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alaskaone
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Date Posted:09-03-2018 11:43:09Copy HTML

I've been friends with a woman in South Africa since the 1980's so I kind of pay attention to what goes on there.  Her description of S.A. since the end of apartheid differs significantly from the media's depiction which shouldn't surprise anyone, really.

If you haven't heard, last week the government of south africa kicked the Boers off of their land.  The Boers are still being held responsible for any mortgage notes on the land that they no longer own but most of them have said, fuck off.

Generally speaking, when something like this happens, you can start the clock on the famine and genocide.  My friend isn't a farmer but she and her husband have faced relentless abuse and discrimination since the end of apartheid.  They left the country several times because her husband could not get a job because he's white.  They own, for the moment, a house so they returned from Tanzania because they got tired of malaria and they'd hoped things had settled down in S.A. during their absence.

It hasn't.

UPDATE: White South Africans face genocide...

Their eldest daughter got a job as an au pair in North Carolina, she arrives the end of this month so she's safe for a while.  The rest of them are stuck in S.A.  One of the reasons behind my sudden interest in cryptocurrency is the possibility it offers for me to get them money fast hopefully without governmental interference. 

US history in regard to refugees of genocide is spotty, at best, so getting them out of there seems hopeless.  Given that almost no mainstream media coverage of this is happening, it seems unlikely to me that unka sam will give the same warn welcome he's been giving to somalis or syrians and I doubt any of the EU will, either.  Maybe the Dutch but I doubt it.

There has been coverage of the events in S.A.  It's come from independent journalists on Youtube and my admiration for Youtube grows despite it's hostility toward (classical)liberal and conservative views.  It's come a long way from cat videos... if you care to look about.

One of the more prominent independent journalists is Lauren Southern.  Here's some of her work on current events in S.A.

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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 02:40:43Copy HTML

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Do you acknowledge that you are evil?

All I have told you was the history of SA before the eighties when you think SA history began? How is that being evil?

Do you acknowledge that Katie is saying that the devil was there before the eighties?

Do you acknowledge that you are justifying rape, torture and genocide?

That makes you evil, in my book.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 02:57:32Copy HTML

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Do you acknowledge that you are evil?

All I have told you was the history of SA before the eighties when you think SA history began? How is that being evil?

Do you acknowledge that Katie is saying that the devil was there before the eighties?

Do you acknowledge that you are justifying rape, torture and genocide?

That makes you evil, in my book.

I have justified nothing. I have simply showed you that what you think  is something new in SA has always existed. You only care now because people you know are affected. Am I evil for pointing that out to you? Are you evil for ignoring the hundreds of years of rape, torture and genocide in SA? 
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 03:07:46Copy HTML

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All I have told you was the history of SA before the eighties when you think SA history began? How is that being evil?

Do you acknowledge that Katie is saying that the devil was there before the eighties?

Do you acknowledge that you are justifying rape, torture and genocide?

That makes you evil, in my book.

I have justified nothing.

Clearly not true.

I have simply showed you that what you think  is something new in SA has always existed.
You made the assumption that I was unaware of such things, that I approve of such things, that my friends are responsible for such things, that they deserve, that all of them deserve what's happening to them and what's going to happen to them. 

You only care now because people you know are affected.
Of course.  That must be the explanation.  Clearly it would be better if I focused upon events decades and centuries in the past rather than concern myself with what's happening right now.

Am I evil for pointing that out to you? Are you evil for ignoring the hundreds of years of rape, torture and genocide in SA?
Nope, the sheer malevolence you've shone here demonstrate your true colors.  If you're ashamed of those colors, you might consider not supporting genocide.


Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 03:13:06Copy HTML

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All I have told you was the history of SA before the eighties when you think SA history began? How is that being evil?

Do you acknowledge that Katie is saying that the devil was there before the eighties?

Do you acknowledge that you are justifying rape, torture and genocide?

That makes you evil, in my book.

I have justified nothing.

Clearly not true.

I have simply showed you that what you think  is something new in SA has always existed.
You made the assumption that I was unaware of such things, that I approve of such things, that my friends are responsible for such things, that they deserve, that all of them deserve what's happening to them and what's going to happen to them. 

You only care now because people you know are affected.
Of course.  That must be the explanation.  Clearly it would be better if I focused upon events decades and centuries in the past rather than concern myself with what's happening right now.

