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alaskaone
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Date Posted:09-03-2018 11:43:09Copy HTML

I've been friends with a woman in South Africa since the 1980's so I kind of pay attention to what goes on there.  Her description of S.A. since the end of apartheid differs significantly from the media's depiction which shouldn't surprise anyone, really.

If you haven't heard, last week the government of south africa kicked the Boers off of their land.  The Boers are still being held responsible for any mortgage notes on the land that they no longer own but most of them have said, fuck off.

Generally speaking, when something like this happens, you can start the clock on the famine and genocide.  My friend isn't a farmer but she and her husband have faced relentless abuse and discrimination since the end of apartheid.  They left the country several times because her husband could not get a job because he's white.  They own, for the moment, a house so they returned from Tanzania because they got tired of malaria and they'd hoped things had settled down in S.A. during their absence.

It hasn't.

UPDATE: White South Africans face genocide...

Their eldest daughter got a job as an au pair in North Carolina, she arrives the end of this month so she's safe for a while.  The rest of them are stuck in S.A.  One of the reasons behind my sudden interest in cryptocurrency is the possibility it offers for me to get them money fast hopefully without governmental interference. 

US history in regard to refugees of genocide is spotty, at best, so getting them out of there seems hopeless.  Given that almost no mainstream media coverage of this is happening, it seems unlikely to me that unka sam will give the same warn welcome he's been giving to somalis or syrians and I doubt any of the EU will, either.  Maybe the Dutch but I doubt it.

There has been coverage of the events in S.A.  It's come from independent journalists on Youtube and my admiration for Youtube grows despite it's hostility toward (classical)liberal and conservative views.  It's come a long way from cat videos... if you care to look about.

One of the more prominent independent journalists is Lauren Southern.  Here's some of her work on current events in S.A.

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Segovia_del_Prado Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #31
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:10-03-2018 01:47:36Copy HTML

 How, d'ya like the coffee, AK?   Liberals are the epitome of the fascists they say they abhor.  I suggest we encourage CA seceding, good f'n riddance, and build the wall around them. 

“The truth is like a lion, you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose, it will defend itself.” St. Augustine
Windies Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #32
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:10-03-2018 04:42:55Copy HTML

Reply to alaskaone

My friends are not yet in immediate mortal danger but it's not far off.  If the government can get away with confiscation of entire farms and ranches, confiscating houses will be no big stretch.

Then they will be homeless with nowhere to go but the camps and no way to contact me.

Some of the leftwingers here are laughing in glee at their plight, and the plights of the farmers, holding them responsible for things they had no part of long ago.  Centuries ago.  It shouldn't surprise me, the lunatic left holds me responsible for things that happened centuries ago.

This thread and the thread about lost boys has finally convinced me the left wing is far worse than I ever imagined.  I have to thank you folks for opening my eyes regarding your true nature.

As loathsome as I found mickeyrat's online persona, I truly believed he was just some sad, lost boy mouthing off things he didn't really believe secure in the basement of his mommy's house.  I thought similar of most of you, that you were probably decent enough folk in real life.

I didn't believe your online personas were accurate reflections of you as individuals. 

I was wrong.

Alaska, if 100 years from now a Jewish family can prove that the ancestors of a German family stole wealth and property from their ancestors, do they have a right to fight them for what was stolen from them? How do you feel that a lot of Holocaust survivors now live in poverty because their stolen property was not returned to them, by many properties, after the war?

What is happening now in SA is a result of the years of structural and systematic discrimination and racism. A few years ago these same people would have said nothing to be on the receiving end of wealth they received from discrimination, and would not care if their wealth and property adversely affected people who property was stolen from.

I'm sorry, but no one is left unscathed in systems like these. 

you can start the clock on the famine and genocide. 

You do know that famine and genocide has always been a part of South African life right. To be honest, people like your friends would not have been affected. But maybe this is a case of what happens when people turn they eyes away from injustice, at some point injustice comes to them. 

How old are your friends and have you ever had a conversation about people like Steven Biko? Ruth First? The Sharpeville Massacre?


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jackie_rn Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #33
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:10-03-2018 05:26:49Copy HTML

 Coincidentally this post is currently on Daily Kos; provides a peek into a country (SA) that the author seems to feel is being ruined by corporate takeover, combined with tribal conflict and continuing voluntary race and class conflict. 

