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Tomlapaz
  • From:USA

Date Posted:04-09-2017 06:27:20

The fossil record really does not support evolution.      Folk may respond that there are other evidences that do - but true or not, that does not change the fact that the fossil record itself does not support it.

https://answersingenesis.org/fossils/fossil-record/hopeful-monsters-of-evolution/

Since the time of Darwin, evolutionists have looked to the fossil record for historical evidence of evolution. Most evolutionists now concede, however, that the fossil record fails to show the progressive transformation of any living organism into a distinctly different kind of organism. This has presented some nasty difficulties for evolutionists—but they have made it clear that they will not be dissuaded by the mere lack of evidence, nor will they turn to a Creator to explain this enigma. Rather, evolutionists hope that monsters may come to their rescue!


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  • From:New_zealand

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:04-09-2017 09:21:21

 Oh dear!
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:04-09-2017 06:00:45

 The fossil record really does not support evolution.

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Yes it really does. And no, evolutionists do not concede that it does not clearly show transitions.  Evolutionary scientists, who creationist liars like Tomas call evolutionists...overwhelming agree the fossil record has many thousands of transitions, along with the genetic record and the living record.

Answers in Genesis are professional liars for their flock

Creationists sometimes cite what they claim to be an incomplete fossil record as evidence that living things were created in their modern forms. But this argument ignores the rich and extremely detailed record of evolutionary history that paleontologists and other biologists have constructed over the past two centuries and are continuing to construct. Paleontological research has filled in many of the parts of the fossil record that were incomplete in Charles Darwin's time. The claim that the fossil record is "full of gaps" that undermine evolution is simply false. Indeed, paleontologists now know enough about the ages of sediments to predict where they will be able to find particularly significant transitional fossils, as happened with Tiktaalik and the ancestors of modern humans. Researchers also are using new techniques, such as computed axial tomography (CT), to learn even more about the internal structures and composition of delicate bones of fossils. Exciting new discoveries of fossils continue to be reported in both the scientific literature and popular media.

Another compelling feature of the fossil record is its consistency. Nowhere on Earth are fossils from dinosaurs, which went extinct 65 million years ago, found together with fossils from humans, who evolved in just the last few million years. Nowhere are the fossils of mammals found in sediments that are more than about 220 million years old. Whenever creationists point to sediments where these relationships appear to be altered or even reversed, scientists have clearly demonstrated that this reversal has resulted from the folding of geological strata over or under others. Sediments containing the fossils of only unicellular organisms appear earlier in the fossil record than do sediments containing the remains of both unicellular and multicellular organisms. The sequence of fossils across Earth's sediments points unambiguously toward the occurrence of evolution.

http://www.nas.edu/evolution/CreationistPerspective.html

Concise answers to trash all of your creationist nonsense Tomas.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/15-answers-to-creationist/

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Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #3
  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:04-09-2017 07:19:35

I would suggest to you both (and any others that have an interest) to actually read the article linked to.

And read with care.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:05-09-2017 12:37:21

I read it Tomas. Stop with your childish bullshit of "please read it carefully", as if your pleas will make us somehow as ignorant and delusional as you are.

 Amazingly, having seen many of the transitional forms and the means of assessing them, read the studies, and  understanding the very strong transition in the genetic and biogeographic record, I know it was laughably full of shit, as is virtually everything on "answersingenesis.com. The people that brought you talking snakes, evil fruit, and populating of the world by incest (twice) are telling you that all these thousands of transitional fossils verified by the biogeographic distribution of genetics and the radiometric dating techniques PERFECTLY.....are all wrong.

Stop insulting yourself Tomas.  You are too stupid to insult us.



You can ask me to read it 100 times, that wouldn't help an idiot like you understand why you are so delusional.

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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:05-09-2017 04:58:49

So, you understand you disagree  with other evolutionists - as long as we are on the same page there.
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:05-09-2017 05:23:44

 I do not disagree with other evolutionary scientists at all.  That there are two people who call themselves evolutionists and deny the very clear fossil record is of no matter. 

No scientist on earth who is an evolutionary scientist specializing in paleontology believes the fossil record does not support evolution.  Find me your "scientists" Tomas, we can laugh at them together.

