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easyrider123
  • From:Norway

Date Posted:14-03-2017 10:40:01Copy HTML


Ah yes, the inconceivable higher power.................


                





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  • From:New_zealand

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Date Posted:15-03-2017 07:06:22Copy HTML

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"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:Norway

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:30-04-2017 07:04:04Copy HTML

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  • From:Unknown

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Date Posted:30-04-2017 06:57:01Copy HTML

 Let’s really be honest here and admit that the God of the Old Testament is flat out ridiculous.

Do we really need to go any further than Adam’s rib? Does anyone really buy the talking, walking snake? This is just silly. Many religious believers will freely admit that this stuff is silly and that is at least progress. But you can’t turn around and say that most of this silly stuff is make-believe, but that the ridiculously powerful and contradictory main character must be real. So the character is real, but all his characteristics are ridiculously silly and obviously made up? That’s like saying that Superman obviously can’t fly, doesn’t have super-strength, heat vision, super-breath, etc., but he’s still real and from Krypton.

http://www.skepticink.com/dangeroustalk/2013/08/23/hello-your-beliefs-are-ridiculous/

This takes us to the less specific concept. I’m going to call this a category two deity. It’s the vague higher power. Obviously the Bible is ridiculous, but that doesn’t mean that there can’t be some sort of vague higher power, right? I mean if we water down the concept of God so much that you can’t really even define it, than it isn’t nearly as ridiculous. Oh, but it is.

I mean, how vague are we going to make this concept? At some point the vagueness of the concept becomes ridiculous, making the whole thing just ridiculous. You just have to start laughing your ass off at the way so many religious believers try to water down the concept of their deity just to get atheists to admit that there might be some slim possibility that there might be something. But we all know that this vagueness is just a tool to get back to the category one deity.

I see this all the time when religious believers use arguments like the First Cause, Argument by Design, or some other vague argument, only to jump back to Yahweh, Jesus, or Allah. But the fact remains that they are arguing in favor of something that is flat out ridiculous. No matter how hard they try, they can’t escape the talking snake.

Of course, I am just using that talking snake as an example of the ridiculousness of the Abrahamic religions. You can replace the talking snake with any number of equally or even more ridiculous statements, concepts, and/or beliefs within these religions. My point is that religious believers will always be in a position where they have to distance themselves from the ridiculousness of their holy books.

Now, I know calling these sorts of beliefs ridiculous is not going to fill these believers with joy. They aren’t going to be happy to hear that I am calling their beliefs ridiculous. Some atheists have argued that when I use the word, “ridiculous” that religious believers tune right out. Maybe they are correct, but I don’t think so. I think it is important to remind religious believers that their beliefs sound really ridiculous to anyone outside their bubble of belief. I think this helps to pop that bubble of belief and enables them to look at their beliefs the way they look at the beliefs of others.

Scientology is perfect for this. I don’t know how many times I have defended Tom Cruise from Christians. Sure, Tom Cruise believes some really ridiculous stuff, but do you know what he doesn’t believe? He doesn’t believe in a talking snake, so who is really the one who believes in ridiculous fiction? Like I said before, feel free to replace the “talking snake” with whatever. For Christians, it is usually the virgin birth or the resurrection, but really it is all equally ridiculous.

Let me clear this up with a simple comparison: Evil galactic alien overlord vs. virgin birth. Which one is more ridiculous? Well, we know that there are lots of stars out there and it is highly probable that other intelligent life does exist somewhere in the universe. Given the way our culture has created governments, it is possible that some alien society somewhere also has a government and that that government could be ruled by a dictatorship. So while Scientology certainly seems pretty ridiculous, it is at least possible that there is some evil galactic alien overlord somewhere in the universe. On the other hand, virgin births have never been observed among humans… ever! That shit is completely impossible. When Tom Cruise’s beliefs are less ridiculous then yours, you really need to start questioning your beliefs. Just say’n.

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  • From:Unknown

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Date Posted:30-04-2017 06:57:50Copy HTML

 It is illegal to tattoo your child. That is a law I agree with. I mean, it makes sense. Kids shouldn’t be subjected to their parents making such a permanent decision for them. So then, why is it legal to indoctrinate your child with a religion? My parents gave me a tattoo when I was a kid; it was called Catholicism. And that shit can’t be laser-ed off either. That stays with you. I’d much rather have a Mike Tyson face tattoo than have to feel guilty every time I masturbate.
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  • From:New_zealand

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Date Posted:30-04-2017 08:50:00Copy HTML

A couple of excellent posts!
 
Christians completely ignore great swathes of the OT.  For example, eating pork, shellfish and other foods which are banned by their god.

On another subject, most Christians think how orthodox Jews and devout Muslims demand the way women must act and dress is silly but that is what the biblical god ordained.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:Norway

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:02-05-2017 05:10:03Copy HTML


Yep skw, there are millions of recovering Catholics out there, as well as the children from other "organized" religious upbringing.

