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alaskaone
  • From:USA

Date Posted:09-03-2018 11:43:09Copy HTML

I've been friends with a woman in South Africa since the 1980's so I kind of pay attention to what goes on there.  Her description of S.A. since the end of apartheid differs significantly from the media's depiction which shouldn't surprise anyone, really.

If you haven't heard, last week the government of south africa kicked the Boers off of their land.  The Boers are still being held responsible for any mortgage notes on the land that they no longer own but most of them have said, fuck off.

Generally speaking, when something like this happens, you can start the clock on the famine and genocide.  My friend isn't a farmer but she and her husband have faced relentless abuse and discrimination since the end of apartheid.  They left the country several times because her husband could not get a job because he's white.  They own, for the moment, a house so they returned from Tanzania because they got tired of malaria and they'd hoped things had settled down in S.A. during their absence.

It hasn't.

UPDATE: White South Africans face genocide...

Their eldest daughter got a job as an au pair in North Carolina, she arrives the end of this month so she's safe for a while.  The rest of them are stuck in S.A.  One of the reasons behind my sudden interest in cryptocurrency is the possibility it offers for me to get them money fast hopefully without governmental interference. 

US history in regard to refugees of genocide is spotty, at best, so getting them out of there seems hopeless.  Given that almost no mainstream media coverage of this is happening, it seems unlikely to me that unka sam will give the same warn welcome he's been giving to somalis or syrians and I doubt any of the EU will, either.  Maybe the Dutch but I doubt it.

There has been coverage of the events in S.A.  It's come from independent journalists on Youtube and my admiration for Youtube grows despite it's hostility toward (classical)liberal and conservative views.  It's come a long way from cat videos... if you care to look about.

One of the more prominent independent journalists is Lauren Southern.  Here's some of her work on current events in S.A.

<iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/WCLJRVbaMyQ" allowfullscreen="" width="425" height="355" frameborder="0"></iframe>
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  • From:USA

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:16-03-2018 06:03:25Copy HTML

Reply to jackie_rn

What is it you want here Alaska besides "just stop"?
Nothing else.  That's it, entirely.  Just stop.

NO ONE is cheering the slaughter of white farmers, for god's sake. 
I no longer believe that is the case.

It's horrific, despicable, unacceptable, tragic, whatever condemning adjective fits.  It will likely require outside intervention imo. 
Great.  In addition to another genocide, your lot want another war.  Just great.  Thought that through, have you?  Who are you going to send boys in to shoot this time?

But if you're going to continue to discount the circumstances that lead to it, you're going to stay discomfited by any discussion of it.... and you're in the wrong place.
I've not discounted anything nor am I uncomfortable discussing it... other than the discomfort at learning I was so terribly wrong about you people.

The fallout from centuries of European colonialism and official "apartheid" is going to be felt for generations in Africa and elsewhere. 
Yeah, I've heard that nonsense before.  Argentina, Australia, Canada, India, Malaysia, New Zealand, the United States and a dozen others... all former colonies and all prosperous nations. 

Pleas to "just stop" are understandable, but won't touch it.
That's the point.  Want an injury to heal?  Once it's cleaned up and treated, you've got to stop picking at it.

Where did this idea that the '1%' or the 10% of any free nation is static?  It's not.  Only in corrupt nations is the population of elites static and they manage that by fraud, trickery and murder.

Clearly the whites in S.A. are not 'oppressors' holding the black man down.  
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:16-03-2018 06:04:22Copy HTML

Reply to TITANPANTHER1

I think it's been fairly well established the whites in SA are not only going to be dispossessed of their lands and relegated to virtual poverty for the most part but also run the risk of continued violence by the black population possibly for years to come.

Assuming this is true, the whites in SA have few options available to them. They can hope to emigrate as quickly as possible, they can remain in SA and suffer in silence or there is a possibility (although remote) they might take matters into their own hands and opt for a civil war as simply a matter of survival.

Either way, the future looks bleak for those whites remaining in SA. 

Yes, it does.  And racists like Yobbo are all on board with it.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:16-03-2018 02:08:34Copy HTML

Reply to TITANPANTHER1

I think it's been fairly well established the whites in SA are not only going to be dispossessed of their lands and relegated to virtual poverty for the most part but also run the risk of continued violence by the black population possibly for years to come.

Assuming this is true, the whites in SA have few options available to them. They can hope to emigrate as quickly as possible, they can remain in SA and suffer in silence or there is a possibility (although remote) they might take matters into their own hands and opt for a civil war as simply a matter of survival.

