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Tomlapaz
  • From:USA

Date Posted:30-04-2018 12:56:24

Below is a good piece on Acts 2:42, on what makes for a health church.  In fact, the church growth was explosive in the book of Acts.

04/09/18  Grace Mail

"All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer" (Acts 2:42).

In Acts 2:42, we read that was the priority of the early church: Bible study, fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayer.

One of our sister churches that we actually helped to start are meeting in a school, where they have to set up and tear down every Sunday morning. They have to pack everything in a trailer. As I was thinking about that, I was thinking of how many things they don't have. You think, "Doesn't a church have to have certain kinds of buildings?" "Don't they have to have certain types of furnishings?" "Don't you need a cross somewhere?" "Don't you need a steeple someplace?" "Don't you need a gymnasium and a golf course, and a pool?"

I think of what the early church didn't have and it was so successful! The early church didn't have any of that stuff. It didn't even have the stuff we have. And yet, people were getting saved, and it was more successful in the first century than the church has ever been since.

The Gospel went out into the entire world, and all they had was Bible study, fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayer.

So, I think that everything that a church does ought to center around one of those four things. We ought to be able to trace everything we do at Calvary back to the fact that it's either Bible study, it's a fellowship opportunity, it's the breaking of bread (which I believe speaks of the Lord's Supper prominent in services and available to people), and/or prayer. Everything should come back to that. Those are the priorities. If you can get to other things; they're not wrong, but these are the things a church ought to focus on.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:31-05-2018 03:53:22

Reply to Tomlapaz

In chapter 2, the passages are not simply referenced - they were part of the teaching Peter was giving, the basis even. 

Peter was not simply showing off his 'memory' verses, so to speak - you are giving the passages less weight then they clearly had there.   His message was based on the passages he quoted. 

We see this with Jesus post resurrection, we see it with Paul - including in several of his epistles - and so on. 

And yes, the Spirit was bringing those passages alive - but the Spirit used those passages (but not alone - try and pay attention to that) - to lead many to repentance.  


THIS, IN NO WAY supports your earlier assertion that the Early Apostles engaged in "BIBLE STUDY".

In CH2, PETER was REFERENCING the Scriptures because he was speaking to Jews to give a reference point, motivated by the SPIRIT. BUT NOT BIBLE STUDY as you erroneously said EARLIER. The MAIN focus was NOT the scriptures BUT that Jesus came as God incarnate.

Chapter 2 is NOT the entirety of the New Testament, neither is it the entirety of the Book of Acts.

Acts 2:42  (KJV)

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

NO BIBLE STUDY so YOU are STILL obfuscating and digging a further hole that the Lord sees you doing continually.

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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:01-06-2018 02:53:50

What was said about the Bereans in Act 17:11, and why?

(and again, the verse under discussion is in chapter 2 - so what goes on in that chapter and before bears on that verse)

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #153
  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:01-06-2018 10:45:41

Reply to Tomlapaz

What was said about the Bereans in Act 17:11, and why?

(and again, the verse under discussion is in chapter 2 - so what goes on in that chapter and before bears on that verse)

HERE is the King James Version

Acts 17:11  (KJV)

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so

Whichever translation is used, the point that is being conveyed is that while Paul was there PREACHING, they did SEARCH the scriptures in order to VERIFY what he was saying was aligned with God's word and/or TRUE. BUT this still is NOT BIBLE STUDY as you portrayed. Opening to references a passage OR passages is just that and NOT the BIBLE STUDY you claim ALL Early Christians did because ALL Early Christians did not do this and even in THIS passage it was for reference, not for intensive BIBLE STUDY which was NOT a majority of the portion of time spent by Early Christians. You'll have to try harder than this to establish what really didn't exist.

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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:02-06-2018 03:57:32

You are playing with words guy.   Not sure if you doing it consciously or not.


Out of curiosity - how do you see the 2nd coming of Jesus playing out?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #155
  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:02-06-2018 06:59:57

Reply to Tomlapaz

You are playing with words guy.   Not sure if you doing it consciously or not.


Out of curiosity - how do you see the 2nd coming of Jesus playing out?


Not playing with words at all. READING the words in total and understanding and yet here you are continuing to claim to be A Christian BUT continuing to obfuscate and distort and thinking that somehow God doesn't see this , rather than just admit your error ( and the person you keep going back to to support your distortion).