Post their work.  Cite them.  Argue their data.  You have never done so....only some worthless opinion piece from answers in genesis.  The article you posted did not cite one scientists or study who agrees with what it says.  Not one.

I post studies and explain them to you in great detail, followed by you ignoring all the data and not reading the studies.  You post bullshit and say "no it isn't" 


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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:05-09-2017 05:28:43

 Your article, with no scientific reference whatsoever, simply says "All animals and plants appear suddenly in the fossil record and are not preceded by continuous transitional stages."


This is a nothing less than a lie.  Fossils and life forms appear very very gradually in the fossil record, with a few spots that have more sudden development than others at completely different times, a result of rapid climate change and mass extinction.  But the fossil record is clear, nothing but simple one celled organisms 3.5 billion years ago, nothing but simple forms living in water 1-2 billion years ago, first land plants, then first land animals (small and simple) then bigger and bigger, then another mass extinction and mammals most recent.  The transition from vertebrate animals is themost clear, becuase they make the best fossils.  Reptiles were here for a long time before some of them evolved and became what we call birds.  The lineage is intact between those groups. 

It is a very slow gradual progression in the fossil record and the above statement is nothing more than a bold faced lie written by desperate delusional religious idiots.

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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:07-09-2017 07:29:34

That there are two people who call themselves evolutionists and deny the very clear fossil record is of no matter. 

Be honest - just two of them were noted in the article.   There are more, and it has been noted before - the problem is with you.   Evolutionists disagree with you, and you question their credentials - the problem is NEVER Skw.  It seems to be a constant theme, one that I see others pointing out more lately on the boards here.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:07-09-2017 05:48:59

 Your "evolutionists" mentioned by the article do not support your position that fossils dont support evolution Tomas. They all believe fossils do support evolution, but were telling a story of punctuation...or periods of rapid change.  Back in the 1940s, we were just learning about the past rapid changes in climate that caused mass extinctions and subsequent evolutionary explosions of new species....fully supported by the fossil record..

I am being honest...there are no evolutionary scientists who are paleontologists who think the fossil record does not support evolution. George Gaylord Simpson, quoted by the article, was an evolutionary scientist and paleontologist....not an "evolutionist"...and he said fossils were missing in 1944, which they were.  He also wrote extensivly on the fact of evolution and the fossil evidence that was clear to him, nearly 40 years ago when he died.  He fully accepted what fossils existed at the time told the story, there are many many many thousands more today.

Your other scientist in the article, quoted nearly 100 years ago.....LOL...was also a believer in the fossil record supporting evolution.

Seriously, 1940 is the most recent shit they could come up with.  LOL  Goldschmidt, Schindewolf, and Simpson were all fully accepting of the long road of evolution, they were discovering punctuation based on periods of very rapid climate change (geologically).   Since their heyday in science 100 years ago, we have discovered literally hundreds of thousands of more transitions.

There are millions of transitional fossils.  The ocean is covered in many meters of the remains of planktonic organisms that have formed sedimentary rock and paint a very clear picture that you ignore.


Find me a single living paleontologist that says the fossils say evolution didn't happen.  Even your dead ones above dont do that.  One.  

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  • From:New_zealand

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:08-09-2017 04:05:31

 Only the terminally ignorant deny evolution.
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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:08-09-2017 05:34:56

 The answers in genesis bullshit above is quote-mining three guys who last published in the 1940s, and all of which who accepted the reality of evolution without question, but were merely saying there were some gaps, which led them to punctuated equilibrium, or the theory that evolution changes pace with changes in climate (the environmental template).

It has since been proven correct and many more hundreds of thousands of fossil transitions have been found.

Tomas is a dishonest liar.

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  • From:New_zealand

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:09-09-2017 01:43:38

Reply to skwanderer

 The answers in genesis bullshit above is quote-mining three guys who last published in the 1940s, and all of which who accepted the reality of evolution without question, but were merely saying there were some gaps, which led them to punctuated equilibrium, or the theory that evolution changes pace with changes in climate (the environmental template).