Either way, the future looks bleak for those whites remaining in SA. 

If the emigrate, that's at least one difference between this government and the Apartheid era government. And that gives them more options than blacks during apartheid. 
I was reading an article about a man who inherited 2000 hectares of land, which amounts to 7 square miles of land. What is the policy will be not to dispossess him of his land, but to leave him with enough to make a comfortable living? Do you think that is something you could agree with as a compromise that would work?
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:16-03-2018 02:13:13Copy HTML

Reply to alaskaone

Reply to Windies

Reply to alaskaone

That does seem to be the goal of folk like we see here: endless race wars.

You think that’s what it is Alaska?
Yes, I do.

And You think the only way for there to be peace is for blacks to accept that they are victims of that injustice and move on and eke out a living with what they are left with, while the whites could continue to lead live comfortably knowing that Were it not for others’ misery, they will not be wealthy.
Whites in S.A. are 8% of the population and dropping rapidly.  They've already been kicked out of employment across the nation and they're being murdered on the farms.  It appears that soon all property of whites will be confiscated;  farms, homes and businesses.  In other words, the black south Africans are, after genocide, probably going to launch another state sponsored famine that will kill millions of poor people in S.A.

Is that it Alaska?
What it is, is that you and folks like yourself thrive on grievance, real or imagined, and you will be quite happy to see another genocide visited upon this world provided it's blacks killing whites.

Up until this thread and the boys thread, I never would have seriously thought such a thing about the opposition but you and the rest have convinced me that I was naïve.



You say that all property of whites would be confiscated and that means that black south Africans are after genocide? Could you show me how you came to the genocide conclusion? 
Nobody is thriving on grievance. Real or imagined? I imagine for black South Africans the grievance is real. What i want you to say Alaska, is if you think they have any right to grievance? IF not, what options are open to them. Should they just pull themselves out of poverty with what they have now? If it is so easy, then the whites should be able to do it to, if they are face with poverty? Right?

I was reading an article about a man who inherited 2000 hectares of land, which amounts to 7 square miles of land. What is the policy will be not to dispossess him of his land, but to leave him with enough to make a comfortable living? Do you think that is something you could agree with as a compromise that would work?



..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:16-03-2018 02:14:31Copy HTML

Reply to alaskaone

Reply to TITANPANTHER1

I think it's been fairly well established the whites in SA are not only going to be dispossessed of their lands and relegated to virtual poverty for the most part but also run the risk of continued violence by the black population possibly for years to come.

Assuming this is true, the whites in SA have few options available to them. They can hope to emigrate as quickly as possible, they can remain in SA and suffer in silence or there is a possibility (although remote) they might take matters into their own hands and opt for a civil war as simply a matter of survival.

Either way, the future looks bleak for those whites remaining in SA. 

Yes, it does.  And racists like Yobbo are all on board with it.

do you remember when Australia offered asylum to blacks during Apartheid?
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:16-03-2018 02:37:36Copy HTML

 Seems AK has staked out his position as aggrieved proxy martyr for persecuted white S Africans,   and "You people, you lot" - whoever 'you' is; he doesn't specify- are demonic supporters of genocide.   The rest of you can keep trying to placate him, but he'll have to  play his game without me.  
Kim Jong Un “speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same...” Donald J. Trump, 6/15/2018
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:16-03-2018 02:41:58Copy HTML

Reply to jackie_rn

 Seems AK has staked out his position as aggrieved proxy martyr for persecuted white S Africans,   and "You people, you lot" - whoever 'you' is; he doesn't specify- are demonic supporters of genocide.   The rest of you can keep trying to placate him, but he'll have to  play his game without me.  

NO ONE is cheering the slaughter of white farmers, for god's sake.  
I no longer believe that is the case.


You just proved him right. 
Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:16-03-2018 02:43:05Copy HTML

 lol.  Couldn't resist could ya skrump.  
Kim Jong Un “speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same...” Donald J. Trump, 6/15/2018
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:16-03-2018 03:09:27Copy HTML

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Reply to jackie_rn

 Seems AK has staked out his position as aggrieved proxy martyr for persecuted white S Africans,   and "You people, you lot" - whoever 'you' is; he doesn't specify- are demonic supporters of genocide.   The rest of you can keep trying to placate him, but he'll have to  play his game without me.  

