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easyrider123
  • From:Norway

Date Posted:14-03-2017 10:40:01Copy HTML


Ah yes, the inconceivable higher power.................


                





THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE Honesty and frankness make you vulnerable. Be honest and frank anyway.
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #31
  • From:Unknown

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:10-05-2017 05:04:08Copy HTML

  There are principles that a parent will teach his kid, and there are rules that a parent has that can (and many times do) change, depending if the scenarios change.   Do you agree?

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I already agreed and told you that fairy tale stories have nothing to do with teaching kids good behavior.  Religion need not enter into it ....ever.  I have no idea if my kids are theists or atheists.  We talk about religion from a Historical perspective.  They know how I feel, they can make up their own minds.  They have never expressed that they flat out don't believe and I don't care and they know I don't care.  Religion had nothing to do with how we learned and lived our lives. All your kids need to know is that you respect them and their decisions, and they can choose how to believe on their own.


Tomas makes no point and presses on in earnest. Are you making an earnest petition to get the answers you desire? lol


Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #32
  • From:New_zealand

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Date Posted:10-05-2017 07:48:19Copy HTML

Yes, he is praying to us to believe his bullshit.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #33
  • From:New_zealand

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Date Posted:11-05-2017 02:09:33Copy HTML


"I DON'T know where people got the notion that I'm a fan of failure," mused a perplexed God, in yet another sit-down interview with his favourite Waterford-based online publication.
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"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #34
  • From:USA

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:11-05-2017 01:34:38Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

Reply to Yobbo

Reply to skwanderer

 Just to clarify - some of the things banned were directed to the nation of Israel only

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meaning what exactly?  That it is OK.  You are aware the nation of Israel was pretty much the known world at the time to christians?  Of course you aren't.


It is a weasel phrase to give Christians an out depending on the customs of the day.  Apparently they can ignore most if not all the dietary orders but must relentlessly pursue homosexuals.  Hard to fathom why they can declare that god changed its mind to require them to do what they want and ignore the things they do want to do.


Ok, let me make it easier for you - and post this together so you do not have to scroll and review.

There are principles that a parent will teach his kid, and there are rules that a parent has that can (and many times do) change, depending if the scenarios change.   Do you agree?


I guess I thought that was clear - since I was responding to Yobbo's comment - but Yobbo, this question is being addressed to you on the comment you made above here.
Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #35
  • From:New_zealand

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:11-05-2017 08:10:35Copy HTML

Ok, let me make it easier for you - and post this together so you do not have to scroll and review.

There are principles that a parent will teach his kid, and there are rules that a parent has that can (and many times do) change, depending if the scenarios change.   Do you agree?


Yes, I agree. So what?

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #36
  • From:USA

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Date Posted:11-05-2017 10:40:42Copy HTML

So lets rephrase your claim in that light:


It is a weasel phrase to give parents an out depending on the needs of the day.  Apparently they can ignore most if not all the  orders given to their kids, but must relentlessly pursue principles such 'Do not steal'.  Hard to fathom why they (kids) can declare that a parent changed its mind to require them to do what they want and ignore the things they do want to do.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #37
  • From:New_zealand

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Date Posted:12-05-2017 08:52:38Copy HTML

No, the claims you have made have nothing to do with what I said.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #38
  • From:USA

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Date Posted:12-05-2017 09:10:48Copy HTML

Thus  demonstrating your hypocrisy.

Ok, we be done with that.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #39
  • From:Unknown

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:12-05-2017 09:42:37Copy HTML

 NO hypocrisy.

I also agree and told you that fairy tale stories have nothing to do with teaching kids good behavior.  Religion need not enter into it ....ever.  I have no idea if my kids are theists or atheists.  We talk about religion from a Historical perspective.  They know how I feel, they can make up their own minds.  They have never expressed that they flat out don't believe and I don't care and they know I don't care.  Religion had nothing to do with how we learned and lived our lives. All your kids need to know is that you respect them and their decisions, and they can choose how to believe on their own.


