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alaskaone
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Date Posted:09-03-2018 11:43:09Copy HTML

I've been friends with a woman in South Africa since the 1980's so I kind of pay attention to what goes on there.  Her description of S.A. since the end of apartheid differs significantly from the media's depiction which shouldn't surprise anyone, really.

If you haven't heard, last week the government of south africa kicked the Boers off of their land.  The Boers are still being held responsible for any mortgage notes on the land that they no longer own but most of them have said, fuck off.

Generally speaking, when something like this happens, you can start the clock on the famine and genocide.  My friend isn't a farmer but she and her husband have faced relentless abuse and discrimination since the end of apartheid.  They left the country several times because her husband could not get a job because he's white.  They own, for the moment, a house so they returned from Tanzania because they got tired of malaria and they'd hoped things had settled down in S.A. during their absence.

It hasn't.

UPDATE: White South Africans face genocide...

Their eldest daughter got a job as an au pair in North Carolina, she arrives the end of this month so she's safe for a while.  The rest of them are stuck in S.A.  One of the reasons behind my sudden interest in cryptocurrency is the possibility it offers for me to get them money fast hopefully without governmental interference. 

US history in regard to refugees of genocide is spotty, at best, so getting them out of there seems hopeless.  Given that almost no mainstream media coverage of this is happening, it seems unlikely to me that unka sam will give the same warn welcome he's been giving to somalis or syrians and I doubt any of the EU will, either.  Maybe the Dutch but I doubt it.

There has been coverage of the events in S.A.  It's come from independent journalists on Youtube and my admiration for Youtube grows despite it's hostility toward (classical)liberal and conservative views.  It's come a long way from cat videos... if you care to look about.

One of the more prominent independent journalists is Lauren Southern.  Here's some of her work on current events in S.A.

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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 05:20:55Copy HTML

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Alaskaone, your patience is astounding.  

It's not patience, it's arrogant ignorance. 

Of course it is.

My error with you was to respond in any other fashion than asking dumb and irrelevant questions.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 05:22:03Copy HTML

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Seriously?

Yeah. Apartheid is not colonization or invasion.

And how did the whites get there, Windies?  You think SA sprang into existence with apartheid?  That it was a wakandan paradise prior?

White are the minority in many countries Alaska - in the Caribbean, in Latin America in other countries on the continent of Africa. All these countries experienced colonization, but not Apartheid. There is a difference between colonization and Apartheid.
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 05:30:18Copy HTML

Reply to alaskaone

You can be as snide, arrogant and offensive as you want.  I know what you are and expect nothing decent from you.

Marxism will have the same result in SA as it has had everywhere else it has been done.


Enjoy the show.

Your complete refusal to look at the history of this country and suggested fixes like Windies has, that everyone share in the land ownership, including descendents whose grandparents and great grandparents had their land stolen from them 100 years ago by grandparents and great grandparents of those now holding that land, shows you really are not seeking a solution to this.  You just expect the first group mentioned above to sit down, throw up their hands, and say "Okay, I'll stop asking or even demanding that my families' land be returned, at least in part, to us, and let the outrageous taking of our land to be the law going forward.  We will give up fighting the injustice of the history of our country.
And NO, I am not condoning violence against anyone.  But at least I recognize that BOTH sides have been victims of violence.  I don't see that same recognition coming from you, AK.  It seems to me you only want to ignore one side visiting violence on the other and ignore history.
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 05:35:09Copy HTML

Reply to mudbugluv

Alaskaone, your patience is astounding.  

His refusal to recognize there are dirty hands on both sides, refusal to consider fair solutions Windies has suggested, is what is astounding.  
You may not like Windies' style, but she will not let things stand without challenge when she believes they are wrong or short-sighted.   The RWNJs on this site don't like her challenging them and get angry when she persists.  You would think they would be used to it by now.
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 05:35:55Copy HTML

Yes.  Colonization involved mass deaths from disease, displacement and occasional slaughter and genocide.  That is true regardless of the race of the colonizers.  Colonization is the shiny word for invasion.
Traditionally, the conquerors would murder all the men and older boys and keep the women and girls for wives, slaves or just for raping.

