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Yekyua
  • From:USA

Date Posted:07-12-2017 01:34:19Copy HTML

Dispatch from West LA - smoke and ash in air but no direct danger to any in circle of friends and extended family.  

Daughter teaches at UCLA - classes were cancelled today, as the north side of campus abuts foothills of Santa Monica mountains near Brentwood.  Power in Westwood Village was out for most of area, but the campus complex which includes major Medical Centers and associated hospitals are operating on internal power.  

That brings count to four major fires - the oldest and most destructive near Ventura, about 60 miles north, the next in northern end of San Fernando Valley near the cities of Sylmar and Sunlnd, and yet another in Santa Clarita area.  

The latest broke out this AM in the hills above the Sepulveda Pass, where the 405 connects West Los Angeles with the San Fernando Valley. Early morning commuters actually felt the heat as they made their way over the pass through blazing hills - the 405 was shut down for many hours.  

His enemies may be secretly gratified to know that FOX CEO Rupert Murdoch's nine acre estate and vineyard in Bel Air is  threatened by the fire, as are several other multi million dollar properties.  

If you're familiar with the geography of LA area, you'll be aware how the wildfires can race across the many chapparel and combustible wooded areas that surround the basin, move through the many inhabited canyons on Pacific Coast Highway.  Or vice versa - many interconnected paths.  Like earthquakes, conflagrations go with territory.  

Conditions are ideal (for fire).  Last year, lots of rain=abundant, dry vegetation to fuel firestorms.  It's extremely arid (humidity is around 7%), the Santa Ana winds will be roaring in from mountain ranges to the east.  Winds are predicted to pick up, reach up to 70-80 mile gusts tonight.  Where this occurs, firefighting will be virtually impossible. Tremendously tense and frustrating situation, I can only imagine how it must be for evacuees and those who've already suffered losses. Hoping and praying for best but not optimistic.  


 
O ye wha are sae guid yoursel', Sae pious and sae holy, Ye've nought to do but mark and tell Your neibours' fauts and folly! -- Robert Burns (Address to the Unco Guid)
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  • From:USA

Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:07-12-2017 01:38:09Copy HTML


What commuters on 405 were looking at going over Sepulveda Pass early this morning.

 
O ye wha are sae guid yoursel', Sae pious and sae holy, Ye've nought to do but mark and tell Your neibours' fauts and folly! -- Robert Burns (Address to the Unco Guid)
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  • From:USA

Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:07-12-2017 01:43:49Copy HTML

It's been a horrible year for fires in CA., my niece and family were in the Santa Rosa fires and have now moved to Oceanside.
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  • From:USA

Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:07-12-2017 01:45:29Copy HTML

 This terrible thing going on and all cnn reported today was trump this, trump that....Praying for all those involved in this dreadful fire. 
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  • From:USA

Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:07-12-2017 01:46:09Copy HTML



I read 'Smoke Jumper' and it was one of the best books I've read.  A lot of the book took place in California.  Those fires can be devastating to both residents and the jumper crew.  The fire can be so fast, so hot, and so concentrated that one house can be gone in a couple of minutes while the house next door isn't touched.  A disastrous natural occurrence that many times is started by a streak of lighting.


If you permit yourself to become too open-minded, your brains could fall out.
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  • From:USA

Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:07-12-2017 01:49:03Copy HTML

Likewise have several relatives in immediate area of No Cal fires Katie - closest were in Mendocino County, near Redwood Valley and Clear lake.  Yes, it's been an awful year.  All we need now (and I almost hesitate to type it) is a quake.
O ye wha are sae guid yoursel', Sae pious and sae holy, Ye've nought to do but mark and tell Your neibours' fauts and folly! -- Robert Burns (Address to the Unco Guid)
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  • From:USA

Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:07-12-2017 01:57:57Copy HTML

It's those damnable winds and the aridity that's not only perfect for firestorms but also kind of crazy-making on their own.  Skin itches, eyes burn and tear, and for me and others I've talked to, produce general jittery state.  Then there's the smoke.  Not seriously complaining, they're minor afflictions compared to those directly impacted.  A lot of those fire areas are dotted with equestrian centers and ranches, just learned tragically 27 horses didn't make it out of one.  