Tomas makes no point and presses on in earnest. Are you making an earnest petition to get the answers you desire? lol

Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #40
  • From:New_zealand

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Date Posted:13-05-2017 02:31:00Copy HTML

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #41
  • From:USA

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:13-05-2017 03:44:22Copy HTML

Yobbo: It is a weasel phrase to give Christians an out depending on the customs of the day.  Apparently they can ignore most if not all the dietary orders but must relentlessly pursue homosexuals.  Hard to fathom why they can declare that god changed its mind to require them to do what they want and ignore the things they do want to do.


It is a weasel phrase to give parents an out depending on the needs of the day.  Apparently they can ignore most if not all the  orders given to their kids, but must relentlessly pursue  principles such  'Do  not steal'.  Hard to fathom why they (kids)  can declare that a parent changed its mind to require them to do what they want and ignore the things they do want to do.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #42
  • From:New_zealand

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Date Posted:13-05-2017 06:41:28Copy HTML

 That is your belief, not mine.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #43
  • From:USA

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Date Posted:13-05-2017 02:32:36Copy HTML

Both statements go together, Yobbo. If you hold to the first, it is like saying you hold to the second.

But the fact is -both statements are wrong. 

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
easyrider123 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #44
  • From:Norway

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:15-05-2017 05:49:58Copy HTML

I think Frank puts it in perspective............ a proper perspective I might add! 

Frank Sinatra. An Interview by Playboy

Playboy: Are you a religious man? Do you believe in God?

Sinatra: Well, that’ll do for openers. I think I can sum up my religious feelings in a couple of paragraphs. First: I believe in you and me. I’m like Albert Schweitzer and Bertrand Russell and Albert Einstein in that I have a respect for life — in any form. I believe in nature, in the birds, the sea, the sky, in everything I can see or that there is real evidence for. If these things are what you mean by God, then I believe in God. But I don’t believe in a personal God to whom I look for comfort or for a natural on the next roll of the dice. I’m not unmindful of man’s seeming need for faith; I’m for anything that gets you through the night, be it prayer, tranquilizers or a bottle of Jack Daniel’s. But to me religion is a deeply personal thing in which man and God go it alone together, without the witch doctor in the middle. The witch doctor tries to convince us that we have to ask God for help, to spell out to him what we need, even to bribe him with prayer or cash on the line. Well, I believe that God knows what each of us wants and needs. It’s not necessary for us to make it to church on Sunday to reach Him. You can find Him anyplace. And if that sounds heretical, my source is pretty good: Matthew, Five to Seven, The Sermon on the Mount.

Playboy: You haven’t found any answers for yourself in organized religion?

Sinatra: There are things about organized religion which I resent. Christ is revered as the Prince of Peace, but more blood has been shed in His name than any other figure in history. You show me one step forward in the name of religion and I’ll show you a hundred retrogressions. Remember, they were men of God who destroyed the educational treasures at Alexandria, who perpetrated the Inquisition in Spain, who burned the witches at Salem. Over 25,000 organized religions flourish on this planet, but the followers of each think all the others are miserably misguided and probably evil as well. In India they worship white cows, monkeys and a dip in the Ganges. The Moslems accept slavery and prepare for Allah, who promises wine and revirginated women. And witch doctors aren’t just in Africa. If you look in the L.A. papers of a Sunday morning, you’ll see the local variety advertising their wares like suits with two pairs of pants.

Playboy: Hasn’t religious faith just as often served as a civilizing influence?

Sinatra: Remember that leering, cursing lynch mob in Little Rock reviling a meek, innocent little 12-year-old Negro girl as she tried to enroll in public school? Weren’t they — or most of them — devout churchgoers? I detest the two-faced who pretend liberality but are practiced bigots in their own mean little spheres. I didn’t tell my daughter whom to marry, but I’d have broken her back if she had had big eyes for a bigot. As I see it, man is a product of his conditioning, and the social forces which mold his morality and conduct — including racial prejudice — are influenced more by material things like food and economic necessities than by the fear and awe and bigotry generated by the high priests of commercialized superstition. Now don’t get me wrong. I’m for decency — period. I’m for anything and everything that bodes love and consideration for my fellow man. But when lip service to some mysterious deity permits bestiality on Wednesday and absolution on Sunday — cash me out.