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Aprildaze Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #34
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:10-03-2018 05:56:31Copy HTML



I agree with your assessment of Mickey, Alaska.  He is vile.  I don't believe I've ever known someone with so vicious a personality.  All the libs seem to gain some kind of sick pleasure at others' expense. 
If trouble is not there they manufacturing it.




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Segovia_del_Prado Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #35
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:10-03-2018 06:04:23Copy HTML

Reply to Windies

Reply to alaskaone

My friends are not yet in immediate mortal danger but it's not far off.  If the government can get away with confiscation of entire farms and ranches, confiscating houses will be no big stretch.

Then they will be homeless with nowhere to go but the camps and no way to contact me.

Some of the leftwingers here are laughing in glee at their plight, and the plights of the farmers, holding them responsible for things they had no part of long ago.  Centuries ago.  It shouldn't surprise me, the lunatic left holds me responsible for things that happened centuries ago.

This thread and the thread about lost boys has finally convinced me the left wing is far worse than I ever imagined.  I have to thank you folks for opening my eyes regarding your true nature.

As loathsome as I found mickeyrat's online persona, I truly believed he was just some sad, lost boy mouthing off things he didn't really believe secure in the basement of his mommy's house.  I thought similar of most of you, that you were probably decent enough folk in real life.

I didn't believe your online personas were accurate reflections of you as individuals. 

I was wrong.

Alaska, if 100 years from now a Jewish family can prove that the ancestors of a German family stole wealth and property from their ancestors, do they have a right to fight them for what was stolen from them? How do you feel that a lot of Holocaust survivors now live in poverty because their stolen property was not returned to them, by many properties, after the war?

What is happening now in SA is a result of the years of structural and systematic discrimination and racism. A few years ago these same people would have said nothing to be on the receiving end of wealth they received from discrimination, and would not care if their wealth and property adversely affected people who property was stolen from.

I'm sorry, but no one is left unscathed in systems like these. 

you can start the clock on the famine and genocide. 

You do know that famine and genocide has always been a part of South African life right. To be honest, people like your friends would not have been affected. But maybe this is a case of what happens when people turn they eyes away from injustice, at some point injustice comes to them. 

How old are your friends and have you ever had a conversation about people like Steven Biko? Ruth First? The Sharpeville Massacre?



do you think that the European peoples from all over the world interceded in S. Africa on behalf of the revolutionaries just so the tables could be turned and the descendants of the original Boar and English settlers could be made the victims?  Do you think the indigenous people of S. Africa would have been SO much better off if Europeans had never set foot on the Dark Continent?  Do you think those of African descent are so much worse off for all these centuries of contact with the white man?  Really?
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Segovia_del_Prado Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #36
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:10-03-2018 06:21:33Copy HTML

Reply to jackie_rn

 Coincidentally this post is currently on Daily Kos; provides a peek into a country (SA) that the author seems to feel is being ruined by corporate takeover, combined with tribal conflict and continuing voluntary race and class conflict. 


very good article; it will stick in my mind a long time, I think.
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mickeyrat Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #37
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:10-03-2018 06:55:29Copy HTML

 Some of the leftwingers here are laughing in glee at their plight, and the plights of the farmers, holding them responsible for things they had no part of long ago.  Centuries ago.  It shouldn't surprise me, the lunatic left holds me responsible for things that happened centuries ago.

So, in your mind there is a statute of limitations on genocide? Mr. Eichmann would have appreciated you as his lawyer.

And nobody is laughing at their plight. Do you think that recitation of historical FACT equates to "laughing at their plight".

And YES, Alaska, fuck I'm tired of this shit, they ARE responsible. They chose to inherit land that was stolen by their ancestors. Is it not a crime to receive property you KNOW to be stolen? These people had no problem with apartheid when it served their purpose, and I expect, Alaska, you had no problem with apartheid either, but now that the shoes on the other foot, everyone is supposed to weep and gnash their teeth at the plight of your friends?

No, sorry, you need to get it straight. I don't want your friends to get hurt and neither I nor anyone else EVER intimated that we would happy to see your friends hurt, that's just you being an asshole. But I'll be damned if you or anyone else get to tell me I should accept as BAD the rectification of hundreds of years of theft, slavery and genocide meted out to South Africans by whites. It's just not going to happen, and if you think that saying just desserts mean that their stolen gains will be.

