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alaskaone
  • From:USA

Date Posted:09-03-2018 11:43:09Copy HTML

I've been friends with a woman in South Africa since the 1980's so I kind of pay attention to what goes on there.  Her description of S.A. since the end of apartheid differs significantly from the media's depiction which shouldn't surprise anyone, really.

If you haven't heard, last week the government of south africa kicked the Boers off of their land.  The Boers are still being held responsible for any mortgage notes on the land that they no longer own but most of them have said, fuck off.

Generally speaking, when something like this happens, you can start the clock on the famine and genocide.  My friend isn't a farmer but she and her husband have faced relentless abuse and discrimination since the end of apartheid.  They left the country several times because her husband could not get a job because he's white.  They own, for the moment, a house so they returned from Tanzania because they got tired of malaria and they'd hoped things had settled down in S.A. during their absence.

It hasn't.

UPDATE: White South Africans face genocide...

Their eldest daughter got a job as an au pair in North Carolina, she arrives the end of this month so she's safe for a while.  The rest of them are stuck in S.A.  One of the reasons behind my sudden interest in cryptocurrency is the possibility it offers for me to get them money fast hopefully without governmental interference. 

US history in regard to refugees of genocide is spotty, at best, so getting them out of there seems hopeless.  Given that almost no mainstream media coverage of this is happening, it seems unlikely to me that unka sam will give the same warn welcome he's been giving to somalis or syrians and I doubt any of the EU will, either.  Maybe the Dutch but I doubt it.

There has been coverage of the events in S.A.  It's come from independent journalists on Youtube and my admiration for Youtube grows despite it's hostility toward (classical)liberal and conservative views.  It's come a long way from cat videos... if you care to look about.

One of the more prominent independent journalists is Lauren Southern.  Here's some of her work on current events in S.A.

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Aprildaze Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #61
  • From:USA

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:11-03-2018 12:26:16Copy HTML



But what was South Africa before whites came?  



If you permit yourself to become too open-minded, your brains could fall out.
alaskaone Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #62
  • From:USA

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:11-03-2018 02:18:46Copy HTML

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #63
  • From:Argentina

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:11-03-2018 02:27:20Copy HTML

I haven't seen anyone try to justify enslavement of anyone else, Jackie.

That is a projection on your part.

Fact is, it is part of the history of civilization.
Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
mickeyrat Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #64
  • From:USA

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:11-03-2018 04:16:19Copy HTML

For many on this board, yes, TP, I think you are right. However, for mickey, no, because my own heritage as a PR includes Amerindian ancestry from PR itself. I am, *sigh* yet another victim of the evil white man.

That said, taking responsibility today for the deeds of the past doesn't necessarily mean disgorging the ill-gotten gains. If the white population of SA had at least tried to recompense the native tribes for their losses, then that might have prevented the hatred from bottling up and being demonstrated as it is today.

In America's case, it's reasonable as well to say that we dispossessed the American Indian and can and should do much better by them. Rates of alcoholism are through the roof, many lead lives of poverty and despair. On the other hand these days they're making so much money off their casinos that, like the pro athlete salaries salaries' today, derived from those taking pleasure in football games, well, the Indian casinos as well represent a form of wealth distribution that is sadly needed in this country.

 That is one reason why even though I feel no pro-athlete deserves millions for throwing a ball, I am perfectly fine with it because it does transfer wealth from corporate white guys to minorities. I'd have been happier if minorities would put more of those dollars back into their own community, rather than spending it jetsetting to white capitals around the world and purchasing luxury items from white-owned stores, they should be looking to spend 50% or more of their salaries helping to build their own communities simply by purchasing goods and services from those communities.


~Oh, I wish it would rain.~ --The Temptations
mickeyrat Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #65
  • From:USA

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:11-03-2018 04:21:11Copy HTML

 I haven't seen anyone try to justify enslavement of anyone else, Jackie.

That's only because you're not looking. Clearly the goal in mentioning that African tribes enslaved members of other tribes and then sold them is intended to suggest that the taint of enslavement isn't applicable to whites since the blacks enslaved them first. So too is the claim, "well, everyone has slaves in their ancestors", with the unspoken conclusion being "so nobody has any reason to complain if one of their ancestors was enslaved, and, since it happens to all, there's nothing really wrong with it.

Fact is, it is part of the history of civilization.

