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Doe_Eyes
  • From:USA

Date Posted:08-11-2018 03:51:28Copy HTML

Live updates: Shooting at Thousand Oaks, California, bar leaves 12 dead including officer, suspect identified

At least 12 people were killed when a gunman burst into a packed Southern California bar overnight and opened fire, authorities said.

The lone suspect, 28-year-old Ian David Long, was found dead inside the Borderline Bar and Grill in Thousand Oaks, Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean said. Authorities believe he shot himself.

Long was a U.S. Marine Corps veteran, Dean said.

His only weapon was a legally purchased .45-caliber handgun, Dean said. Long added an extended magazine to the Glock gun, he said.

Sgt. Ron Helus, a 29-year veteran, was among the dead, Dean said.

Helus, 54, was one of the first on the scene and was struck multiple times when he entered the building, the sheriff's office said.

The bar was packed when police responded to the scene in Thousand Oaks, about 40 miles west of Los Angeles, just before midnight local time.

Teylor Whittler was celebrating a friend's birthday at the bar's college night when she heard gunshots.

"A bunch of people dog-piled on top of each other," she told "Good Morning America." "Everyone just yelled, 'Run, he's coming!'"

"There were at least 50 people that all tried getting up at once and running out the back door. I ended up getting caught in the ground and stumbled over by multiple people," Whittler said. "I got hit in the head by a stool that was being picked up to throw through a window, until some guy came up behind me and grabbed me and said, 'Get up, we have to go!'"

She said multiple men around her blocked the group with their bodies "ready to take a bullet for every single one of us."

Whittler's friend, Sarah Rose DeSon, told "GMA" she was hiding behind a table when she saw a spark and smoke.

Witnesses said they saw what appeared to be smoke grenades.

"As soon as we all saw that, we jumped up," she said. "I ran out the front door, down some stairs, face-planted in the parking lot, but I was lucky enough to get out alive."

"I'm terrified," she told "GMA." "We're just praying for our friends that we haven't heard from. ... You never think it's going to be you until it happens. This is a problem. This is real and it's awful."

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Thousand Oaks ranked third in America’s safest cities this year, according to Niche, a Pittsburgh-based company that researches neighborhoods and schools across the country based on public data as well as resident reviews.


https://abcnews.go.com/US/multiple-people-injured-reported-mass-shooting-california-bar/story?id=59050130



While silly old men here threaten to take to the streets and meet violence with violence, actual violence is happening once again, in places where people are just living their lives.  They say there were about 4 to 6 off duty police officers in the nightclub (unarmed) who stood between the shooter and some of the customers, risking their own lives to protect and serve.  WHEN IS THIS VIOLENCE going to end?   

The time is always right to do what is right.
skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #1
  • From:Argentina

Re:No....we still have blood in the places where people gather to have fun or enjoy life.

Date Posted:08-11-2018 06:19:19Copy HTML

There will always be people, and where there are people, there will always be violence.

Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #2
  • From:New_zealand

Re:No....we still have blood in the places where people gather to have fun or enjoy life.

Date Posted:08-11-2018 06:51:40Copy HTML

The case for gun ownership regulations is extremely powerful and every case like this adds to it.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
easyrider123 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #3
  • From:Norway

Re:No....we still have blood in the places where people gather to have fun or enjoy life.

Date Posted:08-11-2018 06:58:16Copy HTML

There are more and more Americans who are unfit to handle life, period.............so let's make it even easier for these mental defectives to arm themselves right? 


Maybe if one of these unstable wack jobs shoots a dozen congressmean in D.C. we might get some action? Ya think?



THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE Honesty and frankness make you vulnerable. Be honest and frank anyway.
skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #4
  • From:Argentina

Re:No....we still have blood in the places where people gather to have fun or enjoy life.

Date Posted:08-11-2018 08:23:43Copy HTML

There are more and more Americans who are unfit to handle life, period.............so let's make it even easier for these mental defectives to arm themselves right? 


Maybe if one of these unstable wack jobs shoots a dozen congressmean in D.C. we might get some action? Ya think?




Where have you been?  That's already happened, and the leftist media barely covered it.

wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #5
  • From:USA

Re:No....we still have blood in the places where people gather to have fun or enjoy life.

Date Posted:08-11-2018 10:37:57Copy HTML

The case for gun ownership regulations is extremely powerful and every case like this adds to it.


2nd AMENDMENT guarantees the right to bear arms for Americans Dobbo.

dunjuz_not Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #6
  • From:USA

Re:No....we still have blood in the places where people gather to have fun or enjoy life.

Date Posted:08-11-2018 11:58:41Copy HTML

Bummer. Sounds like some of the cops inside should have been armed.

