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Tomlapaz
  • From:USA

Date Posted:12-09-2018 03:49:44Copy HTML

I did not vote for him last election - likely will not next election, though  he has not been as bad as he could be.   And, of course, it could have been worse - it could have been Hillary.


But the point being, I can understand the dislike of him.   But can folk express, in words, why?     For example - his treatment of women - can I say it is uniquely different than Kennedy or Johnson?  Different in degree or in transparency perhaps, but all three cheated.


So, what is uniquely different?  If it could be put into words.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:12-09-2018 08:49:15Copy HTML

Lying is another example -  perhaps the way he lies?   But certainly not lying in and of itself.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:13-09-2018 03:50:15Copy HTML

On a president to president comparison, I think folk can find Trump different than the president being compared to.   For example, Obama did not cheat on his wife, Trump has (at least previous wives, and perhaps this one - frankly, don't keep up on this myself).


But as we all can agree, Trump cheating on his wife is not something new for someone who is a president - although apparently, at least while in office, he has not cheated on his wife.   Can't say that about some other presidents.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:14-09-2018 07:27:57Copy HTML

And actually, this thread was prompted by a similiar discussion started by someone else in another forum.   When asked for specifics, about examples not found with any other president, so far nothing came of it there either.


Yet, there does seem to be something different about him.   

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #4
  • From:New_zealand

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:14-09-2018 07:54:18Copy HTML

It is hard to imagine any other president to be such a stupid egotist as Trump.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
nateonthenet Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #5
  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:14-09-2018 03:26:33Copy HTML

well, he is mentally ill for one thing.
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  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:14-09-2018 03:27:33Copy HTML

he is completely ignorant too
In endlessly dragging debates over the nedia, the stupid opinion is treated with the same respect as the intelligent one, the misinformed may talk as long as the informed, and propaganda rides along with education, truth with falsehood. Herbert Marcuse
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  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:14-09-2018 03:28:20Copy HTML

did I mention he is amoral
In endlessly dragging debates over the nedia, the stupid opinion is treated with the same respect as the intelligent one, the misinformed may talk as long as the informed, and propaganda rides along with education, truth with falsehood. Herbert Marcuse
nateonthenet Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #8
  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:14-09-2018 03:29:42Copy HTML

did I mention he has removed 18 million people form health care? the list is pretty endless
In endlessly dragging debates over the nedia, the stupid opinion is treated with the same respect as the intelligent one, the misinformed may talk as long as the informed, and propaganda rides along with education, truth with falsehood. Herbert Marcuse
cathymv Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #9
  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:14-09-2018 03:50:06Copy HTML

He is not taking a salary and giving that money to a charity
Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment.....except for the election of Donald Trump.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #10
  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:14-09-2018 05:40:00Copy HTML

He is not taking a salary and giving that money to a charity _____ lolololololol.   His Trump hotel down the street makes more money on a weekend violating the emoluments clause than his yearly salary.He's spent over $80 million of your money going golfing.   Trump supporters really are this stupid arent they?  Rhetorical.

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #11
  • From:Argentina

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:14-09-2018 09:27:13Copy HTML

He fights back, and he uses the exact same tactics used against him against the users.


We know from boards like this that socialists love, love, love to smear, call names, label, denigrate, but when same is done to them, they wet their tighty whiteys and start talking about banning......................

Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #12
  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:14-09-2018 09:57:02Copy HTML

^^^ CLASSIC TEXTBOOK PROJECTION ^^^

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Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #13
  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:15-09-2018 06:33:36Copy HTML

But again, nothing specific that has not been said of another president.


Exact application might be, for example.   Lying aobut a specific thing, where no one other president has.   But other  presidents have lied.


Being sexually immoral on a specifc thing - but again, other presidents have been sexually immoral, or even have promoted such.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #14
  • From:Argentina

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:15-09-2018 12:39:16Copy HTML

Therein lies the conundrum, Tomas.


Trump has NOT done anything other presidents haven't done.


The sole unique character trait, IMHO, is that he fights back with the identical tactics used against him, and the leftwingers can't stand that.  They want to be able to say anything they want about him, no matter how vile, and he is to be expected to turn the other cheek.


This expectation, again IMHO, has been used successfully against conservatives in escalating fashion for decades.  It is part of the Alinsky methods.  If a conservative fights back, the left counters with 'family values' and 'so-called christianity' to shut them up.  If they don't shut up, the left just doubles down until they do.  It has been effective.


Until now.

Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #15
  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:15-09-2018 02:53:30Copy HTML

Scrumpie,


The sole unique character trait, IMHO, is that he fights back with the identical tactics used against him, and the leftwingers can't stand that. 


I posted the below just now in the other forum.   But, actually, what you posted above here may very well play into it also.   I have not paid as much attention to him, frankly, and have not given that thought.


And here is where I think I have been going with this.   It is Trump's personality that I think primarily  gets folk upset.  


Understandably I would say - but his acts as president are not really that outside the scope of other presidents.    


