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Tomlapaz
  • From:USA

Date Posted:30-04-2018 12:56:24

Below is a good piece on Acts 2:42, on what makes for a health church.  In fact, the church growth was explosive in the book of Acts.

04/09/18  Grace Mail

"All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer" (Acts 2:42).

In Acts 2:42, we read that was the priority of the early church: Bible study, fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayer.

One of our sister churches that we actually helped to start are meeting in a school, where they have to set up and tear down every Sunday morning. They have to pack everything in a trailer. As I was thinking about that, I was thinking of how many things they don't have. You think, "Doesn't a church have to have certain kinds of buildings?" "Don't they have to have certain types of furnishings?" "Don't you need a cross somewhere?" "Don't you need a steeple someplace?" "Don't you need a gymnasium and a golf course, and a pool?"

I think of what the early church didn't have and it was so successful! The early church didn't have any of that stuff. It didn't even have the stuff we have. And yet, people were getting saved, and it was more successful in the first century than the church has ever been since.

The Gospel went out into the entire world, and all they had was Bible study, fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayer.

So, I think that everything that a church does ought to center around one of those four things. We ought to be able to trace everything we do at Calvary back to the fact that it's either Bible study, it's a fellowship opportunity, it's the breaking of bread (which I believe speaks of the Lord's Supper prominent in services and available to people), and/or prayer. Everything should come back to that. Those are the priorities. If you can get to other things; they're not wrong, but these are the things a church ought to focus on.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:06-06-2018 01:25:33

Reply to wale63

Reply to Tomlapaz

Nope, not going there.

So, we agree that today:

1.Both Jews and Gentiles make up Christians - people whose faith is in Jesus, Son of God (who died and rose again from the dead, according to the scriptures).

2.Christians should as they can be studying the New Testament.

3.Christians should as they can be studying the Old Testament - known also as the Jewish Scriptures (available at the time of Jesus).

4.They may be doing so by hearing it, by reading it, by reciting it from memory - however they can access it.


We good there?


No, number four is wrong. when you gather on Sunday for example , the person speaking REFERENCES the scriptures BUT that is NOT BIBLE STUDY.

Ah, OK, I see the issue.  It is your personal definition of 'study' then where we differ.
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:06-06-2018 02:27:58

Reply to Tomlapaz

Reply to wale63

Reply to Tomlapaz

Nope, not going there.

So, we agree that today:

1.Both Jews and Gentiles make up Christians - people whose faith is in Jesus, Son of God (who died and rose again from the dead, according to the scriptures).

2.Christians should as they can be studying the New Testament.

3.Christians should as they can be studying the Old Testament - known also as the Jewish Scriptures (available at the time of Jesus).

4.They may be doing so by hearing it, by reading it, by reciting it from memory - however they can access it.


We good there?


No, number four is wrong. when you gather on Sunday for example , the person speaking REFERENCES the scriptures BUT that is NOT BIBLE STUDY.

Ah, OK, I see the issue.  It is your personal definition of 'study' then where we differ.

NO, it is NOT my 'personal' definition of BIBLE STUDY. It is your confusion and misuse of the term and your continual obfuscation that you can't get away from the Lord seeing you engage in.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #183
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:06-06-2018 02:37:11

 ACTS  2:42 - FOUR DIFFERENT TRANSLATIONS - none says BIBLE STUDY, which YOU inserted into the post introducing this thread. Notice the common wording.

 (RSV) 42 And they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers.

 (KJV) 42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

(ESV) 42 And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers.

(GNT) 42 They spent their time in learning from the apostles, taking part in the fellowship, and sharing in the fellowship meals and the prayers.

WHERE exactly did you get the AUTHORITY to substitute YOUR views for the words in the passage?




wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #184
  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:06-06-2018 02:48:22

Reply to Tomlapaz

Below is a good piece on Acts 2:42, on what makes for a health church.  In fact, the church growth was explosive in the book of Acts.

04/09/18  Grace Mail

"All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer" (Acts 2:42).

In Acts 2:42, we read that was the priority of the early church: Bible study, fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayer.