But, in all fairness there are wonderful people who have faith in organized religions. There is good to found anywhere, just as there is bad to be found anywhere as well. 

I disregard what I disregard, take what strikes me as true and just keep learning as I go. After all, to me "GOD" is just a word that is commonly used when referring to an inconceivable power greater that all of us on earth. 

I am convinced that there is such a power in this universe, but I don't buy much of the Bible. Jesus had some good principles and ideas for living a good life, but then again we all have those things inside us if we take the time look inside...........

on a lighter note................

      



             
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  • From:Norway

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Date Posted:06-05-2017 07:51:39Copy HTML


Seriously now............. well relatively serious anyway


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THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE Honesty and frankness make you vulnerable. Be honest and frank anyway.
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  • From:USA

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:07-05-2017 02:31:54Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 It is illegal to tattoo your child. That is a law I agree with. I mean, it makes sense. Kids shouldn’t be subjected to their parents making such a permanent decision for them. So then, why is it legal to indoctrinate your child with a religion? My parents gave me a tattoo when I was a kid; it was called Catholicism. And that shit can’t be laser-ed off either. That stays with you. I’d much rather have a Mike Tyson face tattoo than have to feel guilty every time I masturbate.


Interesting post - who exactly would you propose gets to indoctrinate your kids, and with what then?

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
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  • From:USA

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:07-05-2017 02:35:49Copy HTML

Reply to Yobbo

A couple of excellent posts!
 
Christians completely ignore great swathes of the OT.  For example, eating pork, shellfish and other foods which are banned by their god.

On another subject, most Christians think how orthodox Jews and devout Muslims demand the way women must act and dress is silly but that is what the biblical god ordained.


Just to clarify - some of the things banned were directed to the nation of Israel only - it was not an issue before Israel entered the promised land, and it was not an issue for Christians today.

As to which commandments, statutes, etc. fall under this - well, as with any book (religious or otherwise), one has to pay attention when reading it.   It is easier to do so, of course, if one approaches the book with not so much anger and/or hostility.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
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  • From:Unknown

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Date Posted:07-05-2017 05:22:18Copy HTML

 Just to clarify - some of the things banned were directed to the nation of Israel only

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meaning what exactly?  That it is OK.  You are aware the nation of Israel was pretty much the known world at the time to christians?  Of course you aren't.

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  • From:USA

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Date Posted:07-05-2017 08:06:52Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 Just to clarify - some of the things banned were directed to the nation of Israel only

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meaning what exactly?  That it is OK.  You are aware the nation of Israel was pretty much the known world at the time to christians?  Of course you aren't.


What?   Good grief.

Anyway, why answer that (or rather attempt to), and not the question directed to you regarding your post?  Your suggestion there would actually generate some interesting discussion on the main forum, btw.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
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  • From:New_zealand

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:07-05-2017 08:12:18Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 Just to clarify - some of the things banned were directed to the nation of Israel only

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meaning what exactly?  That it is OK.  You are aware the nation of Israel was pretty much the known world at the time to christians?  Of course you aren't.


It is a weasel phrase to give Christians an out depending on the customs of the day.  Apparently they can ignore most if not all the dietary orders but must relentlessly pursue homosexuals.  Hard to fathom why they can declare that god changed its mind to require them to do what they want and ignore the things they do want to do.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

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Date Posted:07-05-2017 08:58:28Copy HTML

I suppose one can take that approach  if one does not do his/her homework.  A bit hypocritical, however.
Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
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  • From:Unknown

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Date Posted:07-05-2017 10:40:36Copy HTML

 Interesting post - who exactly would you propose gets to indoctrinate your kids, and with what then?

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No one.  Teach them to learn and figure things out.  


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  • From:Unknown

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Date Posted:07-05-2017 10:42:43Copy HTML

 Anyway, why answer that (or rather attempt to), and not the question directed to you regarding your post? 

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Says the lying asshole who never answers any question.  1000 posts asking for the evidence of creationism he says exists and never an answer.  12 pages of posts asking what is important about a god or idol such that praying gives you the answer you desire as he claims, without an answer.

Then he has the nerve to complain someone doesn't answer his question immediately in the very next post.


Google asshole Tomas, I'm sure there will be pictures of you.



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  • From:Unknown

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:07-05-2017 10:43:53Copy HTML

 I suppose one can take that approach  if one does not do his/her homework.  A bit hypocritical, however.

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Homework:  Translation - mental gymnastics to continue to feel righteous.

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  • From:USA

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Date Posted:07-05-2017 10:57:45Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 Interesting post - who exactly would you propose gets to indoctrinate your kids, and with what then?

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No one.  Teach them to learn and figure things out.  



