.

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This has NOTHING to do with EARLY CHRISTIANS.

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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:25-05-2018 07:29:10Copy HTML

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John 5:39    You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me,


One of many verses, just in the gospels.


THIS quote by Jesus is NOT about the EARLY Christians. He was speaking to Jews who doubted his ministry, his divinity. THIS in NO way makes your case and shows you do NOT know what you are talking about. the scriptures here prove your claims INCORRECT.

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This has NOTHING to do with EARLY CHRISTIANS.


You are not paying attention.   We are not at the moment talking about the early Christians.   We are talking about the Jews, including those of Jesus' day.    2a below.  Which you claimed was incorrect in post 94.    But we are all good now on all of the below, yes?


1.Jewish scripture is the Word of God.

2.Jewish scripture was studied by Jew, both those faithful to God, and even those not.  

        2a. Be it among the Pharisees, or among the general folk.  We see this in the gospels, and in the book of Acts, not just the OT.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:26-05-2018 12:26:37Copy HTML

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John 5:39    You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me,


One of many verses, just in the gospels.


THIS quote by Jesus is NOT about the EARLY Christians. He was speaking to Jews who doubted his ministry, his divinity. THIS in NO way makes your case and shows you do NOT know what you are talking about. the scriptures here prove your claims INCORRECT.

.

This has NOTHING to do with EARLY CHRISTIANS.


You are not paying attention.   We are not at the moment talking about the early Christians.   We are talking about the Jews, including those of Jesus' day.    2a below.  Which you claimed was incorrect in post 94.    But we are all good now on all of the below, yes?


1.Jewish scripture is the Word of God.

2.Jewish scripture was studied by Jew, both those faithful to God, and even those not.  

        2a. Be it among the Pharisees, or among the general folk.  We see this in the gospels, and in the book of Acts, not just the OT.


No, we are NOT talking about the Jews. we are talking about the Early Christians who YOU say engaed inan activity they did  not engage in and you have nothing to back that.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:26-05-2018 01:15:35Copy HTML

We have been talking about both.  Earlier, you took objection to 2a, yes?


1.Jewish scripture is the Word of God.

2.Jewish scripture was studied by Jew, both those faithful to God, and even those not.  

        2a. Be it among the Pharisees, or among the general folk.  We see this in the gospels, and in the book of Acts, not just the OT.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:26-05-2018 03:07:12Copy HTML

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We have been talking about both.  Earlier, you took objection to 2a, yes?


1.Jewish scripture is the Word of God.

2.Jewish scripture was studied by Jew, both those faithful to God, and even those not.  

        2a. Be it among the Pharisees, or among the general folk.  We see this in the gospels, and in the book of Acts, not just the OT.


We are talking about the Early Christians who YOU say engaed inan activity they did  not engage in and you have nothing to back that.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:26-05-2018 03:26:23Copy HTML

Maybe because you were gone a few days, you lost track of how the discussion was moving.  So lets back up.

Are we in agreement with the below now?

1.Jewish scripture is the Word of God.

2.Jewish scripture was studied by Jew, both those faithful to God, and even those not.   

              2a. Be it among the Pharisees, or among the general folk.  We see this in the gospels (John 5:39 for example), and in the book of Acts, not just the OT.  

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:27-05-2018 10:14:57Copy HTML

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Maybe because you were gone a few days, you lost track of how the discussion was moving.  So lets back up.

Are we in agreement with the below now?

1.Jewish scripture is the Word of God.

2.Jewish scripture was studied by Jew, both those faithful to God, and even those not.   

              2a. Be it among the Pharisees, or among the general folk.  We see this in the gospels (John 5:39 for example), and in the book of Acts, not just the OT.  


Jews studied the Jewish Scriptures BUT the early Christians were NOT engaged in vigorous "bible study". While the Early Christians had many Jewish converts, their focus was NOT on scriptures OR the study of them as the Jews had done.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:27-05-2018 10:25:12Copy HTML

Actually, the early Christians were only Jews in the beginning, yes?
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:27-05-2018 10:28:33Copy HTML

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Actually, the early Christians were only Jews in the beginning, yes?