Playboy: But aren’t such spiritual hypocrites in a minority? Aren’t most Americans fairly consistent in their conduct within the precepts of religious doctrine?

Sinatra: I’ve got no quarrel with men of decency at any level. But I can’t believe that decency stems only from religion. And I can’t help wondering how many public figures make avowals of religious faith to maintain an aura of respectability. Our civilization, such as it is, was shaped by religion, and the men who aspire to public office anyplace in the free world must make obeisance to God or risk immediate opprobrium. Our press accurately reflects the religious nature of our society, but you’ll notice that it also carries the articles and advertisements of astrology and hokey Elmer Gantry revivalists. We in America pride ourselves on freedom of the press, but every day I see, and so do you, this kind of dishonesty and distortion not only in this area but in reporting — about guys like me, for instance, which is of minor importance except to me; but also in reporting world news. How can a free people make decisions without facts? If the press reports world news as they report about me, we’re in trouble.

Playboy: Are you saying that .

Sinatra: No, wait, let me finish. Have you thought of the chance I’m taking by speaking out this way? Can you imagine the deluge of crank letters, curses, threats and obscenities I’ll receive after these remarks gain general circulation? Worse, the boycott of my records, my films, maybe a picket line at my opening at the Sands. Why? Because I’ve dared to say that love and decency are not necessarily concomitants of religious fervor.

Playboy: If you think you’re stepping over the line, offending your public or perhaps risking economic suicide, shall we cut this off now, erase the tape and start over along more antiseptic lines?

Sinatra: No, let’s let it run. I’ve thought this way for years, ached to say these things. Whom have I harmed by what I’ve said? What moral defection have I suggested? No, I don’t want to chicken out now. Come on, pal, the clock’s running
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THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE Honesty and frankness make you vulnerable. Be honest and frank anyway.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #45
  • From:New_zealand

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Date Posted:17-05-2017 05:40:17Copy HTML

Stephen Hawking said, “I’m an atheist.” This prompted a hundred theologians to tell an astrophysicist that he did not understand astrophysics. Why do apologists insist on trying to use science to “prove” their religious claims? ,,,,, Catherine Giordano

When Stephen Hawking talks about astrophysics, he gets beyond my ability to comprehend. I read his book “A Brief History of Time.” At least I tried to read it; I…
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"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #46
  • From:USA

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:18-05-2017 01:06:00Copy HTML

Yobbo: It is a weasel phrase to give Christians an out depending on the customs of the day.  Apparently they can ignore most if not all the dietary orders but must relentlessly pursue homosexuals.  Hard to fathom why they can declare that god changed its mind to require them to do what they want and ignore the things they do want to do.


It is a weasel phrase to give parents an out depending on the needs of the day.  Apparently they can ignore most if not all the  orders given to their kids, but must relentlessly pursue  principles such  'Do  not steal'.  Hard to fathom why they (kids)  can declare that a parent changed its mind to require them to do what they want and ignore the things they do want to do.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #47
  • From:New_zealand

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Date Posted:18-05-2017 08:41:18Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

Yobbo: It is a weasel phrase to give Christians an out depending on the customs of the day.  Apparently they can ignore most if not all the dietary orders but must relentlessly pursue homosexuals.  Hard to fathom why they can declare that god changed its mind to require them to do what they want and ignore the things they do want to do.


It is a weasel phrase to give parents an out depending on the needs of the day.  Apparently they can ignore most if not all the  orders given to their kids, but must relentlessly pursue  principles such  'Do  not steal'.  Hard to fathom why they (kids)  can declare that a parent changed its mind to require them to do what they want and ignore the things they do want to do.


That is as flimsy as any of the rot you spew.  There is no connection between the t
wo.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #48
  • From:USA

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:18-05-2017 06:17:16Copy HTML

Feel free to try and explain the difference. But till you do.............
Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #49
  • From:New_zealand

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:19-05-2017 04:18:38Copy HTML

Why?  You never make any attempt to explain anything you say even when asked.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #50
  • From:USA

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:19-05-2017 02:14:58Copy HTML

Ah, that sounds like whining because in truth, you do see the connection between the two.

