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Tomlapaz
  • From:USA

Date Posted:30-04-2018 12:56:24

Below is a good piece on Acts 2:42, on what makes for a health church.  In fact, the church growth was explosive in the book of Acts.

04/09/18  Grace Mail

"All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer" (Acts 2:42).

In Acts 2:42, we read that was the priority of the early church: Bible study, fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayer.

One of our sister churches that we actually helped to start are meeting in a school, where they have to set up and tear down every Sunday morning. They have to pack everything in a trailer. As I was thinking about that, I was thinking of how many things they don't have. You think, "Doesn't a church have to have certain kinds of buildings?" "Don't they have to have certain types of furnishings?" "Don't you need a cross somewhere?" "Don't you need a steeple someplace?" "Don't you need a gymnasium and a golf course, and a pool?"

I think of what the early church didn't have and it was so successful! The early church didn't have any of that stuff. It didn't even have the stuff we have. And yet, people were getting saved, and it was more successful in the first century than the church has ever been since.

The Gospel went out into the entire world, and all they had was Bible study, fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayer.

So, I think that everything that a church does ought to center around one of those four things. We ought to be able to trace everything we do at Calvary back to the fact that it's either Bible study, it's a fellowship opportunity, it's the breaking of bread (which I believe speaks of the Lord's Supper prominent in services and available to people), and/or prayer. Everything should come back to that. Those are the priorities. If you can get to other things; they're not wrong, but these are the things a church ought to focus on.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:22-06-2018 06:52:46

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There isn't anything in this, now 8 page long, cat fight between you and Tom, that is anywhere near being above my head, let alone "WAY above" my head.

LOL

I know because you probably have OTHER things waving over your head.LOL

Dare I ask what it is that your tiny little mind thinks is waving over my head?


YOU are the one engaging in unnatural acts and you don't know? LOL
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:22-06-2018 06:58:45

That doesn't answer the question, wale.  Unlike you, I don't pretend to know what is another person's mind.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "[i]If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn.,[/i]" -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:22-06-2018 07:03:18

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See, you posted scripture - yet it is not at all obvious to me that it supports your position that you are trying to make.

So I cannot simply reference those scriptures and go 'oh yes!'.  I would have to study them to see if what you are saying is true.


Same as the Bereans did with Paul's teaching.   


YOU don't have to STUDY if you know that ANY of the words are the WORD of GOD

AND

YOU have NOT established your ORIGINAL position that the EARLY Christians engaged in BIBLE STUDY and you are STILL obfuscating here, not exactly the behavior of a GENUINE Christian.


You do have to study specifically because it is the Word of God.   For example - folk take verses out of context all the time - it happens with other literature, but given the importance of the Word of God, one should seek to be less guilty of doing that, yes?


YOUR ORIGINAL PREMISE was that the Early Christians engaged in BIBLE STUDY and they DID NOT.

YOU are in error, in contradiction to the New Testament and  chronology. You continually obfuscate to COVER for your error and are dishonest, NOT exactly Christian behavior.


Actually, the OP is from a well known pastor of a Phoenix church -  and as I noted before, you are the first person in over 30 years that I have heard try to argue against the idea that (NONE of) the early Christians studied the scripture.  

Do you have Christian teacher that you can provide a link to that thinks as you do?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:22-06-2018 07:21:50

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See, you posted scripture - yet it is not at all obvious to me that it supports your position that you are trying to make.

So I cannot simply reference those scriptures and go 'oh yes!'.  I would have to study them to see if what you are saying is true.


Same as the Bereans did with Paul's teaching.   


YOU don't have to STUDY if you know that ANY of the words are the WORD of GOD

AND

YOU have NOT established your ORIGINAL position that the EARLY Christians engaged in BIBLE STUDY and you are STILL obfuscating here, not exactly the behavior of a GENUINE Christian.


You do have to study specifically because it is the Word of God.   For example - folk take verses out of context all the time - it happens with other literature, but given the importance of the Word of God, one should seek to be less guilty of doing that, yes?


YOUR ORIGINAL PREMISE was that the Early Christians engaged in BIBLE STUDY and they DID NOT.

YOU are in error, in contradiction to the New Testament and  chronology. You continually obfuscate to COVER for your error and are dishonest, NOT exactly Christian behavior.


Actually, the OP is from a well known pastor of a Phoenix church -  and as I noted before, you are the first person in over 30 years that I have heard try to argue against the idea that (NONE of) the early Christians studied the scripture.  

Do you have Christian teacher that you can provide a link to that thinks as you do?

YES. The NEW TESTAMENT. Open it up.

