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alaskaone
  • From:USA

Date Posted:09-03-2018 11:43:09Copy HTML

I've been friends with a woman in South Africa since the 1980's so I kind of pay attention to what goes on there.  Her description of S.A. since the end of apartheid differs significantly from the media's depiction which shouldn't surprise anyone, really.

If you haven't heard, last week the government of south africa kicked the Boers off of their land.  The Boers are still being held responsible for any mortgage notes on the land that they no longer own but most of them have said, fuck off.

Generally speaking, when something like this happens, you can start the clock on the famine and genocide.  My friend isn't a farmer but she and her husband have faced relentless abuse and discrimination since the end of apartheid.  They left the country several times because her husband could not get a job because he's white.  They own, for the moment, a house so they returned from Tanzania because they got tired of malaria and they'd hoped things had settled down in S.A. during their absence.

It hasn't.

UPDATE: White South Africans face genocide...

Their eldest daughter got a job as an au pair in North Carolina, she arrives the end of this month so she's safe for a while.  The rest of them are stuck in S.A.  One of the reasons behind my sudden interest in cryptocurrency is the possibility it offers for me to get them money fast hopefully without governmental interference. 

US history in regard to refugees of genocide is spotty, at best, so getting them out of there seems hopeless.  Given that almost no mainstream media coverage of this is happening, it seems unlikely to me that unka sam will give the same warn welcome he's been giving to somalis or syrians and I doubt any of the EU will, either.  Maybe the Dutch but I doubt it.

There has been coverage of the events in S.A.  It's come from independent journalists on Youtube and my admiration for Youtube grows despite it's hostility toward (classical)liberal and conservative views.  It's come a long way from cat videos... if you care to look about.

One of the more prominent independent journalists is Lauren Southern.  Here's some of her work on current events in S.A.

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  • From:New_zealand

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:21-03-2018 11:58:28Copy HTML

The South African natives were only too pleased to see the white, racist bastards leave.
I'm only too sorry some of them have migrated here.
We will have to get ideas of how to make them go away.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:22-03-2018 01:48:51Copy HTML

Zimbabwe.  Now S.A.


What did you think this thread was about?
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:22-03-2018 02:29:07Copy HTML

Reply to alaskaone

Zimbabwe.  Now S.A.


What did you think this thread was about?

All the white farmers have been killed? Where?
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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  • From:USA

Re:South Africa

Date Posted:22-03-2018 03:39:49Copy HTML

 Be patient.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:22-03-2018 11:46:47Copy HTML

Reply to Windies

Reply to alaskaone

Zimbabwe.  Now S.A.


What did you think this thread was about?

All the white farmers have been killed? Where?



https://www.news24.com/Africa/Zimbabwe/white-farmers-killers-should-not-be-prosecuted-mugabe-declares-20170815


ZIMBABWE: BAD PUBLICITY OVER WHITE FARMER KILLINGS 'UNFAIR,' SAYS MUGABE ALLY


and this is what I mean about not knowing history... obviously like some people here:  



he Zimbabwean experience tells us is that the notion of expropriation without compensation 

is a bad idea. Zimbabweans might have seized the land without compensation 18 years ago, but they

 collectively paid for it through eight consecutive years of economic decline that led to job losses,

 deindustrialization and a loss of agricultural export revenues. In 2009, economist Eddie


 Cross estimated the cost of Zimbabwe’s land reform at $20 billion–which included lost export

 revenues,

 food aid imports and economic growth foregone, which could’ve sustained Zimbabwe’s once promising


 economy, had it not seized farms without compensation.





South africa is going to spiral down if they continue to attack/kill/decimate their bread basket... food

shortages and famine will follow.... and then they will have no one to blame but themselves.... 

Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment.....except for the election of Donald Trump.
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:22-03-2018 02:01:22Copy HTML

Reply to alaskaone

 Be patient.

So you are speaking about something that hasn't happened as if it is fact.
That would be lying, would it not?
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:22-03-2018 03:42:07Copy HTML

 

IF WHITE farmers want to flee for a “racist country” like Australia they should leave the keys to their houses and tractors behind, the head of South Africa’s radical Marxist opposition party says.

But Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) leader Julius Malema, who recently declared his party was “cutting the throat of whiteness”, denied white farmers were being killed. “We don’t know violence, we know negotiations,” Malema told a packed Human Rights Day rally in Mpumalanga Stadium on Wednesday.

“And we are very robust in our engagement sometimes. A racist country like Australia says: ‘The white farmers are being killed in South Africa.’ We are not killing them. Now Australia says: ‘Malema, EFF want to kill white farmers, they must come to Australia.’

