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Tomlapaz
  • From:USA

Date Posted:04-09-2017 06:27:20Copy HTML

The fossil record really does not support evolution.      Folk may respond that there are other evidences that do - but true or not, that does not change the fact that the fossil record itself does not support it.

https://answersingenesis.org/fossils/fossil-record/hopeful-monsters-of-evolution/

Since the time of Darwin, evolutionists have looked to the fossil record for historical evidence of evolution. Most evolutionists now concede, however, that the fossil record fails to show the progressive transformation of any living organism into a distinctly different kind of organism. This has presented some nasty difficulties for evolutionists—but they have made it clear that they will not be dissuaded by the mere lack of evidence, nor will they turn to a Creator to explain this enigma. Rather, evolutionists hope that monsters may come to their rescue!


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Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #61
  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:05-01-2018 06:22:04Copy HTML

You are under the (mistaken) belief that all that you are is materialistic yes?   That there is not a spiritual aspect to you?  True?


Or put another way - your brain and mind - do you see a distinction, or not?

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:11-01-2018 08:42:17Copy HTML

Katie: There is no such thing as Adam and Eve and dinosaurs and humans absolutely did not walk the earth. Fossils are accurate and the Grand Canyon is really 5-6 million years old.


Most scientists agree with you - though the number of scientists who disagree, though a small percentage, are growing in number.

No they are not.  They continue to shrink in percentage as the number of scientists grows in number far far faster than the few idiots who still believe in fairy tales.  The acceptane of the fact of evolution has grown in the scientific community and public since it was first discovered.  You are, as always, are an idiot pulling nonsense out of his ass.

Jesus and the disciples disagree with you, Katie, on Adam and Eve, etc.   Just an FYI.   Of course, you could be right and they wrong; however, if (as the evidence shows) Jesus did rise from the dead, that would be unlikely.

There is no evidence he rose from the dead.  Twice removed hearsay.

Fossils are accurate- statement actually does not say anything.   I think you are referring to the interpretation of the fossil record that is commonly accepted.  However, interestingly, there are even evolutionists who are troubled by what the fossil record strongly implies (to say the least).

The fossil record strongly implies evolution for the following reasons. 

1) The number of fossils in existence (even though they rarely form), including the skeletal remains of oceanic forms on the benthic plains, are so great in number it is impossible for them to have formed in even a few million years.

2) The geologic layers of fossils correspond with life forms and the age of the layers in perfect synchrony with the development of complex forms. The first fossils appear in layers that are the same age as the time when vertebrate animals evolved, etc.  All over the earth, geologic layers paint a corresponding picture of todays forms to the ancient forms of the past.

3) There are many many transitional forms of fossils from now extinct animals. The transition is clear in the fossil record and corroborated by both the genetic record and biogeography.


And even if there weren't a single fossil on earth, the rest of the data is sufficient (genetics, biogeography, developmental and molecular biology) to know that evolution is a fact.

It is a fact that species evolve Tomas.

A fact.

Not open to debate. 

It is as if you wish to ague that water is not water.  It is water.  Nothing your two scientists who believe in fairy tales can say that will not make it water.

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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:11-01-2018 08:47:20Copy HTML

 http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/10/darwin-day/

98% of scientists accept evolution.  This includes all scientists....mechanical engineers, bridge builders, agronomists, etc.  If you just poll biologists or geneticists...it is virtually 100%

Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #64
  • From:New_zealand

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:11-01-2018 11:52:22Copy HTML

Science and denial of evolution are not related.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #65
  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:12-01-2018 02:51:03Copy HTML

Post 62 had several inaccuracies - kind of sums that up.

But back to Yobbo - this below is still waiting for you:

You are under the (mistaken) belief that all that you are is materialistic yes?   That there is not a spiritual aspect to you?  True?

Or put another way - your brain and mind - do you see a distinction, or not?

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #66
  • From:New_zealand

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:12-01-2018 05:17:39Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

Post 62 had several inaccuracies - kind of sums that up.

Would you care to elucidate? I don't see any.