One of our sister churches that we actually helped to start are meeting in a school, where they have to set up and tear down every Sunday morning. They have to pack everything in a trailer. As I was thinking about that, I was thinking of how many things they don't have. You think, "Doesn't a church have to have certain kinds of buildings?" "Don't they have to have certain types of furnishings?" "Don't you need a cross somewhere?" "Don't you need a steeple someplace?" "Don't you need a gymnasium and a golf course, and a pool?"

I think of what the early church didn't have and it was so successful! The early church didn't have any of that stuff. It didn't even have the stuff we have. And yet, people were getting saved, and it was more successful in the first century than the church has ever been since.

The Gospel went out into the entire world, and all they had was Bible study, fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayer.

So, I think that everything that a church does ought to center around one of those four things. We ought to be able to trace everything we do at Calvary back to the fact that it's either Bible study, it's a fellowship opportunity, it's the breaking of bread (which I believe speaks of the Lord's Supper prominent in services and available to people), and/or prayer. Everything should come back to that. Those are the priorities. If you can get to other things; they're not wrong, but these are the things a church ought to focus on.


" They had no Gospels, they had no written record, they had no means of learning anything about the faith which they were now professing except listening to one or other of the original Eleven, with the addition of any of the other ‘old disciples’-that is, early disciples-who might perchance have equal claims to be listened to as ‘witnesses from the beginning.’ We shall very much misunderstand the meaning of the words here, if we suppose that these novices were dosed with theological instruction, or that ‘the Apostles’ doctrine’ consisted of such fully developed truths as we find later on in Paul’s writings...."

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/acts/2-42.htm


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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:07-06-2018 01:10:07

NO, it is NOT my 'personal' definition of BIBLE STUDY.

Yeah it is.    You said #4 was wrong - that illustrates it.   I think that is where we split.  When I look up the definition in one dictionary, for example, #4 is not wrong.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #186
  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:07-06-2018 11:59:10

Reply to Tomlapaz

NO, it is NOT my 'personal' definition of BIBLE STUDY.

Yeah it is.    You said #4 was wrong - that illustrates it.   I think that is where we split.  When I look up the definition in one dictionary, for example, #4 is not wrong.

Au contraire, but # 4 IS wrong.
When You measure all that you've put forth against the NEW Testament, The New testament shows you to be incorrect.

YOU really have to align yourself with God's word and not what YOU are doing to prevent admitting your errors. Once Again , even though YOU don't seem to think so, the LORD is watching your continual efforts to distort because you are too vain to admit you have made a major error.

Do you align with God's word OR with your vanity?

Proverbs 12:1  (GNT)

12 Any who love knowledge want to be told when they are wrong. It is stupid to hate being corrected.


" They had no Gospels, they had no written record, they had no means of learning anything about the faith which they were now professing except listening to one or other of the original Eleven, with the addition of any of the other ‘old disciples’-that is, early disciples-who might perchance have equal claims to be listened to as ‘witnesses from the beginning.’ We shall very much misunderstand the meaning of the words here, if we suppose that these novices were dosed with theological instruction, or that ‘the Apostles’ doctrine’ consisted of such fully developed truths as we find later on in Paul’s writings...."

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/acts/2-42.htm


Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #187
  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:07-06-2018 01:15:06

Remember - we were talking in the context of today's Christians for the four points below.

So if #4 is wrong - you need to explain why in that context.   And specifically what is wrong with #4.


1.Both Jews and Gentiles make up Christians - people whose faith is in Jesus, Son of God  (who died and rose again from the dead, according to the scriptures).

2.Christians should as they can  be studying the New Testament.

3.Christians should as they can  be studying the Old Testament - known also as the Jewish Scriptures (available at the time of Jesus).

4.They may be doing so by hearing it, by reading it, by reciting it from memory - however they can access it.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #188
  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:07-06-2018 09:13:48

Reply to Tomlapaz

Remember - we were talking in the context of today's Christians for the four points below.

So if #4 is wrong - you need to explain why in that context.   And specifically what is wrong with #4.


1.Both Jews and Gentiles make up Christians - people whose faith is in Jesus, Son of God  (who died and rose again from the dead, according to the scriptures).

2.Christians should as they can  be studying the New Testament.

3.Christians should as they can  be studying the Old Testament - known also as the Jewish Scriptures (available at the time of Jesus).

4.They may be doing so by hearing it, by reading it, by reciting it from memory - however they can access it.