So too is genocide, skrumpie. Is that alright with you as well?
~Oh, I wish it would rain.~ --The Temptations
jackie_rn Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #66
  • From:USA

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:11-03-2018 04:30:02Copy HTML

 The wonder is that needs explaining to anyone.

I also like the suggestion that liberals are insincere in their compassion or empathy for the oppressed because they've never picked cotton or labored in mines or done good "works".  
Kim Jong Un “speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same...” Donald J. Trump, 6/15/2018
mickeyrat Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #67
  • From:USA

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:11-03-2018 04:32:51Copy HTML

 Second, I would like to remind folks that forms of slavery differ, so saying, "well, my ancestor was a slave in Rome" doesn't say anything about the inheritors of black slavery in America. I've talked about this before, but, the usual suspects have short, or convenient, memories, so it bears repetition.

Slavery is the United States was its own peculiar institution: its own horrid evil, but often Americans write as if slavery in the ancient world is equivalent to the American slave disaster that ended in a Civil War. This obscures important differences between the two that has the effect of making America’s original sin seem better than it was.

Christendom has agreed on many things and traditional Christians can unite on those issues (as Catholic, Orthodox, and traditional Protestants do), but American race slavery was never one of them not even in the United States. 

American slavery has as many dissimilarities to ancient slavery as similarities. Nobody in the modern world should be slave and wherever Christianity has gone slavery has died out,  but American slavery was a uniquely toxic and unacceptable form of slavery.

The reason is simple. For a Christian to justify or even make money off slavery, then ancient slavery had to evolve or it would naturally die. Ancient slavery was economic or military and the more rights a slave gained, since everyone knew a slave was human, the tougher things were for the master. Any person if they became poor enough or if their nation lost a war might become a slave. As a result, a slave owner realized that his or her slave might be superior in every possible way to the master.

Ancient slaves were human beings and some ancient cultures gave them rights.* A man or woman who was a slave was not “inferior” by nature, but unfortunate. Given how little wealth existed in the ancient world compared to the modern, the lifestyle and liberty of urban slaves could be superior to that of a “free” barbarian. Slaves were often better educated. More than one Greek slave taught future Roman senators Greek culture.

Slavery was a morally bad solution to economic problems, but in some cases it was arguably better than the plausible or immediate alternatives. Philosophers worried about slavery and though Aristotle would defend slavery as needed to care for certain humans that had a “slave mentality” this actually undercut the morality of keeping most human beings as slaves.

Judaism and Christianity reinforced the widespread idea that the economic slave was human. If a slave was a Christian, he or she must be treated as a brother or sister. This made the economic value of slavery very questionable in a Christian household. Other economic relationships supplanted slavery all over the ancient world as philosophy and Christianity spread. Some of those were imperfect, but still an improvement, such as being a serf.

Against all this tradition, in the radical Enlightenment spirit of those who defy the Faith, Americans did an evil thing: helped create a new even less justifiable form of slavery. It was parochial and really incomprehensible to outside observers.

American slavery in order to survive in Christendom depended on racism. American slavery was race based. Racism is not condemned in the Bible, because a strong differentiation between “races” was not common in the ancient world. “People groups” could contain (and sometimes did) more than one race. But now Americans and certain other Europeans outdid the ancients in evil: Certain races could be morally enslaved, because as a group they were “natural slaves.” European races were natural rulers based on racial differences.

We were not acting like the ancients, but acting worse than the ancients by reviving slavery, but this time a slavery totally based on “who a person was” and not on economic status.

Against the historic and global experience of interracial marriage, the United States of America (and some other European groups) would ban “race mixing,” because it would dilute the power and purity of the “white race.”  A freed slave in the ancient world was simply a freeman, but a free African-American in parts of the American South became a practical impossibility.


I would note that the above is also part of the reason why I am so hostile to the SBC, which developed and propagated a theology justifying slavery based on religion, and which is itself a derivation of that same Protestantism regarding predestination and god's elect that I believe lies at the root core of the corruption of white America.
~Oh, I wish it would rain.~ --The Temptations
alaskaone Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #68
  • From:USA

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:12-03-2018 03:19:08Copy HTML

I've decided to give you fuckers a front row seat.  This from my friends in S.A. this morning.

"They started this weekend with the suburb next to ours, so we had some helicopters overhead and cops all over the place.  The open land they wanted to take is between houses, marked for development.  Their latest plan is that there will be no home owners, everything will belong to the state but then you still need to pay your bond to the state.