O ye wha are sae guid yoursel', Sae pious and sae holy, Ye've nought to do but mark and tell Your neibours' fauts and folly! -- Robert Burns (Address to the Unco Guid)
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Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:07-12-2017 02:00:25Copy HTML

 one would think with all the "ecologists" in southern California, they'd have figured out how to protect against this perennial problem.
“The truth is like a lion, you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose, it will defend itself.” St. Augustine
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Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:07-12-2017 02:11:16Copy HTML

50,000 evacuees, 15,000 homes.  And that's not counting the many animals, equine and otherwise.  
Impossible dream but It'd be nice not to get the usual fruit and nut crapola right about now.  


O ye wha are sae guid yoursel', Sae pious and sae holy, Ye've nought to do but mark and tell Your neibours' fauts and folly! -- Robert Burns (Address to the Unco Guid)
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Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:07-12-2017 02:46:34Copy HTML

Reply to Segovia_del_Prado

 one would think with all the "ecologists" in southern California, they'd have figured out how to protect against this perennial problem.

The West, NW and SW are all the major states that are victims of fire. It is not only ecologists that try and figure out to prevent what is natural or then there is arson, as in the Columbia Gorge fire attributed to fireworks or those who get off setting fires, which if I remember it was CO. that had a huge fire set by a firefighter where several died. Your concern for your fellow man and our forests is overwhelming......
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Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:07-12-2017 04:04:50Copy HTML

My cousin and her daughter live in Ukiah. That fire came within a quarter mile of their home. It's time for California to admit that environmental laws protecting highly flammable shrubbery are a disaster.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. - Thomas Jefferson Molon Labe
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Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:07-12-2017 04:14:01Copy HTML

I have many kin in Ukiah, too, DC.  Four cousins, plus their kids and grandkids for total of 10!  Two live near downtown (near State St), so not affected, the other four live east of highway 101, in foothill suburb, but fire didn't get that close.  Does your cousin live out near Lake Mendocino?  
Which enviro laws are you talking about?



  

O ye wha are sae guid yoursel', Sae pious and sae holy, Ye've nought to do but mark and tell Your neibours' fauts and folly! -- Robert Burns (Address to the Unco Guid)
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  • From:USA

Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:07-12-2017 04:28:03Copy HTML

Reply to Yekyua


What commuters on 405 were looking at going over Sepulveda Pass early this morning.

 

YIKES!!!!  
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  • From:USA

Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:07-12-2017 04:30:09Copy HTML

Quick survey on shrubbery, seeing measures to regulate discourage planting of Scotch Broom as it's invasive (kind of like Kuzdu, I guess).  Probably quite a few to be examined, including deforestation laws, water conservation, and more - whether these will be revisited in light of disastrous year, who knows.  I'm mostly concerned about here and now at moment.
O ye wha are sae guid yoursel', Sae pious and sae holy, Ye've nought to do but mark and tell Your neibours' fauts and folly! -- Robert Burns (Address to the Unco Guid)
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Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:07-12-2017 05:01:23Copy HTML

Reply to Yekyua

I have many kin in Ukiah, too, DC.  Four cousins, plus their kids and grandkids for total of 10!  Two live near downtown (near State St), so not affected, the other four live east of highway 101, in foothill suburb, but fire didn't get that close.  Does your cousin live out near Lake Mendocino?  
Which enviro laws are you talking about?


The Endangered Species Act prohibited California homeowners from clearing manzanita and other highly flammable brush from their property in order protect the kangaroo rat (and one other rodent that I do not recall). The result was the loss of hundreds of homes from wildfires in the 1993, 2003, and 2007 wildfires.