Am I evil for pointing that out to you? Are you evil for ignoring the hundreds of years of rape, torture and genocide in SA?
Nope, the sheer malevolence you've shone here demonstrate your true colors.  If you're ashamed of those colors, you might consider not supporting genocide.



Alaska, if you were aware, how do you account for your belief that only now there will be rape, mass murder and genocide. That it starts now?

Your friends do not deserve what is happening to them, but what did they do when all around them other people were affected by rape, mass murder and genocide. How did the manage to live in SA all these years and are only now affected, when, not their lives, but their land is at stake?

What is happening right now is not happening in a vacuum. What is being done is certainly and documented, not the best way to solve the problem of poverty in SA, but what is the solution to the structural inequality that exists there. Do you think that blacks should just pull themselves up by their own bootstraps? 



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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 03:29:56Copy HTML

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All I have told you was the history of SA before the eighties when you think SA history began? How is that being evil?

Do you acknowledge that Katie is saying that the devil was there before the eighties?

Do you acknowledge that you are justifying rape, torture and genocide?

That makes you evil, in my book.

I have justified nothing.

Clearly not true.

I have simply showed you that what you think  is something new in SA has always existed.
You made the assumption that I was unaware of such things, that I approve of such things, that my friends are responsible for such things, that they deserve, that all of them deserve what's happening to them and what's going to happen to them. 

You only care now because people you know are affected.
Of course.  That must be the explanation.  Clearly it would be better if I focused upon events decades and centuries in the past rather than concern myself with what's happening right now.

Am I evil for pointing that out to you? Are you evil for ignoring the hundreds of years of rape, torture and genocide in SA?
Nope, the sheer malevolence you've shone here demonstrate your true colors.  If you're ashamed of those colors, you might consider not supporting genocide.



Alaska, if you were aware, how do you account for your belief that only now there will be rape, mass murder and genocide. That it starts now?


Look, if you are such a damned racist that you're okay with what's been happening to the boers and what is working it's way through the S.A. government right now... just own it. 

The hilarious thing, in my opinion, is that if the S. Africans succeed in changing their constitution to expropriate all private property including homes and businesses, the nation will descend into chaos just as has happened everywhere else communism has been tried.  They will succeed in hanging themselves while they're hanging the boers.

Property is the foundation of all human rights, when governments remove property rights, mass graves always follow.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 03:37:35Copy HTML

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All I have told you was the history of SA before the eighties when you think SA history began? How is that being evil?

Do you acknowledge that Katie is saying that the devil was there before the eighties?

Do you acknowledge that you are justifying rape, torture and genocide?

That makes you evil, in my book.

I have justified nothing.

Clearly not true.

I have simply showed you that what you think  is something new in SA has always existed.
You made the assumption that I was unaware of such things, that I approve of such things, that my friends are responsible for such things, that they deserve, that all of them deserve what's happening to them and what's going to happen to them. 

You only care now because people you know are affected.
Of course.  That must be the explanation.  Clearly it would be better if I focused upon events decades and centuries in the past rather than concern myself with what's happening right now.

Am I evil for pointing that out to you? Are you evil for ignoring the hundreds of years of rape, torture and genocide in SA?
Nope, the sheer malevolence you've shone here demonstrate your true colors.  If you're ashamed of those colors, you might consider not supporting genocide.



Alaska, if you were aware, how do you account for your belief that only now there will be rape, mass murder and genocide. That it starts now?


Look, if you are such a damned racist that you're okay with what's been happening to the boers and what is working it's way through the S.A. government right now... just own it. 

The hilarious thing, in my opinion, is that if the S. Africans succeed in changing their constitution to expropriate all private property including homes and businesses, the nation will descend into chaos just as has happened everywhere else communism has been tried.  They will succeed in hanging themselves while they're hanging the boers.

Property is the foundation of all human rights, when governments remove property rights, mass graves always follow.

If property is the foundation of all human rights, then you must acknowledge that human rights have been trampled on and that the people you know have been beneficiaries of rights taken from others. How do you suggest that be righted?

What is the solution here Alaska? Is there one?

..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 03:46:14Copy HTML

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Look, if you are such a damned racist that you're okay with what's been happening to the boers and what is working it's way through the S.A. government right now... just own it. 

