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skrumpie
  • From:Argentina

Date Posted:30-11-2018 07:34:37Copy HTML

Which has been hit with a 7.0 earthquake.  Destruction is said to be massive.


Particularly pray for our good friend, AlaskaOne.

Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
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  • From:USA

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:30-11-2018 07:50:12Copy HTML

Tsunami warnings lifted. Over 9 aftershocks including a 5.7. I haven't heard about any loss of life but that could take some time in a place like Alaska. The ambulance chaser in me says a little oil spill from a shoreside tank wouldn't be the end of the world for us here in our office.
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  • From:USA

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:30-11-2018 09:28:44Copy HTML

Alaska's a pretty big place; does anyone know what area AK-1 live/works in?

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  • From:Argentina

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:30-11-2018 10:48:30Copy HTML

I believe he is in the Anchorage area, but I could be mistaken.

Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
Yekyua Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #4
  • From:USA

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:30-11-2018 10:48:54Copy HTML

I believe Alaska's mentioned he lives in or near Anchorage, and works in the town Segovia.  Knowing he has wife and two little girls, I immediately thought of him and his family (don't "know" anyone else in region) upon reading reports.  Speculate optimistically they're likely OK, but sure hope he checks in at some point.  Quakes are scary as hell at best - I've lived through several, experienced 1st at age six.  


That area and indeed all the NW has seismic potential for truly cataclysmic magnitude quakes (as with '64 mega quake and tsunami), it could have been worse.  


Following the '64 quake, much infrastructural and building upgrading for EQ safety has taken place.  


The 1964 Alaskan earthquake, also known as the Great Alaskan earthquake and Good Friday earthquake, occurred at 5:36 PM AKST on Good Friday, March 27.[2] Across south-central Alaska, ground fissures, collapsing structures, and tsunamis resulting from the earthquake caused about 139 deaths.[3]

Lasting four minutes and thirty-eight seconds, the magnitude 9.2 megathrust earthquake remains the most powerful earthquake recorded in North American history, and the second most powerful earthquake recorded in world history. 600 miles of fault ruptured at once and moved up to 60 feet (about 500 years of stress buildup). Soil liquefaction, fissures, landslides, and other ground failures caused major structural damage in several communities and much damage to property. Anchorage sustained great destruction or damage to many inadequately earthquake-engineered houses, buildings, and infrastructure (paved streets, sidewalks, water and sewer mains, electrical systems, and other man-made equipment), particularly in the several landslide zones along Knik Arm. Two hundred miles southwest, some areas near Kodiak were permanently raised by 30 feet (9.1 m). Southeast of Anchorage, areas around the head of Turnagain Arm near Girdwood and Portage dropped as much as 8 feet (2.4 m), requiring reconstruction and fill to raise the Seward Highway above the new high tide mark.


Just mind boggling. It's terrifying to consider something close to this hitting Seattle or other major population center.  Thoughts, Skwanderer?



O ye wha are sae guid yoursel', Sae pious and sae holy, Ye've nought to do but mark and tell Your neibours' fauts and folly! -- Robert Burns (Address to the Unco Guid)
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  • From:USA

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:30-11-2018 10:57:14Copy HTML

He and Mickeyrat once had a huge and protracted hoo-ha about how to characterize the geography of Anchorage, MRat insisting he was far better qualified, Alaska citing his long-term residency as deciding authoritative voice.  Can't recall the terms over which they quarreled.  

O ye wha are sae guid yoursel', Sae pious and sae holy, Ye've nought to do but mark and tell Your neibours' fauts and folly! -- Robert Burns (Address to the Unco Guid)
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  • From:USA

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:01-12-2018 12:16:24Copy HTML

I just saw Anchorage's mayor Burkowitz reporting no deaths thus far. I also contacted a friend of mine there who said it was quite a shake but everything was together. They had internet and electricity.
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  • From:USA

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:01-12-2018 12:30:16Copy HTML

Have been periodically checking, and saw the same Skwanderer.  It hit at sunrise, fortuitously (much like our pre-dawn Northridge and Sylmar Quakes in LA)  A tremendous lot of cleanup and repair though, other disruption since Anchorage is a distribution hub.  Could be some injuries and even fatalities may yet be discovered, but all in all it seems like for most event will remain a tale to tell in future.  


