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Tomlapaz
  • From:USA

Date Posted:04-09-2017 06:27:20Copy HTML

The fossil record really does not support evolution.      Folk may respond that there are other evidences that do - but true or not, that does not change the fact that the fossil record itself does not support it.

https://answersingenesis.org/fossils/fossil-record/hopeful-monsters-of-evolution/

Since the time of Darwin, evolutionists have looked to the fossil record for historical evidence of evolution. Most evolutionists now concede, however, that the fossil record fails to show the progressive transformation of any living organism into a distinctly different kind of organism. This has presented some nasty difficulties for evolutionists—but they have made it clear that they will not be dissuaded by the mere lack of evidence, nor will they turn to a Creator to explain this enigma. Rather, evolutionists hope that monsters may come to their rescue!


Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:18-01-2018 08:55:46Copy HTML

 It is a fact you lie about people's positions, never get them correct, and never rebut anything.  Your mode of argument is to simply say...."the fossil record doesn't support evolution"....then proceed to go page after page without any argument to support it.

You are a dishonest and delusional fool.

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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:19-01-2018 02:28:37Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

Skw: You've never gotten anyone's position on anything right in your life Tomas, what makes you think you can start now?


The irony was with the above statement, then followed by Yobbo's confirmation.


And the irony continues.

Tom : There is no you apart from your body.

Yobbo: yes there is no me apart from my body.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:20-01-2018 06:50:51Copy HTML

 And yet you still don't comprehend his position.  The irony does indeed continue lying delusional fool
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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:20-01-2018 09:54:57Copy HTML

Fascinating.


Tom : There is no you apart from your body.

Yobbo: yes there is no me apart from my body.


Skw: Those two statements are in disagreement with each other.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:21-01-2018 05:54:41Copy HTML

 I never said that.  You put a quote to my name I never said.  True to your lying nature. What does your god say about dishonesty again Tomas?

While those two statements are in agreement with one another, it does not mean that you have any idea what Yobbo's actual position is on the subject in any detail whatsoever.  I'm sure you don't. Let's ask Yobbo if you correctly interpret their positions?


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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:23-01-2018 07:01:22Copy HTML

While those two statements are in agreement with one another

Finally.  So yes, I understood Yobbo on that point.  Thank you.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:New_zealand

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:23-01-2018 07:19:26Copy HTML

Reply to Yobbo

So your position is that you consist only of the same material as can be found on earth.

Just a complex molecular structure.  You are nothing more than the sum of your molecules.  There is no you apart from your body.

The fact that I am a living being and think as well as imagine things makes a difference, but, in so far as my brain is part of my body, yes there is no me apart from my body.

Spiritualism is tosh - I imagine that is where you want to go.


The above was my reply and I admit that what I think or dream about is additional to my being as a body, the fact is if my body didn't exist, nor would my thoughts.  Hence, my thoughts are dependant on my existance.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:23-01-2018 02:44:46Copy HTML

Is your position that your thoughts and dreams are the production of your brain, but as with your brain, subject entirely to the physical realm (you believing that being the only realm)?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:23-01-2018 07:35:38Copy HTML

 While those two statements are in agreement with one another

Finally.  So yes, I understood Yobbo on that point.  Thank you.

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Imagine my shock to see Tomas lying again.....said no one ever.  The statements are in agreement, but the people arguing them are not.  Is that too complicated for your little brain to understand?

Carry on lying Tomas.

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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:23-01-2018 07:38:39Copy HTML

 Is your position that your thoughts and dreams are the production of your brain

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No it is not his "position", it is a fact of modern science. A fact.  No thoughts come to your from another universe or from your God.  All your thoughts come from your brain assembling your life experiences.  There are no thought fairies flying around waving magic wands at your head Tomas. 

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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:23-01-2018 08:02:25Copy HTML

 Novel Idea:  remember the topic post that you ran from and could offer no rebuttal other than "no it isn't"?

Transitional Fossils Are Not Rare

https://ncse.com/creationism/analysis/transitional-fossils-are-not-rare

The Fossil Fallacy

Creationists' demand for fossils that represent "missing links" reveals a deep misunderstanding of science

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-fossil-fallacy/

"Those who cavalierly reject the Theory of Evolution, as not adequately supported by facts, seem quite to forget that their own theory is supported by no facts at all." Well over a century later nothing has changed. When I debate creationists, they present not one fact in favor of creation and instead demand "just one transitional fossil" that proves evolution. When I do offer evidence (for example, Ambulocetus natans, a transitional fossil between ancient land mammals and modern whales), they respond that there are now two gaps in the fossil record.

This is a clever debate retort, but it reveals a profound error that I call the Fossil Fallacy: the belief that a "single fossil"--one bit of data--constitutes proof of a multifarious process or historical sequence. In fact, proof is derived through a convergence of evidence from numerous lines of inquiry--multiple, independent inductions, all of which point to an unmistakable conclusion.