And of course you would - its pretty obvious.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #51
  • From:Unknown

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:19-05-2017 06:07:40Copy HTML

 Tomas has a complete lack of comprehension that not everyone sees the world with his same delusions.  What is "obvious" to his fairy tale mind is laughable to those of us getting enough oxygen to our brains.
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  • From:USA

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:19-05-2017 10:08:05Copy HTML

Again, if there is any difference of substance below, either one of you are free to point it.  So far, no one has even attempted to do that.


Yobbo: It is a weasel phrase to give Christians an out depending on the customs of the day.  Apparently they can ignore most if not all the dietary orders but must relentlessly pursue homosexuals.  Hard to fathom why they can declare that god changed its mind to require them to do what they want and ignore the things they do want to do.


It is a weasel phrase to give parents an out depending on the needs of the day.  Apparently they can ignore most if not all the  orders given to their kids, but must relentlessly pursue  principles such  'Do  not steal'.  Hard to fathom why they (kids)  can declare that a parent changed its mind to require them to do what they want and ignore the things they do want to do.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #53
  • From:New_zealand

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Date Posted:19-05-2017 10:33:12Copy HTML

If you think that "custom" is the same as "need" you are fucked in the head or you only say that you believe it which  indicates that you are a liar.  No point to continue.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #54
  • From:USA

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:19-05-2017 10:56:26Copy HTML

Except - it is your claim that is it about 'customs' - you missed the point. (and so much for civil discourse from you - quite ironic).

But lets make it then easier for you.  I will do in the 2nd what you are doing in the first.



Yobbo: It is a weasel phrase to give Christians an out depending on the customs of the day.  Apparently they can ignore most if not all the dietary orders but must relentlessly pursue homosexuals.  Hard to fathom why they can declare that god changed its mind to require them to do what they want and ignore the things they do want to do.


It is a weasel phrase to give parents an out depending on the customs of the day.  Apparently they can ignore most if not all the  orders given to their kids, but must relentlessly pursue  principles such  'Do  not steal'.  Hard to fathom why they (kids)  can declare that a parent changed its mind to require them to do what they want and ignore the things they do want to do.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
easyrider123 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #55
  • From:Norway

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:24-05-2017 06:34:18Copy HTML

2 sense

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lillia3 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #56
  • From:USA

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Date Posted:01-06-2018 02:49:33Copy HTML

" What else does this craving, and this helplessness, proclaim but that there was once in man a true happiness. of which all that now remains is the empty print and trace? This he tries in vain to fill with everything around him, seeking in things that are not there the help he cannot find in those that are, though none can help, since this infinite abyss can be filled only with an infinite and immutable object, in other words by God Himself." Pascal
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wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #57
  • From:USA

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Date Posted:01-06-2018 11:06:46Copy HTML

Reply to Yobbo

A couple of excellent posts!
 
Christians completely ignore great swathes of the OT.  For example, eating pork, shellfish and other foods which are banned by their god.

On another subject, most Christians think how orthodox Jews and devout Muslims demand the way women must act and dress is silly but that is what the biblical god ordained.


You ignore reality and do not understand or believe in the topic anyway so why comment on what you dismiss and do not accept?
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #58
  • From:New_zealand

Re:G O D !

Date Posted:01-06-2018 08:22:22Copy HTML

Reply to wale63

Reply to Yobbo

A couple of excellent posts!
 
Christians completely ignore great swathes of the OT.  For example, eating pork, shellfish and other foods which are banned by their god.

On another subject, most Christians think how orthodox Jews and devout Muslims demand the way women must act and dress is silly but that is what the biblical god ordained.


You ignore reality and do not understand or believe in the topic anyway so why comment on what you dismiss and do not accept?

I pointed out that Christians such as you ignore great chunks of the bible and criticise groups who accept and act on what was written.  The fact that I believe that religions are simply the fantasies of primitives does not preclude my having an opinion.  There were other reasons for religions, possibly the most significant was to make ruling the people easier.
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  • From:New_zealand

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Date Posted:01-06-2018 09:21:01Copy HTML

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  • From:New_zealand

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Date Posted:01-06-2018 09:31:05Copy HTML

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