Wondering also if it had value seismically in that it relieved some pressure.  

O ye wha are sae guid yoursel', Sae pious and sae holy, Ye've nought to do but mark and tell Your neibours' fauts and folly! -- Robert Burns (Address to the Unco Guid)
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  • From:USA

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:01-12-2018 02:26:46Copy HTML

Alaska's a pretty big place; does anyone know what area AK-1 live/works in?


I thought it was Juneau.  I remeber him arguing with Mick about Jeneau being a basic cliff, which it is.  And, Juheau has a prison and he works in one.  Still though, conjecture....



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  • From:USA

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:01-12-2018 02:29:22Copy HTML

Yek: I see you recall the argument too. We only share that. Still, I think Juneau
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  • From:USA

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:01-12-2018 03:17:20Copy HTML

Could be, Nate.  Memory is not infallible.  Probably better that way.  Lol.  At any rate, the casualty count so far is heartening.  



O ye wha are sae guid yoursel', Sae pious and sae holy, Ye've nought to do but mark and tell Your neibours' fauts and folly! -- Robert Burns (Address to the Unco Guid)
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  • From:USA

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:01-12-2018 06:04:52Copy HTML

Could be, Nate.  Memory is not infallible.  Probably better that way.  Lol.  At any rate, the casualty count so far is heartening.  




you admit you aren't perfect?  I'm crushed.  You are my internet goddess.


Know what I hate.  My memory is failing.  My friends all say don't worry, it's normal.  Somehow, that's supposed to make me feel better?

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  • From:USA

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:01-12-2018 08:26:17Copy HTML

Somehow, that's supposed to make me feel better?

Well it probably is, but deteriorating memory sucks, no sugar coating it Nate.  To a greater or lesser degree, no one is exempt.  But, apart from trying to stay healthy via diet, exercise, social activity and staying engaged with the world not a lot to be done except adopt 'change the things I can' outlook.  If you're seriously concerned, consult Doctor to either put your mind at ease or plan regimen for coping.   


I find commiting rote learning to longer term memory is almost impossible - home from Croatia less than a month, and only three of the twelve words and phrases 'learned' are retrievable today.  Two of them are "yes" (da) and "no" (ne), lol.  There's always Google Translate, though - take comfort also we're living in an age where there's a vast off-loaded memory bank at our disposal!  



O ye wha are sae guid yoursel', Sae pious and sae holy, Ye've nought to do but mark and tell Your neibours' fauts and folly! -- Robert Burns (Address to the Unco Guid)
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  • From:Argentina

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:01-12-2018 11:32:30Copy HTML

I've done a lot of translating of Polish to English on the internet.  It ain't easy, LOL!  Especially when faced with handwriting that is a hundred or better years old. 

Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
Yekyua Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #14
  • From:USA

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:02-12-2018 12:40:39Copy HTML

I'm sure it's not easy! Translation is a skill and an art. Didn't know you spoke Polish Skrumpie, though think you've mentioned that heritage. Were you translating in conjunction with your genealogical research?  


I've visited Krakow twice now - don't know if you've been there but it's a lovely, walkable and atmospheric city chock full of beautiful, historical architecture.  Also surprisingly (to me) delicious, affordable food, reflecting German, Ukranian, Slavic and surprisingly, a lot of Italian influences. 


On quake, it still appears as though injuries were minimal and no deaths.  Lots of shaken up folks though, as well as messes to clean up, road repair and rebuilding to do.  

O ye wha are sae guid yoursel', Sae pious and sae holy, Ye've nought to do but mark and tell Your neibours' fauts and folly! -- Robert Burns (Address to the Unco Guid)
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  • From:Argentina

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:02-12-2018 01:28:25Copy HTML

Ah!  I WISH I spoke Polish, Yek. Actually, I am told I was fluent until five years old, due to my grandfather taking me under his wing in the kitchen, while he created wonderful Polish sausage and other delights for the neighborhood store he and my grandmother ran at the front of their house.  Oh, the smells.  His voice.  His face.  I can still hear and see it all, but alas, I hear his Polish in English, because my grandmother made him stop speaking to me in Polish, because she didn't want me to bee seen as they were--D(isplaced) P(ersons)'S.  That's why she Americanized our Polish surname.