Actually in the first few years BUT when the Spirit poured over them, they did not remain Jewish , nor was it necessary to continue in their old customs. And VERY soon after, Gentiles were also converts and it remains that Early Christians did NOT engage in "bible study" as you have distorted. They all received God's word through PREACHING and the receiving of the Spirit.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:27-05-2018 07:21:36Copy HTML

We are not talking about their customs, but their respect towards Scripture.   What makes you think Godly Jews stopped studying Scripture?   Where in the Book of Acts do you see that, out of curiosity?
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:27-05-2018 07:24:57Copy HTML

They all received God's word through PREACHING and the receiving of the Spirit.

Where did the preachers obtain their thoughts to preach?

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:27-05-2018 07:47:17Copy HTML

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We are not talking about their customs, but their respect towards Scripture.   What makes you think Godly Jews stopped studying Scripture?   Where in the Book of Acts do you see that, out of curiosity?


Firstly whatever Jews did BEFORE Pentecost in 33 AD has no bearing on what Early Christians did AFTER Pentecost. The scriptures were REFERRED to since the Jews who now accepted Christ were familiar with them BUT they did not pour over them in extensive study, as they did when they were Jews.

" Before he was taken up, he gave instructions by the power of the Holy Spirit to the men he had chosen as his apostles. For forty days after his death he appeared to them many times in ways that proved beyond doubt that he was alive. They saw him, and he talked with them about the Kingdom of God.And when they came together,[a] he gave them this order: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift I told you about, the gift my Father promised.John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” ( Acts 1:2-5)

But when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, you will be filled with power, and you will be witnesses for me in Jerusalem, in all of Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” After saying this, he was taken up to heaven as they watched him, and a cloud hid him from their sight." (ACTS 1:8-9)

 When the day of Pentecost came, all the believers were gathered together in one place. Suddenly there was a noise from the sky which sounded like a strong wind blowing, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then they saw what looked like tongues of fire which spread out and touched each person there. 4 They were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to talk in other languages, as the Spirit enabled them to speak."

(ACTS 2:2-4)

Etc Etc

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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:27-05-2018 07:48:20Copy HTML

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They all received God's word through PREACHING and the receiving of the Spirit.

Where did the preachers obtain their thoughts to preach?


You don't really want an answer because you do not accept the reality of God BUT I would suggest you open AND READ the New Testament for answers that you ridicule.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:27-05-2018 08:01:45Copy HTML

Um, Wale, none of the verses you quoted say anything about them having stopped studying scripture.


Folk today study the scripture and are also filled with the Holy Spirit.   True?

Besides, 2 Timothy 3:16 Paul well after this event stresses the important of the scriptures (which you said are Jewish scriptures).

14 But you remain in the things which you have learned and have been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them.
15 From infancy, you have known the sacred writings which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith, which is in Christ Jesus.
16 Every writing inspired by God is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction which is in righteousness,
17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. 

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:27-05-2018 08:12:40Copy HTML

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Um, Wale, none of the verses you quoted say anything about them having stopped studying scripture.


Folk today study the scripture and are also filled with the Holy Spirit.   True?

Besides, 2 Timothy 3:16 Paul well after this event stresses the important of the scriptures (which you said are Jewish scriptures).

14 But you remain in the things which you have learned and have been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them.
15 From infancy, you have known the sacred writings which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith, which is in Christ Jesus.
16 Every writing inspired by God is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction which is in righteousness,
17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work


1- When a person says 'umm' at the beginning of a spoken sentence, it sounds dumb.
For a person to go out of their way to write it into a sentence, mimicking the misspeak of our uneducated youth, it is ruins any semblance of intelligent credibility!!

2- Folks TODAY do study scripture BUT Your earlier premise was the Early Christians engaged in BIBLE STUDY and they did NOT.

3- You did not cite each passage as I have done for you tyo properly put the line into context, so your misinterpretation can be corrected.

4- 2 tim 3:16 DOES say scripture is profitable for  teaching and correction BUT that doesn't not mean the Early Christians engaged in BIBLE STUDY as you stated.

Ephesians 1:16-17  (GNT)-16 I have not stopped giving thanks to God for you. I remember you in my prayers 17 and ask the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, to give you the Spirit, who will make you wise and reveal God to you, so that you will know him.


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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:27-05-2018 08:18:52Copy HTML

Again, none of the verses you quoted say they stopped studying scripture.   What the Spirit does is He helps us understand the Scripture. 

Just as today.  He is not replacing scripture.

