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nateonthenet
  • From:USA

Date Posted:18-11-2018 07:38:44Copy HTML

 I am gonna make thi short.  Schumer is a very bright and very worthless leader.  Pelosi is a very bright and very needed Speaker.  Frankly, while I have great respect for Pelosi who was the key person to pass ACA, I wish there were someone ready to replace her.  There isn't.  Progressives won the election for Dems; well women didin all stripes.  Pelosi needs to find leaderhip poitions for progressives.  She needs to make sure progressives receive key appointments to comittiees.  The transformatkion of the democratic party is taking place just like I and others have been saying.  Pelosi can facilitate this transformation.  The new Congrssional members can work with existing progressives and make this happen.


I don't know what to do in the Senate

In endlessly dragging debates over the nedia, the stupid opinion is treated with the same respect as the intelligent one, the misinformed may talk as long as the informed, and propaganda rides along with education, truth with falsehood. Herbert Marcuse
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Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:18-11-2018 12:37:00Copy HTML

Oh, the schadenfreude when Trump tweeted this yesterday:


I can get Nancy Pelosi as many votes as she wants in order for her to be Speaker of the House. She deserves this victory, she has earned it - but there are those in her party who are trying to take it away. She will win! @TomReedCongress

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Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:18-11-2018 03:11:06Copy HTML

He is spouting gibberish. It ws a stupid remark with childish humor.  Sort of like the little kid who says, 'I didn't fart.'  He could not help any democrat and we all know that.  What other things do we know?  Well. as I aid Pelosi will become speaker since there is no organized opposition.  And, most of us wish this were not true.

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Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:18-11-2018 03:26:40Copy HTML

It would be nice to see ALL the pushers, pimps and extortionists removed permanently from our political arena, but I know thats wishful thinking.

We're all prisoners of conscious.~
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Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:18-11-2018 03:29:00Copy HTML

It would be nice to see ALL the pushers, pimps and extortionists removed permanently from our political arena, but I know thats wishful thinking.


Then you would have no democratic party.

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Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:18-11-2018 03:43:35Copy HTML

It would be nice to see ALL the pushers, pimps and extortionists removed permanently from our political arena, but I know thats wishful thinking.


I agree.  The problem is always the same.  We have different beliefs as to who thoise people are.  So, lacking a mood to engage in fighting, I will just quote a fellow Minnesotan. 


The Times they are a changin'


Come gather 'round people wherever you roam,
And admit that the waters around you have grown,
And accept it that soon you'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'

Come writers and critics who prophecize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide,
The chance won't come again,
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'

Come senators, congressmen,
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway,
Don't block the hall,
For he that' gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled,
There's a battle
Outside and it's ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land,
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command,
Your old road is rapidly agin',
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'

The line it is drawn,
The curse it is cast,
The slow one now will
Later be fast,
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is rapidly fadin'
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'

Songwriters: Bob Dylan
© AUDIAM, INC

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  • From:USA

Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:18-11-2018 03:50:48Copy HTML

Hibbing, then. I knew a guy in the service from there. ;)

We're all prisoners of conscious.~
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  • From:USA

Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:18-11-2018 05:54:36Copy HTML

 I am gonna make thi short.  Schumer is a very bright and very worthless leader.  Pelosi is a very bright and very needed Speaker. 


lol. Even in the process of even opening this thread, I formulated the exact same thought before I read the first line.


Great minds continue to think alike. 

~Oh, I wish it would rain.~ --The Temptations
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Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:20-11-2018 01:13:33Copy HTML

He is spouting gibberish. It ws a stupid remark with childish humor.  Sort of like the little kid who says, 'I didn't fart.'  He could not help any democrat and we all know that. 


He always spouts gibberish based on whatever impulse strikes him.  It's his political super power to spout it and be able to draw unmerited attention.   I actually saw Pelosi say something astute in regard to how the media loves to be used by him...they fall all over themselves to give him an englarged platform.  They always have, first as a business tycoon...then a TV celeb...then political candidate...and of course now.   But having said that, the Dems have far more interest in opposing Trump than they do working with him which he would be more than willing to do.  Trump is not conservative...he is big government statist, just not anti capitalist.  


What other things do we know?  Well. as I aid Pelosi will become speaker since there is no organized opposition.  And, most of us wish this were not true.