I don't know if that law is still in effect.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. - Thomas Jefferson Molon Labe
Yekyua Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #15
  • From:USA

Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:07-12-2017 05:11:26Copy HTML

Nor do I.  Pretty certain there'll be, as there always is, lots of finger pointing in aftermath.

If eco-warriors didn't quite often cause more harm than good, I'd be mostly on "their side".  We've got a maddening local issue in WLA right now due to boneheaded decision to reduce major corridor from downtown LA to the Beach from four lanes to two, a "road diet" designed to encourage bicyclists.  Not only has reconfiguration resulted in major traffic jams, some six miles before the new bottleneck, emergency services are impacted, not to mention small businesses in that stretch who've lost customers due to hassle of getting to the place.  

Anyway, I realize most Cal liberals knee-jerk sign on to every harebrained scheme that seems remotely eco friendly, and I decry that blinkered mentality - right now, anxious about what night will bring.

I lived in Ventura for a brief period, heartbreaking to see the scale of destruction.  


O ye wha are sae guid yoursel', Sae pious and sae holy, Ye've nought to do but mark and tell Your neibours' fauts and folly! -- Robert Burns (Address to the Unco Guid)
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  • From:USA

Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:07-12-2017 11:44:48Copy HTML

This year has been terrible for wildfires, and the ones currently blazing a path of destruction through Southern California are shaping up to the be the worst of the worst. Remember the wildfires that devastated Northern California wine country in October? The Thomas Fire, which is the largest of the fires currently burning, is three times larger than the largest of the wine country fires.

The blazes are massive, dramatic and dangerous. Here’s why they’re so historic, and how they’re affecting everything: Traffic, weather, thousands of lives and homes, and the future of one of America’s largest, most populous cities.











They could be the most destructive in California history

There are four different fires burning in the Los Angeles area. The biggest, the Thomas fire, has already burned 96,000 acres north of Los Angeles – an area more than twice the size of Washington, DC. In fact, it is on pace to become one of the most destructive fires in the state’s history. It’s also raging at a shocking pace. At one point, it spread over 31,000 acres in about nine hours. That’s an acre a second.

Together, the four fires – the Thomas and Rye fires, which are north of LA, and the Creek and Skirball fires, which are directly in the LA metro area, have burned more than 116,000 acres.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/12/us/wildfire-los-angeles-images-big-picture/index.html





Comprehensive overview, above from CNN if you're interested, including diagrams explaining geographical and meteorological factors.  101 is closed between Ventura and Santa Barbara, 405 is open to traffic now.
News is not as bad as it could be today - but none of the four major fires are more than 15% contained.  Winds didn't reach velocities predicted last night, so today's picture could have been much worse.  The fire in heart of LA near Bel Air and Brentwood at least didn't jump to west side of 405.  A small brush fire was quickly extinguished further north on coastal hills of Malibu - another piece of good news, as potential for spread to hills and canyons along PCH, many heavily populated, would have been high.  

Worrying is another outbreak in San Diego County, don't know status at moment.
The hard fact is that successfully containing fires in current climatic conditions is an impossible task. These conditions and resultant destruction have occurred many times in the past, and will continue to do so.  The only things that can be done is to minimize loss of human life, and, wherever feasible, property.  

Excellent though pessimistic article below in Slate about the inevitability of large-scale fire catastrophes, and why they will continue to periodically occur, losses escalating in future. Population growth, natural and built environments more and more intermingled - short of paving huge swathes of land around population centers, habitation exists, no effective remedy against threat.     

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/07/we_keep_saying_the_same_things_about_wildfires.html

(copy and paste url - Aimoo's link feature is broken)

The idiots who are also gloating that firestorms represent God's retribution for wicked Hollywood types or 'fruits and nuts' ought to be sentenced to suit up (50-70 pounds of gear), dropped on fire lines and dig trenches or something while contemplating contemptible sentiments. 

