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Tomlapaz
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Date Posted:01-04-2018 06:27:08Copy HTML

A descendant of David was born in Bethlehem (as foretold by the Jewish prophet Micah), died for the sins of his people and raised from the dead (as foretold by the Jewish prophet Isaiah and Jewish King David), 2000 years ago (in the time as foretold by the Jewish prophet Daniel). And because of this descendant of David, men and women everywhere have the means of finding peace with the Creator of the heavens and the earth. The forgiveness of sins.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #61
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:13-04-2018 08:56:10Copy HTML

4/1/18

"The Good News is about his Son, Jesus... he was shown to be the Son of God when he was raised from the dead by the power of the Holy Spirit. He is Jesus Christ our Lord" (Romans 1:3-4).

Jesus based all His claims on one clear sign: that He would die, and three days later He would rise from the dead!

Many people don’t know that Jesus repeatedly, in many different contexts and on many occasions, predicted both His death and His resurrection.

At least three times Jesus told His disciples He would die and rise again (Matthew 16:21; 17:22-23; 20:17-19). For instance, Matthew 16:21 states:

"From then on Jesus began to tell his disciples plainly that it was necessary for him to go to Jerusalem, and that he would suffer many terrible things at the hands of the elders, the leading priests, and the teachers of religious law. He would be killed, but on the third day he would be raised from the dead."

He also made this claim to the Jewish religious leaders, saying that "...just like Jonah was three days and three nights in the great fish, He would be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Matthew 12:40, NASB).

Note this: We know they clearly understood what Jesus was saying because they stationed a guard at Jesus' tomb, fearing He would rise from the dead! (Like that was going to keep Him in the tomb!) See Matthew 27:62-64.

So the Bible record makes it very clear that Jesus was saying that all His claims would be substantiated—validated—proven by His resurrection!

  • He claimed to forgive sins.
  • He claimed to be God.
  • He claimed to be the only way to heaven.

All these claims were substantiated by His resurrection!

That’s pretty solid confirmation, don’t you think?

One time a man came to the French statesman Talleyrand complaining that the new religion he'd devised, and which he thought was a lot better than Christianity, had not caught on with the people. He asked Talleyrand for some suggestions.

Talleyrand dryly said, "Sir, to insure success for your new religion, all you need do is have yourself crucified and then rise from the dead on the third day!"

The resurrection is the solid proof that Jesus offered for His claims. "Christianity begins where religion ends... with the resurrection."
(Herbert Booth Smith)

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #62
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:13-04-2018 05:41:27Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 There is an arrogance by those who place science at a higher level than is deserved. The thought is that SCIENCE is omnipotent,
omniscient and those who follow science are superior in understanding.
Science can only observe and understand what has been created.
Science hasn't even begun to completely understand the totality of what has been created, or even less than half.
What has been created comprises the entire universe.
Science is good. Science is A discipline but not the final one nor the complete one.
Human nature is SO arrogant as to believe that he can use finite tools and understanding to attempt to understand that which
is infinite and beyond the scope of science (in the grand scheme a discipline with limitations).
In other words, there is an arrogance that humans engage in where they feel that they, as the flawed and limited beings
(as compared to ALL creation-The universe) can superimpose their understanding upon that which is much greater in scope and comprehension.
.

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Look, if your answer was I don't believe anything you say about science or any evidence presented by science...you should have said so at the beginning and I could have simply ignored you as a fucking idiot.


TRANSLATION

" I choose not to subject my views to the scrutiny I demand of others- skwanderer "

IS IT YOUR POSISITION that SCIENCE IS THE FINAL STAMP OF APPROVAL ON EVERYTHING?

skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #63
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:13-04-2018 08:40:51Copy HTML

 TRANSLATION

" I choose not to subject my views to the scrutiny I demand of others- skwanderer "

IS IT YOUR POSISITION that SCIENCE IS THE FINAL STAMP OF APPROVAL ON EVERYTHING?

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No it is not. You once again lie about my position or completely misunderstand.  