Pelosi is a unscrupulous shark, even in her antiquity displaying signs of mental decline.  If anyone can rope together a pretense of unity between the blue cats and make them appear less crazy than Trump, it'd be her.   It's a shame for the country that she is so corrupt and a practice liar, not to mention willing to abuse power as often as the sun rises.   She and Hillary are cut from the same cloth...they will say anything or support anything and then do the opposite the next day so long as it advantages their power until they die in office at 125 years old.   They have both said contradictory crazy crap with a straight face a zillion times....but they are Dem women so the MSM/base doesn't care. 


McConnell is her counterpart in the Senate, but he is usually less obvious and vocal.   When he speaks, you sneeze from the dust of his grandpa-like bloviating but nothing gets through the Senate if he doesn't want it to happen.  The problem you Progs have with Schumer, aside from McConnell, is that he isn't actually a leftist.  An narcissistic corrupt lying opportunist, yes.  But he isn't actually on board with the extremism.  You can tell because he will, on occasion, make statements that are rational to average Americans.  


I've NO doubt the next two years will be a real shit show, at this point I'd bet it will end with a further left swing, but you never know what unpredictable factors can change the landscape.   I see both Obama and Trump as circumstantial anonomies, but then only time will tell if the damage from both is repairable in terms of returning to a more normal...and certainly more boring...sensibility.  

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  • From:Norway

Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:20-11-2018 03:16:46Copy HTML

 I am gonna make thi short.  Schumer is a very bright and very worthless leader.  Pelosi is a very bright and very needed Speaker.  Frankly, while I have great respect for Pelosi who was the key person to pass ACA, I wish there were someone ready to replace her.  There isn't.  Progressives won the election for Dems; well women didin all stripes.  Pelosi needs to find leaderhip poitions for progressives.  She needs to make sure progressives receive key appointments to comittiees.  The transformatkion of the democratic party is taking place just like I and others have been saying.  Pelosi can facilitate this transformation.  The new Congrssional members can work with existing progressives and make this happen.


I don't know what to do in the Senate


Chump!

Pelosi and Dems played voters for chumps — again

 

When I was in grade school in Chicago, I ran home excitedly one day after making the deal of my life.

It was 1969, the Cubs were still in first place in the division, and I snared a seat behind the Cubs dugout for Sunday’s game against the Mets for just $1 from a fellow student. My father looked at the ticket, which clearly was handmade, and explained delicately that I had been taken. There was not even a game to be played that Sunday at Wrigley. 

He suggested, however, that I keep the ticket as a reminder of one of life’s greatest lessons: Don’t be a chump.   

In the aftermath of the midterm elections, millions of voters are about to discover the same thing: We’ve become a nation of chumps, and both parties just sold us $1 premium seats to a game that will not be held.

What is fascinating — even inspiring — about American elections is that the two parties that make up our duopoly of power score every two years on the same scam, with the same chumps. Politicians constantly convince citizens to vote against the other party, as opposed to making a positive case for their own reelections; polls show citizens despise both parties’ establishments and hate our rigged political system. 

Both parties again ran the blue state/red state scam in which voters are convinced to choose the lesser of two unchanging evils. It is designed to prevent the rise of a credible third party, allowing the two parties to regularly trade off control between their respective leaderships.

The election is over, and Washington is about to return to the status quo. The Senate has re-elected the same leaders. Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)  — who many members kept at arm’s length during the campaign — walked into a closed-door caucus and reportedly received a standing ovation.  

Right on cue, reports indicate that even new members who campaigned against Pelosi are joining the rest of the Democratic members in assuring their support on the floor, as opposed to a symbolic caucus vote. Even Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who called for a “generation of new people” in Congress, now appears to support her.

The key to running a scam is to use a mark’s greed, weakness or anger to blind him to an obvious swindle. In our age of rage, we were all marks in this election and got played beautifully.

Pelosi has long been one of the most unpopular U.S. politicians. Before the election — with many races viewed as being within 1 or 2 percentage points — voters listed Pelosi as one of their reasons for voting against Democrats. Polls indicate that roughly 7 percent of voters said Pelosi was one of the two top reasons for their voting — almost exclusively against the Democrats.  

It is not clear how many seats might have flipped if Pelosi had pledged that new leadership would take over the party if Democrats prevailed in the House. Even if only 2 percent of voters had been impacted, it could have been enough to change the outcomes of a number of key races. Yet, Pelosi put herself before her party’s interests.