You reap what you sow, Alaska. The seeds of today's trouble were sown hundreds of years ago. When you sow thistles, don't expect roses to grow.

Oh, and the same applies to our own historical issues as well.  You people act like the pittance you have provided in restitution in things like affirmative action somehow wipes out in your mind the three hundred years during which the labor of the black man produced profits for ALL of white America, past AND present. Nuh uh. Doesn't work like that.

~Oh, I wish it would rain.~ --The Temptations
Windies Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #38
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:10-03-2018 06:58:32Copy HTML

Reply to Segovia_del_Prado

Reply to Windies

Reply to alaskaone

You do know that famine and genocide has always been a part of South African life right. To be honest, people like your friends would not have been affected. But maybe this is a case of what happens when people turn they eyes away from injustice, at some point injustice comes to them. 

How old are your friends and have you ever had a conversation about people like Steven Biko? Ruth First? The Sharpeville Massacre?



do you think that the European peoples from all over the world interceded in S. Africa on behalf of the revolutionaries just so the tables could be turned and the descendants of the original Boar and English settlers could be made the victims?  Do you think the indigenous people of S. Africa would have been SO much better off if Europeans had never set foot on the Dark Continent?  Do you think those of African descent are so much worse off for all these centuries of contact with the white man?  Really?

maybe the world should have interceded sooner before dysfunction became cultural and systemic. Would they have been better? Maybe if the aim of the Europeans were to help instead of hurt, that's a possibility, but there is no way to know now is there? 
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
Segovia_del_Prado Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #39
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:10-03-2018 07:05:30Copy HTML

 it's my firm belief that more harm is done by those claiming to "help" than by all the exploiters and colonials.
“The truth is like a lion, you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose, it will defend itself.” St. Augustine
Windies Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #40
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:10-03-2018 07:57:04Copy HTML

Reply to Segovia_del_Prado

 it's my firm belief that more harm is done by those claiming to "help" than by all the exploiters and colonials.

And your firm belief is guided by ignorance and prejudice and therefore not worth anything 
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
Segovia_del_Prado Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #41
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:10-03-2018 08:19:54Copy HTML

 right-------------notwithstanding the vast regions of Africa that were virtual cornucopias, the "breadbasket for Europe" are  now returned to native rule and starving, unable to feed themselves and dependent on foreign aid for survival. 
“The truth is like a lion, you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose, it will defend itself.” St. Augustine
jackie_rn Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #42
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:10-03-2018 08:53:41Copy HTML

 Europeans went to Africa for the same reasons they went (and still do) anywhere else on the globe.  To subjugate the native peoples and appropriate their wealth.  

Do I think that the continent of Africa would have been better off without European invasion and colonization?  Of course...just as North America, South America, Hawaii, the Caribbean islands, name it.  But it was done, and now we're left to deal with what is.  What is, is a mess. 
Kim Jong Un “speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same...” Donald J. Trump, 6/15/2018
mickeyrat Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #43
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:10-03-2018 09:24:19Copy HTML

 Do you think the indigenous people of S. Africa would have been SO much better off if Europeans had never set foot on the Dark Continent?  Do you think those of African descent are so much worse off for all these centuries of contact with the white man?  Really?

uh huh, yes, I do. Are you serious with that question. What in the WORLD could make you think they were better off as a result of that contact? ALL whites have done to Africa is to basically plunder it, murder its inhabitants, enslave them, for fuck's sake, Alaska, what in the WORLD could make you think they were better off for that contact.

Please, tell me what makes them better off.  Exposure to the white man's 'culture'?

Christ in heaven I cannot believe ANYONE in possession of a rational mind would ask that question "do you think those of African descent are so much worse off..."

Of COURSE they are.

~Oh, I wish it would rain.~ --The Temptations
BeesKnees Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #44
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:10-03-2018 10:12:21Copy HTML

Reply to mickeyrat

 Do you think the indigenous people of S. Africa would have been SO much better off if Europeans had never set foot on the Dark Continent?  Do you think those of African descent are so much worse off for all these centuries of contact with the white man?  Really?

uh huh, yes, I do. Are you serious with that question. What in the WORLD could make you think they were better off as a result of that contact? ALL whites have done to Africa is to basically plunder it, murder its inhabitants, enslave them, for fuck's sake, Alaska, what in the WORLD could make you think they were better off for that contact.