The translation I have been attempting has been Polish to English in an attempt to find some family records.  I've had a little luck but not much since the timeframe I am researching sees the part of Poland my grandparents were from assimillated into Russia, surnames changed to Russian variations along with village names, etc.   There is no translating Cyrillic to English that I can wrap this old brain around, LOL.  I am having better luck with German to English for the other side of the family, but that writing................is another story!


I remember you were so kind to post some pictures of Krakow----I really appreciated that.  If only I could find some birth information about someone in Poland, I could then engage a geneaologist there to get me started, and off I would go.  But nothing can be done until I can get something, a birth, a baptism, a marriage to nail down a location.

Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
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  • From:USA

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:02-12-2018 02:48:46Copy HTML

Somehow, that's supposed to make me feel better?


Well it probably is, but deteriorating memory sucks, no sugar coating it Nate. 




Fact.  Which I mourn.  I tell my kids all the time that my memory loss is made worse by the fact I still remember being able to remember.   


I've read studies that say activities that engage both the mind and the hands are best to maintain capacity or slow decrease.  So while brain puzzles are good, better still are things like learning to play an instrument.     Now if I could only remember to attend and then practice my music lesson, I'm sure I'll find this to be so.  






To the topic...not being unfamiliar with earthquakes here in California, it isn't unusual to feel them or not feel them if they are smaller.  I've been woken up by them and also slept through them.   But I think the Loma Prieta quake was 6.9, and it was terrifying and devastating.  Even if you suffered no damage which I fortunately did not, you don't forget where you were at the time.     I do hope AK and family are okay...and that he will check in soon and let us know. 

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  • From:USA

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:02-12-2018 10:17:24Copy HTML

 

He and Mickeyrat once had a huge and protracted hoo-ha about how to characterize the geography of Anchorage, MRat insisting he was far better qualified, Alaska citing his long-term residency as deciding authoritative voice.  Can't recall the terms over which they quarreled. 

It was over whether Juneau was flat or not. I'm far better qualified than he in all respects. But in this case, one might reasonably suppose that because he is a resident of Alaska, he would be able to render a more definitive view than eye...except that depite the fact Juneau itself is surrounded by mountains, it itself is a littoral on a coast, and the town itself is flat.


But being the generous guy that I am, let me sound a phrase that should be familiar to our rightwinge friends here, "He's in our thoughts and prayers...but we don't intend to do one damn thing about it."

~Oh, I wish it would rain.~ --The Temptations
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  • From:Argentina

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:02-12-2018 10:54:12Copy HTML

What do you think can be done about an earthquake, Mickey?

Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
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  • From:USA

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:03-12-2018 04:56:15Copy HTML

The same thing that can be done about guns, skrumpie. You know they're out there, so you try to minimize the damage they can do BEFORE they strike, not send thoughts and prayers winging after the fact.
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  • From:USA

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:03-12-2018 01:53:42Copy HTML

The same thing that can be done about guns, skrumpie. You know they're out there, so you try to minimize the damage they can do BEFORE they strike, not send thoughts and prayers winging after the fact.



It's my understanding the damage was minimized because they built structures to withstand earthquakes:


https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/alaska-surveys-damage-major-earthquakes-59537635



So...what exactly did you want to see happen that didn't and what exactly did you do?   BTW, this rightwinger's husband is heading there with a team of rightwingers that go to every natural disaster in America.  Last month he was in Florida.    What did you do there before or after the hurricane?  

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  • From:USA

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:04-12-2018 10:31:15Copy HTML

That's terrific, QZ.  What a wonderful, and I would imagine deeply gratifying mission.  


Skrumpie, your recollections of early childhood and your Polish grandparents were so evocative.  Thanks for posting them.   

O ye wha are sae guid yoursel', Sae pious and sae holy, Ye've nought to do but mark and tell Your neibours' fauts and folly! -- Robert Burns (Address to the Unco Guid)
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  • From:USA

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:05-12-2018 04:25:48Copy HTML

It's my understanding the damage was minimized because they built structures to withstand earthquakes:


Oh, how interesting. You mean, they DIDN'T say, "well, yes, we know that earthquakes can kill thousands every year, but we can't take any steps to minimize the problem"? You mean they recognized that a problem exists and did something about it?


Yet, isn't this solidly Republican state yet another populace that swears we can't do anything about the gun killings every year in this country. 