Of course, the first step in a confidence game is the “convincer” promising a big pay-off. In this case, it was the impeachment of Donald Trump, a pledge now being brushed to the side by Democrats as (to quote Democratic District of Columbia Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton) “a thankless, useless waste of energy” amid assurances that this would be a new Democratic Party, including opposition to Pelosi.

Voters were fed assurances that the many new members would insist on new leadership. Those pledges would seem easy to fulfill, with post-election polls showing that 56 percent of Democrats oppose Pelosi as Speaker. When Republican and independent voters are factored in, Pelosi may be the least popular candidate for Speaker in history.

So why are Democrats again pushing her to be the face of their party leading to the 2020 election? Because these elections are about them — certainly not about the marks who vote. Pelosi will deliver committee positions, campaign money and other benefits that some new leadership is unlikely to guarantee. She has spent months directing millions toward these members. Voters simply give them votes; Pelosi gives them cold-hard cash and other perks.

Given polls showing Pelosi at less than 40 percent popularity, she and the Democratic establishment are redefining the election, and not for the first time. Leading up to the 2016 election, every poll showed that voters were looking for non-establishment candidates and that Hillary Clintonremained one of the least popular establishment candidates ever to run for the presidency. Yet, Democratic leaders rigged the primaries for Clinton — and lost to the most unpopular Republican presidential candidate ever.  

Given Pelosi’s support for Clinton and the huge losses in the prior election when Pelosi was Speaker, many again called for her to step aside. However, Pelosi declared that voters really did not want change and that she would remain as the party’s face. It was that easy. After the most anti-establishment election in U.S. history, Pelosi declared that voters wanted her and the establishment to stay in power.

Now, Pelosi and Democratic leaders are saying that polls showing overwhelming opposition to her are uniformly wrong. She told CNN that she has “a broad base of support in the country” and voters want her as Speaker because she’s a woman. She described her opposition as being sexist, a betrayal of voters who wanted a “pink wave.” When asked about a letter with 17 members pledging to oppose her, Pelosi told reporters that "You'd have to ask those people what their motivation is. I think of the 17, it's mostly, like, 14 men who are on that letter." She added that “any misogyny involved in it, it's their problem, not mine." That’s not Trump but fellow Democrats who Pelosi charges as being misogynistic. Identity politics, it seems, is like the god Saturn: It devours its young.

Even though recent polls show only 39 percent of Democratic voters support Pelosi’s return, she is likely to prevail in a vote later this month.

So the establishment will continue in both parties, despite overwhelming unpopularity. And, just like the Cubs ticket, there never was a game to be played.  

Usually it is tough to play a mark twice on the same scam; when a mark opens an envelope to find a wad of paper instead of cash, it leaves an indelible mark. American voters, however, fall for the same scam over and over. It is really not that the two parties are that good at it — it is us. 

That standing ovation for Pelosi was well earned. Any flimflam artist can take a mark, but it takes a real genius to fool the same chumps twice.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. You can follow him on Twitter @JonathanTurley.



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  • From:USA

Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:20-11-2018 03:38:02Copy HTML

Gotta wonder about them 'other perks'.

We're all prisoners of conscious.~
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  • From:Norway

Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:20-11-2018 03:40:18Copy HTML

Decrying “tribalism” is a favorite pastime of American elites, but the real problem is the unity among them.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/…/bipartisanship-tribalism-midte…

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Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:20-11-2018 10:22:34Copy HTML

Pelosi, as the face of the party, has been taking hits for over a decade. But, there has been no better master at passing legislation than her. SHE made ACA happen. She is a realist and will accept a good plan when the better plan cannot pass. That is just a fact. Now, the lady is 87 years old and there is simply no one today who is prepared for her job. If I were a progressive group I would tell her and and the rest of the old democratic leadership that they have the next two years to accomplish 2 things. Prevent trump from destroying banking regulations and ACA and train an entire new cadre of young progressive leaders to replace them. Nancy, Steny, and Jim Clyburn. I would say Joe Crowley too but he somehow already disappeared. So, I actually want the same things that EZ wants. Strong progressive experienced leadership. Today it does not exist. In 2 years it can. Oh, and Pelosi has to announce soon that she will not run for reelection to the house in 2020. The problem in training a new group is you likely have 50 people for the 4 positions. So, choice committee slot for the progressives right now.
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Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:21-11-2018 01:27:18Copy HTML

SHE made ACA happen.