NO ONE is cheering the slaughter of white farmers, for god's sake.  
I no longer believe that is the case.


You just proved him right. 

How? 
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:16-03-2018 03:13:45Copy HTML

Reply to jackie_rn

 Seems AK has staked out his position as aggrieved proxy martyr for persecuted white S Africans,   and "You people, you lot" - whoever 'you' is; he doesn't specify- are demonic supporters of genocide.   The rest of you can keep trying to placate him, but he'll have to  play his game without me.  

alaska seems to think that the only thing that could and should be done is that nothing should be done. The blacks can rise out of poverty on their own, but if miles and miles of land is taken away from whites, they have no recourse, they will not be able to make a living if all that land is taken away from them. there is no in-between where land is shared. And for heavens' sakes don't speak about Apartheid, that is in the past and has no bearing on the present.
It's like an errant husband telling his wife, that his affairs are all in the past and it's time to move on, and why can't she get over it, something must be wrong with her.
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:16-03-2018 03:24:26Copy HTML

I was reading an article about a man who inherited 2000 hectares of land, which amounts to 7 square miles of land. What is the policy will be not to dispossess him of his land, but to leave him with enough to make a comfortable living? Do you think that is something you could agree with as a compromise that would work?

Yes, I agree such a compromise would work but do you honestly see the indigenous population of SA affording the whites of a "comfortable" living after centuries of oppression, discrimination and poverty? There might be a very very few exceptions but certainly not enough to call it a compromise.

I think the worst case scenerio for whites in SA is much more likely.
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:16-03-2018 04:24:27Copy HTML

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I was reading an article about a man who inherited 2000 hectares of land, which amounts to 7 square miles of land. What is the policy will be not to dispossess him of his land, but to leave him with enough to make a comfortable living? Do you think that is something you could agree with as a compromise that would work?

Yes, I agree such a compromise would work but do you honestly see the indigenous population of SA affording the whites of a "comfortable" living after centuries of oppression, discrimination and poverty? There might be a very very few exceptions but certainly not enough to call it a compromise.

I think the worst case scenerio for whites in SA is much more likely.

Yes, I do. Are there people who will want to harm whites. I imagine there are. Are they in the majority? I don't think so. Because there are whites right now living comfortably in South Africa. And blacks are living comfortably with them. What we have to do is understand that it's only been twenty years since Apartheid ended (how many generations is that) and this country will have to make several changes before they get it right. Everyone will have a hard time adjusting and several will have to adjust expectations, but the further they get away from apartheid the less these problems will arise. there will be new leaders who think differently because they will have never lived during apartheid and enact different policies. It's just like here in this country. White here (some) will not enact the same policies when it comes to race like the whites did before the sixties, because they have not lived in a racially divided country. 
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:16-03-2018 06:26:02Copy HTML

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You say that all property of whites would be confiscated and that means that black south Africans are after genocide? Could you show me how you came to the genocide conclusion? 
Nobody is thriving on grievance. Real or imagined? I imagine for black South Africans the grievance is real. What i want you to say Alaska, is if you think they have any right to grievance? IF not, what options are open to them. Should they just pull themselves out of poverty with what they have now? If it is so easy, then the whites should be able to do it to, if they are face with poverty? Right?

I was reading an article about a man who inherited 2000 hectares of land, which amounts to 7 square miles of land. What is the policy will be not to dispossess him of his land, but to leave him with enough to make a comfortable living? Do you think that is something you could agree with as a compromise that would work?


Whites make up about 8% of the population of south africa.  The south african government required that businesses reflect that proportion and so many whites were thrown out of work.

Well, you might say that's fair.  It's how the racists want things here, after all.  The thing is, the folks who lost their jobs were often educated and skilled... meaning, not easily replaced.  All of S.A. suffered the consequences and corruption increased dramatically because the jobs that educated and skilled people do are not always middle management make work.  We're talking physicians, engineers, electricians, carpenters, plumbers, etc., etc., etc.

Well, so what, you may say.  A little suffering in pursuit of the greater good is acceptable.  Well, maybe.

It occurred to me to wonder how much property in S.A. is owned by whites.  Turns out it's not a simple thing to figure out.