One of my friends uncle and aunt were attacked on Sunday on their farm.  Fortunately, they survived but it leaves a very bitter taste in your mouth.  They recon we are at least one farmer farmer killed each day now.  

And so it begins."

I asked them if they have any firearms.  Personal weapons are pretty much forbidden in S.A. so, of course, mostly criminals have them and a few brave folks willing to obtain a black market weapon.  She replied,

"If you shoot them you get jailed.  An intruder cannot be shot unless you can prove that your life was threatened according to our new laws.  Thus you need them to physically harm you before you can shoot them.

"We have bob wire around the 2 meter fence, electrified, two dogs (1 in a pitbull), 24 hour armed response private security with panic buttons and security bars on every window and door that can open.  Also motion sensors for movement on the fence.  We don't have big property."

None of that will help them against government troops, of course.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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  • From:USA

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:12-03-2018 03:30:29Copy HTML

Reply to alaskaone

I've decided to give you fuckers a front row seat.  This from my friends in S.A. mornning

"They started this weekend with the suburb next to ours, so we had some helicopters overhead and cops all over the place.  The open land they wanted to take is between houses, marked for development.  Their latest plan is that there will be no home owners, everything will belong to the state but then you still need to pay your bond to the state.

One of my friends uncle and aunt were attacked on Sunday on their farm.  Fortunately, they survived but it leaves a very bitter taste in your mouth.  They recon we are at least one farmer farmer killed each day now.  

And so it begins."

This began years ago Alaska. When did you become interested in what happens in SA? you say you have been friends with these people since the 80's. Were you interested in SA affairs then?
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
Segovia_del_Prado Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #70
  • From:USA

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:12-03-2018 03:48:20Copy HTML

 so,  whites have no right to their homes or lives built in S. Africa,  and YOU bitch, have no right to be here~~~~ 


see how that works....  Would you enjoy your neighbors, aided by the government beating down your door, dragging you out by the hair, with you children, raping and then killing all of you???????????  Be f'n careful what you justify.
“The truth is like a lion, you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose, it will defend itself.” St. Augustine
alaskaone Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #71
  • From:USA

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:12-03-2018 03:52:15Copy HTML

Reply to Windies

Reply to alaskaone

I've decided to give you fuckers a front row seat.  This from my friends in S.A. mornning

"They started this weekend with the suburb next to ours, so we had some helicopters overhead and cops all over the place.  The open land they wanted to take is between houses, marked for development.  Their latest plan is that there will be no home owners, everything will belong to the state but then you still need to pay your bond to the state.

One of my friends uncle and aunt were attacked on Sunday on their farm.  Fortunately, they survived but it leaves a very bitter taste in your mouth.  They recon we are at least one farmer killed each day now.  

And so it begins."

This began years ago Alaska. When did you become interested in what happens in SA? you say you have been friends with these people since the 80's. Were you interested in SA affairs then?

Obviously.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
TITANPANTHER1 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #72
  • From:USA

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:12-03-2018 03:52:46Copy HTML

And so it begins."

A statement that peaks one's curiosity. One has to wonder why the white population of SA didn't see this coming down the pike right from the get-go. Did they honestly believe that once they surrendered their military and political power to the black inhabitants all would be forgiven and the status quo of their land acquisition would remain in place?

Call me crazy but such a mindset would have to be the epitomy of optimism not to mention a willful ignorance of past history. A blind man could have seen the retribution, not to mention the redistribution of land on the horizon once the black population had the power to make it happen.

The irony of these events taking place is the white population being complicit in their own demise.
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #73
  • From:Unknown

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:12-03-2018 03:54:38Copy HTML

 
I asked them if they have any firearms.  Personal weapons are pretty much forbidden in S.A. so, of course, mostly criminals have them and a few brave folks willing to obtain a black market weapon.  She replied,

"If you shoot them you get jailed.  An intruder cannot be shot unless you can prove that your life was threatened according to our new laws.  Thus you need them to physically harm you before you can shoot them.
________________

My money is on Alaska made that email up or his friend is an idiot or both.  You can own firearms in SA just like here.  You must pass a background check and competency test.  And being able to shoot someone if your life is threatened...which you have to prove...is also the fucking same as it is here. The only difference I know of is the background check can take 90 days...the maximum allowable time. 


alaskaone Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #74
  • From:USA

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:12-03-2018 03:56:10Copy HTML

And now you fuckers will blame the victims.
As I said before, I didn’t want to believe what you fuckers are.  Thanks for opening my eyes.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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  • From:USA

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:12-03-2018 03:58:57Copy HTML

Reply to alaskaone

Reply to Windies

Reply to alaskaone

I've decided to give you fuckers a front row seat.  This from my friends in S.A. mornning

"They started this weekend with the suburb next to ours, so we had some helicopters overhead and cops all over the place.  The open land they wanted to take is between houses, marked for development.  Their latest plan is that there will be no home owners, everything will belong to the state but then you still need to pay your bond to the state.