That sort of thing fell out of favor as Christianity matured.



Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 05:58:00Copy HTML

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Reply to mudbugluv

Alaskaone, your patience is astounding.  

His refusal to recognize there are dirty hands on both sides, refusal to consider fair solutions Windies has suggested, is what is astounding.  
You may not like Windies' style, but she will not let things stand without challenge when she believes they are wrong or short-sighted.   The RWNJs on this site don't like her challenging them and get angry when she persists.  You would think they would be used to it by now.

smiley47
“A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.” ― Douglas Adams
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 06:02:51Copy HTML

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Reply to alaskaone

You can be as snide, arrogant and offensive as you want.  I know what you are and expect nothing decent from you.

Marxism will have the same result in SA as it has had everywhere else it has been done.


Enjoy the show.

Your complete refusal to look at the history of this country and suggested fixes like Windies has, that everyone share in the land ownership, including descendents whose grandparents and great grandparents had their land stolen from them 100 years ago by grandparents and great grandparents of those now holding that land, shows you really are not seeking a solution to this.  You just expect the first group mentioned above to sit down, throw up their hands, and say "Okay, I'll stop asking or even demanding that my families' land be returned, at least in part, to us, and let the outrageous taking of our land to be the law going forward.  We will give up fighting the injustice of the history of our country.
And NO, I am not condoning violence against anyone.  But at least I recognize that BOTH sides have been victims of violence.  I don't see that same recognition coming from you, AK.  It seems to me you only want to ignore one side visiting violence on the other and ignore history.

You should stop projecting.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 06:37:32Copy HTML

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Reply to mudbugluv

Alaskaone, your patience is astounding.  

His refusal to recognize there are dirty hands on both sides, refusal to consider fair solutions Windies has suggested, is what is astounding.  
You may not like Windies' style, but she will not let things stand without challenge when she believes they are wrong or short-sighted.   The RWNJs on this site don't like her challenging them and get angry when she persists.  You would think they would be used to it by now.

smiley47

yes, you introduced drama by putting your $.02 in.  Sad.
What is dramatic about what I wrote?  I wrote the truth.  You merely came in here to shit on the thread.
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 06:40:09Copy HTML

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Reply to alaskaone

You can be as snide, arrogant and offensive as you want.  I know what you are and expect nothing decent from you.

Marxism will have the same result in SA as it has had everywhere else it has been done.


Enjoy the show.

Your complete refusal to look at the history of this country and suggested fixes like Windies has, that everyone share in the land ownership, including descendents whose grandparents and great grandparents had their land stolen from them 100 years ago by grandparents and great grandparents of those now holding that land, shows you really are not seeking a solution to this.  You just expect the first group mentioned above to sit down, throw up their hands, and say "Okay, I'll stop asking or even demanding that my families' land be returned, at least in part, to us, and let the outrageous taking of our land to be the law going forward.  We will give up fighting the injustice of the history of our country.
And NO, I am not condoning violence against anyone.  But at least I recognize that BOTH sides have been victims of violence.  I don't see that same recognition coming from you, AK.  It seems to me you only want to ignore one side visiting violence on the other and ignore history.

You should stop projecting.


Didn't you say the blacks who are upset about all the white land ownership should just stop?  I coulda sworn I read that here.

I have yet to see a single suggestion from you beyond that wish that those people whose land was stolen should please sit down and shut up.  

What solution do you propose?  I haven't seen you propose one beyond what I've outlined above.  Windies OTOH has suggested there's more than enough land to go around provided one person doesn't get to hang onto 7 square miles of it, which seems like a fair compromise.  Both sides get something, both sides are not fully happy.   What would you propose?
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 06:46:26Copy HTML

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Reply to mudbugluv

Alaskaone, your patience is astounding.  

It's not patience, it's arrogant ignorance. 

Of course it is.

My error with you was to respond in any other fashion than asking dumb and irrelevant questions.

