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Tomlapaz
  • From:USA

Date Posted:01-04-2018 06:27:08Copy HTML

A descendant of David was born in Bethlehem (as foretold by the Jewish prophet Micah), died for the sins of his people and raised from the dead (as foretold by the Jewish prophet Isaiah and Jewish King David), 2000 years ago (in the time as foretold by the Jewish prophet Daniel). And because of this descendant of David, men and women everywhere have the means of finding peace with the Creator of the heavens and the earth. The forgiveness of sins.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #1
  • From:New_zealand

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:01-04-2018 08:30:35Copy HTML

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"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #2
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:01-04-2018 10:16:20Copy HTML

Yobbo, that does not jive with the facts, guy.   It certainly does not address the OP.

And if it did jive with the facts - you and I would be sorry characters - none of us here are very good at keeping the Golden Rule, let alone God's standard of righteousness.  It is ironic that you ignore that side of it.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #3
  • From:New_zealand

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:02-04-2018 01:37:52Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

Yobbo, that does not jive with the facts, guy.   It certainly does not address the OP.

What facts?  The OP made a variety of statements that are meaningless.

And if it did jive with the facts - you and I would be sorry characters - none of us here are very good at keeping the Golden Rule, let alone God's standard of righteousness.  It is ironic that you ignore that side of it.

There is no god so there can be no godly standards of righteousness.

God was invented by pre Bronze Age nomads who felt a need to explain the universe.  The fact that these men were essentially misogynists with little or no female input is the reason your god is such an unpleasant imaginary object.  The fact that so many of the ancients made so many prophecies and the Christian religion produces stories that are alleged to fulfill these in the way they did, didn't convince Jewish scholars.  Of course both are wrong. 




"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #4
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:02-04-2018 01:43:15Copy HTML

There is no god so there can be no godly standards of righteousness.


In other words, no real such thing as right and wrong.  Good and evil.  Yes?   It is all dependent on one's POV.

And yes the OP statements, and that is just one tiny piece of the whole package, is evidence of the reliability of the Bible. 

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #5
  • From:New_zealand

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:02-04-2018 02:35:17Copy HTML

The bible is not reliable.   I have introduced several threads giving accounts of biblical contradictions which you never answer.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #6
  • From:New_zealand

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:02-04-2018 02:38:03Copy HTML

But there are standards of goodness.  Some coincide with what the bible says, some disagree.
The bible discounts the worth of women.  I disagree with this.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #7
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:02-04-2018 02:50:53Copy HTML

Reply to Yobbo

But there are standards of goodness.  Some coincide with what the bible says, some disagree.
The bible discounts the worth of women.  I disagree with this.


Actually, the Bible elevates the worth of women beyond compare.   But of course, you live in that strange world of yours where you misread things and yet never back them up.  Or misunderstand the context, or whatever.   I never did get you to defend that one claim I kept asking you about, after I refuted it.   But I see you do that with other folk you respect more than me, on other subjects, so I figure it is what it is.


Anyway, yes there are various standards of goodness.  Of course.  But if there is no absolute standard to compare them to - then as noted, it is all based on one's POV.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #8
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:03-04-2018 09:56:15Copy HTML

 Actually, the Bible elevates the worth of women beyond compare.

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If you cherrypick quotes as you are wont to do in order to support your preconceived fairy tales.  But if you actually read the whole thing...not so much.

Genesis 38:1 Burn the daughter of a priest if she has sex out of wedlock.  Elevated beyond compare.

Any wife who helps her husband shall have her hand cut off.  Elevated beyond compare.

"When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

Woman was created for man and man is in charge. Elevated beyond compare.....as long as you don't compare them to men...because we are superior.

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (I Corinthians 11:3)

"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." (I Corinthians 11:8-9)

Father offers daughter to drunken mob for rape....elevated beyond compare.

"Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." (Judges 19:24-25)

Be silent and listen to the man....elevated beyond compare.

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)


Doesn't get much clearer than this.

"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything." (Ephesians 5:22-24)


"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #9
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:03-04-2018 11:06:13Copy HTML

A woman can go into  the very presence of the Creator, and he hears her prayer and answers them.

How much more elevated can one get than that, Skw?  

