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easyrider123
  • From:Norway

Date Posted:29-07-2015 03:24:38Copy HTML

Why I Support the BDS Movement Against Israel

"Gaza, a year after Israel carried out a devastating bombing campaign that lasted almost two months, is in ruins," writes Hedges. (Photo: Agencia de Noticias/flickr/cc)

The Palestinians are poor. They are powerless. They have no voice or influence in the halls of power. They are demonized. They do not have well-heeled lobbyists doling out campaign contributions and pushing through pro-Palestinian legislation. No presidential candidate is appealing to donors—as Hillary Clinton did when she sent a letter to media mogul Haim Saban denouncing critics of Israel—by promising to advance the interests of the Palestinian people. Palestinians, like poor people of color in the United States, are expendable.

Justice for Palestine will never come from the traditional governmental institutions or political parties that administer power. These institutions have surrendered to moneyed interests. Justice will come only from us. And the sole mechanism left to ensure justice for Palestine is the boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) movement against Israel. Sanctions brought down the apartheid regime of South Africa. And they are what will bring down the apartheid regime of Israel. BDS is nonviolent. It appeals to conscience. And it works.

The struggle against apartheid in South Africa was long and hard. This struggle will be too.All Israeli products including Jaffa citrus fruits, Ahava cosmetics, SodaStream drink machines, Eden Springs bottled water and Israeli wine must be boycotted. We must refuse to do business with Israeli service companies. And we must boycott corporations that do business with Israel, including Caterpillar, HP and Hyundai. We must put pressure on institutions, from churches to universities, to divest from Israeli companies and corporations that have contracts with Israel. The struggle against apartheid in South Africa was long and hard. This struggle will be too. 

Gaza, a year after Israel carried out a devastating bombing campaign that lasted almost two months, is in ruins. Most of the water is unsafe to drink. There are power outages for up to 12 hours a day. Forty percent of the 1.8 million inhabitants are unemployed, including 67 percent of the youths—the highest youth unemployment rate in the world. Of the 17,000 homes destroyed by Israel in the siege, not one has been rebuilt. Sixty thousand people remain homeless. Only a quarter of the promised $3.5 billion in aid from international donors has been delivered—much of it diverted to the Palestinian Authority, the Israeli puppet regime that governs the West Bank. And no one in Washington—Republican or Democrat—will defy the Israel lobby. No one will call for justice or stay the Israeli killing machine. U.S. senators, including Bernie Sanders, at the height of the Israeli bombardment last summer voted unanimously to defend the Israeli slaughter of a people with no army, navy, air force, mechanized units, artillery or command and control. It was a vote worthy of the old Soviet Union. Every senator held out his or her tin cup to the Israel lobby and chose naked self-interest over justice.

Israel, like the United States, is poisoned by the psychosis of permanent war. It too is governed by a corrupt oligarchic elite for whom war has become a lucrative business.

Israel, like the United States, is poisoned by the psychosis of permanent war. It too is governed by a corrupt oligarchic elite for whom war has become a lucrative business. It too has deluded itself into carrying out war crimes and then playing the role of the victim. Israeli systems of education and the press—again mirrored in the United States—have indoctrinated Israelis into believing that they have a right to kill anyone whom the state condemns as a terrorist. And Israel’s most courageous human rights campaigners, intellectuals and journalists are slandered and censored in their own country, just as American critics such as Norman FinkelsteinMax Blumenthal and Noam Chomsky are in the United States. 

Those who become addicted to the wielding of the instruments of war, blinded by hubris and a lust for power, eventually become war’s victims. This is as true for Israel as for the United States. 

Israel’s goal is to make life a living hell for all Palestinians, ethnically cleansing as many as it can and subduing those who remain. The peace process is a sham. It has led to Israel’s seizure of more than half the land on the West Bank, including the aquifers, and the herding of Palestinians into squalid, ringed ghettos or Bantustans while turning Palestinian land and homes over to Jewish settlers. Israel is expanding settlements, especially in East Jerusalem. Racial laws, once championed by the right-wing demagogue Meir Kahane, openly discriminate against Israeli Arabs and Palestinians. Ilan Pappe calls the decades-long assault against the Palestinian people “incremental genocide.”