1 Corinthians 1:21  (GNT)

21 For God in his wisdom made it impossible for people to know him by means of their own wisdom. Instead, by means of the so-called “foolish” message we preach, God decided to save those who believe.



1 Corinthians 2:10-13  (RSV)

10 God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For what person knows a man’s thoughts except the spirit of the man which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is from God, that we might understand the gifts bestowed on us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who possess the Spirit.


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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:22-06-2018 09:31:04

Ok, so it is just you then.  Because that just brings us back to my earlier point.

You do have to study specifically because it is the Word of God.    For example - folk take verses out of context all the time - it happens with other literature, but given the importance of the Word of God, one should seek to be less guilty of doing that, yes?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:23-06-2018 04:20:41

Reply to Tomlapaz

Ok, so it is just you then.  Because that just brings us back to my earlier point.

You do have to study specifically because it is the Word of God.    For example - folk take verses out of context all the time - it happens with other literature, but given the importance of the Word of God, one should seek to be less guilty of doing that, yes?


No, it is NOT just me. What exactly is wrong with you.

YOUR premise is wrong from the outset and remains as such, contradicted by the new testament and chronology.

YOU CONTINUE to engage in willful distortions to COVER your error , rather than CORRECT them.

HOW do you exactly call yourself a Christian when you have demonstrated actions to the contrary?

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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:23-06-2018 04:31:07

No, it is NOT just me.

Yes, that is what you claim - and I am asking for examples.


Let me ask this also - you don't think the verses you have been quoting apply to Christians today??


Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:23-06-2018 04:41:54

Reply to Tomlapaz

No, it is NOT just me.

Yes, that is what you claim - and I am asking for examples.


Let me ask this also - you don't think the verses you have been quoting apply to Christians today??



You are attempting to move away AGAIN.

YOUR premise was that the Early Christians engaged in,  as part of their gatherings, inn BIBLE STUDY. They did NOT and you haven't shown backup for that yet. The Bereans example you distorted and made your OWN assumptions on and they are NOT the entirety of the early Christian. It has been shown to you Biblically what the Early Christians did and yet you continue to foist your distortion forwards.

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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:23-06-2018 04:48:12

 

1 Corinthians 1:21  (GNT)

21 For God in his wisdom made it impossible for people to know him by means of their own wisdom. Instead, by means of the so-called “foolish” message we preach, God decided to save those who believe.


1 Corinthians 2:10-13  (RSV)

10 God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For what person knows a man’s thoughts except the spirit of the man which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is from God, that we might understand the gifts bestowed on us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who possess the Spirit.

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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:23-06-2018 04:50:22

You are attempting to move away AGAIN.


So in other words, the scripture you have been quoting are not really saying what you want them to say, otherwise you could have answered Yes or No.

If you have other reasons for claiming that there no Christians studying scripture, that is fine.  But you are admitting you do not have scripture itself to back that up.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:23-06-2018 04:56:49

Reply to Tomlapaz

You are attempting to move away AGAIN.


So in other words, the scripture you have been quoting are not really saying what you want them to say, otherwise you could have answered Yes or No.

If you have other reasons for claiming that there no Christians studying scripture, that is fine.  But you are admitting you do not have scripture itself to back that up.


THE scripture above , QUOTED , shows that Early Christians were not engaged, as YOU said, in BIBLE STUDY.

How are you a Christian actually?


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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:23-06-2018 05:17:22

So that scripture above only applies to early Christians?   (It may help to actual note which scripture above you are referring to - or if to all of them).



And again - I would like to know who else holds this position you have been advocating for - there must be someone besides yourself.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:23-06-2018 08:06:21

Reply to Tomlapaz

So that scripture above only applies to early Christians?   (It may help to actual note which scripture above you are referring to - or if to all of them).



And again - I would like to know who else holds this position you have been advocating for - there must be someone besides yourself.


The position is not validated by what human beings hold that position or not.

 It IS the position articulated in the words of the NT, God's word.

YOU altered God's words in your original post and ; therefore, guilty of distortion and dishonesty.

YOUR original post REAMAINS incorrect and the New Testament bears out as such.

YOU remain in error and your continual efforts to reinforce that error only make you not credible on this topic at all.

How are you a Christian exactly?

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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:23-06-2018 08:55:02

The position is not validated by what human beings hold that position or not.


In other words, no one else that you know holds that position.  

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:24-06-2018 12:42:06

Reply to Tomlapaz

The position is not validated by what human beings hold that position or not.


In other words, no one else that you know holds that position.  


NO, that is NOT what I said. ANOTHER example of your distortions. Whether no one, or EVERYONE holds that position does NOT give that position it's validation.

This point has NOTHING to do with your error that Early Christians engaged in what YOU say as BIBLE STUDY.