There are facts, theories, and hypotheses in science.  Facts are facts.  They wont change.  Evolution is real.  We will never learn it is not.  When a rock falls on your head because of gravity, it hurts...all facts.   Theories are the general principles of how something known and observed (facts) works. Theories can be added to with new information or altered when something changes.  Hypotheses are untested ideas that can be rejected or accepted through testing.  Those are all vital parts of science.

I demand you scrutinize and provide evidence counter to the science I produce.  You have failed to do so. All you say is "it is obvious" "everything had to be created", and "no it isn't".  That is not scrutiny.  That is stomping your feet like a child and simply saying "no".  You have provided no scrutiny of any science I have posted whatsoever. 

Please.....  I beg you to provide some actual scrutiny of the science.  I enjoy the debate thoroughly.


"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #64
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:13-04-2018 09:00:06Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 TRANSLATION

" I choose not to subject my views to the scrutiny I demand of others- skwanderer "

IS IT YOUR POSISITION that SCIENCE IS THE FINAL STAMP OF APPROVAL ON EVERYTHING?

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No it is not. You once again lie about my position or completely misunderstand.  

There are facts, theories, and hypotheses in science.  Facts are facts.  They wont change.  Evolution is real.  We will never learn it is not.  When a rock falls on your head because of gravity, it hurts...all facts.   Theories are the general principles of how something known and observed (facts) works. Theories can be added to with new information or altered when something changes.  Hypotheses are untested ideas that can be rejected or accepted through testing.  Those are all vital parts of science.

I demand you scrutinize and provide evidence counter to the science I produce.  You have failed to do so. All you say is "it is obvious" "everything had to be created", and "no it isn't".  That is not scrutiny.  That is stomping your feet like a child and simply saying "no".  You have provided no scrutiny of any science I have posted whatsoever. 

Please.....  I beg you to provide some actual scrutiny of the science.  I enjoy the debate thoroughly.


Evolution is NOT fact not matter how much you cry and scream.

skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #65
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:13-04-2018 09:12:41Copy HTML

 Evolution is NOT fact not matter how much you cry and scream.

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lol. 

It is not my "crying and screaming" that says so.

It is a fact of countless research. ...not my "crying and screaming"

I have posted many times the actual recorded direct observations of evolution taking place.  The fact of evolution.  I will do so again to demonstrate you are the one crying and screaming "no it isn't" without posting a single piece of evidence that counters the data I have posted...and I am posting the facts. You are doing all the "crying and screaming"

https://www.richarddawkins.net/2013/04/direct-observations-of-evolution/

https://www.thoughtco.com/observation-and-evidence-for-evolution-249895

https://www.thoughtco.com/how-evolution-has-been-observed-249896




"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #66
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:14-04-2018 03:10:03Copy HTML

And Tomas has never once any of us we were wrong about anything.  Ask him to give you an example


You have been clearly shown to be wrong by the argument you introduced in the original thread on Hillary not winning a majority (which other folk pointed out, and even the link you provided pointing that out).

Why on earth is there any reason to think you have the character to honestly deal with more complex topics,  where you have even more motive not to see the errors of your position?

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #67
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:14-04-2018 03:34:48Copy HTML

 LOL   Majority means 1) the greater number and 2) more than half. 

It is correct to say Hillary won in a plurality with the majority of votes.  The fact you cannot accept that majority has more than one definition is your problem not mine.

Anyone can see I am correct by looking at a dictionary for 3 seconds.

But you hang onto that one instance you have been dragging around and claiming in dozens of threads for about a year now......

That is all poor little demented and obsessed Tomas has to hang his hat on.

"I don't like how skwanderer used the word majority, so I'll claim he could also be wrong about all the science he posts"

You are a mentally ill person Tomas.  You and Wale should get along swimmingly.

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #68
  • From:USA

Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:14-04-2018 03:48:26Copy HTML

Sorry guy,  in that other thread that you disappeared from (guess I can add that to the list), I quoted even from your own dictionary.