In Gaza, Israel practices an even more extreme form of cruelty. It employs a mathematical formula to limit outside food deliveries to Gaza to keep the caloric levels of the 1.8 million Palestinians just above starvation. This has left 80 percent of the Palestinians in Gaza dependent on Islamic charities and outside aid to survive. And the periodic military assaults on Gaza, euphemistically called “mowing the lawn,” are carried out every few years to ensure that the Palestinians remain broken, terrified and destitute. There have been three Israeli attacks on Gaza since 2008. Each is more violent and indiscriminate than the last. Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman has said that a fourth attack on Gaza is “inevitable.”

Israel is not an anomaly. It is a window into the dystopian, militarized world that is being prepared for all of us, a world with vast disparities of income and draconian systems of internal security. There will be no freedom for Palestine, or for those locked in our own internal colonies and terrorized by indiscriminate police violence, until we destroy corporate capitalism and the neoliberal ideology that sustains it.

During its 51-day siege of Gaza last summer Israel dropped $370 million in ordinance on concrete hovels and refugee camps that hold the most densely packed population on the planet. Two thousand one hundred four Palestinians were killed. Sixty-nine percent—1,462—were civilians. Four hundred ninety-five were children. Ten thousand were injured. (During the attack six Israeli civilians and 66 soldiers were killed.) Four hundred Palestinian businesses were wiped out. Seventy mosques were destroyed and 130 were damaged. Twenty-four medical facilities were bombed, and 16 ambulances were struck, as was Gaza’s only electrical power plant. Israel tallied it up: 390,000 tank shells, 34,000 artillery shells, 4.8 million bullets. Most of the civilians who died were killed in their homes, many of the victims torn to shreds by flechette dartssprayed from tanks. Children were burned with white phosphorous or buried with their families under rubble caused by 2,000-pound iron fragmentation bombs. Others died from dense inert metal explosive, or DIME, bombs—experimental weapons that send out extremely small, carcinogenic particles that cut through both soft tissue and bone. The Israel Defense Forces, as Amira Hass has reported, consider any Palestinian over the age of 12 to be a legitimate military target. Max Blumenthal’s new book, “The 51 Day War,” is a chilling chronicle of savage atrocities carried out by Israel in Gaza last summer. As horrible as the apartheid state in South Africa was, that nation never used its air force and heavy artillery to bomb and shell black townships.

A report by Action on Armed Violence (AOAV) found Israel killed and injured more civilians with explosive weapons in 2014 than any other country in the world. Hamas’ indiscriminate firing of wildly inaccurate missiles—Finkelstein correctly called them “enhanced fireworks”—into Israel was, as a U.N. report recently charged, a war crime, although the report failed to note that under international law Hamas had a right to use force to defend itself from attack.

The disparity of firepower in the 2014 conflict was vast: Israel dropped 20,000 tons of explosives on Gaza while Hamas used 20 to 40 tons of explosives to retaliate. Israel’s wholesale slaughter of civilians is on a scale equaled only by Islamic State and Boko Haram. Yet Israel, in our world of double standards, is exempted from condemnation in Washington and provided with weapons and billions in U.S. foreign aid to perpetuate the killing. This is not surprising. The United States uses indiscriminate deadly force in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia that outdoes even Israel, leaving behind civilian victims, refugees and destroyed cities and villages in huge numbers.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who during his last election campaign received 90 percent of his money from U.S. oligarchs such as Sheldon Adelson, has internally mounted a campaign of state repression against human rights advocates, journalists and dissidents. He has stoked overt racism toward Palestinians and Arabs and the African migrant workers who live in the slums of Tel Aviv. “Death to Arabs” is a popular chant at Israeli soccer matches. Thugs from right-wing youth groups such as Im Tirtzu routinely beat up dissidents, Palestinians, Israeli Arabs and African immigrants in the streets of Tel Aviv. It is a species of Jewish fascism.

Israel is not an anomaly. It is a window into the dystopian, militarized world that is being prepared for all of us, a world with vast disparities of income and draconian systems of internal security. There will be no freedom for Palestine, or for those locked in our own internal colonies and terrorized by indiscriminate police violence, until we destroy corporate capitalism and the neoliberal ideology that sustains it. There will be no justice for Michael Brown until there is justice for Mohammed Abu Khdeir. The fight for the Palestinians is our fight. If the Palestinians are not liberated none of us will be liberated. We cannot pick and choose which of the oppressed are convenient or inconvenient to defend. We will stand with all of the oppressed or none of the oppressed. And when we stand with the oppressed we will be treated like the oppressed.