We're all prisoners of conscious.~
_QZ_ Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #7
  • From:USA

Re:No....we still have blood in the places where people gather to have fun or enjoy life.

Date Posted:09-11-2018 03:06:03Copy HTML

I REALLY try hard not engage in conspiracy theories, but this bar was a hang out for survivors of the Las Vegas shooting. At least one of the dead was, and many who didn't die present for the SECOND horrific experience. We still don't have full answers about Vegas, and now this? It is a really bizarre and tragic coincidence, at the very least. And for the pro gun control crowd, for one hot minute will you PLEASE focus on the fact California has every law you claim you want in place to "save lives" and then some. It does NOT add to your case for gun control when things like this happen where it already exists.
Doe_Eyes Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #8
  • From:USA

Re:No....we still have blood in the places where people gather to have fun or enjoy life.

Date Posted:09-11-2018 03:34:47Copy HTML

I REALLY try hard not engage in conspiracy theories, but this bar was a hang out for survivors of the Las Vegas shooting.  At least one of the dead was, and many who didn't die present for the SECOND horrific experience.  We still don't have full answers about Vegas, and now this?   It is a really bizarre and tragic coincidence, at the very least.   And for the pro gun control crowd, for one hot minute will you PLEASE focus on the fact California has every law you claim you want in place to "save lives" and then some.  It does NOT add to your case for gun control when things like this happen where it already exists.


Court blocked law that would have made possession of magazine in Thousand Oaks illegal

The sale of the high-capacity magazine used by a gunman who killed at least 12 people at a bar in Thousand Oaks, California, late Wednesday is prohibited under California law and possessing it would have been illegal, too, by a state law currently blocked by a federal court.

Sheriff Geoff Dean said the gunman, who was also killed, was armed with a Glock 21 – a .45-caliber, semi-automatic handgun. 

"The weapon was designed in California to hold a magazine of 10 rounds and one in the chamber, but he had an extended magazine on it," Dean said.

Dean did not specify the size of the extended magazine, but most high-capacity magazines for the gun that are for sale online hold 26 rounds. "Drum" magazines that are compatible with the handgun can hold as many as 40 rounds

California has outlawed the sale of magazines larger than 10 rounds since 2000 but owners who owned larger ones before the law took effect were permitted to keep them.

In 2016, California voters approved a proposition in the wake of the San Bernardino shooting, which made it illegal to possess magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds.

Gun control advocates argued the previous law was not effective because there was no way to determine when or where a high-capacity magazine was purchased. Those whose magazines previously had been "grandfathered" were required to alter them or get rid of them. 

Before the new law could take effect, it was blocked by a federal judge after a lawsuit by the California Rifle & Pistol Association, the state National Rifle Association affiliate, argued the law was unconstitutional. The U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the injunction pending the resolution of the lawsuit.

Adam Skaggs, chief counsel for the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said the magazine used in Thousand Oaks was probably obtained illegally because it's unlikely the 28-year-old gunman purchased before the 2000 law was passed. 

"It just confirms the serious safety risks that these magazines entail," Skaggs said. 
"When someone is forced to stop and reload it creates an opportunity to escape. It creates an opportunity to try and disable the shooter. That's why restricting access to these is so important in terms of making mass shootings less deadly." 

Skaggs said it is no single gun law can prevent every mass shooting and that it is impossible to know if the shooter would have obtained a high-capacity magazine with or without the "unfortunate" court injunction. 

But he said that if the law prohibiting high-capacity magazines is "enforced and put into effect, it's going to reduce the number of potentially dangerous shooters who have access to these types of devices, and in the long run will save lives." 

Gun rights activists argue that the government cannot prevent all acts of violence and that people are safer when they exercise, rather than restrict, the Second Amendment. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/08/thousand-oaks-shooting-court-blocked-law-barring-gunmans-magazine/1928201002/


skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #9
  • From:Argentina

Re:No....we still have blood in the places where people gather to have fun or enjoy life.

Date Posted:09-11-2018 03:48:08Copy HTML

And had possession been blocked, Bees, the guy would have gotten it elsewhere......

Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
Doe_Eyes Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #10
  • From:USA

Re:No....we still have blood in the places where people gather to have fun or enjoy life.

Date Posted:09-11-2018 03:52:42Copy HTML

The time is always right to do what is right.
_QZ_ Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #11
  • From:USA

Re:No....we still have blood in the places where people gather to have fun or enjoy life.

Date Posted:09-11-2018 03:53:08Copy HTML

Did you even read your own article, Doe?  Purchasing that magazine is ALREADY illegal here, and it speculates he probably obtained it ILLEGALLY based on his age.  If you want to propose passing laws confiscating guns which will be rendered unconstitutional until you get the amendment nullified which isn't going to happen, then give it a go.  But please don't conflate doing the impossible with California not already having passed strict gun control measures.