You have no credibility guy.  Whether you are truly confused, or lacking integrity (or likely both), you have lost credibility overall.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #69
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:14-04-2018 05:32:38Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 LOL   Majority means 1) the greater number and 2) more than half. 

It is correct to say Hillary won in a plurality with the majority of votes.  The fact you cannot accept that majority has more than one definition is your problem not mine.

Anyone can see I am correct by looking at a dictionary for 3 seconds.

But you hang onto that one instance you have been dragging around and claiming in dozens of threads for about a year now......

That is all poor little demented and obsessed Tomas has to hang his hat on.

"I don't like how skwanderer used the word majority, so I'll claim he could also be wrong about all the science he posts"

You are a mentally ill person Tomas.  You and Wale should get along swimmingly.


Hey Skdander,

TRUMP won a MAJORITY of the electoral votes, which is the method as dictated in the Constitution.

Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #70
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:14-04-2018 05:57:44Copy HTML

Just as addendum - he uses a British dictionary, not an American one, and they use the word differently over there.

But, even with that, it is interesting that the British link he used saw the need to stress that, in regard to American politics, the word 'majority' is not used as is done in GB, but always means more than 50% in American politics.


So there is no disagreement over Trump winning the majority of electoral votes.  But regarding the use of the word 'majority' by Americans, and the Oxford link Skw provided notes this, no one won the majority of the popular vote.   Hillary has a plurality, but in the US, that is not always the majority.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #71
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:14-04-2018 07:00:19Copy HTML

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/majority

majority


[muh-jawr-i-tee, -jor-]                             

noun, plural majorities.
1.
the greater part or number; the number larger than half the total (opposed to minority ):
the majority of the population.
2.
a number of voters or votes, jurors, or others in agreement, constituting more than half of the total number.

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I cant believe you are still doing this.
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #72
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:14-04-2018 07:04:30Copy HTML

Yep, as noted in your copy and paste- under both #1 and #2 - majority is larger than half the total.

Which we all agree Hillary did not have.   As noted in the original thread.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #73
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:14-04-2018 07:35:59Copy HTML

 Yes, under #1 it is also the greater number.....period.

Tomas: You used majority to mean the greater number and I meant in the plurality sense.

Skwanderer:  I understand it in the plurality sense and agree, but I used it as the "the greater number"

Tomas: I will never believe anything you say about anything again.


"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #74
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:14-04-2018 07:42:33Copy HTML

Yes, under #1 it is also the greater number.....period.


Not, it is not 'period' - it goes on then to clarify the first phrase - It is the greater number, and by that, they  mean, more than half.  Otherwise, they would list three definitions.   They are not going to contradict themselves within the first definition.

I cannot believe you are still doing this.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #75
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:14-04-2018 07:46:04Copy HTML

 lol..

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"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #76
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:14-04-2018 07:46:51Copy HTML

 

It means both Tomas

Tomas: You used majority to mean the greater number and I meant in the plurality sense.

Skwanderer:  I understand it in the plurality sense and agree, but I used it as the "the greater number"

Tomas: I will never believe anything you say about anything again.

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #77
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:14-04-2018 07:54:38Copy HTML

Not used like that - it clarified it.  English 101.  Clearly the below is not only true in areas of science.

Once that paradigm takes hold, scientists are often loath to give up on it even if evidence piles up that it might be wrong.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #78
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:14-04-2018 08:03:55Copy HTML

 Wrong thread 102.


"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #79
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:14-04-2018 09:56:14Copy HTML

Not at all - does not just apply to the field of science.

Here you are against all evidence, holding onto (alone I might add) to your position. 

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #80
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:14-04-2018 10:52:32Copy HTML

Tomas: You used majority to mean the greater number and I meant in the plurality sense.

Skwanderer:  I understand it in the plurality sense and agree, but I used it as the "the greater number"

Tomas: I will never believe anything you say about anything again.

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Who is holding on to what again?????

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #81
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:14-04-2018 11:35:11Copy HTML

You can twist the original argument as much as you like.

We both know that Hillary did not win the majority of popular vote in the US election, as the word is used by Americans.