We know evolution happened not because of transitional fossils such as A. natans but because of the convergence of evidence from such diverse fields as geology, paleontology, biogeography, comparative anatomy and physiology, molecular biology, genetics, and many more. No single discovery from any of these fields denotes proof of evolution, but together they reveal that life evolved in a certain sequence by a particular process.


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 Creationists like Tomas like to try to keep the argument on one specific topic while ignoring all the other fields of science.  That topic is often fossils since things like genetics and biogeography are far too complicated for  them. "Look, this fossil right here was dated in error.  Therefore all other evidence is wrong." 


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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:23-01-2018 08:05:00Copy HTML

 Fossils Reveal Truth About Darwin's Theory

https://www.livescience.com/3306-fossils-reveal-truth-darwin-theory.html

One frequently cited "hole" in the theory: Creationists claim there are no transitional fossils, aka missing links. Biologists and paleontologists, among others, know this claim is false.

Occidental College geologist Donald Prothero in his book "Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters" (Columbia University Press, 2007). Prothero discussed those fossils last month at the American Museum of Natural History in New York, along with  transitional fossils that were announced since the book was published, including the "fishibian" and the "frogamander."

At least hundreds, possibly thousands, of transitional fossils have been found so far by researchers. The exact count is unclear because some lineages of organisms are continuously evolving.

Read on to see just a short list of the many hundreds of transitional fossils that support genetics, biogeography, geology and other data.


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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:25-01-2018 02:17:30Copy HTML

Yobbo, this may have gotten missed earlier:

Is your position that your thoughts and dreams are the production of your brain, but as with your brain, subject entirely to the physical realm (you believing that being the only realm)?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:New_zealand

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:25-01-2018 08:09:21Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

Yobbo, this may have gotten missed earlier:

Is your position that your thoughts and dreams are the production of your brain, but as with your brain, subject entirely to the physical realm (you believing that being the only realm)?


Yes, as I have said before.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:26-01-2018 02:11:35Copy HTML

Ok, thanks, we are good then.
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:New_zealand

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:27-01-2018 05:16:55Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

Ok, thanks, we are good then.

What does that mean? 
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:27-01-2018 05:46:44Copy HTML

As to your position - 'good' not as in I agree with it, but I got what you are saying.
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:29-01-2018 10:04:04Copy HTML

 Imagine my shock that Tomas still cannot respond to any of the information on evolution.
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  • From:New_zealand

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:29-01-2018 10:24:09Copy HTML

I rather think that nor will he.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:30-01-2018 12:36:24Copy HTML

Well, I am still waiting for both of you on other threads.

Such is life.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:30-01-2018 07:58:33Copy HTML

 Lying Tomas.

I am still waiting for you to answer a question from five years ago (and all questions in between that you never answer). 

You claimed to have scientific evidence of creation years ago and in multiple threads.  I asked you for a total of nearly 30 pages in 3 threads.....What is it?   You have never responded.

What is life like being a habitual liar? 

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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:30-01-2018 08:56:58Copy HTML

 Well, I am still waiting for both of you on other threads.

Such is life.

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Ive answered every question you have ever asked me.  But for arguments' sake let's say I have not.  There is not a single person on earth who believes you will provide a rebuttal to the transitional fossils I discussed in this thread if I go to every thread you desire and answer every question you claim I never answered.

Stop lying Tomas.  You are very transparent.

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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:30-01-2018 11:47:19Copy HTML

Still waiting.
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:31-01-2018 08:44:42Copy HTML

 For what?  I've been waiting 5 years longer than you for you to answer any of the hundreds of questions Ive asked that you have ignored.


Lying sack of shit.

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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:31-01-2018 08:46:54Copy HTML

 What are you waiting for me to answer Tomas?  Ill answer it.

Afterwards you have a five year backlog of questions to answer for me, right?  Ill even repost only the big questions you have run away from and ignored and not even ask that you answer all of them

Ill answer the question that you believe I have not answered, or show you where I already answered it....if you promise to answer my unanswered questions from other threads.

Deal?


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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:31-01-2018 11:11:04Copy HTML

Still waiting.
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:01-02-2018 12:10:23Copy HTML

Waiting for what?  I asked you to tell me exactly what you are waiting for and I would answer it.    Lying sack of shit. 

Im still waiting five years for you to answer a single question.  you worthless liar.

And yes, you will have to stand before your god someday if you truly believe that crap, and explain to him why you lied so often.   Glad I'm not you.

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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:01-02-2018 02:07:55Copy HTML

And the waiting continues and continues..........
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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  • From:Unknown

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:02-02-2018 12:37:25Copy HTML

 And the lying of Tomas continues and continues. 

I've asked you what exactly you want me to answer and I would answer it.  Clearly you don't want me to answer and would rather lie and play your games.

Sad.  Your judgment will be brutal if your god exists.

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  • From:USA

Re:The Hopeful Monsters of Evolution

Date Posted:02-02-2018 02:38:56Copy HTML

It will be brutal  for all of us - apart from a Redeemer.


But meanwhile, here, I continue to wait.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
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