Because #4 is NOT BIBLE STUDY in today's setting AND the EARLY Christians did NOT do BIBLE STUDY, just read the passages of any book of the NT.

Just reading something for reference is not STUDY. Just speaking to cite something to reinforce an idea is NOT STUDY.

Now YOU have to provide evidence that Early Christians engaged in Bible Study, other than to twist by saying you looked in a dictionary to bend a word.

I provided ENOUGH material for you to work with that documents the Early christiansd did NOT spend time STUDYING the Bible.

Jesus is watching you and what you do.

Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #189
  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:08-06-2018 02:28:43

Ok, there you go - you are defining what you see as parameters for the word 'study'. 

Now note - I said nothing in #4 about simply referencing scripture.  #4 context are #2 and #3 - they are doing #4 for the purpose of studying, not simple referencing.   You cannot study the scripture without accessing the scripture (whatever mode one does that).

2.Christians should as they can  be studying the New Testament.

3.Christians should as they can  be studying the Old Testament - known also as the Jewish Scriptures (available at the time of Jesus).

4.They may be doing so (ie, studying in the previous two steps) by hearing it, by reading it, by reciting it from memory - however they can access it.


You have a good weekend.  Wife and I are going out of town, to Boston, for our niece's graduation.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #190
  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:08-06-2018 02:28:12

Reply to Tomlapaz

Ok, there you go - you are defining what you see as parameters for the word 'study'. 

Now note - I said nothing in #4 about simply referencing scripture.  #4 context are #2 and #3 - they are doing #4 for the purpose of studying, not simple referencing.   You cannot study the scripture without accessing the scripture (whatever mode one does that).

2.Christians should as they can  be studying the New Testament.

3.Christians should as they can  be studying the Old Testament - known also as the Jewish Scriptures (available at the time of Jesus).

4.They may be doing so (ie, studying in the previous two steps) by hearing it, by reading it, by reciting it from memory - however they can access it.


You have a good weekend.  Wife and I are going out of town, to Boston, for our niece's graduation.


NONSENSE. You are in contradiction with the new Testament as YOU have placed your OWN definition onto the word 'fellowship'. You have placed your OWN ideas onto that which never took place. You have been given evidence contained WITHIN the pages of the NT showing you to be in error and yet your Human feelings prevent you from understanding that you continue to engage in obfuscation because you do NOT want to amit your errors (VANITY). when you communicate with the Lord, tell HIM the same lies and see eventually what happens. I am in alignment with the NT, you are not.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:08-06-2018 02:48:36

You need to follow what we are currently discussing.   We are currently discussing Christians today.

And today, this holds true below - unless you can show the readers why #4 is not true - do not just assume whatever you write and paste accomplishes that.  Because frankly, otherwise, is sounds like you are saying someone who cannot read, cannot thereforer study the Bible (or anything else), for example.

You have the weekend guy - have a good one.


2.Christians should as they can  be studying the New Testament.

3.Christians should as they can  be studying the Old Testament - known also as the Jewish Scriptures (available at the time of Jesus).

4.They may be doing so (ie, studying  in the previous two steps)  by hearing it, by reading it, by reciting it from memory - however they can access it.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #192
  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:09-06-2018 11:46:04

Reply to Tomlapaz

You need to follow what we are currently discussing.   We are currently discussing Christians today.

And today, this holds true below - unless you can show the readers why #4 is not true - do not just assume whatever you write and paste accomplishes that.  Because frankly, otherwise, is sounds like you are saying someone who cannot read, cannot thereforer study the Bible (or anything else), for example.

You have the weekend guy - have a good one.


2.Christians should as they can  be studying the New Testament.

3.Christians should as they can  be studying the Old Testament - known also as the Jewish Scriptures (available at the time of Jesus).

4.They may be doing so (ie, studying  in the previous two steps)  by hearing it, by reading it, by reciting it from memory - however they can access it.


You have purposely moved AWAY from what we were discussing to avoid being shown to be INCORRECT that Early Christians engaged in BIBLE STUDY, NOW I find it INCREDIBLE that a PROFESSED Christian would engage in the lengths of distortion and obfuscation that YOU have and wonder HOW exactly you claim to be Christian when you engage in Non Christian behavior , Rather than fess up to your errors. The LORD continually sees your obfuscation don't forget.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:12-06-2018 05:21:56

Posted again - for it does sound like it - but I would be wrong in thinking the below true, yes?