As for what I did before the quake, well, neither being clairvoyant nor, despite the claims of some, a hound, I didn't know it was coming, so did nothing. 


As to what I will do afterwards, well, I"m not really moved to go up to alaska and freeze my ass off: it's cold enough right now in SF.


But with my employees, this is what I did do. As you know, the California Great Shakeout was held October 18th. On that date, rather than have the employees do the boring old duck and cover, I made them give me the three most likeliest places they would be OUTSIDE work, and asked them to visualize, right then and there, where they would go to take cover if necessary. The point being that we're not likely to be all at work if it's 5:AM as in 1906 vs. 5PM in 1989. Everyone should know where they should go if they're at home, at church, at their best friends house, at their SO's house (if single)...whereever you are going to spend a significant amount of time you should know where you're going to take cover, if you live in SF, Anchorage, or a multiplicity of other places prone to quakes, if one hits.


And I also, on November 10th, recertified for the Neighborhood Emergency Response Team, complete with Captain America helmet, badge and neon green "Mickey is now dictator" vest. (Actually, it says NERT, but I'm interpreting it...)


But I still don't have a go-bag, that backpack full of essentials, ALL of us should have, because ALL of us are prone to weather, or EMP attacks that knock out power etc. 

~Oh, I wish it would rain.~ --The Temptations
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  • From:USA

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:05-12-2018 12:47:29Copy HTML

It's my understanding the damage was minimized because they built structures to withstand earthquakes:


Oh, how interesting. You mean, they DIDN'T say, "well, yes, we know that earthquakes can kill thousands every year, but we can't take any steps to minimize the problem"? You mean they recognized that a problem exists and did something about it?


Yeah, MRat.  Turns out a bunch of rightwingers actually took effective action.    


Yet, isn't this solidly Republican state yet another populace that swears we can't do anything about the gun killings every year in this country.


Isn't your solidly Dem state yet another populace who "did something" and passed very strict gun laws but has had several terrible mass shootings recently? 


As for what I did before the quake, well, neither being clairvoyant nor, despite the claims of some, a hound, I didn't know it was coming, so did nothing.


Imagine my surprise that you claim rightwingers should "do something"...when they in fact did....yet you don't. 


As to what I will do afterwards, well, I"m not really moved to go up to alaska and freeze my ass off: it's cold enough right now in SF.


Of course...it would be too much to ask for you....or even your wallet...to be uncomfortable. 


But with my employees, this is what I did do. As you know, the California Great Shakeout was held October 18th. On that date, rather than have the employees do the boring old duck and cover, I made them give me the three most likeliest places they would be OUTSIDE work, and asked them to visualize, right then and there, where they would go to take cover if necessary. The point being that we're not likely to be all at work if it's 5:AM as in 1906 vs. 5PM in 1989. Everyone should know where they should go if they're at home, at church, at their best friends house, at their SO's house (if single)...whereever you are going to spend a significant amount of time you should know where you're going to take cover, if you live in SF, Anchorage, or a multiplicity of other places prone to quakes, if one hits.


And I also, on November 10th, recertified for the Neighborhood Emergency Response Team, complete with Captain America helmet, badge and neon green "Mickey is now dictator" vest. (Actually, it says NERT, but I'm interpreting it...)


But I still don't have a go-bag, that backpack full of essentials, ALL of us should have, because ALL of us are prone to weather, or EMP attacks that knock out power etc.


So your leftwing idea of "doing something in advance" is to play an imagine game, obtain a "dictator" vest, and not be prepared yourself.  Sounds about right.   Well, my thoughts and prayers are with you for the next quake, and be sure to look for my hub and his rightwinger friends when they show up to provide essentials for you.  



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  • From:USA

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:05-12-2018 01:11:03Copy HTML

That's terrific, QZ.  What a wonderful, and I would imagine deeply gratifying mission.  




It's unfortunate that the media gives so little attention to how many people show up to help their fellow Americans.  I have gone in my younger days and it is really heartwarming to witness just how many decent people there still are in this country. 



I'm increasingly hearing folks shoot off their mouth about the worthlessness of "thoughts and prayers" of rightwingers...well, let's just say you won't hear anyone saying that there.  