Are you kids atheists, or theists?
Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
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  • From:USA

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:07-05-2017 11:00:05Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 I suppose one can take that approach  if one does not do his/her homework.  A bit hypocritical, however.

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Homework:  Translation - mental gymnastics to continue to feel righteous.


No, you guys are truly being lazy (or worse).

There are principles that a parent will teach his kid, and there are rules that a parent has that can (and many times do) change, depending if the scenarios change.   Surely neither of you are oblivious to that, correct?

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
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  • From:New_zealand

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Date Posted:08-05-2017 12:38:38Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

I suppose one can take that approach  if one does not do his/her homework.  A bit hypocritical, however.

Feel free to elucidate this statement.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:08-05-2017 12:57:58Copy HTML

Reply to Yobbo

Reply to Tomlapaz

I suppose one can take that approach  if one does not do his/her homework.  A bit hypocritical, however.

Feel free to elucidate this statement.


??   I did, in my last post.
Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
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  • From:New_zealand

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Date Posted:08-05-2017 06:07:07Copy HTML

No you didn't.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

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Date Posted:08-05-2017 08:03:30Copy HTML

Do you agree with the statement made there on parents and kids?
Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:08-05-2017 03:19:00Copy HTML

 There are principles that a parent will teach his kid, and there are rules that a parent has that can (and many times do) change, depending if the scenarios change.   Surely neither of you are oblivious to that, correct?\

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Sure I agree with this Tomas.  This doesn't mean they need to be tattooed with religion.  Rules of decency and behavior towards others do not come from fairy tale stories of talking snakes and evil fruit.  


You thought you had a point?

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  • From:Unknown

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Date Posted:08-05-2017 03:20:08Copy HTML

 Feel free to elucidate this statement.

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This is dangerously close to a question Yobbo.  You know Tomas doesn't do those.  He will now insinuate that he did clarify somewhere, on some post, on some day......and that you just aren't following along.

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  • From:New_zealand

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:09-05-2017 03:26:18Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

Reply to Yobbo

Reply to Tomlapaz

I suppose one can take that approach  if one does not do his/her homework.  A bit hypocritical, however.

Feel free to elucidate this statement.


??   I did, in my last post.

No you did not.   And for you to claim others are hypocritical is farcical.  Hypocrisy is part of your whole "rationale".  
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

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Date Posted:09-05-2017 04:26:42Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 There are principles that a parent will teach his kid, and there are rules that a parent has that can (and many times do) change, depending if the scenarios change.   Surely neither of you are oblivious to that, correct?\

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Sure I agree with this Tomas.  This doesn't mean they need to be tattooed with religion.  Rules of decency and behavior towards others do not come from fairy tale stories of talking snakes and evil fruit.  


You thought you had a point?


You and Yobbo do  realize there are two different discussions going on here (at least)?

The statement you quoted is in response to posts 12 and 13.

To the point you raised, see post 17.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
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  • From:New_zealand

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Date Posted:09-05-2017 07:19:35Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

Reply to skwanderer

 There are principles that a parent will teach his kid, and there are rules that a parent has that can (and many times do) change, depending if the scenarios change.   Surely neither of you are oblivious to that, correct?\

___


Sure I agree with this Tomas.  This doesn't mean they need to be tattooed with religion.  Rules of decency and behavior towards others do not come from fairy tale stories of talking snakes and evil fruit.  


You thought you had a point?


You and Yobbo do  realize there are two different discussions going on here (at least)?

The statement you quoted is in response to posts 12 and 13.

To the point you raised, see post 17.

Still suffering those delusions of adequacy........

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:Unknown

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:09-05-2017 07:41:53Copy HTML

Tomas:


 I saw your post 17 and it said nothing.  My parents were theists and they let me alone about religion.  As usual, you thought you had a point and had none.


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  • From:USA

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Date Posted:10-05-2017 02:58:27Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

Tomas:


 I saw your post 17 and it said nothing.  My parents were theists and they let me alone about religion.  As usual, you thought you had a point and had none.



What it did do was ask about your kids - not your parents.
Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
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  • From:USA

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:10-05-2017 03:00:23Copy HTML

Reply to Yobbo

Reply to skwanderer

 Just to clarify - some of the things banned were directed to the nation of Israel only

____


meaning what exactly?  That it is OK.  You are aware the nation of Israel was pretty much the known world at the time to christians?  Of course you aren't.


It is a weasel phrase to give Christians an out depending on the customs of the day.  Apparently they can ignore most if not all the dietary orders but must relentlessly pursue homosexuals.  Hard to fathom why they can declare that god changed its mind to require them to do what they want and ignore the things they do want to do.


Ok, let me make it easier for you - and post this together so you do not have to scroll and review.

There are principles that a parent will teach his kid, and there are rules that a parent has that can (and many times do) change, depending if the scenarios change.   Do you agree?

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
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