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Tomlapaz
  • From:USA

Date Posted:30-04-2018 12:56:24

Below is a good piece on Acts 2:42, on what makes for a health church.  In fact, the church growth was explosive in the book of Acts.

04/09/18  Grace Mail

"All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer" (Acts 2:42).

In Acts 2:42, we read that was the priority of the early church: Bible study, fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayer.

One of our sister churches that we actually helped to start are meeting in a school, where they have to set up and tear down every Sunday morning. They have to pack everything in a trailer. As I was thinking about that, I was thinking of how many things they don't have. You think, "Doesn't a church have to have certain kinds of buildings?" "Don't they have to have certain types of furnishings?" "Don't you need a cross somewhere?" "Don't you need a steeple someplace?" "Don't you need a gymnasium and a golf course, and a pool?"

I think of what the early church didn't have and it was so successful! The early church didn't have any of that stuff. It didn't even have the stuff we have. And yet, people were getting saved, and it was more successful in the first century than the church has ever been since.

The Gospel went out into the entire world, and all they had was Bible study, fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayer.

So, I think that everything that a church does ought to center around one of those four things. We ought to be able to trace everything we do at Calvary back to the fact that it's either Bible study, it's a fellowship opportunity, it's the breaking of bread (which I believe speaks of the Lord's Supper prominent in services and available to people), and/or prayer. Everything should come back to that. Those are the priorities. If you can get to other things; they're not wrong, but these are the things a church ought to focus on.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:27-05-2018 10:28:24

Reply to wale63

Reply to Tomlapaz

they were no longer BOUND by the OT laws

And where did I say they were?  You did not show where.


And if I may ask - how long have you been born again?


I STATED that fact to you, not misinterpreted that you said that.
You are dodging now.

YOU have to answer to The Lord for your dishonesty , not to me. YOU, as a professed Christian have an obligation to get it right and not distort. YOUR repeated going in circles wont shield you from the Lord who sees your obfuscation.


If you stated it as a fact - why then did you?    I was not claiming they were bound by the OT laws.   
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:27-05-2018 10:33:21

Reply to Yobbo

They all received God's word through PREACHING and the receiving of the Spirit.

Where did the preachers obtain their thoughts to preach?


Wale's suggestion is the best answer there.   To clarify - read the Scriptures.  It is what God's spirit uses to give us understanding.

But the answer in short - see Romans 3:2.  2 Peter 1:20 - 21.   Hebrews chapter 1. 

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:28-05-2018 01:37:54

Reply to Tomlapaz

Reply to wale63

Reply to Tomlapaz

they were no longer BOUND by the OT laws

And where did I say they were?  You did not show where.


And if I may ask - how long have you been born again?


I STATED that fact to you, not misinterpreted that you said that.
You are dodging now.

YOU have to answer to The Lord for your dishonesty , not to me. YOU, as a professed Christian have an obligation to get it right and not distort. YOUR repeated going in circles wont shield you from the Lord who sees your obfuscation.


If you stated it as a fact - why then did you?    I was not claiming they were bound by the OT laws.   


YOU are getting away from the topic but you are focusing disproportionately on what Jews did prior to Christ and incorrectly concluding that they carried the same practices into Early Christianity and they did not. Once Christ poured his spirit on them at Pentecost , they received the WORD , and the words Orally and NOT by "studying scripture". it was DIRECTLY revealed to them by the SPIRIT.

Ephesians 1:16-17  (NIV)

16 I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. 17 I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit[a] of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better.

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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:28-05-2018 02:26:55

This started with the verse below, and your objection to my (well, not mine, but the pastor's) use of the phase 'Bible Study', yes?

And then moving specifically to 'scripture', yes?

"All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer" (Acts 2:42).



And, as an aside, you know what has me really curious here?   Why this topic gets you so worked up?   Talking about it is fine - but not every topic in the Bible is of equal importance, true?   Disagreeing over Jesus being God in the flesh, or though Him alone can we be saved - those would be reason even for not fellowshipping, for example.   But this topic? - I think we both agree that it is important for Christians today to study scripture.  So the disagreement is not even on that, but on what the early Christians did with scripture.


Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:28-05-2018 02:36:06

Reply to Tomlapaz

This started with the verse below, and your objection to my (well, not mine, but the pastor's) use of the phase 'Bible Study', yes?