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  • From:USA

Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:06-12-2018 09:26:24Copy HTML

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What goes around, comes around.
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Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:06-12-2018 09:29:53Copy HTML

alaskaone has been posting at The American Experience, seems fine. Hayekian checked on him there, got a really good description of what it was like for his family.
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Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:07-12-2018 02:25:39Copy HTML

alaskaone has been posting at The American Experience, seems fine. Hayekian checked on him there, got a really good description of what it was like for his family.


Well how insulting. Ask him why he refuses to grace us with his presence...other than being scared of me.


Imagine my surprise that you claim rightwingers should "do something"...when they in fact did....yet you don't. 

Imagine my surprise that you actually believe I should have done something either before or after the quake.


I follow Alexadra Ocasio-Cortez on twitter. I was looking a thread there last night. She was talking about tax policy. Imagine my surprise, QZ, how many rightwingers sent her comments like "Well, why don't YOU give more out of your pocket to the IRS and leave me alone". As though AOC were by herself capable of rectifying tax policy in this nation by contributing a little more out of her pocket.


It seems you rightwingers are hung up on the notion that you can absolve yourself for whatever problems exist in this nation by being surprised that your intelocutor hasn't, by themselves, solved the problem, so that all you have to say is, "What, you didn't fix tax policy by contributing more of your dollars, so how dare you propose to do so based on my dollars" or "what, you didn't predict the earthquake and like superman stop it from happening so how dare you propose we do anything to prepare for earthquakes ahead of time.


Do you see, QZ, what an absolutely DIMWITTED perspective that is. Whether tax policy or the damage done by earthquakes, we are talking about societal issues, which do not hang on the actions, one way or the other, of single individuals, contributing more of their money to the IRS or holding the fault lines together with superpowers before the earthquake hits. These are issues we address as a SOCIETY, it is why we have laws, so I DON'T have to solve all the problems on my own when collective action serves a far greater and efficient purposes.


You, and AOC's idiot rightwingers bleating that she should give her entire salary to the IRS and leave them alone, need to grasp the above.


So your leftwing idea of "doing something in advance" is to play an imagine game, obtain a "dictator" vest, and not be prepared yourself.  Sounds about right.   Well, my thoughts and prayers are with you for the next quake, and be sure to look for my hub and his rightwinger friends when they show up to provide essentials for you.  

My guess is you hub and his rightwinger friends won't do shit to help others, qz. NERT classes in SF, that terrible liberal city, are always full, and SF's emergency personnel are more often called out to help others than they call for help from others. As for imagine games, what, you moron, do you think ALL drills are? They've all been through the drill multiple times, but they HADN'T been asked those questions before.

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Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:07-12-2018 01:11:06Copy HTML




I follow Alexadra Ocasio-Cortez on twitter.


My condolences. 


Do you see, QZ, what an absolutely DIMWITTED perspective that is.


I promise you that I always see how dimwitted rhetorical fallacy is.  Nevertheless, it still remains true that rightwingers are supportive of sensible measures which actually work, as well as far more charitable by every measure when it comes to actually providing help. 


My guess is you hub and his rightwinger friends won't do shit to help others, qz.


Of course not.  Clearing debris, tarping roofs, securing structures, rebuilding fences, home repairs, etc.  is totally worthless window dressing compared to you being certified in vest wearing.  


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Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:07-12-2018 01:32:34Copy HTML

alaskaone has been posting at The American Experience, seems fine. Hayekian checked on him there, got a really good description of what it was like for his family.



Good to hear!! 



Also...I wish they were both posting here! 




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Re:Pray For Alaska

Date Posted:07-12-2018 09:32:40Copy HTML

“Well how insulting. Ask him why he refuses to grace us with his presence...other than being scared of me.” LOL......Pretty sure he’s not afraid of anyone. His dark side has cookies. He does post topics here and sometimes comments on threads. I wonder why since he’s the high mucky muck there. It’s a quiet place, not so much animosity among members and there are members there that don’t post here. I believe a member exodus occurred with the last round of aimoo glitches. Hopefully, the best of them will be back. I come here for your posts, Yekyua, QZ, Nateonthenet, skywanderer, easyrider123 , etc because you don’t post there....... govols posts here and there which when I’ve replied there, I don’t know what to say here, and I sometimes think my post has been deleted before I remember that it’s likely on the other forum.
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