Please, tell me what makes them better off.  Exposure to the white man's 'culture'?

Christ in heaven I cannot believe ANYONE in possession of a rational mind would ask that question "do you think those of African descent are so much worse off..."

Of COURSE they are.


I've heard this assertion expressed by several people on the right, including that having been kidnapped and brought to the U.S. to be a slave afforded those so ended up being a slave and that slave's descendents a much better life.
It always amazes me, especially in a country where charting your own course and being independent is so valued, to hear that white folks provided black folks with something they would never have developed for themselves.    In the case of South Africa, saying that having been colonized by a foreign power, who came and took all the valuable land and all the valuable resources by force, and concluding that surely they were better off for it, assumes Africans were unable or unwilling to chart their own course.   The white invaders were needed to show them the way.

I can't believe people actually believe what they say, and that they have the balls to admit and profess their beliefs.  Their hearts are as black as coal.
jackie_rn Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:10-03-2018 10:45:34Copy HTML

 It feels like we're being talked to by Steve Bannon, currently in France telling the White Nationalists (Nazis led by Le Pen) to wear the racist badge proudly.
Kim Jong Un “speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same...” Donald J. Trump, 6/15/2018
jackie_rn Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #46
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:10-03-2018 10:48:41Copy HTML

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/steve-bannon-call-racist-wear-badge-honor/story?id=53656814

Steve Bannon: 'Let them call you racist ... Wear it as a badge of honor'

Kim Jong Un “speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same...” Donald J. Trump, 6/15/2018
Windies Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #47
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:10-03-2018 11:19:34Copy HTML

Reply to Segovia_del_Prado

 right-------------notwithstanding the vast regions of Africa that were virtual cornucopias, the "breadbasket for Europe" are  now returned to native rule and starving, unable to feed themselves and dependent on foreign aid for survival. 

How did regions of Africa become the breadbasket for Europe and blacks in Africa were starving? Oh I forgot.....because the Europeans were helping Africa.
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
jackie_rn Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #48
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:11-03-2018 12:18:05Copy HTML

 I knew nothing of the land expropriation prior to Alaska's OP.   Found a website that appears to be a S. African news site with much more information on the legislative action being taken apparently to re-distribute.  I hope it works out to the benefit of all, but these things rarely do by history no matter where it's undertaken.  A lot of competing factions squabbling over it.  Lots of worst-case scenarios are possible.

One factoid in this reading is rather shocking, and gives a clue as to why they're going in this direction.  Decades after the end of apartheid a land audit  revealed that 76% of land  in SA is white-owned, and just 4% black.  

https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/national/2018-02-27-parliament-adopts-effs-land-claims-motion-but-anc-seeks-amendments/
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Segovia_del_Prado Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #49
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:11-03-2018 12:18:46Copy HTML

 I have some news for you bleedin' whiners.  Africans were killing each other, and selling each other into slavery before the Stanley and Livingston ever ventured into the jungle.  White Europeans were not going into the tribal lands capturing slaves, they were going to the slave markets on the Ivory coast and buying them from other Africans and from muslim traders.  I'm so sick of you morons pushing your 'reparations' bullshit.  All you descendants of slaves------ you would most likely never have been born were your ancestor not brought to the new world. Check the population numbers.  Human history has been a fuckin' rocky road, regardless what colour you are or where the hell you came from.  

Get the fuck over it. 
“The truth is like a lion, you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose, it will defend itself.” St. Augustine
jackie_rn Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #50
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:11-03-2018 12:26:13Copy HTML

 Great argument there Seg:  " You wouldn't be here to discuss this if your ancestors hadn't been enslaved.  Where's the gratitude, huh?"  
Kim Jong Un “speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same...” Donald J. Trump, 6/15/2018
Segovia_del_Prado Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #51
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:11-03-2018 12:27:35Copy HTML

 the ones who were sold east instead of west HAVE no descendants.
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the49cfr Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #52
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:11-03-2018 12:38:25Copy HTML

"I'm so sick of you morons pushing your 'reparations' bullshit."