And then moving specifically to 'scripture', yes?

"All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer" (Acts 2:42).



And, as an aside, you know what has me really curious here?   Why this topic gets you so worked up?   Talking about it is fine - but not every topic in the Bible is of equal importance, true?   Disagreeing over Jesus being God in the flesh, or though Him alone can we be saved - those would be reason even for not fellowshipping, for example.   But this topic? - I think we both agree that it is important for Christians today to study scripture.  So the disagreement is not even on that, but on what the early Christians did with scripture.


It is YOUR responsibility as a Christian to transmit CORRECT information and not distortions, Your thread began with insistence, as well as subsequent posts, that Early Christians engaged in BIBLE STUDY.
If that is your pastor's 'teaching' about BIBLE STUDY for early Christians, he is WRONG. All the rationalization will not change that. the NT shows CLEARLY:

John 16:13-15  (NIV)

13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”

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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:28-05-2018 02:46:26

It is true that correct information should be transmitted.   I have no objection to you then challenging the OP.

But it is also true that not all information, even biblical information, carries the same weight, true?   Would you get as upset if your kid was told that his favorite candy was on sale, and it was not, as compared to your kid being told it is safe to drink poison, for example? 

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:28-05-2018 03:06:51

Reply to Tomlapaz

It is true that correct information should be transmitted.   I have no objection to you then challenging the OP.

But it is also true that not all information, even biblical information, carries the same weight, true?   Would you get as upset if your kid was told that his favorite candy was on sale, and it was not, as compared to your kid being told it is safe to drink poison, for example? 


Has nothing to do with the thread or your posts. YOU stated that Early Christians engaged in BIBLE STUDY and that isn't the case by many standards. YOU should take it upon yourself to re-read the NT over some months and then see where you made your errors.

The transmission by the APOSTLES to the EARLY Christians was NOT by reading intensely but by PREACHING as the verses I providd for you earlier point oyut, BACKED by the power of the SPIRIT through God revealing to us by preavching, ESPECIALLY in the early formation of the Church and then the APOSTLES wrote LETTERS to support what they PREACHED.

Titus 1:10-11 (GNT)- 10 For there are many, especially the converts from Judaism, who rebel and deceive others with their nonsense.

Titus 2:11  (NIV) - 11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 (NIV)-13 And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe.




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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:28-05-2018 03:22:00

The thing is - you sound angry, and not just on this topic.   I have seen some other threads.  

And either way, when we treat all topics equally as to importance, then what can happen is nothing comes across as important.


Of course, we all on this forum fall prey to that - it is actually contagious I think - but as the scripture exhorts us (and particularly for those who take it seriously):

A gentle answer turns away wrath.   Proverbs 15:1.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:New_zealand

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:29-05-2018 01:42:22

The main requirement is a very gullible audience.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:29-05-2018 02:33:57

Reply to Yobbo

The main requirement is a very gullible audience.

You will get to make your case before the Judge soon enough.
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:29-05-2018 09:11:37

Or not.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "[i]If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn.,[/i]" -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:29-05-2018 09:47:22

Reply to Tomlapaz

The thing is - you sound angry, and not just on this topic.   I have seen some other threads.  

And either way, when we treat all topics equally as to importance, then what can happen is nothing comes across as important.


Of course, we all on this forum fall prey to that - it is actually contagious I think - but as the scripture exhorts us (and particularly for those who take it seriously):

A gentle answer turns away wrath.   Proverbs 15:1.


You are deflecting and obfuscating from what your error is and the fact is that the same judge you just told Yobbo about is going to judge YOU about your inability to admit your errors AND you continual efforts to cover up those errors rather than just recognize them and adjust.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:29-05-2018 09:49:31

Reply to Bogus0Pomp

Or not.


TRANSLATION

" I boguspumped require a false existence and a false truth to be able to continue to live with the alternate reality I exist in"

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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:29-05-2018 09:50:35

Reply to Yobbo

The main requirement is a very gullible audience.

THIS is only a flawed conclusion you come to because YOU reject the TRUTH and REALITY of the EXISTENCE of God,
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:29-05-2018 10:22:44

Reply to wale63

Reply to Tomlapaz

The thing is - you sound angry, and not just on this topic.   I have seen some other threads.  