“If they want to go, they must go. They must leave the keys to their tractors because we want to work the land, they must leave the keys to their houses because we want to stay in those houses. They must leave everything they did not come here with in South Africa and go to Australia.”

His comments came as Australian Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton stared down criticism from “crazy lefties” as he pushed on with plans to bring white South African farmers to Australia.

“They don’t realise how completely dead they are to me,” Mr Dutton told Sydney radio station 2GB on Thursday.

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‘ONLY RACISTS WENT TO AUSTRALIA’

Malema, who was convicted of hate speech in 2011 for singing the apartheid-era revolutionary song Shoot the Boer, Kill the Farmer and in 2016 told supporters he was “not calling for the slaughter of white people‚ at least for now”, said farmers should “leave quietly”.

“We’re too busy,” he said. “Don’t make noise, because you will irritate us. Go to Australia. It is only racists who went to Australia when Mandela got out of prison. It is only racists who went to Australia when 1994 came. It is the racists again who are going back to Australia.”

But he said they would be “poor in Australia”. “They are rich here because they are exploiting black people. There is no black person to be exploited in Australia, they are going to be poor.

“They will come back here with their tail between their legs. We will hire them because we will be the owners of their farms when they come back to South Africa. As to what we are going to do with the land, it’s our business, it’s none of your business.

“We want Africa back. Africa belongs to our people.

“We are saying that which our people were killed for ... has not been achieved, and therefore we will continue with that struggle. When we say so, they say we are racist, they say we want to kill white people. Why would we kill white people?

“Our mothers and fathers are not murderers. The white settlers found them here, they killed them, they forcefully removed them, yet our people kept on saying: ‘Let’s talk.’

“Today we say: ‘Let’s talk like our parents kept on saying to you. Let’s talk about how we are going to expropriate land without compensation.’ Then when we say so, they say we want to kill them.”

Last month, South Africa’s parliament voted in favour of a motion, brought by the EFF and supported by the ruling African National Congress, to begin the process of expropriating white-owned land without compensation.

A 2017 government audit found white people owned 72 per cent of farmland in South Africa. According to the 2011 census, there are about 4.6 million white people in South Africa, accounting for 8.9 per cent of the population.

The racially charged issue of land rights and farm murders has been the subject of fierce debate in the country and internationally.

According to civil rights group Afriforum, which represents around 200,000 white farmers largely from the Afrikaner minority, 82 people were killed in a record 423 attacks on farms last year. In 2018 so far, there have already been 109 attacks and more than 15 murders.

Afriforum says it is forced to compile its own numbers because the South African government — which denies the attacks are racially motivated or that white farmers are killed in disproportionate numbers — stopped releasing farm murder statistics in 2008.

“Our rural areas are trapped in a crime war,” Afriforum head of safety Ian Cameron said in a statement, adding that torture with irons, blowtorches, melted plastic and boiling water often continued for hours during the attacks.

“Although the South African government denies that a violence crisis is staring rural areas in the face, the numbers prove that excessive violence plague these areas. Government cannot deny the facts — our people are being mowed down.”

‘PEOPLE ARE BEING SAVAGELY ATTACKED’

Mr Dutton outraged South Africa’s government earlier this month when he floated the idea of fast-tracked humanitarian visas for white South African farmers, saying they faced “horrific circumstances” and needed help from a “civilised country”.

“The South African government is offended by the statements which have been attributed to the Australian Home Affairs Minister and a full retraction is expected,” South Africa’s foreign ministry said in a statement at the time.

“That threat does not exist. There is no reason for any government in the world to suspect that a section of South Africans is under danger from their own democratically elected government.”

On Thursday, Mr Dutton said he was unperturbed by “mean cartoons” and negative media coverage. “We just get on with making decisions that we need to,” he told 2GB.

He insisted he was blind to skin colour and would continue to bring in migrants based on the national interest. “It concerns me that people are being persecuted at the moment — that’s the reality — the numbers of people dying or being savagely attacked in South Africa is a reality,” he said.

“We’re looking at ways we can help people to migrate to Australia if they’re finding themselves in that situation.”

Mr Dutton said he had been inundated with messages of support and references to particular cases of white South African farmers in need of help. “We’ll start to work through those and if people meet the criteria under the program then they’ll settle under the program here,” he said.

“If people think I’m going to cower or take a backward step because of their nonsense, fabricated, fake news criticism, then they’ve got another thing coming.”