But back to Yobbo - this below is still waiting for you:

You are under the (mistaken) belief that all that you are is materialistic yes?   That there is not a spiritual aspect to you?  True?

Or put another way - your brain and mind - do you see a distinction, or not?


I am alive at the moment, at some time I will cease to be alive and then I will exist only in the memories of others, still alive.  When I die my molecules will be recycled.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #67
  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:12-01-2018 06:48:53Copy HTML

So your position is that you consist only of the same material as can be found on earth.

Just a complex molecular structure.  You are nothing more than the sum of your molecules.  There is no you apart from your body.


That is what I understand from your response - but if incorrect, let us know.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:12-01-2018 05:53:16Copy HTML

 Post 62 had several inaccuracies - kind of sums that up.

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It had no inaccuracies.  You are free to list what you feel are inaccuracies and I will correct you with the facts.  That you did not list a single inaccuracy is your typical non-argument dishonesty.  You are a very dishonest person Tomas.  How do you sleep at night?

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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:12-01-2018 05:58:37Copy HTML

So your position is that you consist only of the same material as can be found on earth.


Certainly the way you ask the question..."consist".  There is nothing more than that which is weighed on the scale. In my case, 190 lbs of carbon based molecules and water that are alive and interacting. 

Just a complex molecular structure.  You are nothing more than the sum of your molecules. 


You are free to consider that amazing result of millions of years of evolution...."just" and "nothing more than"....I find it simply fantastic and beyond amazing.  You are a very limited thinker who believes stupid fables...so there is that. 


There is no you apart from your body.

Sure there is.  There is my footprint on the planet, all that I accomplished and left behind, and my progeny.  That is real.  A soul that lives as an agel in heaven is a story, fable, folk lure. 


That is what I understand from your response - but if incorrect, let us know.

There is never a time when you are not incorrect Tomas.  Better to ask us to let you know when you are correct.  We are all still waiting for that day.

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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:12-01-2018 05:59:19Copy HTML

 Still waiting for Tomas to list any inaccuracies in #62. 
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #71
  • From:New_zealand

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:13-01-2018 02:01:25Copy HTML

Tomás is a grandfather so he won't be here for more than, say, 4 decades or so, but you would still be waiting.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #72
  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:13-01-2018 02:18:32Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 Still waiting for Tomas to list any inaccuracies in #62. 

Still waiting for Yobbo and Skw to deal with their errors pointed out elsewhere.
Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #73
  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:13-01-2018 09:44:42Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

Reply to skwanderer

 Still waiting for Tomas to list any inaccuracies in #62. 

Still waiting for Yobbo and Skw to deal with their errors pointed out elsewhere.

Still waiting for you, Tom, to actually point out a real error.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #74
  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:13-01-2018 10:07:57Copy HTML

Still waiting for you to be honest here, Bogus.

I guess we are all waiting on something.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #75
  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:13-01-2018 10:43:47Copy HTML

Hell, Tom, I gave up on that, waiting on you to be honest, a long, long time ago.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #76
  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:13-01-2018 11:26:27Copy HTML

Well, one day, when we all stand before the Judge of the Universe, we all will have to give an account to Him.   You and I included.
Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #77
  • From:New_zealand

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:14-01-2018 12:55:42Copy HTML

Just try to be unambiguous.  Answer questions fully and in plain English.  English is my fourth language but I manage to write concisely and avoid ambiguity most of the time.  You should try to do so too, Tomás.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:14-01-2018 02:13:33Copy HTML

Reply to Yobbo

Just try to be unambiguous.  Answer questions fully and in plain English.  English is my fourth language but I manage to write concisely and avoid ambiguity most of the time.  You should try to do so too, Tomás.

Pardon the interruption to the topic, but what other languages do you speak Yobbo?  I am fascinated by (and a tad envious of) of the multi-lingual, and your English is excellent (better than many native speakers on this board).  Did you learn as a child or an adult?  I read a piece the other day the optimum age to learn another language is seven, and if you are at least bi lingual around then, you have a much better chance of adding languages later.  
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  • From:New_zealand

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:14-01-2018 06:50:39Copy HTML

 I was brought up in a mixed race Chileno home where I learned Spanish and Quechua.  I must admit that I can't really speak Quechua - I was exagerating.  When I was ~12 or so my family were all killed save my sister and me.  She was married to a French diplomat and they took me to France where I went to school for a year but my bro-in-law was posted to Britain so I finished my schooling there.  I won a scholarship and went to university there too.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:14-01-2018 09:58:56Copy HTML

 Still waiting for Yobbo and Skw to deal with their errors pointed out elsewhere.