No, your error was to think you can continue to discuss without facts.
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 06:50:36Copy HTML

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Reply to alaskaone

Reply to BeesKnees

Reply to alaskaone

You can be as snide, arrogant and offensive as you want.  I know what you are and expect nothing decent from you.

Marxism will have the same result in SA as it has had everywhere else it has been done.


Enjoy the show.

Your complete refusal to look at the history of this country and suggested fixes like Windies has, that everyone share in the land ownership, including descendents whose grandparents and great grandparents had their land stolen from them 100 years ago by grandparents and great grandparents of those now holding that land, shows you really are not seeking a solution to this.  You just expect the first group mentioned above to sit down, throw up their hands, and say "Okay, I'll stop asking or even demanding that my families' land be returned, at least in part, to us, and let the outrageous taking of our land to be the law going forward.  We will give up fighting the injustice of the history of our country.
And NO, I am not condoning violence against anyone.  But at least I recognize that BOTH sides have been victims of violence.  I don't see that same recognition coming from you, AK.  It seems to me you only want to ignore one side visiting violence on the other and ignore history.

You should stop projecting.


Didn't you say the blacks who are upset about all the white land ownership should just stop?  I coulda sworn I read that here.

I have yet to see a single suggestion from you beyond that wish that those people whose land was stolen should please sit down and shut up.  

What solution do you propose?  I haven't seen you propose one beyond what I've outlined above.  Windies OTOH has suggested there's more than enough land to go around provided one person doesn't get to hang onto 7 square miles of it, which seems like a fair compromise.  Both sides get something, both sides are not fully happy.   What would you propose?



you are correct Bees. His solution is that nothing should be done. The poor blacks should be able to rise up on their own weight and find a way to become as wealthy as the whites in South Africa, who i am sure he has convinced himself have done it all on their own.

Well Alaska, if it is that easy, you don't need to fear for your friends, if their land is taken away from them, it will be their turn to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and make something of themselves. You know, just like they did the last time they created their own wealth all on their own with no one to help them.


..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 07:08:00Copy HTML

 Freebird,

  Well well I see you posted a nonsense post.  You seem to think that poor people vote.  You are wrong.  Yes a few do but the majority of poor people do not pay any attention to politics.  I wish to hell they did. I hauled around those people for years on the bus and very few knew anything about politics.  They were to busy trying to survive to worry about the government and who is or will be in office.  We on the left understand that we can't afford economically to just leave all the poor behind to fend for themselves.  Humanity has a desire to survive and the poor want to survive also.  People will do what they need to do to survive.  So if you want the poor people to get nothing trust me when I say they will be in your house helping themselves in order to survive.

  I don't know about you but I do not want to go into the city and see babies with big bellies because they are starving to death.  If that makes me horrible then so be it.  I must admit that I think not caring for the people not as well off as you is a horrible human defect.

Just as the John Birchers went away so will the tea party
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 09:00:14Copy HTML

Windies,
It has been some twenty years since apartheid, an entire generation.  Black people are the majority by far, they rule the country and under their rule it has steadily fallen apart.   That is not the fault of Boers growing food.  It is the fault of the usual suspects: corruption, greed and Marxist ideology.


Slaughtering the boers, the people who feed them, confiscating the land the boers used to feed them, is a marxist level of stupidity.  Are you one of these new age morons who thinks farming is simple or easy?  What’s going to happen when all those farms are taken out of production, do you think?


Odine says the government is planning on confiscating all properties; commercial and residential.  It will then be distributed in a “fair” manner.  “Fair” will mean the usual in these circumstances;  the best will go to politicians, their cronies and relatives and, because the military is both vital and the biggest threat, military officers.


The leftovers will go to the usual groups and the slums will still be full of the same people plus any whites who managed not to be killed.


I said, Just stop, but that won’t work any more than your hope for ethnic cleansing will because the SA government is hopelessly, hilariously corrupt.


