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Tomlapaz
  • From:USA

Date Posted:28-06-2018 03:35:29Copy HTML

The human eye is another structure that stymies evolutionists.  Again, they invoke faith in the unseen - in an absurd way however.

But it is another example of Romans chapter 1

https://answersingenesis.org/human-body/eyes/can-evolution-produce-an-eye-not-a-chance/?utm_source=articlesmedia&utm_medium=email&utm_content=article2header&mc_cid=587edfded2&mc_eid=cab2b47150

If a supercomputer is obviously the product of intelligent design, how much more obviously is the eye a product of intelligent design? And yet, evolutionists are dead certain that the human eye (and everything else in nature) came into being by pure chance and the intrinsic properties of nature! Evolutionists occasionally admit that it is difficult for even them to believe such a thing. Ernst Mayr, for example, has conceded that:

It is a considerable strain on one’s credulity to assume that finely balanced systems such as certain sense organs (the eye of vertebrates, or the bird’s feather) could be improved by random mutations. (Systematics and the Origin of Species, p. 296)

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Romans Ch 1: Can Evolution Produce an Eye? Not a Chance!

Date Posted:02-07-2018 09:22:30Copy HTML

 It doesn't stymie evolutionists at all. There is little about evolution that is "pure chance"

Two lies in the opening statement meant to support the stupidity of the creationist magic story. 

I have explained to you a thousand times that evolution is not about pure chance, yet you lie, you lie, you lie. Its just what the evangelical do to protect their myths.


Tomas' motto:   So much science to ignore, so much time to ignore it all.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/evolution-of-the-eye/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/evolution_of_the_eye.htm

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3143066/

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
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  • From:USA

Re:Romans Ch 1: Can Evolution Produce an Eye? Not a Chance!

Date Posted:02-07-2018 11:38:55Copy HTML

It clearly stymies you - if all you can do is post a link, without showing one in your link actually refutes a section from the other link.
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #3
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Re:Romans Ch 1: Can Evolution Produce an Eye? Not a Chance!

Date Posted:03-07-2018 11:36:26Copy HTML

Ok, out of curiosity, I went through each of the links - only partially through the 3rd (and the 1st, only so far as one can go without having to sign in).

Thanks for the laugh.  Good grief, the number of times they actually admit to guessing in just what I read alone surprised me.   Maybe somehow it gets better, but not at all looking good.

So if you can provide something that actually refutes what the article is saying, well, then I think you have the start of something. 


Otherwise, your links are a clear illustration of Romans 1.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Romans Ch 1: Can Evolution Produce an Eye? Not a Chance!

Date Posted:03-07-2018 05:43:53Copy HTML

 It clearly stymies you - if all you can do is post a link, without showing one in your link actually refutes a section from the other link.

__________


All you did was post a link.  I'm not stymied.  I've read and understood those links long ago, and much more.

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
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Re:Romans Ch 1: Can Evolution Produce an Eye? Not a Chance!

Date Posted:03-07-2018 05:47:13Copy HTML

 Ok, out of curiosity, I went through each of the links - only partially through the 3rd (and the 1st, only so far as one can go without having to sign in).

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Ok, out of curiosity, I went through your posts.  And you offered no refutation whatsoever to anything.  A clear illustration of Romans I.

There are no guesses in the many transitional eye forms that follow geologic history via isochronic dating perfectly. It is what it is is...….each transitional form appearing in the record consistent with the phylogentic tree.

If only you weren't such a moron, we could probably have interesting scientific discussion, but alas, all you can do is say "no it isn't".



"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
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Re:Romans Ch 1: Can Evolution Produce an Eye? Not a Chance!

Date Posted:04-07-2018 09:24:14Copy HTML

Well, you have not been honest (and others have pointed that out), so that is really what precludes a serious discussion on the science.


And the proof of that?


18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men such as SKW, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness;
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because that which is known of God is manifest in Skw and others; for God manifested it unto them.
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For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, [even] his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse:
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because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened.
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Professing themselves to be wise, they like Skw became fools,
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and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God gave them (folks like Skw) up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves:

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #7
  • From:USA

Re:Romans Ch 1: Can Evolution Produce an Eye? Not a Chance!

Date Posted:04-07-2018 10:05:08Copy HTML

 

 
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #8
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Re:Romans Ch 1: Can Evolution Produce an Eye? Not a Chance!

Date Posted:07-07-2018 03:19:44Copy HTML

But there is a day of judgment coming -  and if our sins are not covered by the blood of Jesus, we would have to provide our own defense.

And no man can do that.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:Romans Ch 1: Can Evolution Produce an Eye? Not a Chance!

Date Posted:07-07-2018 06:31:00Copy HTML

Take your religious threats, Tom, and shove them where the sun does not shine.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #10
  • From:USA

Re:Romans Ch 1: Can Evolution Produce an Eye? Not a Chance!

Date Posted:07-07-2018 06:38:49Copy HTML

Facts are threats?
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #11
  • From:USA

Re:Romans Ch 1: Can Evolution Produce an Eye? Not a Chance!

Date Posted:08-07-2018 12:30:02Copy HTML

What you are calling facts, Tom, are not provable as such.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #12
  • From:USA

Re:Romans Ch 1: Can Evolution Produce an Eye? Not a Chance!

Date Posted:08-07-2018 01:08:35Copy HTML

Oh, they are, unless one hides his head in the sand.
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:Romans Ch 1: Can Evolution Produce an Eye? Not a Chance!

Date Posted:08-07-2018 01:47:11Copy HTML

So prove it, Tom.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #14
  • From:USA

Re:Romans Ch 1: Can Evolution Produce an Eye? Not a Chance!

Date Posted:08-07-2018 03:03:48Copy HTML

You mean like - prove that the sun and moon exist?

If someone did not believe the moon and the sun did not exist - how would one 'prove' that?



Btw, no one disagreed with the concept that we all fall short of the golden rule.   So there is hope............

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:New_zealand

Re:Romans Ch 1: Can Evolution Produce an Eye? Not a Chance!

Date Posted:08-07-2018 03:42:30Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

You mean like - prove that the sun and moon exist?

If someone did not believe the moon and the sun did not exist - how would one 'prove' that?



Btw, no one disagreed with the concept that we all fall short of the golden rule.   So there is hope............


Well there were a lot of people up until relatively recently who believed the sun circled the earth rather as the moon does.  These people were Christian believers since they got this information from their book of fairy tales (the bible).
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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Re:Romans Ch 1: Can Evolution Produce an Eye? Not a Chance!

Date Posted:08-07-2018 04:03:25Copy HTML

Actually, not all believers believed that.   Depended in part on whether they relying on the 'science' of the day, or whatever.   The Bible itself does not actually 'teach' that the sun circled the earth.   No more when an intelligent person tells us what time will be the sunset - is he thus saying the sun actually circles the earth? 


So, going back to Bogus' request:  if Yobbo was to deny the moon and sun exist, how would one prove to Yobbo that they do?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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