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I pointed out about 1000 errors in your posts Tomas.  I guess that means Ill never answer another question from you.....as if you have ever answered anything.  You just say...."we made errors" or "there were some inaccuracies"  

You are incapable of ever pointing any of them out specifically.....because they don't exist.

You are dishonest liar and if your God exists, you are definitely going to hell.

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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:14-01-2018 10:00:21Copy HTML

 I am only bilingual.  Spanish and English.   I can get by on Italian and speak just enough Japanese and Korean to make a fool of myself.
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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:14-01-2018 10:09:50Copy HTML

Yobbo,

You never responded to the below from an earlier post.  Just putting it out there in case it does need correcting, but it appears it does sum  up your position, and even Skw's.   If not, fine - would then like to reference this position of yours and his elsewhere.


So your position is that you consist only of the same material as can be found on earth.

Just a complex molecular structure.  You are nothing more than the sum of your molecules.  There is no you apart from your body.


That is what I understand from your response - but if incorrect, let us know.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:16-01-2018 12:13:54Copy HTML

 Yobbo,

You never responded to the below from an earlier post.  Just putting it out there in case it does need correcting, but it appears it does sum  up your position, and even Skw's.   If not, fine - would then like to reference this position of yours and his elsewhere.

____


You've never gotten anyone's position on anything right in your life Tomas, what makes you think you can start now?

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  • From:New_zealand

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:16-01-2018 08:07:51Copy HTML

So your position is that you consist only of the same material as can be found on earth.

Just a complex molecular structure.  You are nothing more than the sum of your molecules.  There is no you apart from your body.

The fact that I am a living being and think as well as imagine things makes a difference, but, in so far as my brain is part of my body, yes there is no me apart from my body.

Spiritualism is tosh - I imagine that is where you want to go.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #85
  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:17-01-2018 05:55:13Copy HTML

Ok, thanks for confirming.  There is no you apart from your body.  Of course I disagree, but, that was as far as I was going with that.
Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:17-01-2018 07:31:57Copy HTML

 Ok, thanks for confirming.  There is no you apart from your body.  Of course I disagree, but, that was as far as I was going with that.

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Yes we know Tomas.  You have absolutely no argument that supports your insane fairy tale views.  We are very familiar that you will go no farther than "no it isn't" in any of your arguments. If anyone has a soul, it surely isn't you.

There has never been any evidence that anything exists but what makes up our material bodies.  No ethereal other-universe presence that lives on.  It could be, just like there could be a spaghetti monster in space, but it makes no sense and there is simply no evidence for it.

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  • From:New_zealand

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:17-01-2018 07:32:47Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

Ok, thanks for confirming.  There is no you apart from your body.  Of course I disagree, but, that was as far as I was going with that.

Why not illucidate?  We could have a discussion. 
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #88
  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:17-01-2018 07:43:31Copy HTML

What is there to elucidate?     I do think it will come up later.   Apparently Skw agrees with your position (which if so, is ironic).

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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:17-01-2018 09:37:12Copy HTML

 What is there to elucidate?

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True enough.  You have no argument. How would you hope to elucidate nothing? Why is it ironic that I agree there is no evidence of a soul as defined by religions?  Every thinking person agrees with this statement.

Don't confuse what science has sometimes called a "soul" or the energy that radiates from us (real) with the religious notion of a soul...that exists in the afterlife as some semblance of the former you.  We aren't talking about the same thing.

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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:17-01-2018 11:40:24Copy HTML

Skw: You've never gotten anyone's position on anything right in your life Tomas, what makes you think you can start now?


The irony was with the above statement, then followed by Yobbo's confirmation.

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