Mr Dutton’s offer was earlier branded as “out-and-out-racist” by Greens leader Richard Di Natale and was slapped down by Foreign Minister Julie Bishop, but supported by former Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Liberal Democrats Senator David Leyonhjelm.

On Thursday, Nationals MP Andrew Broad called on his Coalition colleagues to reconsider the offer, warning South Africa could face food shortages if white farmers left. “The black South African farmers certainly have not proven themselves,” Mr Broad told ABC radio.

“They need the skill-set of the white South African farmers if they’re going to have any chance of feeding the population. If we take away the farmers from South Africa, we rob them of the capacity to farm that ground and ultimately feed the population.”

An estimated 500,000 white South Africans have left the country over the past three decades, with more than 200,000 settling in Australia.

frank.chung@news.com.au

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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:22-03-2018 04:21:57Copy HTML

so confiscation is just fine.... 


I see a coming famine on the horizon.... 

who will they blame then? 
Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment.....except for the election of Donald Trump.
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:22-03-2018 06:20:40Copy HTML

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so confiscation is just fine.... 

I see a coming famine on the horizon.... 

who will they blame then? 

well Cathy, confiscation is always the policy of the day in South Africa. Seemed South Africa did well with the last round of confiscation. Why do you think this time it will lead to famine? 
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 01:12:26Copy HTML

 I sincerely hope that when the farmers strike out for Australia, they tear down all the fences, burn the barns and pour sand in all the tractors.  S. Africa should look exactly like the Shenandoah Valley after Sheridan passed through.
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 01:13:28Copy HTML

Reply to Yobbo

The South African natives were only too pleased to see the white, racist bastards leave.
I'm only too sorry some of them have migrated here.
We will have to get ideas of how to make them go away.


what's this "we" shit;  you got a mouse in your pocket?
“The truth is like a lion, you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose, it will defend itself.” St. Augustine
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 01:52:38Copy HTML

By "we"  I mean New Zealanders. 
Hardly hear a good word about Yarpies from New Zealanders.  Some of the Anglophones are passable but not the Afrikaaners -
I haven't met one who isn't horrible.
Most of them would fit in well in Dixie.

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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 01:57:42Copy HTML

Reply to Segovia_del_Prado

Reply to Yobbo

The South African natives were only too pleased to see the white, racist bastards leave.
I'm only too sorry some of them have migrated here.
We will have to get ideas of how to make them go away.


what's this "we" shit;  you got a mouse in your pocket?

Bones could not be as tired of the "vicious, vulgar, and absolutely disgusting crap" as he says he is. He really could not be.
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 02:54:09Copy HTML

I don't think there is a mouse in his pocket, they really are horrible nasty mean racist drunks. I don't think they would care for them in Australia. They are a different kettle than most of us want to know, although some here would enjoy them if you approved of the south before civil rights, legless.
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 03:23:08Copy HTML

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Reply to alaskaone

 Be patient.

So you are speaking about something that hasn't happened as if it is fact.
That would be lying, would it not?

It is happening.
Mass murder and ethnic cleansing takes time.  Be patient, you will get what you want.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 03:26:01Copy HTML

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Reply to alaskaone

 Be patient.

So you are speaking about something that hasn't happened as if it is fact.
That would be lying, would it not?

It is happening.
Mass murder and ethnic cleansing takes time.  Be patient, you will get what you want.

Can you give me a list of the mass murders in South Africa? I'm looking for those that involve white farmers.
..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 03:48:33Copy HTML

Can you tell me at what number, in your mind, attacks against a particular group of people scattered all over constitutes mass murder?

Currently, the government of s.a. calls the torture, rape and murders of boers, “robberies gone wrong’.  And, of course, there is the confiscation of all their property without compensation which means they will soon be homeless in addition to legally unemployable.


Today, my friends husband was fired to comply with the governments race quotas.


So, yeah.  Sit tight, enjoy the show.  

“sadly Deons contract ended and they did not renew -  got the news today so back to square one = I am soooo tired.  fucked in the worst way - I am so done“
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 04:04:19Copy HTML

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Can you tell me at what number, in your mind, attacks against a particular group of people scattered all over constitutes mass murder?

Currently, the government of s.a. calls the torture, rape and murders of boers, “robberies gone wrong’.  And, of course, there is the confiscation of all their property without compensation which means they will soon be homeless in addition to legally unemployable.


Today, my friends husband was fired to comply with the governments race quotas.


So, yeah.  Sit tight, enjoy the show.  