Frankly, judging from what I read, other presidents in private have said things that Trump has said in public - a difference, for sure, and for many annoying - but that could be both a plus and a minus.   And part of the thing with Trump ma simply be modern technology - we may have seen more of ithis from some earlier presidents also given the same tech.


But he does have again, I think, his personality that triggers such various responses.


Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #16
  • From:Argentina

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:15-09-2018 03:02:40Copy HTML

Tomas, I agree and I disagree.


Primarily, the left and never-Trumpers dislike Trump because he dared to win against their golden, unbeatable child.


Second, they may not like his personality.  


Well so what?  I didn't like Obama's personality, I absolutely loathed the personalities of both Clinton's and am quickly adding Chelsea to the list, and I think Bernie Sanders is grotesque, personality-wise.


People can think anything they want, but the bottom line is the country is doing much, much better under Trump, and people are much happier by and large, which can be clearly seen in our economic growth and jobs growth.

Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #17
  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:15-09-2018 04:06:13Copy HTML

The country is doing what it's been doing for the last 9 years, getting better in spite of Trump.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #18
  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:15-09-2018 06:07:18Copy HTML

And getting better in spite of Obama?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #19
  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:15-09-2018 06:12:57Copy HTML

Scrumpie,


You may be right - it is what I am exploring - to see if those who object to Trump (particularly object to him the way they do) can articulate why they do.



For example.   My objection to Trump is primarily the same as it would be to Romney or Bush at this point.   Federal government is out of control.   Now frankly, if Trump actually does more than make a dent into that, I would be impressed.   


Now, I cannot think of any specific harm he has done, that one cannot find with Obama or previous presidents.   I may prefer someone over his actual court appointments - but surely Clinton or Sanders would have had any better, and probably worse.


His personal life leaves something to be desired - but that is true of other presidents.   He is just more visible about it. 

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #20
  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:16-09-2018 06:44:13Copy HTML

Ironically, I would not be surpirised if had Trump espoused more views of the Democratic party (he seems to be a cross sometimes between Dems and GOP), and ran as a candidate, he would have gotten more of their support (and of course, resistance from GOP folk).


Even with the same personality.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
govols Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #21
  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:16-09-2018 07:30:47Copy HTML

The country is doing what it's been doing for the last 9 years, getting better in spite of Trump.


The country is not getting better. The country is a basket case. 

wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #22
  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:17-09-2018 12:58:48Copy HTML

The country is doing what it's been doing for the last 9 years, getting better in spite of Trump.


The country is not getting better. The country is a basket case. 


BUT we are coming out of the basket case Obama put us IN.

Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #23
  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:17-09-2018 01:49:28Copy HTML

The country is doing what it's been doing for the last 9 years, getting better in spite of Trump.


The country is not getting better. The country is a basket case. 



Really?

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wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #24
  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:17-09-2018 04:28:02Copy HTML

The country is doing what it's been doing for the last 9 years, getting better in spite of Trump.


The country is not getting better. The country is a basket case. 



Really?


Yes, except in your lefty coccoon.

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  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:17-09-2018 06:15:18Copy HTML

Wale, in case that dysfunctional blob of tenuously organized neurons that you use for a mind is keeping you from noticing, I think the country IS getting better, economically speaking.  It's govols who is of the opinion that it's a "basket case" and is not getting better.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
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  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:17-09-2018 08:37:27Copy HTML

Wale, in case that dysfunctional blob of tenuously organized neurons that you use for a mind is keeping you from noticing, I think the country IS getting better, economically speaking.  It's govols who is of the opinion that it's a "basket case" and is not getting better.


Yes BUT you said DESPITE Trump, and that continues your disconnect.

Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #27
  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:17-09-2018 10:43:26Copy HTML

Observe the following economic indicator graphs:




Did you notice that the average slope or trend of each graph is virtually unchanged during the Trump administration from that during the Obama administration?

That fact tells the observer that the Trump administration has had virtually no effect upon the economic trends.  In other words that economy has improved in spite of Trump, not because of trump.

Sorry, wale, but it is you who is harboring a disconnect with reality.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
govols Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #28
  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:17-09-2018 11:24:49Copy HTML

Those trends say nothing about the basket case nature of the current condition of these "United" States. 

Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #29
  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:18-09-2018 12:04:12Copy HTML

Perhaps you could elaborate on that?

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #30
  • From:USA

Re:How is Trump uniquely different then every other president.

Date Posted:18-09-2018 12:04:46Copy HTML

Observe the following economic indicator graphs:




Did you notice that the average slope or trend of each graph is virtually unchanged during the Trump administration from that during the Obama administration?

That fact tells the observer that the Trump administration has had virtually no effect upon the economic trends.  In other words that economy has improved in spite of Trump, not because of trump.

Sorry, wale, but it is you who is harboring a disconnect with reality.


GDP never grew at an annual rate 3% or above under Obama. SORRY, FACTS

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