Chris Hedges writes a regular column for Truthdig.com. Hedges graduated from Harvard Divinity School and was for nearly two decades a foreign correspondent for The New York Times. He is the author of many books, including: War Is A Force That Gives Us Meaning,What Every Person Should Know About War, and American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America.  His most recent book is Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle.

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  • From:USA

Re:Important Israeli Facts that Affect Americans and The World..............

Date Posted:29-07-2015 03:29:20Copy HTML

Why do you hate Israel?
DRJim
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  • From:Norway

Re:Important Israeli Facts that Affect Americans and The World..............

Date Posted:29-07-2015 03:52:15Copy HTML

I don't hate them, I just like to expose their evil doings, and remind my fellow Americans what we all are seen to be by our support of the criminal behavior of Israel. 

Weren't you against the apartheid in South Africa? What Israel is doing is even worse, and we are facilitating it. Are you OK with that?

Just this single article and the facts related should be enough....... are you dead in your soul?
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  • From:USA

Re:Important Israeli Facts that Affect Americans and The World..............

Date Posted:29-07-2015 06:07:17Copy HTML

 Easy, you've been posting this eeeeeeevil jooooos propaganda as long as I've known you The only difference between back then and now is that you've toned down your rhetoric a little and you stopped posting swastikas and bloody pictures..

Why can't you just quit on it?

“Anybody can be charming if they don't mind faking it, saying all the stupid, obvious, nauseating things that a conscience keeps most people from saying. Happily, I don't have a conscience. I say them.” -Dexter Morgan
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  • From:Norway

Re:Important Israeli Facts that Affect Americans and The World..............

Date Posted:29-07-2015 05:28:08Copy HTML

Just shut the fuck up gomer, if you don't have anything to say. Fucking idiot

Your perceptions may have changed, my thoughts on Israel and our involvement has not changed.

I just toned down my responses to morons like you.

You're OK with this?.................Israel, like the United States, is poisoned by the psychosis of permanent war. It too is governed by a corrupt oligarchic elite for whom war has become a lucrative business. It too has deluded itself into carrying out war crimes and then playing the role of the victim. Israeli systems of education and the press—again mirrored in the United States—have indoctrinated Israelis into believing that they have a right to kill anyone whom the state condemns as a terrorist. And Israel’s most courageous human rights campaigners, intellectuals and journalists are slandered and censored in their own country, just as American critics such as Norman FinkelsteinMax Blumenthal and Noam Chomsky are in the United States. 

Those who become addicted to the wielding of the instruments of war, blinded by hubris and a lust for power, eventually become war’s victims. This is as true for Israel as for the United States. 

Israel’s goal is to make life a living hell for all Palestinians, ethnically cleansing as many as it can and subduing those who remain. The peace process is a sham. It has led to Israel’s seizure of more than half the land on the West Bank, including the aquifers, and the herding of Palestinians into squalid, ringed ghettos or Bantustans while turning Palestinian land and homes over to Jewish settlers. Israel is expanding settlements, especially in East Jerusalem. Racial laws, once championed by the right-wing demagogue Meir Kahane, openly discriminate against Israeli Arabs and Palestinians. Ilan Pappe calls the decades-long assault against the Palestinian people “incremental genocide.”


I am not OK with it and I never will be. I just refuse to associate with supremacism, apartheid, genocide, oppression and war crimes carried out with our OK and American tax dollars tying us all to this horror..

Maybe you can explain why you are OK with it? Can you?



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  • From:Argentina

Re:Important Israeli Facts that Affect Americans and The World..............

Date Posted:29-07-2015 06:07:23Copy HTML

Full moon in two days.......
Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
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  • From:Norway

Re:Important Israeli Facts that Affect Americans and The World..............

Date Posted:29-07-2015 06:18:06Copy HTML

Do either of you even have a single clue? Like two retarded parrots .............. they don't even know what or why they say things.

Come on skrumpie, why do you support the supremacist, terrorist right wing Zionist regime of Israel? 

Gomer(bugs) of course has no clue, he just figures it's safer to stay in line and go with the propaganda. Not much thinking going on there below the surface.