Which also made a sea of red and Trump happen.  So there's that.  

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Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:21-11-2018 01:00:22Copy HTML

Mazine waters wants to be Speaker... and Fudge wants to be speaker - Nancy got the backing of Al Sharpton - who knows what she promised him - and in accordance with the leftist criteria - Nancy Pilosi has prevented 2 black women from becoming speaker... therefore, Nancy Pilosi is a RACIST!

Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment.....except for the election of Donald Trump.
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Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:21-11-2018 07:17:03Copy HTML

SHE made ACA happen.


Which also made a sea of red and Trump happen.  So there's that.  


Yes, like Johnson with the civil right legislation, Pelosi knew that doing the right thing was gonna cause a shift in Congress.  She made that point when Democrats were vacillating.  She asked thhe rhetorical question, 'which is more important healthcare or your seat?"  Democrats did the morally correct action. 


It made me proud of their actions

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Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:21-11-2018 07:59:04Copy HTML

SHE made ACA happen.


Which also made a sea of red and Trump happen.  So there's that.  


Yes, like Johnson with the civil right legislation, Pelosi knew that doing the right thing was gonna cause a shift in Congress.  She made that point when Democrats were vacillating.  She asked thhe rhetorical question, 'which is more important healthcare or your seat?"  Democrats did the morally correct action. 


It made me proud of their actions




Johnson is an apt comparison.  He was a racist who eventually signed a historic anti-racist bill as a political calculation which then opened the Great Society door to decades of systemic racism, albeit more subtle but devasting to stability factors, which is still ongoing.   


Pelosi is rich white corrupt elitist, who made a political calculation to shove through an unread, unpopular, and unworkable bill, the structure of which Obama & Co knew was shit which they peddled with horseshit, which opened the door for decades of negative consequences for far more millions than it helped.     In short, Dems "borrowed" the Swiss plan without the structural mechanism which make it work, which they knew was missing, and did not give two shits about the harm to MILLIONS as well as to our delivery system itself, which they knew would result.  That said, in terms of those taking part in the back room deals, and SOME previously uninsured, and SOME who didn't need help but still benefitted, it worked like a charm. 



Obviously I have a different view of what the word "moral" means. 

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Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:24-11-2018 12:40:20Copy HTML

Of course you do. You talk about the 'great society' rather than civil rights. Yep you can never engage in conversation where you fail to attempt to bastardize the subject. My post was on civil rights not the great society you deceitful slime. And, yes we all knew ACA was seriously flawed. Your answer as an inc=surance advocate was to do nothing. Republicans had done that for 20 years. Me? I said pass it and fix it as we see its flaws. Of course I am naïve. I thought Republican would assist. I was a moron. Instead McConnell and company emphatically said they would do nothing to help America and they honored their pledge. YES, we have a very different definition of morality
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Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:24-11-2018 01:29:34Copy HTML

Pelosi, as the face of the party, has been taking hits for over a decade.  But, there has been no better master at passing legislation than her.  SHE made ACA happen. She is a realist and will accept a good plan when the better plan cannot pass.  That is just a fact.   Now, the lady is 87 years old and there is simply no one today who is prepared for her job.  If I were a progressive group I would tell her and and the rest of the old democratic leadership that they have the next two years to accomplish 2 things.  Prevent trump from destroying banking regulations and ACA and train an entire new cadre of young progressive leaders to replace them.  Nancy, Steny, and Jim Clyburn.  I would say Joe Crowley too but he somehow already disappeared. So, I actually want the same things that EZ wants.  Strong progressive experienced leadership.  Today it does not exist.  In 2 years it can.   Oh, and Pelosi has to announce soon that she will not run for reelection to the house in 2020. The problem in training a new group is you likely have 50 people for the 4 positions.  So, choice committee slot for the progressives right now.




I agree with everything you said, my fellow brilliant Minnesotan.  This is an opportunity, taking over the House, that needs someone who can deliver votes.  Pelosi has demonstrated she can garner and count votes like crazy.  She's also an incredible fundraiser.  She also should not seek re-election again.  Time to retire, Nancy AFTER you teach the newbies how to garner and count votes, and raise money like crazy.