Who owns SA's land? | News24

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/who-owns-sas-land-20171028

Do 40,000 whites own 80% of SA? The claim is incorrect - Africa Check

https://africacheck.org/reports/do-40000-whites-own-80-of-sa-the-claim-is-incorrect/

The truth about land and home ownership in South Africa

https://businesstech.co.za › News › Wealth

Home ownership in SA: Facts tell different story | Fin24

https://www.fin24.com/.../kill-dangerous-property-nationalisation-slogans-with-facts-e...

land ownership - Plaas

www.plaas.org.za/sites/default/files/publications.../No1%20Fact%20check%20web.pdf

land audit - AgriSA

https://www.agrisa.co.za/wp-content/.../2017/.../AgriSA_Land-Audit_November-2017...

There is an observation by a guy named Derek Price.  "The square root of the number of people in a domain do 50% of the work."

For example: 
  • 10 employees, 3 of them do 1/2 the work
  • 100 employees, 10 of them do 1/2 the work
  • 10,000 employees 100 of them do 1/2 the work

This was mainly addressing businesses and bureaucracies but it appears to hold true across the general population.  You can see it at work here in this forum... the bulk of the posts are made by a small number of people.

By attacking working farmers and businesses, S.A. is targeting a small group of people who are demonstrably productive.  The loss of those people will have impacts far greater than their small numbers would suggest.

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:16-03-2018 07:10:49Copy HTML

Reply to alaskaone

Reply to Windies

You say that all property of whites would be confiscated and that means that black south Africans are after genocide? Could you show me how you came to the genocide conclusion? 
Nobody is thriving on grievance. Real or imagined? I imagine for black South Africans the grievance is real. What i want you to say Alaska, is if you think they have any right to grievance? IF not, what options are open to them. Should they just pull themselves out of poverty with what they have now? If it is so easy, then the whites should be able to do it to, if they are face with poverty? Right?

I was reading an article about a man who inherited 2000 hectares of land, which amounts to 7 square miles of land. What is the policy will be not to dispossess him of his land, but to leave him with enough to make a comfortable living? Do you think that is something you could agree with as a compromise that would work?


Whites make up about 8% of the population of south africa.  The south african government required that businesses reflect that proportion and so many whites were thrown out of work.

Well, you might say that's fair.  It's how the racists want things here, after all.  The thing is, the folks who lost their jobs were often educated and skilled... meaning, not easily replaced.  All of S.A. suffered the consequences and corruption increased dramatically because the jobs that educated and skilled people do are not always middle management make work.  We're talking physicians, engineers, electricians, carpenters, plumbers, etc., etc., etc.

Well, so what, you may say.  A little suffering in pursuit of the greater good is acceptable.  Well, maybe.

It occurred to me to wonder how much property in S.A. is owned by whites.  Turns out it's not a simple thing to figure out.

Who owns SA's land? | News24

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/who-owns-sas-land-20171028

Do 40,000 whites own 80% of SA? The claim is incorrect - Africa Check

https://africacheck.org/reports/do-40000-whites-own-80-of-sa-the-claim-is-incorrect/

The truth about land and home ownership in South Africa

https://businesstech.co.za › News › Wealth

Home ownership in SA: Facts tell different story | Fin24

https://www.fin24.com/.../kill-dangerous-property-nationalisation-slogans-with-facts-e...

land ownership - Plaas

www.plaas.org.za/sites/default/files/publications.../No1%20Fact%20check%20web.pdf

land audit - AgriSA

https://www.agrisa.co.za/wp-content/.../2017/.../AgriSA_Land-Audit_November-2017...

There is an observation by a guy named Derek Price.  "The square root of the number of people in a domain do 50% of the work."

For example: 
  • 10 employees, 3 of them do 1/2 the work
  • 100 employees, 10 of them do 1/2 the work
  • 10,000 employees 100 of them do 1/2 the work

This was mainly addressing businesses and bureaucracies but it appears to hold true across the general population.  You can see it at work here in this forum... the bulk of the posts are made by a small number of people.

By attacking working farmers and businesses, S.A. is targeting a small group of people who are demonstrably productive.  The loss of those people will have impacts far greater than their small numbers would suggest.


Alaska what is the unemployment rate for whites in South Africa?

..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:16-03-2018 07:16:01Copy HTML

You could have looked it up for yourself so I suspect you have a point you wish to make?

South Africa's unemployment is at a fourteen year high — Quartz

https://qz.com/997358/south-africas-unemployment-is-at-a-fourteen-year-high/
Jun 2, 2017 - To South Africans, the June 1 news, was more bad news about an economy that has been left rudderless by political infighting, drifting along in a tumultuous... ... Here's South Africa's desperately high unemployment in four charts ... White people had the lowest rate of unemployment (6.6%). The figures are ...
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:16-03-2018 07:19:14Copy HTML

Reply to alaskaone

You could have looked it up for yourself so I suspect you have a point you wish to make?