Unlike your genocidal solution, however, a just and limited government working to promote equal opportunity for all would allow “just stop” to work.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 09:08:49Copy HTML

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Windies,
It has been some twenty years since apartheid, an entire generation.  Black people are the majority by far, they rule the country and under their rule it has steadily fallen apart.   That is not the fault of Boers growing food.  It is the fault of the usual suspects: corruption, greed and Marxist ideology.


Slaughtering the boers, the people who feed them, confiscating the land the boers used to feed them, is a marxist level of stupidity.  Are you one of these new age morons who thinks farming is simple or easy?  What’s going to happen when all those farms are taken out of production, do you think?


Odine says the government is planning on confiscating all properties; commercial and residential.  It will then be distributed in a “fair” manner.  “Fair” will mean the usual in these circumstances;  the best will go to politicians, their cronies and relatives and, because the military is both vital and the biggest threat, military officers.


The leftovers will go to the usual groups and the slums will still be full of the same people plus any whites who managed not to be killed.


I said, Just stop, but that won’t work any more than your hope for ethnic cleansing will because the SA government is hopelessly, hilariously corrupt.


Unlike your genocidal solution, however, a just and limited government working to promote equal opportunity for all would allow “just stop” to work.

Alaska, if you think that in 20 years a government can turn around hundreds of years of oppression, racism and discrimination, you don't have to worry about your friends. It should be easy for them to turn things around if they lose their farm. They have been the recipients of a racist system. They have been educated, they have wealth, they have had no obstruction in their way, they will be fine. they have more available to them than black people in SA to make a living.
Now if farming is not easy, how did your friends do it? What natural skills do that have that blacks do not have? you must think that whites can do something with the things given to them that blacks cannot. 

Now you keep talking about genocide and ethnic cleansing as it if is the same thing as land re-distribution. Are you equating people with land? Why would you do that?


..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 09:27:09Copy HTML

They don’t have a farm, they have a small house.  They aren’t wealthy because whites are locked out of the job market, Deon has had to go to other countries to work.  They returned to SA a couple years ago for a job offer... the same he just lost to comply with quotas.
None of that will appease your hatred and blood lust, I know, but don’t despair, slaughter and famine are on the horizon.  That’s what you want, that’s why you refuse to acknowledge what the consequences of what’s happening are going to be.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 09:29:16Copy HTML

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They don’t have a farm, they have a small house.  They aren’t wealthy because whites are locked out of the job market, Deon has had to go to other countries to work.  They returned to SA a couple years ago for a job offer... the same he just lost to comply with quotas.
None of that will appease your hatred and blood lust, I know, but don’t despair, slaughter and famine are on the horizon.  That’s what you want, that’s why you refuse to acknowledge what the consequences of what’s happening are going to be.

Alaska, how could whites be locked out of the job market when unemployment among whites is 8%. Shouldn't the unemployment rate be higher? 
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 09:58:21Copy HTML

We’ve been over that.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 10:10:47Copy HTML

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We’ve been over that.

I don't think we have. 
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 10:23:51Copy HTML

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Reply to alaskaone

You can be as snide, arrogant and offensive as you want.  I know what you are and expect nothing decent from you.

Marxism will have the same result in SA as it has had everywhere else it has been done.


Enjoy the show.

What system allowed land to be taken away from people and given in large amounts to others? Was that capitalism?

you might look up "Reconstruction"-----  and I'm sure there was equally pleasant "redistribution" in Trinidad.
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 10:25:05Copy HTML

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Reply to alaskaone

You can be as snide, arrogant and offensive as you want.  I know what you are and expect nothing decent from you.

Marxism will have the same result in SA as it has had everywhere else it has been done.


Enjoy the show.

What system allowed land to be taken away from people and given in large amounts to others? Was that capitalism?

you might look up "Reconstruction"-----  and I'm sure there was equally pleasant "redistribution" in Trinidad.