Btw, some of the passages you selected (not all) - you ignored context.   Like Judges 19 - recording history, is not the same as endorsing that history.  Good grief.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #10
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:04-04-2018 04:57:55Copy HTML

 There is no god so there can be no godly standards of righteousness.

In other words, no real such thing as right and wrong.  Good and evil.  Yes?

____________


No.  Right and Wrong existed long before the bronze age men wrote your fairy tale.  There is no need for a higher being to establish what is right and wrong for us.  The fact you think you need it is actually quite sad.

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #11
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:05-04-2018 12:28:25Copy HTML

You mean, men made up what they thought was right and wrong,  you are saying?
Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #12
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:05-04-2018 05:48:31Copy HTML

 Yes, you are correct Tomas.  Men made it up long ago....in the bible when they wrote it.  And they essentially copied it from Hammurabi's code in Egypt, which contained all the ten commandments and more over 1800 years before the bible was written.




"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #13
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:05-04-2018 08:16:49Copy HTML

Reply to Yobbo

Reply to Tomlapaz

Yobbo, that does not jive with the facts, guy.   It certainly does not address the OP.

What facts?  The OP made a variety of statements that are meaningless.

And if it did jive with the facts - you and I would be sorry characters - none of us here are very good at keeping the Golden Rule, let alone God's standard of righteousness.  It is ironic that you ignore that side of it.

There is no god so there can be no godly standards of righteousness.

God was invented by pre Bronze Age nomads who felt a need to explain the universe.  The fact that these men were essentially misogynists with little or no female input is the reason your god is such an unpleasant imaginary object.  The fact that so many of the ancients made so many prophecies and the Christian religion produces stories that are alleged to fulfill these in the way they did, didn't convince Jewish scholars.  Of course both are wrong. 




NONSENSE. You just want it that way and have your outcome predetermined.

skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #14
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:05-04-2018 09:11:31Copy HTML

 Nonsense???  Why do the commandments and other rules of the bible look almost exactly like Hammurabi's code written 1,800 years earlier? 

Because man wrote them as well....not God.

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #15
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:05-04-2018 10:49:02Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 Nonsense???  Why do the commandments and other rules of the bible look almost exactly like Hammurabi's code written 1,800 years earlier? 

Because man wrote them as well....not God.


A conclusion you leap to being predisposed to your predetermined outcome of God not existing. Similarity is not a disqualifier, nor does it establish the conclusion you just made.
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #16
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:05-04-2018 11:38:57Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 Yes, you are correct Tomas.  Men made it up long ago....in the bible when they wrote it.  And they essentially copied it from Hammurabi's code in Egypt, which contained all the ten commandments and more over 1800 years before the bible was written.





Well, guess what?   The verse below is talking about such folk - those who do what is right in their own eyes, such as you admit to doing.

"Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." (Judges 19:24-25)

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #17
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:06-04-2018 02:42:56Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 Yes, you are correct Tomas.  Men made it up long ago....in the bible when they wrote it.  And they essentially copied it from Hammurabi's code in Egypt, which contained all the ten commandments and more over 1800 years before the bible was written.





Not made up at all.

2 Timothy 3:16 Revised Standard Version (RSV)

16 All scripture is inspired by God and[a] profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #18
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:06-04-2018 06:15:08Copy HTML

 A woman can go into  the very presence of the Creator, and he hears her prayer and answers them.

How much more elevated can one get than that, Skw?  

_____________________


It would be if it were true, but it is not.  Got a single piece of evidence that a woman's prayer has ever been answered?  How about those girls mutilated in Africa?

I see you have zero comments on all the biblical quotes about stoning and abusing subservient women. ....as usual.

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #19
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:06-04-2018 06:20:11Copy HTML

 Not made up at all.

2 Timothy 3:16 Revised Standard Version (RSV)


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LOL...so since the bible says it is inspired by God, that is evidence to you that it was not written by man? 

Its like going to court and saying I'm not guilty because I said so.  Good lord....no pun intended.

Here's the thing.  Religion evolved all over the world in totally separate cultures at about the time man began to contemplate their existence.  As we evolved and become smart, we started to ask questions about things we don't understand or fear....death. So as we began to contemplate our existence and ponder, and likely argue, we made up answers.