It has since been proven correct and many more hundreds of thousands of fossil transitions have been found.

Tomas is a dishonest liar.


Tomas is a dishonest liar.

I rather think his religion has made him to have such madly single-minded, ultra na
rrow focus that he is forced to be a dishonest liar.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:09-09-2017 02:18:59

 I rather think his religion has made him to have such madly single-minded, ultra narrow focus that he is forced to be a dishonest liar.

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You are correct.  There is truth in a human brain's ability to create essentially a "tunnel vision" thought pattern or "bubble" if you will. 

The ability to avoid and not acknowledge what exists outside the bubble is not considered being intellectually dishonest to them, because outside the bubble does not exist. 

Anyone speaking about anything outside the bubble is a liar, being dishonest with themselves, not comprehending, has not considered the bible, should think exactly like Tomas, etc.  It is silly to consider anything outside the protected bubble of indoctrination safety.  Religion is a warm blanket to the hypochondriac with the sniffles.




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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:09-09-2017 04:52:18

The whole reason behind the hopeful monster approach, Skw, is BECAUSE, as noted, of the following:

Most evolutionists now concede, however, that the fossil record fails to show the progressive transformation of any living organism into a distinctly different kind of organism.

Feel free to actually read the article thoughtfully.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:09-09-2017 03:50:42

 

Most evolutionists now concede, however, that the fossil record fails to show the progressive transformation of any living organism into a distinctly different kind of organism.

Feel free to actually read the article thoughtfully.

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I read it and responded.  Too bad you dont read them.  Cleartly you are not interested in thoughful debate. 

Feel free to read my responses.  Most evolutionists, who are actually called evolutionary scientists and not evolutionists, DO NOT CONCEDE that the fossil record fails to show progressive transformations. 

All of them agree that it does.  The three scientists from the 1940 who are quoted in the creationist article all believed the fossil record supported evolution, although there were gaps.  There are no gaps in the fossil record today that lead anyone to question the validity of evolution.

You article says virtually nothing but a couple of quotes mined from three long-dead guys that sounded like they support ICR's position, but they don't.

Research the 3 dead scientists they quote and read some of their stuff Tomas

Again, I challenge you, find one paleontologist who does not believe the fossil record supports evolution.  Only one.  One ought to be easy if it is so clear to scientists that the fossil record doesn't support evolution. 

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  • From:New_zealand

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:09-09-2017 10:29:59

He reads scholarly books very selectively, where something which is postulated as a possibility but is subsequently proved wrong, he takes the postulation as fact and ignores (if he even reads that far) the contrary proof.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #17
  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:15-09-2017 05:33:26

Who said the following quotes?  Anyone know?

"As is now well known, most fossil species appear instantaneously in the fossil record, persist for some millions of years virtually unchanged, only to disappear abruptly. . . ."

"The known fossil record fails to document a single example of phyletic evolution accomplishing a major morphologic transition. . . ."

"In any case, no real evolutionist . . . uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of the theory of evolution as opposed to special creation. . . ."

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:15-09-2017 05:51:09

 After being shown all his quote-mining was in error...Tomas goes quote-mining again.

"In any case, no real evolutionist, whether gradualist or punctuationist, uses the fossil record as evidence in favour of the theory of evolution as opposed to special creation." (Ridley, Mark, "Who doubts evolution?" "New Scientist", vol. 90, 25 June 1981, p. 831)


For this one, he digs back only 40 years to Mark Ridley.

It is surprising you would want to call attention to this Tomas.  You are clearly once again terribly ignorant. Ridly is joking.

Ridley goes on in his book to say the following.

"Someone is getting it wrong, and it isn't Darwin; it is the creationists and the media." p 830

"So what is the evidence that species have evolved? There have traditionally been three kinds of evidence, and it is these, not the "fossil evidence", that the critics should be thinking about. The three arguments are from the observed evolution of species, from biogeography, and from the hierarchical structure of taxonomy." (page 831)

"These three are the clearest arguments for the mutability of species. Other defences of the theory of evolution could be made, not the least of which is the absence of a coherent alternative. Darwin's theory is also uniquely able to account for both the presence of design, and the absence of design (vestigial organs), in nature." (page 832)


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 You lose again Tomas.  In any event, the fossil record is also much clearer since 1981.  Which you must spend quite a bit time ignoring.