Not one person here has every picked cotton...or personally know anyone that picked cotton, or worked a mine covered and breathing in coal dust, or worked a sweat shop for cents a day. 

There is no single group...including white Americans, that are responsible for slavery, as much as you want to blame them. 

These "reparation" crying malcontents need to take personal responsibility for themselves and quit blaming others. 
The world is a magical place full of people waiting to be offended by something.
partoftheproblem Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #53
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:11-03-2018 12:45:09Copy HTML

If white Americans weren't responsible for slavery, who was?
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Windies Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #54
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:11-03-2018 01:02:42Copy HTML

Reply to Segovia_del_Prado

 I have some news for you bleedin' whiners.  Africans were killing each other, and selling each other into slavery before the Stanley and Livingston ever ventured into the jungle.  White Europeans were not going into the tribal lands capturing slaves, they were going to the slave markets on the Ivory coast and buying them from other Africans and from muslim traders.  I'm so sick of you morons pushing your 'reparations' bullshit.  All you descendants of slaves------ you would most likely never have been born were your ancestor not brought to the new world. Check the population numbers.  Human history has been a fuckin' rocky road, regardless what colour you are or where the hell you came from.  

Get the fuck over it. 

Was it better that Europeans did not capture, but only bought slaves?
The rest of your post is just racist nonsense and not worth examining.
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:11-03-2018 01:30:07Copy HTML

But buying and selling already captured humans was just doing business.  Capitalism!  Hey, where there's a market....   Reluctant as I am to say it, Seg has a point that historically there is no race of people that has not engaged in slavery.  What people like her will never admit though, is that there was never any excuse or justification for it.  But they're still trying to justify, aren't they?    
Kim Jong Un “speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same...” Donald J. Trump, 6/15/2018
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:11-03-2018 01:45:30Copy HTML



Life, unless you are very rich AND if you have no health problems, is tough.  We make the most of it we can.  We don't complain.  We don't envy.  We take what is given to us and strive to do our best.  That is for ourselves.  Each of us.  No matter what we are born into.  Whether a slave, a cripple, a poor man, a paraplegic.  A bleeding heart is nothing if not for works.  And I don't think there are many works among those who bleed for others on this board.


If you permit yourself to become too open-minded, your brains could fall out.
jackie_rn Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #57
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:11-03-2018 02:03:03Copy HTML

 Tell us about your works April.  
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Segovia_del_Prado Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #58
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:11-03-2018 03:32:23Copy HTML

 I've traced my family history back four hundred years.  It includes both kings and slaves.  I would wager most would find the same.
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Windies Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #59
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:11-03-2018 04:09:53Copy HTML

Reply to Segovia_del_Prado

 I've traced my family history back four hundred years.  It includes both kings and slaves.  I would wager most would find the same.

What exactly is this supposed to prove?
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
TITANPANTHER1 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #60
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:11-03-2018 05:20:48Copy HTML

And YES, Alaska, fuck I'm tired of this shit, they ARE responsible. They chose to inherit land that was stolen by their ancestors. Is it not a crime to receive property you KNOW to be stolen? These people had no problem with apartheid when it served their purpose, and I expect, Alaska, you had no problem with apartheid either, but now that the shoes on the other foot, everyone is supposed to weep and gnash their teeth at the plight of your friends?

Interesting question, "is it a crime to receive property you KNOW to be stolen?" Obviously the answer I believe MR is searching for would be a resounding yes and I'm sure the native inhabitants of SA would agree. Their land was taken by force of arms and stolen by conquest. And it's a valid argument for the native inhabitants to take back their land.

But that question is also pertinent for MR, not to mention the entire non-indigenous population of the US. Almost the exact same scenario, an entire continent taken by force of arms, the aims of conquest under Manifest Destiny and for the most part, the entire native population rounded up and put on some God forsaken tract of land no one else wanted (we call them reservations) most likely similar to Sharpeville, SA.

I think the tricky part is pointing fingers at the Boers, making a moral argument on behalf of the native people of SA while those making the same arguments enjoy the fruits (not to mention the crime of receiving stolen property) from their own ancestors of conquest.

I'll take a wild guess that absolutely no American in this forum (or otherwise) is going to repent their own crimes of receiving stolen property, give up their homes and return them to the native inhabitants. Obviously, sauce for the gander is for others.
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