And either way, when we treat all topics equally as to importance, then what can happen is nothing comes across as important.


Of course, we all on this forum fall prey to that - it is actually contagious I think - but as the scripture exhorts us (and particularly for those who take it seriously):

A gentle answer turns away wrath.   Proverbs 15:1.


You are deflecting and obfuscating from what your error is and the fact is that the same judge you just told Yobbo about is going to judge YOU about your inability to admit your errors AND you continual efforts to cover up those errors rather than just recognize them and adjust.


Pride goes before the fall, guy.

You, Yobbo, Bogus and I will all stand before our Creator one day, it is true.   Whether Jesus is our Advocate or not is the primary question.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:29-05-2018 12:19:59

Reply to Tomlapaz

Reply to wale63

Reply to Tomlapaz

The thing is - you sound angry, and not just on this topic.   I have seen some other threads.  

And either way, when we treat all topics equally as to importance, then what can happen is nothing comes across as important.


Of course, we all on this forum fall prey to that - it is actually contagious I think - but as the scripture exhorts us (and particularly for those who take it seriously):

A gentle answer turns away wrath.   Proverbs 15:1.


You are deflecting and obfuscating from what your error is and the fact is that the same judge you just told Yobbo about is going to judge YOU about your inability to admit your errors AND you continual efforts to cover up those errors rather than just recognize them and adjust.


Pride goes before the fall, guy.

You, Yobbo, Bogus and I will all stand before our Creator one day, it is true.   Whether Jesus is our Advocate or not is the primary question.

Not at all, AGAIN obfuscation and you cannot hide you unwillingness to accept your errors behind Jesus, compounding the obfuscation.

Titus 1:10-11 (GNT)- 10 For there are many, especially the converts from Judaism, who rebel and deceive others with their nonsense.

Titus 2:11  (NIV) - 11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 (NIV)-13 And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe.

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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:29-05-2018 01:02:45

Here is the thing - you can tell from the context that this included scripture.  Yes?

"All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer" (Acts 2:42).

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:New_zealand

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:29-05-2018 07:14:31

Reply to wale63



You are deflecting and obfuscating from what your error is and the fact is that the same judge you just told Yobbo about is going to judge  YOU about your inability to admit your errors AND you continual efforts to cover up those errors rather than just recognize them and adjust.

This (the above) rather badly composed sentence applies to both of you.  Neither of you directly answer a question put to you and your only retort boils down to insulting the questioner.  And you both ignore any evidence provided if your blind faith can't answer.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:30-05-2018 01:50:48

Reply to Tomlapaz

Here is the thing - you can tell from the context that this included scripture.  Yes?

"All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer" (Acts 2:42).


NO, even if we gave you a 'yes ONLY for the sake of argument, there is NOTHING that indicates what YOU had put forth as BIBLE STUDY.

The apostles' teaching was basically oral presentations, as in the MANY epistle passages I provided earlier.

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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:30-05-2018 01:55:12

Reply to Yobbo

Reply to wale63



You are deflecting and obfuscating from what your error is and the fact is that the same judge you just told Yobbo about is going to judge  YOU about your inability to admit your errors AND you continual efforts to cover up those errors rather than just recognize them and adjust.

This (the above) rather badly composed sentence applies to both of you.  Neither of you directly answer a question put to you and your only retort boils down to insulting the questioner.  And you both ignore any evidence provided if your blind faith can't answer.

I've answered directly , ONLY YOU don't like the answers given as they do NOT conform to HOW you want them answered. The insults come from the absurd conclusions you draw from the most absurd reasoning.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:30-05-2018 03:19:53

Reply to wale63

Reply to Tomlapaz

Here is the thing - you can tell from the context that this included scripture.  Yes?

"All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer" (Acts 2:42).


NO, even if we gave you a 'yes ONLY for the sake of argument, there is NOTHING that indicates what YOU had put forth as BIBLE STUDY.

The apostles' teaching was basically oral presentations, as in the MANY epistle passages I provided earlier.


The verse quoted is in chapter 2.  So would it be fair to say that an example of the apostle's teaching is what we saw preached in chapter 2?
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:New_zealand

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:30-05-2018 05:27:58

Reply to wale63

Reply to Yobbo

They all received God's word through PREACHING and the receiving of the Spirit.

Where did the preachers obtain their thoughts to preach?