You are such an ignorant fool.  Sad really.


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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:15-09-2017 05:56:30

Tomas digs back even further into the 70s for this one.

The known fossil record fails to document a single example of phyletic evolution accomplishing a major morphologic transition. - Steven M. Stanley (Macroevolution: Pattern and Process, 1979 p. 39)

Once again....Stanley believes it has occurred and that evidence exists, including in the fossil record.

For the present, we can define quantum speciation simply as speciation in which most evolution is concentrated within an initial interval of time that is very brief with respect to the total longevity of the new lineage that is produced. Implicit in this concept is the idea that during the rapid, early phase of evolution, the seminal population has not yet expanded from its small, initial population size. [bold in original] [pg. 26]

And since, as we see on page 39, Stanley writes that "quantum speciation is a real phenomenon", there should be no doubt that he believes that evolution has occurred. However, he doesn't believe that evolution happens by changing an ancestral species into descendant species, but rather by descendants branching off from ancestors, as we can see on page 211:


Another long dead scientist quote-mined by Tomas, who doesn't even realize that none of these guys agree with him or support his premise.

Tomas, if you don't want to look so stupid, you might research some of these quotes and their context.  And then update yourself from the 70s.  Lots of science in the past 40 years.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/part3.html


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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:15-09-2017 06:02:17

 "As is now well known, most fossil species appear instantaneously in the fossil record, persist for some millions of years virtually unchanged, only to disappear abruptly. . . ."

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many said this, including Niles Eldridge and Stephen Jay Gould, tow of the most famous evolutionary scientists who lived (also dead).  But they have long known there are periods of stasis and periods of rapid change.....BECAUSE THE EARTH EXPERIENCES PERIODS OF STASIS AND PERIODS OF RAPID CHANGE.


Spend just a few minutes researching the quotes that have been mined by your favorite creationist websites.  They don't support what you think they do.


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  • From:New_zealand

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:15-09-2017 08:49:44

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #22
  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:16-09-2017 04:59:10

Reply to skwanderer

 "As is now well known, most fossil species appear instantaneously in the fossil record, persist for some millions of years virtually unchanged, only to disappear abruptly. . . ."

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many said this, including Niles Eldridge and Stephen Jay Gould, tow of the most famous evolutionary scientists who lived (also dead).  But they have long known there are periods of stasis and periods of rapid change.....BECAUSE THE EARTH EXPERIENCES PERIODS OF STASIS AND PERIODS OF RAPID CHANGE.


Spend just a few minutes researching the quotes that have been mined by your favorite creationist websites.  They don't support what you think they do.



The statement notes the lack of transitional fossils, you are right - as to whether your explanation is adequate for that, is another thing.
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:16-09-2017 05:09:17

You got two of the three quotes correct, as to who is quoted - pretty good.

One can find more even that do not really think the fossil record itself supports evolution (ie, no one looking at it would seriously come up with evolution).  That was the main point.

Yes, as you have pointed out, they have to come up with some pretty wild explanations.  But they have to - as some evolutionists have noted, the alternative is God - and the general hostility there will not allow  for that.  Romans chapter 1.

So thus the wild explanations.

Kind of like someone's magic dinosaur blood concept..............

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:18-09-2017 04:33:08

 The statement notes the lack of transitional fossils, you are right - as to whether your explanation is adequate for that, is another thing.

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The statement notes a lack in some places, a long time ago.  In many lineages there are many transitional fossils. 

If you mine these quotes with peripheral vision on "off", ignore everything else the scientists' who wrote them ever said, and ignore all the data and evidence uncovered since they have died decades ago......then you could interpret them as saying there are no transitional fossils.

Keep that head in the sand Tomas.  I imagine is gets more difficult every year.  Drives you to post shit like "peer review is flawed" in hopes that 59,786 studies on evolution could all be considered wrong in favor of the one article by a mechanical engineer at "answersingenesis.com"

At some point, religious conviction becomes mental illness.  I think you crossed that boundary back in 1979.