WHERE did you get that from?

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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:24-06-2018 01:14:22

You are showing a pattern.

I had already stated that even if you are the only one holding this position (and that does seem to be true) that does not automatically mean you are wrong.

But together with other clues, well........

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:24-06-2018 01:24:13

Reply to Tomlapaz

You are showing a pattern.

I had already stated that even if you are the only one holding this position (and that does seem to be true) that does not automatically mean you are wrong.

But together with other clues, well........


Together with other clues, sources, whatever, YOU have intentionally distorted and continued to dig IN with your error.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:24-06-2018 02:06:08

You are too upset - even if you are right both about this issue, and about me being purposely wrong - there would be no reason for you to be this upset.

Anyway, lets review what we have:

1.No scripture apparently supports your case - if any does, then answer why such scripture does not apply to today's Christians

2.If you could point to someone else who holds this position that you do, you would.   You have not.

3.Bereans studied the scripture

4.Paul studied the scripture

5.Paul tells others of the importance of scripture.   2 Timothy  3:16.

6.The gospel is all about Jesus.  It is the Jewish scripture that foretells about Jesus, and the gospels about the fulfillments. 

7.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:24-06-2018 11:21:48

Reply to Tomlapaz

You are too upset - even if you are right both about this issue, and about me being purposely wrong - there would be no reason for you to be this upset.

Anyway, lets review what we have:

1.No scripture apparently supports your case - if any does, then answer why such scripture does not apply to today's Christians

2.If you could point to someone else who holds this position that you do, you would.   You have not.

3.Bereans studied the scripture

4.Paul studied the scripture

5.Paul tells others of the importance of scripture.   2 Timothy  3:16.

6.The gospel is all about Jesus.  It is the Jewish scripture that foretells about Jesus, and the gospels about the fulfillments. 



You are really absurd and CONTINUE to deflect away from your errors. ALL scripture supports my case as has been shown to you , which YOU deny. Someone else holding this position is of no bearing as human thinking does not affect scripture. Bereans REFERENCED them, not STUDIED. As for Paul, he did NOT study scripture as he was filled with the Spirit who REVEALED all to him. The USE of scripture doesn't mean that the EARLY CHRISTIANS engaged in BIBLE STUDY as you incorrectly have inserted into the words of the APOSTLES. The WORD about Jesus was given through THE SPIRIT, his MESSAGE was REVEALED to all THRUGH THE SPIRIT. D you know how to read?


YOU REAMIN IN ERROR AND IN WILLFUL DISTORTION. YOU ARE NOT ACTING AS A CHRISTIAN, that you claim to be.

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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:24-06-2018 07:27:58

You continue in error about the Bereans.  That is pretty obvious.


So we are just in circles then.   You cannot even show me who else holds this view.   How about, if you want to continue, do that.

Else, fill free to have the last word.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:24-06-2018 09:25:11

Reply to Tomlapaz

You continue in error about the Bereans.  That is pretty obvious.


So we are just in circles then.   You cannot even show me who else holds this view.   How about, if you want to continue, do that.

Else, fill free to have the last word.


No, I am NOT in Error about the Bereans , the word studied in the passage means referenced to check what Paul was saying.

YOU remain continually in error and in dishonesty.

YOUR response here shows that YOU cannot backup your Original post that Early Christians engaged in BIBLE STUDY and you look for all sorts of ways to squirm out of that and trying to not be held for your errors. That is SDISHONEST and NOT Christian.

HOW EXACTLY ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN AGAIN? 

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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:25-06-2018 12:49:26

 For those who read this thread , know that Tomaplaz is dishonest and probably not Christian as Tomaplaz continues to try and hide his errors and inconsistencies from the outset. NOT REAL CHRISTIAN BEHAVIOR.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:25-06-2018 06:26:58

Reply to wale63

 For those who read this thread , know that Tomaplaz is dishonest and probably not Christian as Tomaplaz continues to try and hide his errors and inconsistencies from the outset. NOT REAL CHRISTIAN BEHAVIOR.

And on threads concerning evolution both of you lie.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:25-06-2018 11:52:59

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 For those who read this thread , know that Tomaplaz is dishonest and probably not Christian as Tomaplaz continues to try and hide his errors and inconsistencies from the outset. NOT REAL CHRISTIAN BEHAVIOR.

And on threads concerning evolution both of you lie.

NOT AT ALL. You are just an absurd person who really is ignorant in many ways and take the limits of what you think you know TOO seriously.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:25-06-2018 12:41:13

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 For those who read this thread , know that Tomaplaz is dishonest and probably not Christian as Tomaplaz continues to try and hide his errors and inconsistencies from the outset. NOT REAL CHRISTIAN BEHAVIOR.