O ye wha are sae guid yoursel', Sae pious and sae holy, Ye've nought to do but mark and tell Your neibours' fauts and folly! -- Robert Burns (Address to the Unco Guid)
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  • From:USA

Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:08-12-2017 01:45:08Copy HTML

 Sorry if I missed it...but is it natural causes? 
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  • From:USA

Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:08-12-2017 02:01:34Copy HTML

I've been watching coverage and reading, QZ - don't know.  Oddly, no mention heard of causes, or suspected arsonists.  Which isn't to say none were advanced.

These conditions just could not be worse (combination of more fuel from last years heavy rain, vegetation dried out by extraordinary, sustained aridity, no recent fires plus Santa Anas) - wouldn't take much at all.  A carelessly flipped cigarette would easily spark conflagration.  There are quite a few homeless encampments in and around Ventura area, possibly a campfire.  I speculate since I know of no lightning recently they're human caused, beyond that, can't say. 

Ed - looked around specifically for conjectures, and there really are none - for one thing, explained one article, because these fires moved so fast the exact point of origin can't be pinpointed.  There'll be investigation once they're contained I'm sure but up until now, causes unknown.  
O ye wha are sae guid yoursel', Sae pious and sae holy, Ye've nought to do but mark and tell Your neibours' fauts and folly! -- Robert Burns (Address to the Unco Guid)
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Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:08-12-2017 04:27:21Copy HTML

 until about a year ago, I had good friends who had little "ranches" in those SoCal hills, and I'd worry myself sick when these damn brush fires started popping up every year.  Happily, they've all gotten the hell out of that God forsaken place, with their horses, for good. 
“The truth is like a lion, you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose, it will defend itself.” St. Augustine
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Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:08-12-2017 04:35:29Copy HTML

Major wildfires aren't unique to Southern California, Segovia - see (among other and only recently) Arizona, Tennesee, Florida, Washington State.  All regions in the US have natural disasters.  If it's not hurricanes and/or tornadoes, it's flooding, blizzards, tremendous heat.  We all accept tradeoffs, risk-wise for perceived benefits, many subjective in nature.  
I've never understood or related to hostility, even hatred for a region. 
O ye wha are sae guid yoursel', Sae pious and sae holy, Ye've nought to do but mark and tell Your neibours' fauts and folly! -- Robert Burns (Address to the Unco Guid)
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Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:08-12-2017 01:08:35Copy HTML

 Oh, of course you have, if it's the south. 
California is one of the most beautiful places on earth. It's the perfect environment to nurture a civilization.  Unfortunately, it's been infested with people who don't have a lick of sense.
“The truth is like a lion, you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose, it will defend itself.” St. Augustine
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Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:08-12-2017 04:29:07Copy HTML

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***U P D A T E (as of 08:20)***
Good Morning Southern California, Looking for horse trailers and ranches or land clear of burn path that may be used to help relocate horses from fire paths. Currently there are 1,000 plus that need to be evacuated asap, so please if you or someone you know has access to one please connect us.

*** UPDATE***�We were able to rescue and relocate 383 horses throughout the night, Most of which are healthy and doing well. We are looking to regroup as many that volunteered throughout the night need to to rest and regroup. At this time have we have 21 trailers engaged in routes and another 4 in route with trailers to Shadow Hills, Thomas Fire (ventura county) Santa Barbara, Rye fire, Creek Fire, Skirkball fire, Liberty and Lilac fire in San Diego County at this time, however more are needed given the volume and proximity to fires. If you have the time to roll to either location or Know of anyone with horses that also needs support please contact me ASAP.