Delusions of grandeur in the shallow end of the pool, life is grand............lol

 
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  • From:USA

Re:Important Israeli Facts that Affect Americans and The World..............

Date Posted:30-07-2015 02:19:07Copy HTML

 Evict the damned "palestinians".  Problem solved.

Little of the screed in the OP is a fact, boring or otherwise.

A boring fact would be like this...

  • Porcupines can't turn their heads very much.
  • Beluga whales are the only whale that can turn their heads.
  • You can build an air conditioner using only a desk fan, a trash bag, a card board box, some ice and a sharp knife.

Now you try.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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  • From:Norway

Re:Important Israeli Facts that Affect Americans and The World..............

Date Posted:30-07-2015 02:35:02Copy HTML

Yes, well I'm sorry you have such a limited scope of understanding factual realities beyond cute animal facts and how to hillbilly air conditioner plans.

By the way Israel is evicting and murdering the Palestinians as we speak. Disturbing to see so  many Americans supporting such evil being done under their watch and with their tax dollars.


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  • From:USA

Re:Important Israeli Facts that Affect Americans and The World..............

Date Posted:30-07-2015 02:42:32Copy HTML

Reply to easyrider123

Yes, well I'm sorry you have such a limited scope of understanding factual realities beyond cte animal facts and how to hillbilly air conditioner plans.

By the way Israel is evicting and murdering the Palestinians as we speak. Disturbing to see so  many Americans supporting such evil being done under their watch and with their tax dollars.



And in Saudi Arabia they are bull whipping women (when they're not burying them in the ground and throwing rocks at their faces until they die), killing homosexuals and holding Philippina maids in domestic slavery.

Shall we go into the atrocities of the other nations in the region that your beloved god, unka sam, is sending tax $ & weapons to?

No?

I thought not.

But let me ask you this.

I am Unka Sam.  I hereby evict you to the middle eastern nation of your choice.

Which one are you going to pick?
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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  • From:Norway

Re:Important Israeli Facts that Affect Americans and The World..............

Date Posted:30-07-2015 07:11:44Copy HTML

Well of course my answer is to cut ties with Israel and go home and stop feeding them our tax dollars and weaponry, stop making deals where our soldiers are fighting and dying for Israel. Stop protecting them from the U.N. security council. 

Throw A.I.P.A.C. out. Get Zionist Israelis out of our government. 

Then let Israel do anything they want, just not on our dime, with our assistance, with our blood, and not with so much influence in our Congress and Foreign Affairs Dept.

Cut em loose, completely. Then I will be happy.


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  • From:Norway

Re:Important Israeli Facts that Affect Americans and The World..............

Date Posted:30-07-2015 10:24:18Copy HTML

Do any of you support this?


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  • From:Norway

Re:Important Israeli Facts that Affect Americans and The World..............

Date Posted:30-07-2015 10:30:42Copy HTML

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  • From:USA

Re:Important Israeli Facts that Affect Americans and The World..............

Date Posted:30-07-2015 11:00:03Copy HTML

From DocJim,

 "Why do you hate Israel?"

Docjim:
It probably is for one of the following possible reasons:

a.  He's an Arab.
b.  He hates them because they have successfully defended themselves against
    Arab hate, lies, and aggression for over 65yrs.
c.  He has completely bought into Arab falsehoods and  propaganda.
d. He, perhaps, believes, as many Arab Muslims do, that they have an absolute right to
    rule over Infidels.
e. He likes the Arab version of history better than the Israeli version (which, of course,
    I believe, is more truthful).

I've been away from this form for a long time.  It's almost like a homecoming to see you're still here, 
and Easyrider is still up to his old stuff.  Maybe he just hates Jews;  there are still plenty of those
around, you know.
Al 
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  • From:Norway

Re:Important Israeli Facts that Affect Americans and The World..............

Date Posted:30-07-2015 11:12:36Copy HTML

Oh Al, you know it's none of the above. I'm pretty straight and forthcoming about my dislike for the Zionist regime of Israel and our horrible affiliation with them. I thought you were smarter than to try that ridiculous "hates Jews" line on me. 
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  • From:USA

Re:Important Israeli Facts that Affect Americans and The World..............

Date Posted:31-07-2015 02:11:31Copy HTML

Once again, though he will not answer.

EZ, I am president and god walking this earth, Alaskobama.  I am banishing you & your family from the United States.  You make pick the middle eastern nation of your choice to spend the rest of your life in.