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Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:24-11-2018 01:36:42Copy HTML

Of course you do.  You talk about the 'great society' rather than civil rights.  Yep you can never engage in conversation where you fail to attempt to bastardize the subject.  My post was on civil rights not the great society you deceitful slime. And, yes we all knew ACA was seriously flawed.  Your answer as an inc=surance advocate was to do nothing.  Republicans had done that for 20 years.  Me?  I said pass it and fix it as we see its flaws.  Of course I am naïve.  I thought Republican would assist.  I was a moron.  Instead McConnell and company emphatically said they would do nothing to help America and they honored their pledge. YES, we have a very different definition of morality




It was a step, it was an historic step, in the right direction, with lots of stumbles along the way to passing it and most especially and after the fact, as we were afraid it would.  Not only were fixes not applied, it was continually losing key provisions that would have made it work better due to the Republican controlled House and Senate, who made it their mission to make it fail.  

Despite what QZ said, and despite my personal disappointment in how it is not working well for me today, I agree it was the right thing to do.  



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Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:24-11-2018 05:35:58Copy HTML

Of course you do.  You talk about the 'great society' rather than civil rights.  Yep you can never engage in conversation where you fail to attempt to bastardize the subject.  My post was on civil rights not the great society you deceitful slime. And, yes we all knew ACA was seriously flawed.  Your answer as an inc=surance advocate was to do nothing.  Republicans had done that for 20 years.  Me?  I said pass it and fix it as we see its flaws.  Of course I am naïve.  I thought Republican would assist.  I was a moron.  Instead McConnell and company emphatically said they would do nothing to help America and they honored their pledge. YES, we have a very different definition of morality




It was a step, it was an historic step, in the right direction, with lots of stumbles along the way to passing it and most especially and after the fact, as we were afraid it would.  Not only were fixes not applied, it was continually losing key provisions that would have made it work better due to the Republican controlled House and Senate, who made it their mission to make it fail.  

Despite what QZ said, and despite my personal disappointment in how it is not working well for me today, I agree it was the right thing to do.  




YOU must also think that sticking needles in your eyes is a good thing TOO!

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Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:24-11-2018 05:52:25Copy HTML

Wail has this tendency to make totally unconnected contextual relations which she erroniously thinks are relevant.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:24-11-2018 07:15:22Copy HTML

Wail has this tendency to make totally unconnected contextual relations which she erroniously thinks are relevant.


You, Dobbo, have shown yourself to be too stupid to connect thoughts!

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Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:24-11-2018 08:18:13Copy HTML

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Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:24-11-2018 09:49:01Copy HTML

Nate: Of course you do.  You talk about the 'great society' rather than civil rights.  Yep you can never engage in conversation where you fail to attempt to bastardize the subject.  My post was on civil rights not the great society you deceitful slime. 



QZ: Your post was comparing Pelosi passing the ACA with Johnson passing the civil rights act.  I was articulating why it was apt.  Your “morality” equates to cherrypicked revisionism so of course you resent all the negatives in the larger context in BOTH cases.  Johnson voted against every civil rights bill put before him for 20 years and it wasn’t your party of “morality” putting them there.  



 Nate: And, yes we all knew ACA was seriously flawed.  Your answer as an inc=surance advocate was to do nothing.  Republicans had done that for 20 years.  Me?  I said pass it and fix it as we see its flaws.  Of course I am naïve.  I thought Republican would assist.  I was a moron.  Instead McConnell and company emphatically said they would do nothing to help America and they honored their pledge. YES, we have a very different definition of morality



QZ:  Oh please. The GOP postured and ran on repealing it until they won that sea of red, so NO ONE was naive enough to believe they were going to “assist” with the 100% Dem turd.   The only ones who were naive were those who believed they could...or would...repeal it. And speaking of bastardizing, my position was not “do nothing” but that has no bearing on what happened. The only relevance would be to the fact I was in the majority who opposed the turd which your party of “morality” foist upon the nation anyway. 


And FYI, the ACA is an INSURANCE mandate so thanks for the irony of your insurance advocacy so long as it is corporatism. Oh so moral were those backroom deals with Big Ins and Big Pharma.   There is nothing more consistent in Dem/Progs than their hypocrisy. 




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Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:24-11-2018 10:09:10Copy HTML



Despite what QZ said, and despite my personal disappointment in how it is not working well for me today, I agree it was the right thing to do.  