Referencing the scriptures is NOT studying the scriptures, rather using it to illustrate points. when you attend services on Sunday and the speaker says something like" please turn to page.... and look at passage..., that is NOT at all BIBLE STUDY, rather using the scriptures to illustrate a point and enhance that point or points.

TO THIS POINT YOU HAVE PROVIDED NO VERSES THAT SHOW BIBLE STUDY, as you put it , to be a large part of what EARLY Christians gathered for.

(Early Christianity being from 33AD to 100AD to the time of the Apostolic Fathers).

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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:02-06-2018 08:51:58

You seem to have a fluid definition of 'study' for example - seems to be a bit of a moving target.

Maybe it would help if you specifically defined what you mean by 'study'.


Meanwhile, Out of curiosity - how do you see the 2nd coming of Jesus playing out?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #157
  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:03-06-2018 04:18:29

Reply to Tomlapaz

You seem to have a fluid definition of 'study' for example - seems to be a bit of a moving target.

Maybe it would help if you specifically defined what you mean by 'study'.


Meanwhile, Out of curiosity - how do you see the 2nd coming of Jesus playing out?


Back from the person giving you these many flawed points? Since YOU made the claim that they engaged in 'BIBLE STUDY' YOU define it.

Your question about the second coming is a deflection and you really ought to stop deflecting and obfuscating IF YOU REALLY ARE A CHRISTIAN because you would fear the LORD SEEING YOUR UNDERHANDEDNESS.

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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:03-06-2018 06:12:55

Actually, since you took issue with the expression, and were seeking to explain why it is problematic - would you not want to be clear as to what you are actually talking about?    I looked up on an online dictionary, and frankly, again, not seeing why this is such a major issue for you.


And as to the 2nd question - even if it is a deflection (not why I asked but lets roll with it) - why would it be problematic to answer it anyway?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:03-06-2018 08:17:02

Reply to Tomlapaz

Actually, since you took issue with the expression, and were seeking to explain why it is problematic - would you not want to be clear as to what you are actually talking about?    I looked up on an online dictionary, and frankly, again, not seeing why this is such a major issue for you.


And as to the 2nd question - even if it is a deflection (not why I asked but lets roll with it) - why would it be problematic to answer it anyway?


Last point first, because YOU are deflecting and never really answer anything, only bringing up more questions.  Second, I took issue with YOUR using a term to portray something that wasn't, namely this idea of BIBLE STUDY which you have yet to concretely defend AND it is YOU playing word games.

REMEMBER, Jesus see EVRYTHING you are doing, even within your own mind and HE sees your continual distortions.

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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:03-06-2018 08:23:47

Second, I took issue with YOUR using a term to portray something that wasn't, namely this idea of BIBLE STUDY


Well, since you refuse to define what you mean by Bible Study, and since we don't have the definition of what the Pastor who wrote the devotional means (we can only assume), does seem to be more semantics. 

 We both agree that many Jews did study the Jewish scriptures, and that had not changed by Acts 2, so not really sure what your actual objection has been on that score.


As to the other questions (some never answered) - trying to determine where you are coming from.  You come across harsh, not gracious - continuously.  Not just here - and I am ok with it, as I can blow that off - but with those who do not know Jesus.


Colossians 4:6 6Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:03-06-2018 08:31:49

Reply to Tomlapaz

Second, I took issue with YOUR using a term to portray something that wasn't, namely this idea of BIBLE STUDY


Well, since you refuse to define what you mean by Bible Study, and since we don't have the definition of what the Pastor who wrote the devotional means (we can only assume), does seem to be more semantics. 

 We both agree that many Jews did study the Jewish scriptures, and that had not changed by Acts 2, so not really sure what your actual objection has been on that score.


As to the other questions (some never answered) - trying to determine where you are coming from.  You come across harsh, not gracious - continuously.  Not just here - and I am ok with it, as I can blow that off - but with those who do not know Jesus.


Colossians 4:6 6Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.


YOU are the one continuing to play with the term as you then tried to pas of as Jewish Scriptures and they engaged in studying Jewish scripture, etc.

The Jews HAD studied the Jewish Scriptures by the time they became converts to Christianity and  the practice and focus of EARLY Christians was not centered around the scriptures, which os what YOU would have all believe, and THAT is a distortion.