Link below is a hub to Thomas Fire:
http://zello.com/thomasfiresocal
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If You Need Assistance at your Property with Horse Transport Here are some people ready to go this morning:
Trcai (310) 701-1033
Jerry (626) 494-0924
Yalaisa (805) 257-7007
Lacey (904) 334-2909
Mark (949) 324-0189
Cheyenne (310) 686-8566
Mike (714) 393-6453
Barbie (951) 775-2534
Lisa (805) 570-0026
Alisa (209)559-5672
Deanna (661) 714-7293
Nancy (818) 429-0205
Jim (805) 558-7100
Kim (303) 917-0094
Sean (815) 861-3005
Kaitlynn (928) 580-3634
Jessica (818) 231-3511
Rachel (818) 624-4204
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Individuals Offering Shelter:
Sarah (818) 263-6173 (Ojai)
Katelynn (931) 436-4848 (Creek)
Kelly (818) 652-4721 (Creek)
Artelle (661) 305-9371 (Creek)
Elizabeth (619) 588-0661 (Creek)
Meg (661) 350-2782 (Creek)
Jessica (818) 231-3511 (Creek)
Rachel (818) 624-4204 (Creek)
Amy (661) 599-0710 (Creek)
Nancy (818) 429-0205 (Creek)

Ranches and Companies offering Shelter:
Sanctuary Located in Goleta, 9 miles North of Santa Barbara Airport, 50 multi acre paddocks, 100 stalls and almost 100 acres of Sectioned off graze Land for Horses. Call Janna Sorrells at (805) 451-2126.

W Farms - Chino Hills
Lights are on, Stables bedded, fresh hay and water await. They have three board fenced pastures with run and sheds that can handle llamas and sheep as well. Please call Amanda Barr Olson at (909) 287-4533

HITS Horse Shoe (Hits Thermal) in Riverside is now taking horses. Please call (845) 246-8833

NexStar Ranch:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/NexStarRanch/about/?ref=page_internal

Enchantment Farms in Temecula has space for 15 - 20 horses! Location: 37250 Conquistador Place. They have a full staff onsite to help receive and care for horses. Contact (714) 251-0375.

Rancho Pacifica in Temecula can also take in 60-80 horses too. Call (951) 551-2134

Industry Hills Expo Center has space. Please call
(626) 330-0324

2 acres full fence in lancaster. Please Call Karim Quintero
(323)557 932

1000 acres In Clovis Ca , fenced about 20 minutes out of Clovis Foothill property. Please call Robert Ghioldi (559)-908-0759

Show Park, just east from Del Mar racetrack on Via De La Valle off I-5:
(858) 794-1171
14550 El Camino Real
Del Mar, CA 92014

San Diego Polo Fields:
(858) 481-9217
14555 El Camino Real
Del Mar, CA 92014

Challenge Ranch in El Cajon has space. Please call
(619) 445-0598

5 Acres fenced, 6 stall barn, run - in, elec. and water. Fresh hay available, safe and Secure. Call Steffani - 941-275-0074

Talley Meadows has space Please call (951)453-6415

BriarCliff in Menifee has space please call (951) 246-7200

Southern Action:
Del Mar Race is now open for evacuees through the Stable Gate. Call 858-755-1161. Evacuees are encouraged to bring bedding, feed & horse identification.
Private land in Hidden Meadows that’s North Escondido Please contact Mary P. Bell via Messenger.
Thank you in advance

 
“The truth is like a lion, you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose, it will defend itself.” St. Augustine
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  • From:USA

Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:08-12-2017 07:22:09Copy HTML

Terrific information, Segovia.  Thanks for posting. Awful to think of how panicked those animals must be.  I was just thinking of Katies relatives who moved from Santa Rosa to Oceanside. :-(
For the record, I've NEVER blanket-indicted the south or its population.  It's a pet peeve (knee jerk regional stereotyping), have been in several go rounds with our resident Southern phobe (he'll cheerfully admit to it, btw) on that very subject.
O ye wha are sae guid yoursel', Sae pious and sae holy, Ye've nought to do but mark and tell Your neibours' fauts and folly! -- Robert Burns (Address to the Unco Guid)
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Re:Southern California Fires

Date Posted:04-12-2018 01:22:30Copy HTML

Can't find the thread where Trump praises Finland for what he claimes was raking their forests.


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