Because frankly, otherwise, is sounds like you are saying someone who cannot read, cannot therefore study the Bible (or anything else), for example.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #194
  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:12-06-2018 04:52:32

Reply to Tomlapaz

Posted again - for it does sound like it - but I would be wrong in thinking the below true, yes?

Because frankly, otherwise, is sounds like you are saying someone who cannot read, cannot therefore study the Bible (or anything else), for example.


You have purposely moved AWAY from what we were discussing to avoid being shown to be INCORRECT that Early Christians engaged in BIBLE STUDY, NOW I find it INCREDIBLE that a PROFESSED Christian would engage in the lengths of distortion and obfuscation that YOU have and wonder HOW exactly you claim to be Christian when you engage in Non Christian behavior , Rather than fess up to your errors. The LORD continually sees your obfuscation don't forget.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:13-06-2018 01:41:00

Frankly, I sensed something wrong with your first reply in this thread - the tone or something - maybe I am wrong, but that is part of what motivates me here.

But, in light of that, frankly, it strikes me odd that you will not answer the last question.   But, up to you.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #196
  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:13-06-2018 12:26:17

Reply to Tomlapaz

Frankly, I sensed something wrong with your first reply in this thread - the tone or something - maybe I am wrong, but that is part of what motivates me here.

But, in light of that, frankly, it strikes me odd that you will not answer the last question.   But, up to you.


I've Answered MANY questions and YOU keep changing the subject to move away from your errors which you are answerable to the LORD for, not to me.

THIS is MY first answer to you:

" For accuracy, remember there was NO "bible study" because the Bible at the time of the events in the Book of Acts had not been established yet AND the New testament wasn't even written yet."

YOUR original post ALTERS the wording and YOU changed the wording from APOSTE'S TEACHING to later satying BIBLE STUDY and that is just not so. YOU are a fault for a distortion and obfuscation answerable to the Lord.

Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #197
  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:14-06-2018 01:10:45

You are just confirming, frankly, that the divergence here is over the definition of the word 'Bible Study'.

And we have both agreed that the Bible, as far as the Jewish Scripture, was established by the book of Acts, I believe.   If I am mistaken, and you disagree with that - well, frankly, you are in error.   I have to yield to the writers of the OT and NT on this.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #198
  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:14-06-2018 12:49:26

Reply to Tomlapaz

You are just confirming, frankly, that the divergence here is over the definition of the word 'Bible Study'.

And we have both agreed that the Bible, as far as the Jewish Scripture, was established by the book of Acts, I believe.   If I am mistaken, and you disagree with that - well, frankly, you are in error.   I have to yield to the writers of the OT and NT on this.


NO, we have NOT agreed to that. YOU continue to attempt to move this towards your INCORRECT conclusions. YOU are in CONTRADICTION to the Scriptures. YOU have continued to provide NO PROOF whatsoever for your ERRORS and you are frankly, a DISHOPNEST CHRISTIAN. if you are a Christian at all.

YOU have NOT yielded to the writers of the OT and NT as you have PURPOSELY distorted their words and REAMIN IN CONTRADICTION to the words of the NT.

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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:14-06-2018 01:11:36

Ok, so you hesitate to answer the other question.  Fine - I think we know why.


But the Jewish scripture is scripture.  Jesus notes that, Paul does, the Bereans knew it, etc. - not sure why you object.  That really surprises me.   Actually a bit confusing, given some of your earlier responses.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:14-06-2018 01:26:48

Reply to Tomlapaz

Ok, so you hesitate to answer the other question.  Fine - I think we know why.


But the Jewish scripture is scripture.  Jesus notes that, Paul does, the Bereans knew it, etc. - not sure why you object.  That really surprises me.   Actually a bit confusing, given some of your earlier responses.


The OT is scripture BUT that has NOTHING to do with your ORIGINAL , and erroneous, assertion , that the Early Christians engaged in BIBLE STUDY.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:14-06-2018 08:38:30

 5. Having mental health assistance for Tomas and Wale.
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:15-06-2018 12:09:44

The OT is scripture

Good - then enough said.  So returning to the other question - the below is true, unless you say otherwise, yes?