And on threads concerning evolution both of you lie.
 
NOT AT ALL. You are just an absurd person who really is ignorant in many ways and take the limits of what you think you know TOO seriously.

So says an absurd person who is willfully ignorant on many subjects and takes far to seriously what he thinks he knows.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "[i]If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn.,[/i]" -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:25-06-2018 12:54:00

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Reply to wale63

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Reply to wale63

 For those who read this thread , know that Tomaplaz is dishonest and probably not Christian as Tomaplaz continues to try and hide his errors and inconsistencies from the outset. NOT REAL CHRISTIAN BEHAVIOR.

And on threads concerning evolution both of you lie.
 
NOT AT ALL. You are just an absurd person who really is ignorant in many ways and take the limits of what you think you know TOO seriously.

So says an absurd person who is willfully ignorant on many subjects and takes far to seriously what he thinks he knows.

Since you are an idiot, your observation is empty and pointless.

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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:25-06-2018 01:53:48

 Tomaplaz is DISHONEST. Why? HERE is what he posted originally:

"All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer" (Acts 2:42).

NOTICE THE FOUR aspects IN the passage . Tomaplaz THEN CHANGES the wording, based on his own misconception and has STAYED with that error (UNDERLINED below) of his own making

 In Acts 2:42, we read that was the priority of the early church: Bible study (Tomaplaz' OWN wording , not the Bible), fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayer.

BIBLE STUDY is NOT the same AS the Apostles' teaching above. The APOSTLES PREACHED, filled with the Spirit and those who heard RECEIVED understanding from the Spirit. THIS is NOT BIBLE STUDY.

Tomaplaz' continual dancing around direct quotes, citations, sources and questions are to EVADE ( in HIS mind) the appearance of error  and distortion on his part. He continues in the face of the listed contradictions to his insistence; therefore, dishonest and distorting. NOT a Christian when he has to evade his own error and exerts more energy promoting the distortion than CORRECTING it.

                                   

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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:25-06-2018 04:02:09

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Reply to wale63
 For those who read this thread , know that Tomaplaz is dishonest and probably not Christian as Tomaplaz continues to try and hide his errors and inconsistencies from the outset. NOT REAL CHRISTIAN BEHAVIOR.

And on threads concerning evolution both of you lie.
 
NOT AT ALL. You are just an absurd person who really is ignorant in many ways and take the limits of what you think you know TOO seriously.

So says an absurd person who is willfully ignorant on many subjects and takes far to seriously what he thinks he knows.

Since you are an idiot, your observation is empty and pointless.

That is an empty and pointless observation posted by an absurd, willfully ignorant person.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "[i]If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn.,[/i]" -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:25-06-2018 04:33:32

Reply to Bogus0Pomp

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Reply to wale63
 For those who read this thread , know that Tomaplaz is dishonest and probably not Christian as Tomaplaz continues to try and hide his errors and inconsistencies from the outset. NOT REAL CHRISTIAN BEHAVIOR.

And on threads concerning evolution both of you lie.
 
NOT AT ALL. You are just an absurd person who really is ignorant in many ways and take the limits of what you think you know TOO seriously.

So says an absurd person who is willfully ignorant on many subjects and takes far to seriously what he thinks he knows.

Since you are an idiot, your observation is empty and pointless.

That is an empty and pointless observation posted by an absurd, willfully ignorant person.


Before we go around in circles because you are absurd and stupid, understand that you are like the pig who doesn't understand he is dirty. You see through the prism of your inversion which makes EVERYTHING inverted in your interpretation of reality.
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Re:Four essentials for a healthy church

Date Posted:25-06-2018 04:34:03

 Tomaplaz is DISHONEST. Why? HERE is what he posted originally:

"All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer" (Acts 2:42).

NOTICE THE FOUR aspects IN the passage . Tomaplaz THEN CHANGES the wording, based on his own misconception and has STAYED with that error (UNDERLINED below) of his own making

 In Acts 2:42, we read that was the priority of the early church: Bible study (Tomaplaz' OWN wording , not the Bible), fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayer.

BIBLE STUDY is NOT the same AS the Apostles' teaching above. The APOSTLES PREACHED, filled with the Spirit and those who heard RECEIVED understanding from the Spirit. THIS is NOT BIBLE STUDY.

Tomaplaz' continual dancing around direct quotes, citations, sources and questions are to EVADE ( in HIS mind) the appearance of error  and distortion on his part. He continues in the face of the listed contradictions to his insistence; therefore, dishonest and distorting. NOT a Christian when he has to evade his own error and exerts more energy promoting the distortion than CORRECTING it.

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