More to the point, we both know it is lack of integrity that keeps you from admitting this.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #82
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:14-04-2018 11:56:28Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

Tomas: You used majority to mean the greater number and I meant in the plurality sense.

Skwanderer:  I understand it in the plurality sense and agree, but I used it as the "the greater number"

Tomas: I will never believe anything you say about anything again.

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Who is holding on to what again?????


TRUMP won a MAJORITY of the electoral votes, which is the method as dictated in the Constitution.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #83
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:15-04-2018 02:10:31Copy HTML

 Yes he did.  I think that is the first thing you've gotten correct since joining this forum.  Congratulations and perhaps a party is in order.
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #84
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:15-04-2018 04:18:46Copy HTML

And no one won a majority of the popular vote - at least as the word is used in the US, and as noted even by the British dictionary link regarding US politics in particular. Given the importance and interest of US politics for the British public, it would be understandable that it would want that clearly understood.

Hillary, however, did win a plurality of the vote.  

In the US, a majority is always a plurality, but a plurality is not always a majority.  In fact, in US politics, we have the simple majority and the super majority.


https://study.com/academy/lesson/majority-rule-definition-examples.html

Erin has taught English and History. She has a bachelor's degree in History, and a master's degree in International Relations

This lesson will help you understand the system of majority rule. We will briefly discuss what it means, how it is used in the United States and some of its advantages and disadvantages.

Majority rule is a decision-making system. In a choice or vote between two or more options, the option that wins over 50% of the vote wins. Although we use this strategy in daily life as in the ice cream/frozen yogurt dilemma, more often we think of majority rule in government. When a new law is voted on or a president is being elected we often use majority rule. The will of the majority of people is respected and controls the outcome almost all the time.

Majority rule is similar but slightly different from a plurality system. When a plurality system is used, the winning candidate only needs to win more votes than the other candidates. In a majority rule system a candidate needs to win over 50% of the overall vote.


https://study.com/academy/lesson/simple-majority-definition-system-rule.html

Erin teaches undergraduate and graduate classes in Political Science, Public Policy, and Public Administration and has a PhD in Political Science.

In this lesson, we will learn about a simple majority. This concept will be defined in the context of the United States and compared to the concept of a supermajority.

A simple majority is a vote taken by an organization where at least 51% of the members must vote yes to approve a bill before it is accepted. The United States national government has two lawmaking bodies, the House of Representatives and the Senate, which share responsibility for making the nation's laws. Some of these bills that may become law can be passed with a simple majority. For example, in the Senate, at least 51 of the 100 members must vote 'yes' to pass the 51% approval threshold. However, by law, other types of bills must be passed by a supermajority, which is a greater majority than a simple majority. Some issues must be resolved with more agreement than a simple majority. For example, most state legislatures mandate a supermajority vote to amend their state constitutions. Such issues may require a 2/3 or 3/4 vote of members to pass.


Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #85
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:15-04-2018 02:16:25Copy HTML

 Tomas, you are repeating what we all agree, including myself.  Poor mentally ill idiot.  How many threads have you highjacked with this obsession now? 
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #86
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:15-04-2018 02:48:41Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 Yes he did.  I think that is the first thing you've gotten correct since joining this forum.  Congratulations and perhaps a party is in order.

Took you awhile to admit Trump won majority ELECTORAL votes.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #87
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:15-04-2018 02:58:29Copy HTML

 I never said otherwise moron.  Lie much?  Why yes, yes you do.
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #88
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:15-04-2018 03:01:41Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 I never said otherwise moron.  Lie much?  Why yes, yes you do.

You contradict your posts then.
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #89
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:15-04-2018 04:14:53Copy HTML

Wale, you are either simply mistaken, delusional, or lying.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #90
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Re:Resurrection Sunday

Date Posted:15-04-2018 05:22:45Copy HTML

 All three.

Like Tomas, if I ask him to show me my contradictory posts saying Trump did not win with an electoral majority, he will run away and tell more delusional stories about something else.

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
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