All over the world for thousands of years, when man doesn't know something, he makes up shit.  Its more common than rain. Men made up different religious stories in every culture.  The sun god, the ocean god, the rain god.......

Back to the God of the Gaps argument.  Everything we didn't understand was the result of God.  God brought rain, until we learned how rain happened.  God made lightning, until we figured out how that worked.  God brought droughts.....no.  God made people sick....No.  The actions of our God become fewer and fewer and the Gap in our knowledge narrows his influence.



"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #20
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:06-04-2018 06:23:54Copy HTML

 When we discover life elsewhere, if it has gone through the process of contemplating their existence, there will be a parallel to religion.

Elephants are in the process right now.  They are quite smart and form long-term family bonds.  Herds will migrate many miles to places that offer no food or water just to visit and hangout with bones of a deceased relative.  They miss them.  They can think.  They will someday figure things out. 

If humans are here for a few million more years (doubtful) someone will have to tell the elephants they are not made in God's image and cant go to heaven with us.  LOLOL They will probably laugh at us.

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #21
  • From:New_zealand

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:06-04-2018 06:44:39Copy HTML

Not made up at all.

2 Timothy 3:16 Revised Standard Version (RSV)

16 All scripture is inspired by God and[a] profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

So if it is written in the bible you can ignore archeology and other, earlier writings.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #22
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:06-04-2018 10:30:26Copy HTML

Reply to Yobbo

Not made up at all.

2 Timothy 3:16 Revised Standard Version (RSV)

16 All scripture is inspired by God anda]">[a] profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

So if it is written in the bible you can ignore archeology and other, earlier writings.


Actually the BIBLE continues to be proven over time AS WELL AS being more and more accurate. Archeology is only of many disciplines to validate.
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #23
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:07-04-2018 01:18:40Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 A woman can go into  the very presence of the Creator, and he hears her prayer and answers them.

How much more elevated can one get than that, Skw?  

_____________________


It would be if it were true, but it is not.  Got a single piece of evidence that a woman's prayer has ever been answered?  How about those girls mutilated in Africa?

I see you have zero comments on all the biblical quotes about stoning and abusing subservient women. ....as usual.


Not true - so now you are denigrating those women who say otherwise?  Interesting.


Well, again guess what?   The verse below is talking about such folk as yourself - those who do what is right in their own eyes, such as you admit to doing.  The Bible recording actions from folk who believe as you do is not the same thing as the Bible endorsing such.

"Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." (Judges 19:24-25)

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #24
  • From:New_zealand

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:07-04-2018 01:41:32Copy HTML

Reply to wale63

Reply to Yobbo

Not made up at all.

2 Timothy 3:16 Revised Standard Version (RSV)

16 All scripture is inspired by God anda]">[a] profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

So if it is written in the bible you can ignore archeology and other, earlier writings.


Actually the BIBLE continues to be proven over time AS WELL AS being more and more accurate. Archeology is only of many disciplines to validate.

Would you please outline the proof you claim which has repudiated archaeology and confirmed the bible?

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #25
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:07-04-2018 03:22:15Copy HTML

Reply to Yobbo

Reply to wale63

Reply to Yobbo

Not made up at all.

2 Timothy 3:16 Revised Standard Version (RSV)

16 All scripture is inspired by God anda]">[a] profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

So if it is written in the bible you can ignore archeology and other, earlier writings.


Actually the BIBLE continues to be proven over time AS WELL AS being more and more accurate. Archeology is only of many disciplines to validate.

Would you please outline the proof you claim which has repudiated archaeology and confirmed the bible?


I said ARCHAEOLOGY helps CONFIRM the BIBLE as one of MANY disciplines to do so.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #26
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:07-04-2018 05:47:16Copy HTML

 Yes ....so give examples.  Because a place in the bible exists doesn't mean it confirms the bible.  Tokyo exists, which doesn't confirm Godzilla.  Although Tomas thinks Arthur Conan Doyle confirms that man and dinosaur lived together
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #27
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:07-04-2018 10:37:04Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 Yes ....so give examples.  Because a place in the bible exists doesn't mean it confirms the bible.  Tokyo exists, which doesn't confirm Godzilla.  Although Tomas thinks Arthur Conan Doyle confirms that man and dinosaur lived together

AU contraire. Archaeology has shown that places described in the BIBLE, previously thought to be fictitious, did in fact exist. On the basis of NOT having been known until Archaeology showed them to, many dismissed the BIBLE as a work of fiction. Time continues to show the Bible more accurate as we march on.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #28
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:08-04-2018 02:02:23Copy HTML

 OMG That is just what I said.  Read the post again.