The hilarious thing, in my opinion, is that if the S. Africans succeed in changing their constitution to expropriate all private property including homes and businesses, the nation will descend into chaos just as has happened everywhere else communism has been tried.  They will succeed in hanging themselves while they're hanging the boers.

Property is the foundation of all human rights, when governments remove property rights, mass graves always follow.

If property is the foundation of all human rights, then you must acknowledge that human rights have been trampled on and that the people you know have been beneficiaries of rights taken from others. How do you suggest that be righted?

What is the solution here Alaska? Is there one?


Yes.

Just stop.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 03:54:13Copy HTML

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Look, if you are such a damned racist that you're okay with what's been happening to the boers and what is working it's way through the S.A. government right now... just own it. 

The hilarious thing, in my opinion, is that if the S. Africans succeed in changing their constitution to expropriate all private property including homes and businesses, the nation will descend into chaos just as has happened everywhere else communism has been tried.  They will succeed in hanging themselves while they're hanging the boers.

Property is the foundation of all human rights, when governments remove property rights, mass graves always follow.

If property is the foundation of all human rights, then you must acknowledge that human rights have been trampled on and that the people you know have been beneficiaries of rights taken from others. How do you suggest that be righted?

What is the solution here Alaska? Is there one?


Yes.

Just stop.

What about people who think that the government should compensate them for the loss of their rights? For taking their land that had been in their family for centuries? 

Should they be compensated or not?


..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 03:55:35Copy HTML

Just stop.

That is the only way to start.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 04:04:25Copy HTML

You did not acknowledge what happened to South Africans by the Boers, which is surely a long disgusting history of an invasion of a country by whites. What you acknowledged that you were aware of such things and that your friends shouldn't pay, not even close to the same. 
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 04:08:06Copy HTML

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Just stop.

That would be the only way to start.

Stop what exactly? Giving back land to people who originally owned it? Poverty in SA is directly linked to the redistribution of land in the early 1900s and the removal of people from their land to homestead, and giving the majority of land to the minority white population. Do you not think that this should be addressed? Or do you think that whites should be allowed to keep the wealth and the land and blacks should pull themselves up by their bootstraps out of poverty?


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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 04:33:16Copy HTML

Americans expect others to put up with what we didn't come close to in fighting the British for independence when it was a British colony with persons who were British and white. SA suffered the English, the Dutch and the Germans and they were neither British, Dutch or German nor white or in someone else's country, why shouldn't they get back parcels of their own land.
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 04:52:05Copy HTML

 Alaska, grow the fuck up and stop with the simple minded crap. Get your mind out of your tinker toys (not sure you're mentally advanced enough for Legos.) Not one person, NOT ONE, has intimated, suggested or stated outright that they support the pain the current South African whites are enduring. What we have said is that it is taking place because of the past, and to understand it today you have to look to the past.

But for god's sake, if you don't believe me, then try reading what govols said elsewhere.

History, without context, screwed....

and that is exactly what you're doing here, trying to tell us that what is happening now is somehow happening out of the blue, nothing to see here but the pain of the white man, without one reference to the context it takes place in.

All your gibbering, all your evil this and evil that means jack, you dope, because nobody is saying that today's whites deserve what is happening to them personally: what is being said is that today's whites are reaping what their ancestors sowed, i.e., the context in which today's events are taking place.

What do you mean by "just stop"? You are like fucking Canute trying to turn back the tide, except he at least had the brains to know he couldn't do it. There is no "just stop" here until the debt is paid, and at this point, those in power, just as they ALWAYS do and ALWAYS have throughout history, get to decide just how bad that debt is. 

Want to take a lesson from this, alaska? It's called the consequences of imperialism and colonialism. It's called the consequences of exploiting a people for centuries. What's the lesson to learn?

Simple. To quote you, "just stop". If you stop exploiting people then, gosh, maybe they won't hate you and want to kill you. If you stop enslaving races then maybe they won't make slaves of you when they get the upper hand. If you stop stealing their resources, their land and their future, then maybe they won't HAVE to take your resources, your land and your future when they get that upper hand.

Just stop indeed. The trouble was, the time to say that isn't today, you moron, but three centuries or more ago. 