I will never agree “the right thing to do” is straight up lie to pass a 100% partisan bill which you already know will not work.   That lie ended up doing material harm to millions, and will continue to amass trillions in debt that will do another kind of material harm.  You can tinker with this turd til the end of time...it will never work as promised. Any “fix” will help some and hurt others....which the GOP tinkering is doing, as will the Dems do whenever they can again. 


You ALL heard the truth before...you are still in denial of it now. 


Politicians (and partisans) lie...numbers do not.  However, if you need a partisan politician to lie and pass unread crap no matter how many don’t want it passed, Pelosi is great at it. 

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Re:Pelosi & schumer

Date Posted:02-12-2018 10:43:21Copy HTML

   You can tinker with this turd til the end of time...it will never work as promised. Any “fix” will help some and hurt others....which the GOP tinkering is doing, as will the Dems do whenever they can again.

Of course it will.  There never was ANY perfect solution, QZ, and ANY bill is going to hurt some and help others. ANY bill will. Will Americans who could have afforded to pay far more than they were paying for insurance hurt by the passage of the ACA? Of course they were, to the extent that they were left with less disposable income. Does the fact that they were hurt by it, while many who had no insurance gained, mean that the bill was bad?


No. Of course not. All things in measure, m'dear. Life is not a zero-sum game. We look at the overall pie, not the individual cherries in the pie, and say the poor ones near the crust took much more of a beating in the baking process than those sitting comfy in the middle so that means the pie sucks. It doesn't. Cherry pie is very, very, yummy.


However, even if you could, (which you can't, but even if you could) make the case that it hurt far more than it helped, I would still shrug and say that given that it represents progress towards single payer, then, yes, it was still preferable to your choice: doing nothing so long as your class got to continue to monopolize the health care resources in this nation because that class could afford it.

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Re:Pelosi & schumer

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   You can tinker with this turd til the end of time...it will never work as promised. Any “fix” will help some and hurt others....which the GOP tinkering is doing, as will the Dems do whenever they can again.

Of course it will.  There never was ANY perfect solution, QZ, and ANY bill is going to hurt some and help others. ANY bill will. Will Americans who could have afforded to pay far more than they were paying for insurance hurt by the passage of the ACA? Of course they were, to the extent that they were left with less disposable income. Does the fact that they were hurt by it, while many who had no insurance gained, mean that the bill was bad?


No. Of course not. All things in measure, m'dear. Life is not a zero-sum game. We look at the overall pie, not the individual cherries in the pie, and say the poor ones near the crust took much more of a beating in the baking process than those sitting comfy in the middle so that means the pie sucks. It doesn't. Cherry pie is very, very, yummy.


However, even if you could, (which you can't, but even if you could) make the case that it hurt far more than it helped, I would still shrug and say that given that it represents progress towards single payer, then, yes, it was still preferable to your choice: doing nothing so long as your class got to continue to monopolize the health care resources in this nation because that class could afford it.



Well as much as I always appreciate condescending rhetorical fallacy, it still leaves me unpersuaded to prefer your broken moral compass.   That said, you surely cannot be unaware that here in Leftopia, Dems will always dish up "my class" health care resources generously....and not just those resources.   As I've argued here many times before, Dems are hell bent on making me richer than I should be, so by all means continue your progress for the poor.    Unfortunately they can't see the doctors I can because they don't take the crap assed exchange policies but hey, I'm sure they appreciate your delicious cherry pie.    No doubt they rave over it at the clinic and they wait to be seen with the self employed who lost the insurance they could afford. 


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Actually, the self-employed, I agree, is a HUGE problem. The trouble is that a lot of self-employed are no better off than many marginal employees--half of all businesses fail in the first couple of years--but because they are a business the assumption is automatically made that they have the resources to pay. I just don't see a way in which ALL segments of the populace can be equally happy with ANY sort of healthcare, so on this I am definitely utilitiarian: the greatest good for the greatest number. By that definition, in my book, any solution that starts with the assumption that it's okay for more than ten percent of the populace to be uninsured is simply a non-starter And I still think cherry pie is very very yummy. :-)
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Pelosi & Schumer---------------------- got their asses handed to them today!
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It looked like Sluggo almost came himself when Trump said he wouldn't hold him responsible.

We're all prisoners of conscious.~
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