South Africa's unemployment is at a fourteen year high — Quartz

https://qz.com/997358/south-africas-unemployment-is-at-a-fourteen-year-high/
Jun 2, 2017 - To South Africans, the June 1 news, was more bad news about an economy that has been left rudderless by political infighting, drifting along in a tumultuous... ... Here's South Africa's desperately high unemployment in four charts ... White people had the lowest rate of unemployment (6.6%). The figures are ...

6.6%. In your post you said people are being forced out of their jobs. What was the number before for whites? And how do the rates of unemployment for whites compare with other groups?
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:17-03-2018 05:08:08Copy HTML

 Apparently no one reads anything before replying.

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:17-03-2018 07:14:40Copy HTML

I read it, black over 30% and whites under 8%. Yep the white folks are those skilled and educated cause we know that blacks weren't and since apartheid ended over 25 yrs. ago I guess those white folk have to continue in skilled jobs because dem black folks just can't seem to catch up................
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:17-03-2018 08:07:59Copy HTML

Reply to katie5445

I read it, black over 30% and whites under 8%. Yep the white folks are those skilled and educated cause we know that blacks weren't and since apartheid ended over 25 yrs. ago I guess those white folk have to continue in skilled jobs because dem black folks just can't seem to catch up................

Gosh.  You know so much about something you know nothing about.

Wish I had that ability.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:17-03-2018 11:05:17Copy HTML

 South Africa's version of Reconstruction.  I hope the whites all get out.
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:18-03-2018 05:28:55Copy HTML

Reply to alaskaone

 Apparently no one reads anything before replying.


Apparently, neither do you. But a good way to avoid responding to my questions.
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:19-03-2018 12:02:48Copy HTML

Reply to katie5445

I read it, black over 30% and whites under 8%. Yep the white folks are those skilled and educated cause we know that blacks weren't and since apartheid ended over 25 yrs. ago I guess those white folk have to continue in skilled jobs because dem black folks just can't seem to catch up................

I mentioned earlier that white Afrikaaners have migrated here in NZ to live.   
There is the usual mixture of races at our local bowling/drinking club.  One of these members is a very dark Maori who happens to be the head scientist at the local milk treatment plant.  A South African got a job there but would/could not accept orders from the department boss.  He simply didn't believe the boss was qualified. Kicked up a fuss and was kicked out.  He intended to take the case to court but was threatened with deportation if he couldn't deal with being ordered about by superiors who happen to be Maori.
People like this Jaapie truly would be better off having migrated to Alabama where their racist beliefs are more in keeping with the population..
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:19-03-2018 01:44:04Copy HTML

 Yobbo once again proves there's no bitter bigot the equal of Jeffie.  Oh, well, there's always Trin.
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:19-03-2018 01:47:49Copy HTML

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 Yobbo once again proves there's no bitter bigot the equal of Jeffie.  Oh, well, there's always Trin.

Why? Did I call someone a wop? Or a wetback? That would surely qualify me as a bigot. Right?
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:19-03-2018 05:20:25Copy HTML

I had a several experiences of Afrikaaner's in London where they were a part of my extended social group. "Bigoted" would be an understatement, drunks would be an understatement, they were so pie eyed they couldn't support their political position other than I'm white and that was enough conversation, over, then again it's hard to have one with someone who passed out from alcohol and in public.
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:19-03-2018 05:33:54Copy HTML

Reply to Segovia_del_Prado

 Yobbo once again proves there's no bitter bigot the equal of Jeffie.  Oh, well, there's always Trin.

Would you like to explain and tell me how I'm a bigot?  Perhaps you can tell me how Trin, whoever Trin may be, is similar.

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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:20-03-2018 08:03:33Copy HTML

Reply to Yobbo

Reply to Segovia_del_Prado

 Yobbo once again proves there's no bitter bigot the equal of Jeffie.  Oh, well, there's always Trin.

Would you like to explain and tell me how I'm a bigot?  Perhaps you can tell me how Trin, whoever Trin may be, is similar.