And again, 2 Timothy 3:16 agrees with that.   Scripture studying is important.  And there is no reason to think they studied scripture, then stopped, then started again.   The scripture Timothy has known from infancy which Paul says is able to make  us wise for salvation, etc.


14 But you remain in the things which you have learned and have been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them.
15 From infancy, you have known the sacred writings which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith, which is in Christ Jesus.
16 Every writing inspired by God is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction which is in righteousness,
17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:27-05-2018 08:41:35Copy HTML

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Again, none of the verses you quoted say they stopped studying scripture.   What the Spirit does is He helps us understand the Scripture. 

Just as today.  He is not replacing scripture.

And again, 2 Timothy 3:16 agrees with that.   Scripture studying is important.  And there is no reason to think they studied scripture, then stopped, then started again.   The scripture Timothy has known from infancy which Paul says is able to make  us wise for salvation, etc.


14 But you remain in the things which you have learned and have been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them.
15 From infancy, you have known the sacred writings which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith, which is in Christ Jesus.
16 Every writing inspired by God is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction which is in righteousness,
17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work


Once again you offer NO evidence, only your own misinterpretation. The NT in other areas detyails that what they did as Jews was NOT a requisite nor necessary as Christians as once the Spirit descended on them at Pentecost, they were no longer BOUND by the OT laws. Christ fulfilled them. What was also not necessary as Early Christians was the 'bible study' that you incorrectly suppose CONTINUED, as they did not carry ON as Jews. I gave you a SAMPLE from EPHESIANS as to how the Lord revealed TRUTH to them, not by the printed word.


MORE PASSAGES TO LOOK UP:

Acts 2:3-4 – the Holy Spirit came to the apostles in the form of “tongues” of fire so that they would “speak” (not just write) the Word.

Acts 15:27 – Judas and Silas, successors to the apostles, were sent to bring God’s infallible Word by “word of mouth.”

Rom. 10:8 – the Word is near you, on your lips and in your heart, which is the word of faith which is preached (not just written).

Rom. 10:17 – faith comes by what is “heard”  which is the Word that is “preached” . This word comes from the oral tradition of the apostles.

1 Cor. 15:1,11 – faith comes from what is “preached” .

Gal. 1:11-12 – the Gospel which is “preached” is not a man’s Gospel, but the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Eph. 1:13 – hearing (not reading) the Word of truth is the gospel of our salvation. This is the living word in the Church’s living tradition.

Col. 1:5 – of this you have “heard” (not read) before in the word of truth, the Gospel which has come to you.

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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:27-05-2018 08:53:15Copy HTML

they were no longer BOUND by the OT laws

And where did I say they were?

If you misinterpret what I am saying, is it possible you are doing so with your interpretation of the Scripture.  You are assuming Scripture and the Holy Spirit are exclusive.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:27-05-2018 09:01:40Copy HTML

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they were no longer BOUND by the OT laws

And where did I say they were?

If you misinterpret what I am saying, is it possible you are doing so with your interpretation of the Scripture.  You are assuming Scripture and the Holy Spirit are exclusive.


I STATED that fact to you, not misinterpreted that you said that.

MORE FOR YOU:

"I will give you utterance and wisdom which none of your opponents will be able to resist or refute", Luke 21:12-15 shows that the norm for the first 20 years of the church was NOT scriptural study.


1 Corinthians 11:2 Revised Standard Version (RSV) I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you.

(not from scriptural study but from THE SPIRIT-revealed tradition before the books of the NT were written)

"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us." 2 Thessalonians 2:15 (even the letters written to support the oral teaching of the time was just that , further articulation. NOT BIBLE STUDY)


Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #119
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:27-05-2018 09:05:34Copy HTML

they were no longer BOUND by the OT laws

And where did I say they were?  You did not show where.


And if I may ask - how long have you been born again?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #120
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:27-05-2018 09:09:11Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

they were no longer BOUND by the OT laws

And where did I say they were?  You did not show where.


And if I may ask - how long have you been born again?


I STATED that fact to you, not misinterpreted that you said that.
You are dodging now.

YOU have to answer to The Lord for your dishonesty , not to me. YOU, as a professed Christian have an obligation to get it right and not distort. YOUR repeated going in circles wont shield you from the Lord who sees your obfuscation.

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