Because frankly, otherwise, is sounds like you are saying someone who cannot read, cannot therefore study the Bible (or anything else), for example.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:15-06-2018 12:10:45

Reply to skwanderer

 5. Having mental health assistance for Tomas and Wale.

Nothing better for good mental health than to know one is forgiven through Jesus, and that we have eternal life through his name.
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:15-06-2018 02:39:38

Reply to Tomlapaz

The OT is scripture

Good - then enough said.  So returning to the other question - the below is true, unless you say otherwise, yes?

Because frankly, otherwise, is sounds like you are saying someone who cannot read, cannot therefore study the Bible (or anything else), for example.


YOU are making YOUR own, erroneous definition , that is NOT there in print at all in the NT or OT. The OT is scripture BUT that has NOTHING to do with your ORIGINAL , and erroneous, assertion , that the Early Christians engaged in BIBLE STUDY.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:15-06-2018 06:47:50

Tell you what - when you are willing to describe what you mean by 'Study' we can continue.   Otherwise, we are just going in circles here.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:15-06-2018 09:07:46

Reply to Tomlapaz

Tell you what - when you are willing to describe what you mean by 'Study' we can continue.   Otherwise, we are just going in circles here.


No , only YOU are going in circles to AVOID admitting your errors as YOU said the 'APOSTLE'S TEACHING' was BIBLE STUDY.

YOU changed the words from Acts 2:42 to your OWN misunderstanding and you have dug IN on the  misinterpretation on YOUR part.

tell YOU what, why don't YOU be HONEST with yourself and with the Lord.

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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:15-06-2018 09:50:59

We are both going in circles - takes two do that.   And you refuse to define what you mean by 'study' - it really comes across as if you are concerned that you, if not in error on something, may have to yield on something.   My hope is that you really do have the Spirit of God, and ultimately, that is what is important.

None of us by our own merits can stand before God.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:16-06-2018 01:59:22

Reply to Tomlapaz

We are both going in circles - takes two do that.   And you refuse to define what you mean by 'study' - it really comes across as if you are concerned that you, if not in error on something, may have to yield on something.   My hope is that you really do have the Spirit of God, and ultimately, that is what is important.

None of us by our own merits can stand before God.


No it is ONLY YOU going in circles to AVOID , not successfully, being shown to be INCORRECT. YOU have willingly distorted and misinterpretd and CONTINUE to align with your misinterpretation. HERE ARE YOUR WORDS from your original post (excerpted):


Below is a good piece on Acts 2:42, on what makes for a health church.  In fact, the church growth was explosive in the book of Acts.

"All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer" (Acts 2:42).

In Acts 2:42, we read that was the priority of the early church: Bible study, fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayer.

...The Gospel went out into the entire world, and all they had was Bible study, fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayer. ...

the SCRIPTUAL QUOTE says NOTHING about BIBLE STUDY, that was YOUR INSERTION, inserted ERRONEOUSLY.
                                   




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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:16-06-2018 03:39:44

You avoiding how you define 'study' may be rather telling, guy.   I am not going to chase you on that - Skw tired me out with his games with the dictionary quite frankly.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:16-06-2018 04:25:05

Reply to Tomlapaz

You avoiding how you define 'study' may be rather telling, guy.   I am not going to chase you on that - Skw tired me out with his games with the dictionary quite frankly.


YOU are the one playing games as you EVADE from your original post.

YOU interchanged 'Apostles teaching' for BIBLE STUDY and THAT is your ERROR, which you continue to run away from. YOU are DISHONEST and perhaps not even Christian.  YOU have willingly distorted and misinterpreted and CONTINUE to align with your misinterpretation. HERE ARE YOUR WORDS from your original post (excerpted):


Below is a good piece on Acts 2:42, on what makes for a health church.  In fact, the church growth was explosive in the book of Acts.

"All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer" (Acts 2:42).

In Acts 2:42, we read that was the priority of the early church: Bible study, fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayer.

...The Gospel went out into the entire world, and all they had was Bible study, fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayer. ...

the SCRIPTUAL QUOTE says NOTHING about BIBLE STUDY, that was YOUR INSERTION, inserted ERRONEOUSLY.
                                   


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