Here, since geography is hard...

You may select one of the following.

Israel
Egypt
Saudi Arabia
Kuwait
Syria
Jordan
Iraq
Iran
UAE
Lebanon

I'm restricting the choice to 10 so as not to overwhelm you.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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  • From:Norway

Re:Important Israeli Facts that Affect Americans and The World..............

Date Posted:31-07-2015 03:18:44Copy HTML

Are you taking drugs alaska? Your fantasy question doesn't interest me, and it has no relevance to what I'm saying.

The only places I'd move to would be in Scandinavia 1st, European nations on the Mediterranean 2nd, Ireland 3d, New Zealand 4th, and Brazil or Columbia 5th, Dominican Republic 6th, Thailand/Vietnam 7th

See, I don't have any desire to reside in the Middle East 

The U.S. and Israel have made it inhabitable from my perspective. Buy a fucking clue
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  • From:USA

Re:Important Israeli Facts that Affect Americans and The World..............

Date Posted:31-07-2015 03:34:02Copy HTML

I knew you would refuse to answer because the facts on the ground are Israel is the only remotely civilized nation in the middle east, a tiny island of civilization in a sea of barbarians... perhaps too civilized as the human tradition is that conquerors usually slaughter the conquered and Israel has refused to do so.

Israel is a refuge for the Jews.  It is a shelter against people like the local muslims and like yourself, who would prefer them wiped off the face of the earth.

And it's fine that you feel that way.  It's stupid, but it's your right.  Meanwhile, the Jews are aware of the intentions of folks like yourself and the local muslims. 

Even without our aide, Israel is a match for all it's enemies in the region.  They will fight to the death to defend themselves and there really is nothing at all you can do about that.


Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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  • From:Norway

Re:Important Israeli Facts that Affect Americans and The World..............

Date Posted:31-07-2015 04:06:28Copy HTML

Good, more power to them. Now let's get the hell out of the m.E. and let the chips fall where they may.

I'd want to live in Israel about as much as I would have wanted to live in South Africa during apartheid or Nazi Germany in the 30s and 40s. Israel is a war criminal terrorist nation state alaska, wake up man.
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  • From:USA

Re:Important Israeli Facts that Affect Americans and The World..............

Date Posted:31-07-2015 04:23:30Copy HTML

Reply to easyrider123

Good, more power to them. Now let's get the hell out of the m.E. and let the chips fall where they may.

I'd want to live in Israel about as much as I would have wanted to live in South Africa during apartheid or Nazi Germany in the 30s and 40s. Israel is a war criminal terrorist nation state alaska, wake up man.

No, it's not.  It's a tiny island in a sea of cannibals.  It's rarely successful to ask a cannibal nicely to please stop gnawing on your leg.

And I agree.  No more foreign aide... anywhere.  Let the barbarians eat each other in peace.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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  • From:USA

Re:Important Israeli Facts that Affect Americans and The World..............

Date Posted:31-07-2015 05:03:57Copy HTML

And, for the record, were I forced to choose among the list as a new home for myself and my girls, Israel is the only choice.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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  • From:Norway

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Date Posted:31-07-2015 06:29:56Copy HTML

Sheldon's Stooges
By Uri Avnery
For anyone just arrived from the planet Mars, here is a brief summary of Israel's dependence on the US. -http://www.informationc
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  • From:USA

Re:Important Israeli Facts that Affect Americans and The World..............

Date Posted:01-08-2015 07:25:01Copy HTML

Lebanon

a perfectly fine place to live. Beirut has recovered quite nicely from the civil war between Christians and Muslims.

Egypt

Egypt has been civilized for roughly 6,000 years now. The revolt against Mubarak, and the succeeding governments, have done little to actually affect that civilization. Al Azhar University is one of the top universities in the Middle East and, hell, amongst the best in the world. Suggesting that living in Egypt is a worse prospect than living in Israel is, frankly, fucking damn stupid. I would love to live in Egypt, and I'd take it a THOUSAND times over Israel.

Saudi Arabia
Kuwait

Both of these places are not uncivilized, both of them are too hot and too expensive to live comfortably UNLESS you're rich. But that is a function of location, not eeeeeeevil Mooooooozlums.