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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:26-09-2017 06:02:54

Keep in mind, how long it took for you to post that list of transitional fossils in that older thread, and even then, it was rather pathetic.


Sorry, the fossils say no (to molecules to man evolution).

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:26-09-2017 06:25:18

 Do you, TOMAS,  take all of the bible literally, some of it literally, some written by man, none of it literally, or some other combination?

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Tomas lying again. Imagine my shock.  Shall we go to that thread and see how fast I posted lists of transitional fossils??

It took me two seconds to post a transitional fossil list from one small group, reptiles to birds, and it contained dozens, to which you were unable to respond and refused to look at until I posted "in my own words"

You asked me for it over and over and over in "my own words", which is why you say it took me a long time, even though I had posted dozens of transitional lists over the years in discussions with you...and at a moments notice. So you are lying again....ho hum.

  I have no idea why my own words would be more meaningful to you than the actual researchers.  Oddly enough, in the homosexual debate, you refuse my own words and use that as an excuse not to look at the science.  You will contradict yourself 180 degrees just to avoid looking at science.

Still no technical comment on the transitional fossil list from you?  Of course not, you believe in talking snakes and evil fruit and man and dinosaurs living together, why on earth would we expect technical comments about science from a lying idiot like you?

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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:28-09-2017 07:26:01

You did a terrible job with the transitional fossils. 

But, frankly, that was to be expected.


http://www.icr.org/home/resources/resources_tracts_scientificcaseagainstevolution/

Belief in evolution is a remarkable phenomenon. It is a belief passionately defended by the scientific establishment, despite the lack of any observable scientific evidence for macroevolution (that is, evolution from one distinct kind of organism into another). This odd situation is briefly documented here by citing recent statements from leading evolutionists admitting their lack of proof. These statements inadvertently show that evolution on any significant scale does not occur at present, and never happened in the past, and could never happen at all.


Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:28-09-2017 09:41:23

 "Terrible" is not a technical argument Tomas.  You are wholly incapable of telling me why the very very long list of transitions aI provided re not acceptable to you, because you are wholly ignorant of all the science surrounding them.

There are literally thousands of transitional forms, in fact, we are all transitional.  Humans have evolved recently and continue to do so, with changes in over 700 loci changes on the genome in less than few hundred years. 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils


You have no clue what a transitional fossil would be, what the morphological, biochemical, and genetic features are that make them related evolutionarily and transitional, nor the corroborating evidence techniques to verify they are evolutionarily related.  You are ignorant of so much, yet you make proclamations as if you know something.

You are a sad pathetic delusional liar Tomas. I'm sure your god is very proud of that.


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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:29-09-2017 05:10:54

 The fact of evolution, corroborated by the fossil record of transitional fossils, their geographic distribution in line with plate tectonics and age of underlying rock, which is in line exactly with the genetics and molecular clock, which is in line exactly with biochemical, morphological and every other developmental line of evidence. I have posted studies and data for years that demonstrates the mountains of corroborating evidence in every field.  Tomas likes to focus on one at a time ignoring all others because it is simply not possible to poke holes in the complete picture.  Saying no to one thing at a time is easier.

....and Tomas' only argument in rebuttal.

"Terrible"

You did "terrible"  End of technical rebuttal.

If that is your response to the technical lines of evidence Tomas, do you actually believe yourself to be having a debate on these issues?  You are not.  You post thread after thread on topics of science which you are wholly ignorant, and your only refutation is "no it is not".

Pathetic delusional lying idiot.

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  • From:New_zealand

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:07-11-2017 07:39:29

On  the Political discussion page I posted the following:

Except America there is a relationship between wealth and belief in evolution
It seems that if you plot the belief in evolution versus national wealth, the United States of America is an outlier – by a long shot. The graph shows the % of adults that answered “true” to the statement, “Human beings, as we know them, developed from earlier species of animals.” (Jon Miller et al, Science, Aug 2006). Data for GDP per capita was adjusted for power parity and was taken from the CIA World Factbook.

https://www.geol.umd.edu/~tholtz/G204/lectures/204creos.html

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