You don't really want an answer because you do not accept the reality of God BUT I would suggest you open AND READ the New Testament for answers that you ridicule.

What I meant was that the bible was written by a variety of people (that is men).  Where did they get the knowledge?  And how were these thoughts verified as the word of god?

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:New_zealand

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:30-05-2018 05:30:28

Reply to wale63

Reply to Yobbo

They all received God's word through PREACHING and the receiving of the Spirit.

Where did the preachers obtain their thoughts to preach?


You don't really want an answer because you do not accept the reality of God BUT I would suggest you open AND READ the New Testament for answers that you ridicule.

What I meant was that the bible was written by a variety of people (that is men).  Where did they get the knowledge?  And how were these thoughts verified as the word of god?

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:30-05-2018 12:07:14

Reply to Yobbo

Reply to wale63

Reply to Yobbo

They all received God's word through PREACHING and the receiving of the Spirit.

Where did the preachers obtain their thoughts to preach?


You don't really want an answer because you do not accept the reality of God BUT I would suggest you open AND READ the New Testament for answers that you ridicule.

What I meant was that the bible was written by a variety of people (that is men).  Where did they get the knowledge?  And how were these thoughts verified as the word of god?


You don't accept the explanation BUT they were inspired by God. these thoughts are verified by signs contained WITHIN the pages.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:30-05-2018 12:21:20

Reply to Tomlapaz

Reply to wale63

Reply to Tomlapaz

Here is the thing - you can tell from the context that this included scripture.  Yes?

"All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer" (Acts 2:42).


NO, even if we gave you a 'yes ONLY for the sake of argument, there is NOTHING that indicates what YOU had put forth as BIBLE STUDY.

The apostles' teaching was basically oral presentations, as in the MANY epistle passages I provided earlier.


The verse quoted is in chapter 2.  So would it be fair to say that an example of the apostle's teaching is what we saw preached in chapter 2?

Yes, an example would be what they preached in Ch. 2 BUT at the time they preached what was later written, there was no writing and they preached ORALLY.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:30-05-2018 10:59:04

Everything he preached was not yet written?
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:31-05-2018 09:26:11

Reply to Tomlapaz

Everything he preached was not yet written?


With the exception of when they referenced, and I emphasize REFERENCED the writings later categorized in the OT. There were NO NT writings extant, when they began to preach in 33AD. They preached from an oral construct. In CHRONOLOGICAL order, preaching begab after Pentecost 33AD, The epistles were written a bit  BEFORE the Gospels were written, to expand on their ORAL preaching, which were written @ 50 AD.Revelation was written @ 90AD.

Now, when they PREACHED and referenced, the OT writings, they did not have 'notes" with them as they preached by means of the power of the Spirit, as Jesus did when he referenced the same writings. it was not like a speaker of today who brings notes to a podium.

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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:31-05-2018 09:52:11

The point is, as we see in chapter 2 - apostolic teaching included scripture.   All they had was the Jewish scripture of course - nothing new had yet been added to the scripture since about 400 BC.

But nevertheless, apostolic teaching included scripture.   So we are good there, yes?


"All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer" (Acts 2:42).

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:31-05-2018 09:56:36

Reply to Tomlapaz

The point is, as we see in chapter 2 - apostolic teaching included scripture.   All they had was the Jewish scripture of course - nothing new had yet been added to the scripture since about 400 BC.

But nevertheless, apostolic teaching included scripture.   So we are good there, yes?


"All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer" (Acts 2:42).


No, you want to give it more weight than actually is. They REFERENCED them, BUT the SOURCE of their ORAL preaching was the SPIRIT, who also gave them the words for the GOSPEL (good news) of Jesus and what acceptance of HIM  means. YOU are really stuck on not wanting to be corrected from whatever is driving you to your errors.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:31-05-2018 12:21:46

In chapter 2, the passages are not simply referenced - they were part of the teaching Peter was giving, the basis even. 

Peter was not simply showing off his 'memory' verses, so to speak - you are giving the passages less weight then they clearly had there.   His message was based on the passages he quoted. 

We see this with Jesus post resurrection, we see it with Paul - including in several of his epistles - and so on. 

And yes, the Spirit was bringing those passages alive - but the Spirit used those passages (but not alone - try and pay attention to that) - to lead many to repentance.  

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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