If it were my friend, alaska, I wouldn't come whining to this board and demanding that everyone say "oh, yes, how horrible. They should stop it all right now", at risk of being deemed "evil" (which given that you consider everyone in government, religion and civil life, not to mention your own charges, all to be fucking evil isn't that big a deal anyway). 

If it were me, I would say something like, "What's happening in SA is horrible, and while I understand the need to rectify past abuses, I think that the human cost is getting out of hand. Perhaps we can talk about UN peacekeepers in SA, since the SA regime itself doesn't seem willing to stop these massacres, and maybe those peacekeepers can keep the peace while the economic restructuring, which I get is going to include dispossession of whites, is going on."

Oh, but wait, you can't do that, hmmm, because in your mind the UN is also, sigh, evil.

Fucking moron.


~Oh, I wish it would rain.~ --The Temptations
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 05:06:12Copy HTML

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You did not acknowledge what happened to South Africans by the Boers, which is surely a long disgusting history of an invasion of a country by whites. What you acknowledged that you were aware of such things and that your friends shouldn't pay, not even close to the same. 

Why stop with whites?  Let's keep going back in time.  How many african tribes invaded the region over the millennia?  Each invasion accompanied by the usual slaughter.

By all means.  Lets keep the grievance factory going back in time until we reach microbial life.  That'll work out swell.  There is no limit to the grievance factory which apparently is what you bloody bastards want.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 05:07:18Copy HTML

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 Alaska, grow the fuck up and stop with the simple minded crap.

How about I rip your fucking head off, instead?

You fuckers want conflict, I'll fucking give conflict.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 05:16:15Copy HTML

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 Alaska, grow the fuck up and stop with the simple minded crap.

How about I rip your fucking head off, instead?

You fuckers want conflict, I'll fucking give conflict.

Now you're just being rude. Most uncalled for.


~Oh, I wish it would rain.~ --The Temptations
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 05:19:05Copy HTML

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 Alaska, grow the fuck up and stop with the simple minded crap.

How about I rip your fucking head off, instead?

You fuckers want conflict, I'll fucking give conflict.

Now you're just being rude. Most uncalled for.



No.  It's quite called for.  You fuckers think you can reach out and fuck over the world and nothing will come back at you.

Think again.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 05:23:57Copy HTML

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You did not acknowledge what happened to South Africans by the Boers, which is surely a long disgusting history of an invasion of a country by whites. What you acknowledged that you were aware of such things and that your friends shouldn't pay, not even close to the same. 

Why stop with whites?  Let's keep going back in time.  How many african tribes invaded the region over the millennia?  Each invasion accompanied by the usual slaughter.

By all means.  Lets keep the grievance factory going back in time until we reach microbial life.  That'll work out swell.  There is no limit to the grievance factory which apparently is what you bloody bastards want.

It doesn't matter how many African tribes invaded over millennia, as it does not matter how many Africans tribes made each other slaves, nor does it matter how many wars they had in millennia, what matters are race's from Euro countries invaded all of Africa overtaking them, their land, their natural resources and their cultures and warred between each other for control over SA, then there is the 1913 South African Land Act, which gave the native population the big ole chunk to native South Africans 7.5 of their land mass, later to 10% and 13%, fair right? There shouldn't be a "grievance" of blacks wanting revenge it is just as disgusting as the other way around and who is "you bloody bastards" I don't want for black South Africans to take revenge on white persons!
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 08:09:47Copy HTML

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It doesn't matter how many African tribes invaded over millennia, as it does not matter how many Africans tribes made each other slaves, nor does it matter how many wars they had in millennia, what matters are race's from Euro countries invaded all of Africa overtaking them, their land, their natural resources and their cultures and warred between each other for control over SA, then there is the 1913 South African Land Act, which gave the native population the big ole chunk to native South Africans 7.5 of their land mass, later to 10% and 13%, fair right? There shouldn't be a "grievance" of blacks wanting revenge it is just as disgusting as the other way around and who is "you bloody bastards" I don't want for black South Africans to take revenge on white persons!

Thank you.

