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Yobbo
  • From:New_zealand

Date Posted:27-09-2018 06:32:45Copy HTML

For instance my post on contradictions in the bible.  Some of the contradictions were laid out, admittedly not by me but all it needs is checking the original source.  Yet any debate was soon abandoned by the god squad and recently Wale has come on to the scene and resorted to insults.

Go to that thread and tell us why the accounts differed.  And since they do differ only one could be right.  Or none.  So which one to believe?  Why believe any of them?


"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:Let's have a real debate without diversions.

Date Posted:27-09-2018 06:55:14Copy HTML

For instance my post on contradictions in the bible.  Some of the contradictions were laid out, admittedly not by me but all it needs is checking the original source.  Yet any debate was soon abandoned by the god squad and recently Wale has come on to the scene and resorted to insults.

Go to that thread and tell us why the accounts differed.  And since they do differ only one could be right.  Or none.  So which one to believe?  Why believe any of them?



ASK original and limited questions and not a swath of someone else's thoughts. YOU were told this and then spernt the REST of the time diverting with the same tactics you complain about.

have you any thoughts OR any questions of your own?

Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #2
  • From:New_zealand

Re:Let's have a real debate without diversions.

Date Posted:27-09-2018 08:12:23Copy HTML

They were verbatim quotes from the various gospels, in many cases contradicting each other. That these examples of contradiction are second hand is irrelevant. 

Just tell us how you reconcile them.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #3
  • From:USA

Re:Let's have a real debate without diversions.

Date Posted:28-09-2018 12:54:54Copy HTML

They were verbatim quotes from the various gospels, in many cases contradicting each other. That these examples of contradiction are second hand is irrelevant. 

Just tell us how you reconcile them.


Now you are dodging. My point is very simple and specific, ASK original and limited questions and not a swath of someone else's thoughts. YOU were told this and then spernt the REST of the time diverting with the same tactics you complain about.

have you any thoughts OR any questions of your own?

wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #4
  • From:USA

Re:Let's have a real debate without diversions.

Date Posted:28-09-2018 12:55:09Copy HTML

They were verbatim quotes from the various gospels, in many cases contradicting each other. That these examples of contradiction are second hand is irrelevant. 

Just tell us how you reconcile them.


Now you are dodging. My point is very simple and specific, ASK original and limited questions and not a swath of someone else's thoughts. YOU were told this and then spent the REST of the time diverting with the same tactics you complain about.

Have you any thoughts OR any questions of your own?



Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #5
  • From:New_zealand

Re:Let's have a real debate without diversions.

Date Posted:28-09-2018 03:36:24Copy HTML

Let's start near the beginning of the OT.


Genesis 6:19,20 god tells Noah to collect two animals of every species on his ark while in Genesis 7:1 he is told to collect 7 of each "clean" species.


Tell me how to reconcile these two accounts.


"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #6
  • From:USA

Re:Let's have a real debate without diversions.

Date Posted:28-09-2018 04:08:02Copy HTML

I would argue those quotes may not be inconsistent and it could be both 7 of every “clean” species (whatever the hell that is) and 2 of all other species. Either way it is not evolutionarily feasible that most or even many of those would survive being down to a breeding population of two. Not feasible. Likewise, if they did survive from a breeding population of 2, and given genetic variability today, evolution operates a lot faster in the Bible than in any science text. Not to change the subject. What is the next contradictory quote to reconcile?
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #7
  • From:USA

Re:Let's have a real debate without diversions.

Date Posted:28-09-2018 02:45:14Copy HTML

Let's start near the beginning of the OT.


Genesis 6:19,20 god tells Noah to collect two animals of every species on his ark while in Genesis 7:1 he is told to collect 7 of each "clean" species.


Tell me how to reconcile these two accounts.



Genesis 6:19-22 (RSV)

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. 

 20 Of the birds according to their kinds, and of the animals according to their kinds, of every creeping thing of the ground according to its kind, two of every sort shall come in to you, to keep them alive.


Genesis 7:1-3  (RSV)

The Great Flood

Then the Lord said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and all your household, for I have seen that you are righteous before me in this generation. Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male and his mate; and a pair of the animals that are not clean, the male and his mate; and seven pairs of the birds of the air also, male and female, to keep their kind alive upon the face of all the earth.


There is no problem here BUT if you read the prior verses ( Gen 6:1-18, you'll see that Noah was being told what would happen/occur and hwhat his preparations were to be. The second verse you cited ( Gen 7:1) is a writing which complements the previous, no problem here, UNLESS one is just citing what ANOTHER'S words are from ANOTHER site and not reading on their own. You should actually OPEN the book and read through it a bit.


Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #8
  • From:USA

Re:Let's have a real debate without diversions.

Date Posted:10-10-2018 02:47:22Copy HTML

Well, this ended quickly.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #9
  • From:USA

Re:Let's have a real debate without diversions.

Date Posted:10-10-2018 06:44:07Copy HTML

There is no problem here BUT if you read the prior verses ( Gen 6:1-18, you'll see that Noah was being told what would happen/occur and hwhat his preparations were to be. The second verse you cited ( Gen 7:1) is a writing which complements the previous, no problem here, UNLESS one is just citing what ANOTHER'S words are from ANOTHER site and not reading on their own. You should actually OPEN the book and read through it a bit. ____ Lol. God says take 7 pairs with you, but only 2 will come to you. Noah and his boys had to go out and collect the other 5 pairs of every animal. Easy task. They needed Ark I and Ark II to bring animals from S and N America. Ark III from Australia and Ark IV from Asia. Ark V was bigger than them all because it needed 7 pairs of every animal and not two. That is over 3 times the amount of food required for at least a 6 month period until some food starts growing again. The Ark V must have been as big as China. Several of the "pairs" that couldn't swim or fly were actually smart enough to get to ARK V on their own because they jumped on Ark II and Ark III.
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #10
  • From:USA

Re:Let's have a real debate without diversions.

Date Posted:10-10-2018 07:06:30Copy HTML

There is no problem here BUT if you read the prior verses ( Gen 6:1-18, you'll see that Noah was being told what would happen/occur and hwhat his preparations were to be. The second verse you cited ( Gen 7:1) is a writing which complements the previous, no problem here, UNLESS one is just citing what ANOTHER'S words are from ANOTHER site and not reading on their own. You should actually OPEN the book and read through it a bit.

Lol.  God says take 7 pairs with you, but only 2 will come to you.   Noah and his boys had to go out and collect the other 5 pairs of every animal.  Easy task.   They needed Ark I and Ark II to bring animals from S and N America.  Ark III from Australia and Ark IV from Asia.  Ark V was bigger than them all because it needed 7 pairs of every animal and not two.  That is over 3 times the amount of food required for at least a 6 month period until some food starts growing again.  The Ark V must have been as big as China. Several of the "pairs" that couldn't swim or fly were actually smart enough to get to ARK V on their own because they jumped on Ark II and Ark III.


Some assumptionso n your part!

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