With your last statement , you are ONCE again deflecting away from your error about the BIBLE STUDY which was not the focus of the Early Christians. period. This statement which started the thread is in error

" We ought to be able to trace everything we do at Calvary back to the fact that it's either Bible study, it's a fellowship opportunity, it's the breaking of bread (which I believe speaks of the Lord's Supper prominent in services and available to people), and/or prayer. "

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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:03-06-2018 08:47:52

Acts 2 reference to apostolic teachings included the Jewish Scriptures.   That is the bottom line.  That is all the scripture that they had at that time.  Of course today, we have the New Testament scripture - which interestingly, often requires an understanding of the Old Testament scripture to know what is being talked about.    As per the example of the Bereans - they searched (which included study - they were not using Cliff notes or Google).    Your objections only can make sense if you are referring to 'studying' in some way that is not apparently clear here.


"All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer" (Acts 2:42).

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #163
  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:03-06-2018 08:55:07

Reply to Tomlapaz

Acts 2 reference to apostolic teachings included the Jewish Scriptures.   That is the bottom line.  That is all the scripture that they had at that time.  Of course today, we have the New Testament scripture - which interestingly, often requires an understanding of the Old Testament scripture to know what is being talked about.    As per the example of the Bereans - they searched (which included study - they were not using Cliff notes or Google).    Your objections only can make sense if you are referring to 'studying' in some way that is not apparently clear here.


"All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer" (Acts 2:42).


Once again YOU used the term BIBLE STUDY as if they sat around pouring over the scriptures and they didn't. The example you gave is a fraction of the entirety of the NT. The apostles' teaching was mostly ORAL PREACHING moved by the Spirit.

You Ought to Read the entirety of Corinthians 1& 2.

SAMPLE

1 Corinthians 1:15-20  (KJV)

15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:03-06-2018 10:23:43

In chapter 2, their preaching, via the Holy Spirit, included Jewish scripture, yes?  Of course yes - we see Peter using it by the Holy Spirit.

The Spirit of God uses Scripture - God Breathed scripture - not sure why you object to that so much.


And just out of curiosity - which of those verses you quote actually say that scripture was not studied?   Verse 17 refers to the Gospel for example - have you read chapter 15 of 1 Corinthians when, in stating the gospel, Paul notes it according to the scripture?

Are you actually insisting that the apostles did not themselves study scripture?



And, do you think studying the scripture needs to include a written document?   I have 1 John memorized.  But I cannot study it unless I have it opened up in a book in front of me?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:04-06-2018 12:25:02

Reply to Tomlapaz

In chapter 2, their preaching, via the Holy Spirit, included Jewish scripture, yes?  Of course yes - we see Peter using it by the Holy Spirit.

The Spirit of God uses Scripture - God Breathed scripture - not sure why you object to that so much.


And just out of curiosity - which of those verses you quote actually say that scripture was not studied?   Verse 17 refers to the Gospel for example - have you read chapter 15 of 1 Corinthians when, in stating the gospel, Paul notes it according to the scripture?

Are you actually insisting that the apostles did not themselves study scripture?



And, do you think studying the scripture needs to include a written document?   I have 1 John memorized.  But I cannot study it unless I have it opened up in a book in front of me?


They did NOT use scriptures by "STUDY" as you say. By means of the SPIRIT is by REVELATION, not 'study".

when Paul says 'according' to scripture, ONCE AGIN, he is NOT 'studying' the scriptures but REFERENCING them to an audience already familiar with them. YOU cannot "study" the scripture by recall. CORRECT. Because you just MAY make a mistake in your RECALL.

Apostles did NOT need to "study" the scriptures as the SPIRIT imparted what they needed to at the time they preached.

what escapes you and the person you keep going back to?

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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:04-06-2018 12:41:16

Should Christians today study the Scripture?
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:04-06-2018 01:00:57

Reply to Tomlapaz

Should Christians today study the Scripture?

ABSOLUTELY. But this has nothing to do with your premise that the early Christians engaged in 'bible study'
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:04-06-2018 01:31:35

And by scripture, we are talking about today's Christians studying both the Jewish scripture (what we call the Old Testament), and the New Testament scripture also, yes?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #169
  • From:New_zealand

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:04-06-2018 01:36:45

It is weird that you two, who never explain your thoughts to anyone else do so repeatedly to each other.

why is that?

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:04-06-2018 02:08:59

Reply to Yobbo

It is weird that you two, who never explain your thoughts to anyone else do so repeatedly to each other.

why is that?


Actually, that is not even a true statement.   Why is that?
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:04-06-2018 02:33:10

My guess, though, Yobbo - is that, since you don't have a horse in this race, so to speak - you are not on the defensive, and are thus more open to follow the discussion. 
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:04-06-2018 12:29:42

Reply to Tomlapaz

And by scripture, we are talking about today's Christians studying both the Jewish scripture (what we call the Old Testament), and the New Testament scripture also, yes?