Iraq--under Saddam, again quite livable. If you minded your own business, and didn't try to revolt or destroy the regime, Saddam left you alone. Our understanding of it is like the understanding of Rome people have reading JUST Suetonius, if you read the Twelve Caesars you get the impression that folks were being knocked off every day in their thousands, but, in fact, like Saddam, the excesses of the Caesars hit pretty much only the top and elite classes...for everyday folks, life was not bad at all. Under Saddam, for example, Iraqi women were making GREAT strides.

Syria--civil war right now. But before that, and especially in Damascus, a pretty nice place to live. The Baathists, in case you're too fucking stupid to look it up, are secular in ideology, and the Assads both kept a firm hand on the religious elements. Bashir is weaker than his father, and that's why the religious elements have been able to act up. But prior to these past few years, Syria, assuming one was educated (I can see where that might give you problems) was again quite livable.

Jordan--where do you get the idea that Jordan is some fucked up place? Have you even BOTHERED to look at these countries? Or is your ASSumption that because they're predominantly Mooooooooozlum they MUST be hellholes? Do you ever actually look for information about the things that you talk about, or do you just not give a fuck if your statements bear a million miles at LEAST from the reality? Jesus. Jordan under the Hashemites is doing pretty fucking damn well.

Iran--I'd LOVE to spend a few years in Iran. So much history, so much glory, and a VERY stable government under the Islamic Republic. Have you ever seen the bazaars in Teheran or other cities? Did you know that the majority of college students in Iran are women? Did you care? Or does the fact that they're Mooooooozlum automatically mean, again, that they must be hell on earth?

I don't think you've ever read jackshit about the Middle East except for some rightwing political screeds. You sure as FUCK show not the slightest clue of these nation's peoples, lands, histories, cultures or, beyond the top 5%, anything about the people either.

And then there's Israel. If you're an Arab-Israeli, life isn't all that great for you. Did you serve in the military in this country, Alaska? Would you have enjoyed being conscripted and forced into the army? Because if you're Israeli, that's your lot. Do you think there are no poor, no hungry in Israel? Think again. Think there's no racial prejudice? Ask the Sephardim how well they are treated by their Ashkenazim overlords. Ever wonder why, when so many Israelis came from African countries all the leaders are as white as they are in the US?

Israel is a refuge for the Jews. It is a shelter against people like the local muslims and like yourself, who would prefer them wiped off the face of the earth.

Frankly, the words of a dullard. Jews lived in FAR greater peace in Muslim lands than they have in Christian lands. If you'd have been a Jew in Russia, in the Ukraine, in any Christian country, you were FAR FAR more despised than you were in Muslim lands. Israel is indeed a refuge for the Jews, but it sure wasn't a refuge against the Muslims, but rather good, white, Euro-American Christians like yourself. It's ironic as hell, or stupid as hell, I can't tell which, to listen to you natter on about the Jews being wiped out when the only ones who ever actually TRIED to do so were fucking European Christians. See what happened in England, in Spain, in Germany, in a dozen European countries for CENTURIES, and then come tell me that the past 75 years of Muslim/Israeli problems prove that Israel is a refuge against Muslims.

I find myself ignoring your posts more and more because I can't stand your utter, okay, I won't call it stupidity, but I will call it willful ignorance when you make statements like you do above without knowing the FIRST thing about history, or the peoples of that area. You are a sap for propaganda, I could get you to believe ANYTHING I wanted to as long as I cast it in terms you approve of, lord, you are the very STUFF of which dictatorships are made of, people who will jibber-jabber back the official line, oblivious and ignorant to reality, as long as that official line is said in way pleasing to their ears.

You gotta stop this, alaska. You GOTTA get yourself educated. Because that post was one of the ten most ignorant EVER to appear on this forum.

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It's probably no great surprise to anyone that you would admire those places.

http://www.editinternational.com/read.php?id=47ddcef722fca

Yeah.  You would fit right in.
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ER,

It has been my distinct pleasure to insure that our IDF Allies have the best state of the art technology, and able to place a missile through a specified pane of glass!!!!!

We started with the AN/AVS-7, and we have progressed from there. It is VERY important they are capable of placing a bomb or missile within a defined 3 meter target, and we Americans have both enabled that and we have trained the Israeli companies to create state of the art targeting capability.

They NOW own that space!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Curm

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It's true I've always wanted to visit Iran, and Lebanon. Been to Morocco though. 