One of my friends uncle and aunt were attacked on Sunday on their farm.  Fortunately, they survived but it leaves a very bitter taste in your mouth.  They recon we are at least one farmer killed each day now.  

And so it begins."

This began years ago Alaska. When did you become interested in what happens in SA? you say you have been friends with these people since the 80's. Were you interested in SA affairs then?

Obviously.

you couldn't possibly be interested in SA affairs before if you think it begins now. What begins now? What do you know of the Native Lands Act of 1913? How did your friends benefit from it?
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #76
  • From:Unknown

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:12-03-2018 04:02:55Copy HTML

 And now you fuckers will blame the victims.
As I said before, I didn’t want to believe what you fuckers are.  Thanks for opening my eyes.
______

Lucky for you the black families who were either killed or run off their land in 1900 don't have any "victims" to blame.
alaskaone Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #77
  • From:USA

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:12-03-2018 04:15:30Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 
I asked them if they have any firearms.  Personal weapons are pretty much forbidden in S.A. so, of course, mostly criminals have them and a few brave folks willing to obtain a black market weapon.  She replied,

"If you shoot them you get jailed.  An intruder cannot be shot unless you can prove that your life was threatened according to our new laws.  Thus you need them to physically harm you before you can shoot them.
________________

My money is on Alaska made that email up or his friend is an idiot or both.  You can own firearms in SA just like here.  You must pass a background check and competency test.  And being able to shoot someone if your life is threatened...which you have to prove...is also the fucking same as it is here. The only difference I know of is the background check can take 90 days...the maximum allowable time. 



Documented.
Did it occur to you, you evil sonofabitch, that the s.a. government denies firearms permits for whites?  
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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  • From:USA

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:12-03-2018 04:16:08Copy HTML

  as I posted before, the rate of firearm ownership by private individuals in SA is something on the order of 5/100000. and if the government thinks you may use them, they will come take those, also.    So, Chumbucket, how come a fine Brit like you landed here instead of somewhere you could do some good, like Africa?  Your no better than that Carib bitch.

The Right to Possess Firearms

In South Africa, the right to possess firearms is not guaranteed by law.  The FCA imposes a general ban on the possession of firearms except in limited circumstances, and they may be possessed only with a license, permit, or authorization issued under the provisions of the FCA.[19]

Certain firearms are categorized as prohibited firearms and cannot ordinarily be possessed or licensed under the FCA.  These include any

(a) fully automatic firearm;

(b) gun, cannon, recoilless gun, mortar, light mortar or launcher manufactured to fire a rocket, grenade, self-propelled grenade, bomb, or explosive device;

(c) frame, body, or barrel of such a fully automatic firearm, gun, cannon, recoilless gun, mortar, light mortar, or launcher;

(d) projectile or rocket manufactured to be discharged from a cannon, recoilless gun or mortar, or rocket launcher;

(e) imitation of any device contemplated in paragraph (b), (c), excluding the frame, body, or barrel of a fully automatic firearm, or (d); or

(f) [altered firearm].[20]

The FCA stipulates limited exceptions in which prohibited firearms may be licensed for private and public collections as well as for use in theatrical, film, or television productions.[21]  However, the FCA Regulations impose rigorous requirements that need to be met for the proper utilization of these exceptions.[22]

The FCA also authorizes the Minister to add any firearm to the prohibited firearms category if doing so is “in the interest of public safety or desirable for the maintenance of law and order.”[23]

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Competency Certificates, Licenses, Permits, Authorizations, and Accreditations