Edited to add, my husband is never going to give up his guns and there are millions of people in California like him despite it being a deep blue state.  You will never, and I mean never, be able to get rid of all guns here let alone in the entire country.  At best you may be able confiscate them from all law abiding citizens such that they are obtained illegally much the same as drugs, and they will still be misused by criminals and the mental ill.  It is just foolishness to continue to beat this drum when it is clear that there are OTHER issues at play which are not being addressed, related to either mental illness or other societal factors. 

Doe_Eyes Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #12
  • From:USA

Re:No....we still have blood in the places where people gather to have fun or enjoy life.

Date Posted:09-11-2018 04:04:22Copy HTML

I did read it........ "Before the new law could take effect, it was blocked by a federal judge after a lawsuit by the California Rifle & Pistol Association, the state National Rifle Association affiliate, argued the law was unconstitutional. The U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the injunction pending the resolution of the lawsuit."
_QZ_ Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #13
  • From:USA

Re:No....we still have blood in the places where people gather to have fun or enjoy life.

Date Posted:09-11-2018 05:35:31Copy HTML

Doe, I would appreciate if you explain how you think that quote changes the fact he [likely] acquired his magazine illegally? You seem to be suggesting that making it extra extra illegal for these magazines to exist here is going to change that some number of folks will obtain or keep or make or sell these magazines no matter how illegal you make them. In California, this is ALREADY the case for millions of folks both blue and red in terms of ignoring our guns laws, not because they are mass shooters, but because they are going to protect themselves or their families with guns if necessary, legal or not.
PavlovsDog Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #14
  • From:USA

Re:No....we still have blood in the places where people gather to have fun or enjoy life.

Date Posted:09-11-2018 07:20:10Copy HTML

I'm still more afraid of the medical community than I am of the gun owner.

Unlike a Lie, the Truth requires no eloquence.
Doe_Eyes Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #15
  • From:USA

Re:No....we still have blood in the places where people gather to have fun or enjoy life.

Date Posted:10-11-2018 01:23:46Copy HTML

Doe, I would appreciate if you explain how you think that quote changes the fact he [likely] acquired his magazine illegally?  You seem to be suggesting that making it extra extra illegal for these magazines to exist here is going to change that some number of folks will obtain or keep or make or sell these magazines no matter how illegal you make them.  In California, this is ALREADY the case for millions of folks both blue and red in terms of ignoring our guns laws, not because they are mass shooters, but because they are going to protect themselves or their families with guns if necessary, legal or not.



It doesn't and I don't believe he obtained it legally, if the law took effect, which it hasn't yet.  I wonder if it was in his possession when the police were called to his residence.  I wonder if they knew of it.  I wonder, if they had known of it, could they have confiscated it IF the law had not been held up with a suit.  


And if your assertion is that people will break the law, no matter, then they are criminals and should be punished accordingly.  No one needs a large capacity magazine to protect themselves from a home intruder.....NO ONE.....unless they live in a war zone and a whole hoard of enemy come calling.  Do you anticipate a war zone anytime soon, Qz?  

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  • From:USA

Re:No....we still have blood in the places where people gather to have fun or enjoy life.

Date Posted:10-11-2018 06:09:49Copy HTML

Doe, if your argument comes down to wondering about the improbable, I think that speaks for itself.  I would say a more rational thing to wonder is whether a VA hospital was nearby, and whether it had adequate staff to treat the mental health of combat vets.  And if so, why didn't he connect...as in, what can we do so that more vets do so.


 No, I don't anticipate a war zone anytime soon, which is a specious question given I'm not addressing whether or not large magazines should be legal. I'm stating they are banned already, and OBVIOUSLY that doesn't prevent someone from obtaining or using one.  And neither will the confiscation law, should it be found legal.  


What law will you want next to  stop a disturbed combat vet from using two  legal smaller magazines to kill a dozen people? Or what do you think would prevent him from running over a dozen people with his car if you get those banned too?  I think overinflating the impact of opportunity loss from gun control laws minimizes WHY someone would do this in the first place.  

PavlovsDog Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #17
  • From:USA

Re:No....we still have blood in the places where people gather to have fun or enjoy life.

Date Posted:10-11-2018 11:35:12Copy HTML

Doe, I would appreciate if you explain how you think that quote changes the fact he [likely] acquired his magazine illegally?  You seem to be suggesting that making it extra extra illegal for these magazines to exist here is going to change that some number of folks will obtain or keep or make or sell these magazines no matter how illegal you make them.  In California, this is ALREADY the case for millions of folks both blue and red in terms of ignoring our guns laws, not because they are mass shooters, but because they are going to protect themselves or their families with guns if necessary, legal or not.