Iran is such a beautiful country with such a historical and cultural treasure . 

Not to mention, they have some good skiing.


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Iran is a terrible place huh alaska? You'd much rather be in the racist supremacist Israel.......

Because you don't have a clue


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Interesting how at home some folks profess they would be... in a dictatorship or religious theocracy... so long as the scenery is pretty.

This is because while they may profess an interest in humanity, the reality is they could not possibly care less so long as they are not the ones receiving 'quality time' from the authorities.
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NeoCon Zionism – America’s 5th Column

Israeli militants, American gangsters shaking pillars of United States

 ( First published on Press TV … December 23, 2012 )

 

           … by Jim W. Dean, VT Editor                           … and Press TV

 

American’s “pop culture” news is filled with stories of Iran suffering financially under sanctions. Sitting in a nation, long bankrupt, $16 trillion dollars in debt,  bleeding cash into Israel, money spent to push America into another losing war, and all our press can talk about is Iran.

It would be fair to talk about the worldwide financial meltdown but even then some difficult questions might be asked such as, “Who caused it?”

Nobody wants those answers because then they would have to do something about it.

Thus, the drowning man, going down for the last time, points a finger and laughs at the man on shore who is running short of drinking water and feels smug. His enemy is finally feeling “sanctions” even though the “drowning man” may never live long enough to enjoy the moment of empty triumph.

No one wants to talk about how the War on Terror turned out to be a terror campaign on America. The old America was blown up by the Bush NeoCons, freedoms gone, constant surveillance, a generation of wealth stolen with help of our own Congress, the Money Mullahs.

A page of this history will be the recent scathing Senate report on the billions wasted by the Department of Homeland Security Fusion Centers on make believe Counter-Intel programs. It got it’s one day of publicity, but all the reporting I have read about it so far has a huge missing item.

The billions wasted on the Intel sharing Fusion Center program is just the tip of the iceberg. Sixty billion was admitted to just in WoT contractor fraud alone this past Spring.

The whole war on terror has ended up being a cash cow that has funded those who have turned out to be our most dangerous enemies. Banksters and gangsters teamed up mortgage fraud crooks and Neo-Colonialism hustlers to terrorize America on a scale that no Jihadi ever dreamed possible.

Bush lied to us when he said the Muslims hated us for our freedom and wanted to take that away. The proof? After 911 the State Department did a world wide major survey of Muslim attitudes on America. The results were startling, with upwards to 90% liking the American people and most wanting to move here if they could. The majority of their negative comments all focused around the American ‘government policies’ in the Mid East…not its people.

Bush was of course aware of this study. But he went ahead and shamed our country by lying through his teeth about the Muslims all wanting to come after us. Why did he do it? He knew the report was on record that totally refuted what he was saying.

Bush was not going to let anything get in his way of exploiting 911 to play the big man and go after Saddam. The NeoCon crowd had been harping for years about pre-emptive strikes, eliminating ‘potential’ enemies. Israeli Intelligence was all on board and the Lobby made sure their Congressional lackies followed suit.

Rumsfeld Resigns

Donald Rumsfeld is on record for stating that we had spent all this money on the American military, it should be used for something, I guess like starting some wars.

And of course he was the ‘war on the cheap’ architect, the modern neo-warrior. Victory will not take long, the cost predictable. We can put in another puppet government to deal with the locals with their cheap soldiers and expensive American weapons.

Almost everything they told us was a lie, the estimates that we could recover the Iraq war cost with just a few years of Iraqi oil revenues, that there would be no real resistance because we would build Disney land parks, MacDonalds, and bring Madonna in for free concerts so everyone would love America.

The NeoCon crowd was clueless and delusional about what was facing them. Anybody in the Pentagon who put legitimate warnings on the table was purged. General Shinseki was the first of many.

Terror started in the Pentagon. Open your mouth and you got kicked out, period. The officer corp got the message and the dual Israeli citizens there were keeping name lists. Yes, the Pentagon has a 5th column looking out after you know who’s interests.

But there was something else they were not delusional about. They were going to ride the war not only to the big pot of gold from the war economy, but use it to fund themselves through corrupt contracting graft to continually fund their own shadow intelligence and special ops capability.

The war contracting graft was just a jump start. They were also looking at oil and taking over the heroin business. Someone came up with the concept that leaving it in the hands of drug dealers was a national security risk.