I'm glad you've not gone totally around the bend.
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 11:23:23Copy HTML



Property is the foundation of human rights. Blacks have been dispossessed of this foundation of human rights. What should be done for them? Nothing? Do they not have the same rights as your friend? Notice I am using your argument of what is human rights, not introducing anything new here.
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Re:South Africa

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 Africa, like the Americas was internecine warfare for many centuries before the white man arrived.  Neither had any concept of land ownership, or land improvement; except for the Incas and Aztecs who had some semblance of a civilization.  They slaughtered each other, and sold the survivors into slavery, here as well as Africa.  Like the nomadic arabs, the African tribes lived OFF the land, but didn't cultivate the land, and had no desire to own the land before some industrious son of a bitch built something on it, then they decided it should be theirs.

Cue Trin to tell us about the great cities in the jungle and the wondrous flying machines.  Never even invented the wheel. It's the goddamned nature of human history, and accounts for the advance of human civilization.  The stronger, the more advanced civilization wins.  (at least until socialism came along)
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 12:49:52Copy HTML

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The United Kingdom just banned Lauren southern from entering the country because of her video about South Africa.
She was, ironically, on her way to give a speech at the free-speech seminar.

She says the authorities specifically asked her about this video 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=51BaJpFdpfY


And claimed it is evidence that she is a racist.

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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 02:02:37Copy HTML

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 Africa, like the Americas was internecine warfare for many centuries before the white man arrived.  Neither had any concept of land ownership, or land improvement; except for the Incas and Aztecs who had some semblance of a civilization.  They slaughtered each other, and sold the survivors into slavery, here as well as Africa.  Like the nomadic arabs, the African tribes lived OFF the land, but didn't cultivate the land, and had no desire to own the land before some industrious son of a bitch built something on it, then they decided it should be theirs.

Cue Trin to tell us about the great cities in the jungle and the wondrous flying machines.  Never even invented the wheel. It's the goddamned nature of human history, and accounts for the advance of human civilization.  The stronger, the more advanced civilization wins.  (at least until socialism came along)

Segovia, if i have a hut on my land and someone takes that land and builds a mansion, does that make that land theirs? Does it make taking that land right? Now you say they had no desire to own the land. What does that mean Segovia? Were they  not on land that they owned?
Is it not too early in the day to expose your ignorance?




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Sometimes people care only when their friends face injustice and ignore injustice of others. Those people are the epitome of hypocrisy.

Alaska, do you want to revisit your statement thatn property is the foundation of all human rights?



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Sometimes people care only when their friends face injustice and ignore injustice of others. Those people are the epitome of hypocrisy.

Alaska, do you want to revisit your statement thatn property is the foundation of all human rights?


The statement is accurate.

What is there to revisit?
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Sometimes people care only when their friends face injustice and ignore injustice of others. Those people are the epitome of hypocrisy.

Alaska, do you want to revisit your statement thatn property is the foundation of all human rights?


The statement is accurate.

What is there to revisit?


What compensation should blacks whose land was stolen from them get? Any at all?
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 "property is the foundation of all human rights"

So you caught that too Windies.  Who knew that ownership of stuff is the foundation of human rights.  I've always thought that personal agency and dignity was every person's right, or as wise men once wrote:  life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Seems Alaska interprets it as life, liberty, and the pursuit of property.  

   
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:13-03-2018 02:48:58Copy HTML

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Sometimes people care only when their friends face injustice and ignore injustice of others. Those people are the epitome of hypocrisy.

Alaska, do you want to revisit your statement thatn property is the foundation of all human rights?


The statement is accurate.

What is there to revisit?

What compensation should blacks whose land was stolen from them get? Any at all?

Depends.  How far back do you want to go?  5 years? 50 years?  500 years?  5,000 years?  And since land stealing is land stealing, are the black tribes that stole from other black tribes going to be paying compensation, too?

Crimes of the past do not justify crimes of the present or future and lovingly treasuring grievances that did not even happen to you doesn't bring about peace, it brings about what we're seeing now, the next genocide.

And given that boers are about 8% of the population and the fact that family farms are not particularly profitable, how much do you think the torturers are going to be able to squeeze out of them?  The farms are in ruins from the drought and government corruption, the land isn't particularly fertile to begin with, it takes a great deal of skill to make it productive.

I note you decline to read or comment on the boer woman who was beaten and raped and managed to kill her attacker.  The government arrested her for murder.  Does that make you happy or does it open your eyes as to what sort of government rules S.A. today?

An evil government is evil due to it's actions or inactions.  If you support that corruption then you are supporting evil and that, in my book, makes you another enemy of humanity.
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