An application for a firearm license, permit, or authorization may be made to the Registrar of Firearms by a natural or juridical person.[24]  When the applicant is a natural person, the FCA requires that the person comply with all the necessary requirements set forth under its provisions, including providing a full set of fingerprints.[25]  Significantly, the person must possess the relevant competency certificate, which is issued, among other things, only after the successful completion of training and a test on the efficient and safe handling of a firearm by an accredited training provider or the Safety and Security Training Authority.[26]  If the applicant is a juridical person, the FCA requires that the entity be represented by a natural person who is to be identified in the license, permit, or authorization as the responsible person and who would be considered the holder of the license under the FCA.[27]

           Accreditation

The FCA requires accreditation before a license for certain activities or businesses related to firearms can be issued.[28]  These include

  • public collectors or museums;
  • hunting associations or sport-shooting organizations;
  • collectors’ associations;
  • shooting ranges;
  • those that provide training in the use of firearms;
  • those that provide firearms for use in theatrical, film, or television productions;
  • game ranchers;
  • those that run hunting businesses;
  • those that use firearms for business purposes; and
  • government institutions.[29]

The FCA provides a list of minimum mandatory criteria that the Registrar must impose when reviewing an application for accreditation.  These are

a) trustworthiness and integrity;

b) suitability to perform the relevant functions in terms of the Act;

c) capacity to serve the purpose of the accreditation; and

d) capacity to advance the purposes of the Act.[30]

The FCA authorizes the Minister to issue additional criteria applicable to specific accreditations through regulations.[31]  Accordingly, the Minister has issued additional accreditation criteria for each of the above-listed specific firearms-license applications.[32]

The Registrar may cancel an accreditation in certain instances, including if the holder of an accreditation fails to comply with any applicable criterion, is no longer qualified, or violates requirements under the FCA or terms of the accreditation.[33]

           Competency Certificate

The FCA requires that an application to possess a firearm, trade in firearms, manufacture firearms, or be licensed as a gunsmith be submitted to a Firearms Officer for the area where the applicant currently maintains or will in the future maintain his or her residence or business.[34]  A first-time application for a competency certificate may be granted only if the applicant

  • is at least twenty-one years old;[35]
  • is a citizen or a permanent resident;
  • is a “fit and proper person” for the license he or she is seeking;
  • is stable and does not have a proclivity for violence;
  • does not have a substance-abuse problem;
  • has no conviction within the five years immediately preceding the application for certain crimes related to violence, dishonesty, recklessness, or instability;[36]
  • has not “become or been declared unfit to possess a firearm” under the FCA or the 1969 AAA within the five years preceding the application; and
  • has completed all the required tests on his understanding of the FCA, the training and test for the safe and effective use of a firearm, and all other applicable training and tests for the specific license he or she is seeking.[37]

Competency certificates are not permanent.  A competency certificate to possess a firearm, trade in firearms, manufacture firearms, or open a gunsmith business is valid for as long as the license to which it relates remains valid, unless the certificate is terminated or renewed.[38]  A competency certificate relating to a muzzle-loading firearm is issued for ten years.[39]

The FCA Regulations impose additional requirements.  For instance, it requires anyone who provides a recommendation on behalf of any applicant to attest that the applicant

  • is a fit and proper person to be issued a competency certificate, license, permit, or authorization;
  • is in stable mental condition and does not have a propensity for violence; and
  • does not suffer from a substance-abuse problem.[40]

Upon receiving an application for a competency certificate, the Registrar may launch an investigation for the purpose of determining whether the applicant is a fit and proper person, is in stable mental condition, or has a tendency for violence or a substance-abuse problem.  An investigation would be launched if in the five years preceding the application the applicant, among other things,

  • has been served with a protection order or accused of domestic violence, necessitating a police visit to his or her residence;
  • has been denied a license, permit, or authorization for a firearm;
  • has attempted suicide, suffered major depression or emotional problems, or had a substance-abuse problem;
  • has been diagnosed or treated for depression, substance abuse, or behavioral or emotional problems;
  • has been reported to the police or social services for threatening or attempting violence or other conflict anywhere;

or if in the two years preceding the application the applicant

  • went through a divorce or separation from a partner in which violence was alleged, or
  • was fired or laid off from his or her job.[41]

In the course of investigating an applicant for a competency certificate, the Registrar may require the applicant to submit a doctor’s certificate regarding the applicant’s dependence on intoxicating or narcotic substances[42] and/or a report compiled by a psychiatrist or psychologist on the applicant’s mental condition or propensity for violence.[43]

“The truth is like a lion, you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose, it will defend itself.” St. Augustine
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:12-03-2018 04:20:04Copy HTML

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I asked them if they have any firearms.  Personal weapons are pretty much forbidden in S.A. so, of course, mostly criminals have them and a few brave folks willing to obtain a black market weapon.  She replied,

"If you shoot them you get jailed.  An intruder cannot be shot unless you can prove that your life was threatened according to our new laws.  Thus you need them to physically harm you before you can shoot them.
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My money is on Alaska made that email up or his friend is an idiot or both.  You can own firearms in SA just like here.  You must pass a background check and competency test.  And being able to shoot someone if your life is threatened...which you have to prove...is also the fucking same as it is here. The only difference I know of is the background check can take 90 days...the maximum allowable time. 