So American servicemen and women would fight and die for oil pipelines and a War on Terror excuse that would put an Amway billionaire’s son-in-law in the private army business, funded by the American taxpayer, but available to moonlight on jobs not for the home team, but someone else’s…their own.

Veterans Today still has an award out for a photo of the Taliban’s flying stealth  mules who are airlifting that $60 billion in heroin out of Afghanistan and into the criminal cabal coffers. The cabal makes a good part of that available to buy both political and prosecution protection from current and future national leaderships who want to say goodbye to campaign funding problems.

Mountains of drugs still flowing despite all the hi-tech surveillance

Our Supreme Court left the foreign campaign funding back door wide open with their Citizens United case ruling. And our Intel sources tell us that international drug dealers were not only attending Romney’s fundraisers overseas, but even got to fly on his plane.

If you are thinking that I forgot about the wasted billions, I did not. The folks back home, the ‘right folks’, they have to get a little piece of the war pie, also. Funding poured into the new homeland security and it was looted and pilfered to the best of the insiders abilities.

To most American politicians and constituents there is no such thing as wasted funding as long as they are getting it. Taking good care of state law enforcement is always a political priority. And when the recession started kicking in with forced early retirements and layoffs even for government workers, taking care of those people buys you a lot of campaign support..

The DHS Fusion Center billions, coordinating federal and state Intel, were used as a piggy bank for law enforcement. The report describes training for personnel as only FIVE days (the bells went ringing on that) and the states would be put in control of how the money was spent. In plain English that meant it would replace budget cuts in departments with Fed funded patronage…and to buy tech toys.

And because they all knew there was no real terrorism going on here, there would be plenty of money to divert, and divert they did. As for reports, they just generated some garbage, some so bad they shocked the investigators. Six hundred reviewed for one year had nothing to do with terrorism.

There was no Federal oversight for the first five years folks. This was not left out by accident. It was a designed graft fraud by people who already had a lot of experience in doing this. With no real terrorists to catch, the Barney Fife’s at the Fusion Centers started making up threats.

The corruption went so deep that we had reports of the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center  infiltrating DHS to get some bad reports issues on new fund raising threats they wanted to publicize.

On the list along with the hyped up militia threat, were the War on Terror vets returning to a county where traitors here were stealing their tax money, putting their families in debt, and using them as ‘fill in’ terrorists to keep their paychecks flowing. That is why I used the title above. These people are the real terrorists, and the worst ones.

Were the FBI sting operations used to manufacture WoT statistics?

The FBI and DoJ do not escape scott free. To generate some statistics for their anti-terrorist work they began their sting operations, most of them shocking in their transparent entrapment.

The Intel community was embarrassed and ashamed by these, particularly the Hutaree Militia case, which was dismissed. We noticed that often these cases seemed to break into the news at politically important times.

After all their lies, all of their failures, their looting and selling the troops out for thirty pieces of silver there is a lot less loyalty to the command structure. Everyone in a position to be crooked is considered a potential threat and dealt with as such.

Fifty percent of West Pointers are punching out after their five year commitment. I have interviewed some of their parents. Many saw it all for what it was, a mercenary imperial exercise of looting and graft that had absolutely nothing to do with protecting America. We could have done a better job defending ourselves by building hospitals and schools throughout the Muslim world at a fraction of the war cost and saved all of those lives and the suffering.

So I close by asking our Muslim friends out there to remember this distinction. You have enemies here for sure, as you do over there. We can even give you their names. But they do not include most Americans, nor even much of the military returning from the theaters.

Who would want to be ruled over by American gangsters? We don’t here. Maybe we can work out some kind of deal together to get rid of ours, the militant Israelis, the drug dealer cabal and the market bombers, so we could be free of them all. May God help to do so, as we really it.

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Easy, you've been posting this eeeeeeevil jooooos propaganda as long as I've known you The only difference between back then and now is that you've toned down your rhetoric a little and you stopped posting swastikas and bloody pictures..

Why can't you just quit on it?

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Date Posted:02-08-2015 04:10:08Copy HTML

Why don't you educate yourself, or since you think you know something tell me what have I posted on this thread that is not true? Are you able barney?  lol

since my posts are factual, what is your response? Got anything at all barney? get a job and stop spending your wife's money .......... lol gfy

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