TODAY'S Christians studying both Old Testament and New testament has NOTHING to do with your original assertion that Early Christians engaged in 'BIBLE STUDY'. You are still obfuscating, not good for a professed Christian.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:04-06-2018 12:32:09

Reply to Yobbo

It is weird that you two, who never explain your thoughts to anyone else do so repeatedly to each other.

why is that?


What IS weird is that in a topic that you don't believe in, you are concerned about two other posters on that topic.

Tomlapaz claims to be serious about the topic so we engage, SERIOUSLY.

YOU engage ridiculously , so you are responded to in the same manner.

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  • From:New_zealand

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:04-06-2018 08:46:48

Reply to wale63

Reply to Yobbo

It is weird that you two, who never explain your thoughts to anyone else do so repeatedly to each other.

why is that?


What IS weird is that in a topic that you don't believe in, you are concerned about two other posters on that topic.

Tomlapaz claims to be serious about the topic so we engage, SERIOUSLY.

YOU engage ridiculously , so you are responded to in the same manner.


You mean you can't find fault with what Skwanderer and I say so you resort to childish "what do you know".
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:04-06-2018 10:24:10

Reply to wale63

Reply to Tomlapaz

And by scripture, we are talking about today's Christians studying both the Jewish scripture (what we call the Old Testament), and the New Testament scripture also, yes?


TODAY'S Christians studying both Old Testament and New testament has NOTHING to do with your original assertion that Early Christians engaged in 'BIBLE STUDY'. You are still obfuscating, not good for a professed Christian.

Nevertheless, that Christians should study scripture refers to both the Jewish Scripture, and the New Testament, yes?
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:05-06-2018 09:46:46

Reply to Tomlapaz

Reply to wale63

Reply to Tomlapaz

And by scripture, we are talking about today's Christians studying both the Jewish scripture (what we call the Old Testament), and the New Testament scripture also, yes?


TODAY'S Christians studying both Old Testament and New testament has NOTHING to do with your original assertion that Early Christians engaged in 'BIBLE STUDY'. You are still obfuscating, not good for a professed Christian.

Nevertheless, that Christians should study scripture refers to both the Jewish Scripture, and the New Testament, yes?

Yes BUT TODAY'S Christians studying both Old Testament and New testament has NOTHING to do with your original assertion that Early Christians engaged in 'BIBLE STUDY'. You are still obfuscating, not good for a professed Christian.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:05-06-2018 01:17:19

Ok, so we agree that Christians today should be studying both the Old Testament (Jewish Scriptures) and the New Testament.


And the medium by which they access the scripture is moot, as far as studying it, yes?   Be it by a book, a tablet, a recording, etc. true?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:05-06-2018 04:17:33

Reply to Tomlapaz

Ok, so we agree that Christians today should be studying both the Old Testament (Jewish Scriptures) and the New Testament.


And the medium by which they access the scripture is moot, as far as studying it, yes?   Be it by a book, a tablet, a recording, etc. true?


In today's technology there are many mediums to access the text. If you going to lead to, that in the Apostles' time, they accessed it by the Spirit, then you'd be off on that as what they did was NOT BIBLE STUDY.  That was NOT the focus.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:06-06-2018 05:49:15

Nope, not going there.

So, we agree that today:

1.Both Jews and Gentiles make up Christians - people whose faith is in Jesus, Son of God (who died and rose again from the dead, according to the scriptures).

2.Christians should as they can be studying the New Testament.

3.Christians should as they can be studying the Old Testament - known also as the Jewish Scriptures (available at the time of Jesus).

4.They may be doing so by hearing it, by reading it, by reciting it from memory - however they can access it.


We good there?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:06-06-2018 11:40:52

Reply to Tomlapaz

Nope, not going there.

So, we agree that today:

1.Both Jews and Gentiles make up Christians - people whose faith is in Jesus, Son of God (who died and rose again from the dead, according to the scriptures).

2.Christians should as they can be studying the New Testament.

3.Christians should as they can be studying the Old Testament - known also as the Jewish Scriptures (available at the time of Jesus).

4.They may be doing so by hearing it, by reading it, by reciting it from memory - however they can access it.


We good there?


No, number four is wrong. when you gather on Sunday for example , the person speaking REFERENCES the scriptures BUT that is NOT BIBLE STUDY.
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