You were the one who brought up the mass murders Alaska, so i expect you to provide the proof. 
The government of SA always sanctioned torture and murders. To be honest, they did not affect your friends, but do you know what they thought about it when it happened time and time again to others?

What is your friends' husband qualified to do. Because 8% unemployment among white men means that the majority of white men are finding employment even with the quotas.

..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Date Posted:23-03-2018 04:05:52Copy HTML

“I really don't know feel like a bus hit me - tomorrow need to go to a bd party with gabby and already dreading it - not feeling like sitting with a fake smile and all happy”
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 04:10:50Copy HTML

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Reply to alaskaone

Can you tell me at what number, in your mind, attacks against a particular group of people scattered all over constitutes mass murder?

Currently, the government of s.a. calls the torture, rape and murders of boers, “robberies gone wrong’.  And, of course, there is the confiscation of all their property without compensation which means they will soon be homeless in addition to legally unemployable.


Today, my friends husband was fired to comply with the governments race quotas.


So, yeah.  Sit tight, enjoy the show.  

You were the one who brought up the mass murders Alaska, so i expect you to provide the proof. 
The government of SA always sanctioned torture and murders. To be honest, they did not affect your friends, but do you know what they thought about it when it happened time and time again to others?

What is your friends' husband qualified to do. Because 8% unemployment among white men means that the majority of white men are finding employment even with the quotas.


Did it occur to you that s.a. government statistics may not be reliable?  
Were this the 1930’s, you would be accepting at face value the statements of the nazi government, “yeah, all is well here”?
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 04:16:14Copy HTML

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Reply to Windies

Reply to alaskaone

Can you tell me at what number, in your mind, attacks against a particular group of people scattered all over constitutes mass murder?

Currently, the government of s.a. calls the torture, rape and murders of boers, “robberies gone wrong’.  And, of course, there is the confiscation of all their property without compensation which means they will soon be homeless in addition to legally unemployable.


Today, my friends husband was fired to comply with the governments race quotas.


So, yeah.  Sit tight, enjoy the show.  

You were the one who brought up the mass murders Alaska, so i expect you to provide the proof. 
The government of SA always sanctioned torture and murders. To be honest, they did not affect your friends, but do you know what they thought about it when it happened time and time again to others?

What is your friends' husband qualified to do. Because 8% unemployment among white men means that the majority of white men are finding employment even with the quotas.


Did it occur to you that s.a. government statistics may not be reliable?  
Were this the 1930’s, you would be accepting at face value the statements of the nazi government, “yeah, all is well here”?


Alaska, i don't know how to break this to you, but SA government statistics have never been reliable. Do you know how many black men killed themselves in prison, or fell down stairs and died? That's all in the government statistics. 

See Alaska, I am not South African, nor do i have friends who are South African. I didn't need that to know what was going on in South Africa. Seems you just found out how South Africa operates because i now affects you directly or indirectly. Maybe if there was enough of that caring many moons ago, we would not be where we are now.

Now, do you think that there is a compromise that can be found between white farmers having farms as big as seven square miles and the majority of black South Africans living in poverty?





..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 04:24:37Copy HTML

You can be as snide, arrogant and offensive as you want.  I know what you are and expect nothing decent from you.

Marxism will have the same result in SA as it has had everywhere else it has been done.


Enjoy the show.
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 04:29:21Copy HTML

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You can be as snide, arrogant and offensive as you want.  I know what you are and expect nothing decent from you.

Marxism will have the same result in SA as it has had everywhere else it has been done.


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What system allowed land to be taken away from people and given in large amounts to others? Was that capitalism?
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 04:36:22Copy HTML

No, it was invasion and colonization.  Same as had been happening in that area and all the world since the dawn of time.

The locals were hunter/gatherers, were they not?
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 04:41:32Copy HTML

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No, it was invasion and colonization.  Same as had been happening in that area and all the world since the dawn of time.

No, it was Apartheid. you do understand that Apartheid ended in 1991 right? Long after the dawn of time
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Date Posted:23-03-2018 04:49:54Copy HTML

Seriously?
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 04:57:08Copy HTML

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Seriously?

Yeah. Apartheid is not colonization or invasion.
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Re:South Africa

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Alaskaone, your patience is astounding.  
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 05:00:00Copy HTML

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Alaskaone, your patience is astounding.  

It's not patience, it's arrogant ignorance. 
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Re:South Africa

Date Posted:23-03-2018 05:18:31Copy HTML

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Seriously?

Yeah. Apartheid is not colonization or invasion.

And how did the whites get there, Windies?  You think SA sprang into existence with apartheid?  That it was a wakandan paradise prior?
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