Just because a place written in an old book exists, doesn't mean anyone walked on water, divided the red sea or was the son of God.

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote the lost world.  All the places in the book exist, so man and dinosaurs must have lived together right?  Tokyo exists so Godzilla is real.  I could give a million examples.

The bible wrote about a great flood that covered the earth...people thought it fictitious....archaeologists found a regional flood that was created in the Mediterranean when a geologic event  collapsed a peninsula in the Bosporus about 8000 years ago. Hardly global but a lot of people lived there and that is likely the flood legend passed down by oral tradition that become the biblical flood.

Recall god of the gaps. Something like that happened and all the people thought it was god. But it wasn't, and it didn't cover the earth.  Want to argue the accuracy of the bible on that one????

You are making yourself look silly.   It stands to reason that any oral stories from long ago will contain real places.   The mystical magical stuff is all horseshit with not a shred of evidence. 


"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #29
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:08-04-2018 03:13:05Copy HTML

I am going to treat the last two posts as Skw does with the dictionary.  Particularly since it seems he missed what Wale63 was actually saying.


Wale63: Time continues to show the Bible more accurate as we march on.

Skw: OMG That is just what I said.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #30
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:08-04-2018 04:20:37Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 OMG That is just what I said.  Read the post again.

Just because a place written in an old book exists, doesn't mean anyone walked on water, divided the red sea or was the son of God.

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote the lost world.  All the places in the book exist, so man and dinosaurs must have lived together right?  Tokyo exists so Godzilla is real.  I could give a million examples.

The bible wrote about a great flood that covered the earth...people thought it fictitious....archaeologists found a regional flood that was created in the Mediterranean when a geologic event  collapsed a peninsula in the Bosporus about 8000 years ago. Hardly global but a lot of people lived there and that is likely the flood legend passed down by oral tradition that become the biblical flood.

Recall god of the gaps. Something like that happened and all the people thought it was god. But it wasn't, and it didn't cover the earth.  Want to argue the accuracy of the bible on that one????

You are making yourself look silly.   It stands to reason that any oral stories from long ago will contain real places.   The mystical magical stuff is all horseshit with not a shred of evidence. 



" You are making yourself look silly.   It stands to reason that any oral stories from long ago will contain real places.   The mystical magical stuff is all horseshit with not a shred of evidence. "

1- At one time the places written had NO evidence they existed. Science later showed that to be true.

2- Scientific facts continue to be found in the BIBLE long before their actual dates of discovery, showing the BIBLE more accurate before "science":

Scientific Fact or Principle Bible reference               Date of discovery by man

Water cycle Ecclesiastes 1:7                                     17th Century
Life originated in the sea Genesis 1                           19th Century
Lightning and thunder are related Job 38:25              19th Century
Human beings were the last living things Genesis 1    15th Century


3- Yes, we can argue the accuracy of the BIBLE on the flood. As we've shown, TIME has shown the BIBLE to be more and more accurate. What YOU are having a problem with is that YOU want God, and his WORD, explained to YOU within YOUR understanding and in YOUR time frame and it doesn't work that way. GOD is omniscient and omnipotent, humans are NOT. They are limited, finite human beings and believe it or not so is science. An OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT and INFINITE being cannot be contained inn, or explained WITHIN the limited scope of finite human understanding. What you, as MANY do, is to say something like " If I cannot frame the subject within MY thinking, then it doesn't exist OR I reject it."

How much has science not discovered yet?

How much was rejected until "science" discovered it?

Does that mean it didn't exist until 'science" discovered it?

It is going to take awhile for the BIBLE to be completely shown to be exactly what it says it is, not on YOUR schedule but on God's.

" For God in HIS wisdom made it IMPOSSIBLE for people to know him by means of their OWN wisdom"
1 Corinthians 1:21


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