Simple enough.


big·ot
ˈbiɡət/<input width="14" height="14" style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13.33px;" type="image" src="data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAA4AAAAOCAQAAAC1QeVaAAAAi0lEQVQokWNgQAYyQFzGsIJBnwED8DNcBpK+DM8YfjMUokqxMRxg+A9m8TJsBLLSEFKMDCuBAv/hCncxfGWQhUn2gaVAktkMXkBSHmh0OwNU8D9csoHhO4MikN7BcAGb5H+GYiDdCTQYq2QubkkkY/E6CLtXdiJ7BTMQMnAHXxFm6IICvhwY8AYQLgCw2U9d90B8BAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==">
noun
  1. a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

Check.

rac·ist
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noun
  • 1.
    a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
Solid maybe, there.


You judge all white south Africans based upon one you say you met.  

There are a lot of reasons why someone might abandon their home country, most of them having to do with something not real nice happening in that home country.  

You lot of leftist asswipes assumed my friends are white.  Assumptions are always tricky.  One is white.  The other is not.

I popped back into FS to see if anything has changed.  It hasn't.  The left are still racist, marxist and bloodthirsty bastards and probably always will be. 

Well, perhaps one day they will gain power in this country and if history is any guide, they will get what they deserve... good and hard.  If events unfold in S.A. as they have in the past in similar situations, we'll get yet another example of the ultimate destiny of marxists.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:20-03-2018 08:28:45Copy HTML

Reply to alaskaone

Reply to Yobbo

Reply to Segovia_del_Prado

 Yobbo once again proves there's no bitter bigot the equal of Jeffie.  Oh, well, there's always Trin.

Would you like to explain and tell me how I'm a bigot?  Perhaps you can tell me how Trin, whoever Trin may be, is similar.


Simple enough.


big·ot
ˈbiɡət/<input width="14" height="14" style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13.33px;" type="image" src="data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAA4AAAAOCAQAAAC1QeVaAAAAi0lEQVQokWNgQAYyQFzGsIJBnwED8DNcBpK+DM8YfjMUokqxMRxg+A9m8TJsBLLSEFKMDCuBAv/hCncxfGWQhUn2gaVAktkMXkBSHmh0OwNU8D9csoHhO4MikN7BcAGb5H+GYiDdCTQYq2QubkkkY/E6CLtXdiJ7BTMQMnAHXxFm6IICvhwY8AYQLgCw2U9d90B8BAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==">
noun
  1. a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

Check.

rac·ist
ˈrāsəst/<input width="14" height="14" style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13.33px;" type="image" src="data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAA4AAAAOCAQAAAC1QeVaAAAAi0lEQVQokWNgQAYyQFzGsIJBnwED8DNcBpK+DM8YfjMUokqxMRxg+A9m8TJsBLLSEFKMDCuBAv/hCncxfGWQhUn2gaVAktkMXkBSHmh0OwNU8D9csoHhO4MikN7BcAGb5H+GYiDdCTQYq2QubkkkY/E6CLtXdiJ7BTMQMnAHXxFm6IICvhwY8AYQLgCw2U9d90B8BAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==">
noun
  • 1.
    a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
Solid maybe, there.


You judge all white south Africans based upon one you say you met.  

There are a lot of reasons why someone might abandon their home country, most of them having to do with something not real nice happening in that home country.  

You lot of leftist asswipes assumed my friends are white.  Assumptions are always tricky.  One is white.  The other is not.

I popped back into FS to see if anything has changed.  It hasn't.  The left are still racist, marxist and bloodthirsty bastards and probably always will be. 

Well, perhaps one day they will gain power in this country and if history is any guide, they will get what they deserve... good and hard.  If events unfold in S.A. as they have in the past in similar situations, we'll get yet another example of the ultimate destiny of marxists.



you have gone further off the deep end. Bloodthirsty? Who's bloodthirsty? Maybe you are for thinking that the only way that this situation could be resolved, is by not doing anything to alleviate the poverty when there are farmers who have inherited stolen land as much as 7 square miles large? Is it possible, Alaska, that white farmers could give up enough of their land in a way that they could live comfortably and poverty is alleviated in the black population?


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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:21-03-2018 02:58:57Copy HTML

 kill  all the white farmers - take over their land - and the same people will wonder why in approx 5-10 years there is going to be a massive famine in the area.... 

people learn nothing from history... 
Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment.....except for the election of Donald Trump.
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:21-03-2018 03:16:04Copy HTML

Reply to cathymv

 kill  all the white farmers - take over their land - and the same people will wonder why in approx 5-10 years there is going to be a massive famine in the area.... 
people learn nothing from history... 

where have all white farmers been killed Cathy?
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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