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Did it occur to you, you evil sonofabitch, that the s.a. government denies firearms permits for whites?  

How is Skwanderer evil? Because he understands the history of SA better than you do? did you friends fight for gun ownership for blacks when blacks were forbidden to own guns?
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And so it begins."

A statement that peaks one's curiosity. One has to wonder why the white population of SA didn't see this coming down the pike right from the get-go. Did they honestly believe that once they surrendered their military and political power to the black inhabitants all would be forgiven and the status quo of their land acquisition would remain in place?

Call me crazy but such a mindset would have to be the epitomy of optimism not to mention a willful ignorance of past history. A blind man could have seen the retribution, not to mention the redistribution of land on the horizon once the black population had the power to make it happen.

The irony of these events taking place is the white population being complicit in their own demise.

TP; many Afrikanners were glad to see the end to Apartheid, most did not consider the influence of the Marxists that were running the ANC. Nelly was no angel.  
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Pot, meet kettle.
This and the boys thread have altered my core beliefs.  You “people” on the left are horrifying.
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And so it begins."

A statement that peaks one's curiosity. One has to wonder why the white population of SA didn't see this coming down the pike right from the get-go. Did they honestly believe that once they surrendered their military and political power to the black inhabitants all would be forgiven and the status quo of their land acquisition would remain in place?

Call me crazy but such a mindset would have to be the epitomy of optimism not to mention a willful ignorance of past history. A blind man could have seen the retribution, not to mention the redistribution of land on the horizon once the black population had the power to make it happen.

The irony of these events taking place is the white population being complicit in their own demise.

TP; many Afrikanners were glad to see the end to Apartheid, most did not consider the influence of the Marxists that were running the ANC. Nelly was no angel.  

Nelson was that bastard that insisted on one man one vote. If he was no angel then how would you describe the people who put and kept Apartheid in place. you seem to think that that was a better system than what Nelson Mandela wanted.

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Pot, meet kettle.
This and the boys thread have altered my core beliefs.  You “people” on the left are horrifying.

You keep using words like evil and horrifying. you do understand that your friends have been living in a country where those same words have been used to describe a government who created laws to the benefit of people like your friends, right? What have your friends told you about the Native Lands Act of 1913?
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 Seg caught full of shit again.  Not only are the gun laws a lot like ours, the rate of ownership is 10-30 guns per 100 people.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Not 5 in a million.  Four orders of magnitude from the actual data.

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 you may want to look again,  Chumbucket, I said guns in private hands.

Rate of Licensed Firearm Owners per 100 Population

ChartThe rate of licensed firearm owners per 100 people in South Africa is

2011: 2.925
2001: 4.60
1999: 4.57
1996: 4.69
1994: 5.77

you will note that in the past twenty years, the number of legally held guns is halved, now, how much you care to bet that all those guns that are no longer out there were once the property of whites?


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 So, Chumbucket, how come a fine Brit like you landed here instead of somewhere you could do some good, like Africa?  Your no better than that Carib bitch.


I'm surprised that you did not live in SA before apartheid. Seems a perfect fit for your racism
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 'sa wonder you didn't head east instead of north,  you coulda got your "share".
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 'sa wonder you didn't head east instead of north,  you coulda got your "share".

Share of what? The remnants of what people like you left when they took everything. Sharing was not a concept people like you seem to favor.
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All the South African whites should be allowed to emigrate to Alabama; they'd feel rather well at home there. They'd teach Alabama whites how to really mistreat blacks and maybe give lessons in Afrikaans..
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 So, Chumbucket, how come a fine Brit like you landed here instead of somewhere you could do some good, like Africa?  Your no better than that Carib bitch.


Wow.  You radiate hatred like you're possessed.    Whatever happened that makes you this way must have been gawd-awful.  
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