It doesn't and I don't believe he obtained it legally, if the law took effect, which it hasn't yet.  I wonder if it was in his possession when the police were called to his residence.  I wonder if they knew of it.  I wonder, if they had known of it, could they have confiscated it IF the law had not been held up with a suit.  


And if your assertion is that people will break the law, no matter, then they are criminals and should be punished accordingly.  No one needs a large capacity magazine to protect themselves from a home intruder.....NO ONE.....unless they live in a war zone and a whole hoard of enemy come calling.  Do you anticipate a war zone anytime soon, Qz?  


We do live in a potential war zone. And we do need high capacity magazines to protect our liberty from its enemies. And those magazines are protected by the 2nd amendment, because it is surely true that a high capacity magazine has a reasonable relationship to the preservation and efficiency of a well regulated militia. 

skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #18
  • From:Argentina

Re:No....we still have blood in the places where people gather to have fun or enjoy life.

Date Posted:10-11-2018 01:11:06Copy HTML

Why is it always up to socialists to decide what everyone else needs.  They always use words like 'war zone'.


So let me ask, were the Clutters living in a war zone when their home was invaded?  See In Cold Blood.


Were the people killed at the Georgia Farmhouse in 2006 living in a war zone?


Remember the Alday murders?  Were those people living in a war zone?


Think the Lillielid family in Tennesee could have used some gun power?


Stop trying to control everyone else and watch out for your own affairs. 

Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
Doe_Eyes Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #19
  • From:USA

Re:No....we still have blood in the places where people gather to have fun or enjoy life.

Date Posted:10-11-2018 04:58:55Copy HTML

California gunman posted to social media, mocked "hopes and prayers" response to attacks

Gunman Ian David Long who killed 12 people at a bar in Thousand Oaks, California, this week posted on social media "before and during the massacre," the Wall Street Journal reports.

The details: Per the Journal, Long posted on Facebook and Instagram immediately before the shooting and wrote around the time of the attack, "I hope people call me insane...wouldn't that just be a big ball of irony? Yeah...I'm insane, but the only thing you people do after these shootings is 'hopes and prayers'...or 'keep you in my thoughts'...every time...and wonder why these things keep happening."

https://www.axios.com/california-shooter-mocked-hopes-and-prayers-response-to-shootings-c338fbc9-3ecd-4b40-a830-5ee48f5aaa86.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&fbclid=IwAR1dsysFWArjiP5QEbCQj4fslSdmd-3ehdIUfBwf9xBLDSfvuxWl6Ty660I


Meanwhile, the Associated Press, citing a law enforcement official who was briefed on the investigation, reported that Long went on social media during the attack and posted about his mental state and whether people would believe he was sane.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/11/09/ian-david-long-social-media-thousand-oaks-shooting/1948449002/?utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_source=feedblitz





The time is always right to do what is right.
skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #20
  • From:Argentina

Re:No....we still have blood in the places where people gather to have fun or enjoy life.

Date Posted:10-11-2018 05:04:11Copy HTML

"You people" aren't supposed to control anything or anyone but yourselves.


The only person responsible for this tragedy is the shooter, and he's taking a dirt nap.

Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
PavlovsDog Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #21
  • From:USA

Re:No....we still have blood in the places where people gather to have fun or enjoy life.

Date Posted:11-11-2018 12:16:25Copy HTML

California gunman posted to social media, mocked "hopes and prayers" response to attacks

Gunman Ian David Long who killed 12 people at a bar in Thousand Oaks, California, this week posted on social media "before and during the massacre," the Wall Street Journal reports.

The details: Per the Journal, Long posted on Facebook and Instagram immediately before the shooting and wrote around the time of the attack, "I hope people call me insane...wouldn't that just be a big ball of irony? Yeah...I'm insane, but the only thing you people do after these shootings is 'hopes and prayers'...or 'keep you in my thoughts'...every time...and wonder why these things keep happening."

https://www.axios.com/california-shooter-mocked-hopes-and-prayers-response-to-shootings-c338fbc9-3ecd-4b40-a830-5ee48f5aaa86.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&fbclid=IwAR1dsysFWArjiP5QEbCQj4fslSdmd-3ehdIUfBwf9xBLDSfvuxWl6Ty660I


Meanwhile, the Associated Press, citing a law enforcement official who was briefed on the investigation, reported that Long went on social media during the attack and posted about his mental state and whether people would believe he was sane.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/11/09/ian-david-long-social-media-thousand-oaks-shooting/1948449002/?utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_source=feedblitz






If he wanted to know why these things keep happening, he just needed to look in a mirror. It's always because some self centered tw@t thinks everyone else owes them something. 

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