Tell me more Segovia. I'm always ready to learn something new.
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 10:49:39Copy HTML

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They don’t have a farm, they have a small house.  They aren’t wealthy because whites are locked out of the job market, Deon has had to go to other countries to work.  They returned to SA a couple years ago for a job offer... the same he just lost to comply with quotas.
None of that will appease your hatred and blood lust, I know, but don’t despair, slaughter and famine are on the horizon.  That’s what you want, that’s why you refuse to acknowledge what the consequences of what’s happening are going to be.

Stop projecting.  That's not at all what she said she wants.
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 10:49:50Copy HTML

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Reply to alaskaone

We’ve been over that.

I don't think we have. 

Then you haven’t been listening so why should I bother?

A government that classifies torture, rape and murder “robberies gone wrong” will have no qualms massaging employment stats.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 10:51:03Copy HTML

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Windies,
It has been some twenty years since apartheid, an entire generation.  Black people are the majority by far, they rule the country and under their rule it has steadily fallen apart.   That is not the fault of Boers growing food.  It is the fault of the usual suspects: corruption, greed and Marxist ideology.


Slaughtering the boers, the people who feed them, confiscating the land the boers used to feed them, is a marxist level of stupidity.  Are you one of these new age morons who thinks farming is simple or easy?  What’s going to happen when all those farms are taken out of production, do you think?


Odine says the government is planning on confiscating all properties; commercial and residential.  It will then be distributed in a “fair” manner.  “Fair” will mean the usual in these circumstances;  the best will go to politicians, their cronies and relatives and, because the military is both vital and the biggest threat, military officers.


The leftovers will go to the usual groups and the slums will still be full of the same people plus any whites who managed not to be killed.


I said, Just stop, but that won’t work any more than your hope for ethnic cleansing will because the SA government is hopelessly, hilariously corrupt.


Unlike your genocidal solution, however, a just and limited government working to promote equal opportunity for all would allow “just stop” to work.


Windies' genocidal solution?  Stop projecting or post anywhere where she advocates a genocidal solution.

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We’ve been over that.

I don't think we have. 

Then you haven’t been listening so why should I bother?

A government that classifies torture, rape and murder “robberies gone wrong” will have no qualms massaging employment stats.

So what do you think the unemployment rate is for whites Alaska. It can't be that your friend is unemployed and that means that unemployment is high for whites in SA.
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I will ask.  
They’re sleeping now.
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The government - I have no idea, do they not work through the reserve bank? Oh those people with the 8% whites living in poverty Deon's brother and Michelle his niece live in separate areas in what we call squatters houses - no electricity, no water, no toilet living off donations. His brother a qualified mine blaster is now a car guard. He has to pay the "company" who runs the mall to work there and after that he can keep the tips people give him. Which is not much - most of the time not even enough to buy food for the family. Michelle lives with her 2 boys who both dropped out of school.The eldest because he wanted to help his mom and now working for below min wage and the youngest now 15 joining him as he could not afford transport to school anymore. It really is sad that people disbelieve things because it pushes them out of their comfort zone. Today they had land crab attemps in Johannesburg = seems like a weekend thing for them.
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Me:  What I’m trying to figure out is how to get money to you quickly and reliably should the shit hit the fan.  Even if it’s only possible via a bank in a bordering country, at least you would have something to run to in addition to running from.

Maybe a preloaded debit card?  Got to be something....


I was thinking cross border to Namibia, we don't need visas and then hop from there... I need to go check out their sites for banks. We can also drive the cars over with some clothes and stuff and then just eventually dump them there....


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At the rate they are going now yes it is very possible. For every person killed in a street we place ribbons around the trees in the areas, as we were banned from placing crosses - in my moms neighberhood were old people are there is not a single street without it. in their street 2 houses has been attacked and killed. One a old woman returning home from a cancer opp and her hubby. The other a woman tending to her garden, they bashed her skull with a rock. My moms neighbour has been hijacked from his grage= so yes i think that can really be true.
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I agree it is corruption greed, the abuse of power by the lack of having it in the modern world and I will add revenge. None of it works for SA and that includes non whites that have no power either.
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Yes.  That’s why the solution begins with, ‘just stop’.
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