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govols
  • From:USA

Date Posted:22-08-2018 12:40:18Copy HTML

I'm in the deep end. With pool noodles. Forgive me.

So, family; extended family; tribe; village; society; culture; civilization...or close enough if correctly conceptualized and prioritized. There is division of labor: in families, women do x and men do y...er, well, maybe not. In extended families, some men might do y(1) well, while others might do y(2) better. Same goes for women. So labor is again divided. Etc., etc., etc..... As the community expands, work is divided up among various groups and individuals; certain "institutions" emerge as the efforts become more organized; status becomes a thing as some functions are valued more or less, and as individuals contribute more or less. As we move through the frames of reference from family structures to civilizations, more and more complex social structures have become the tradition or the norm. 

In comes a traveler from a distant civilization. Or ten, even. They exchange some pleasantries and maybe a few trinkets. They go home. In comes a hundred travelers form a dozen distant civilizations. They spend a large time sharing their wares and enjoying our ways, and then they go home. But sometimes some of them don't go home; sometimes some of them stay and something like a co-adoption might occur. The "other" adapts his way of being to conform with the existing social constructs, while the existing civilization assimilates into its own ways and means the contributions the "other" brought with him that made him welcome as a conditional adoptee. 

If a civilization attempts multiculturalism, what happens to the society that originally built the civilization? What happens to the institutions that evolved through generational socialization? What would one expect the villages and communities to collectively feel about the state of their civilizational institutions should it come to pass that their own local structures be forcibly changed to accommodate the cultural expectations of a vast, uninvited, collection of multicultural migrants? A society can't assimilate cultural changes. Society gives rise to culture. Culture can be fairly readily adapted to generally accepted social evolutions in a bottom up process, but top down cultural impositions onto society causes within communities and reversions to more tribal biases than would otherwise occur. 

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  • From:Norway

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:23-08-2018 04:36:55Copy HTML

Thinking that a multicultural society is "screwed up" is what's screwed up govols.

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Post by easyrider on Aug 21, 2018 at 5:39pm

We're all of the human race, and the diversity of different cultures around the globe is fantastic. 

The problems come when our own fears and defects of character get us off track. 

It's sad fact in this world today, people are fearful of "the other",  "the unknown".

We are a multicultural world, and we are all here together. If only we could look at life in a more selfless and positive manner, things could be really good.

Fear and ignorance lead to stupid thinking and violence. 

Diversity of cultures is a positive thing, it's all in the attitude one brings to the game. I grew up in Chicago and the multiculturism of the city makes living there exciting and rich. 

It's not multicultural soccieties that are the problem, it's the few people that are consumed with fear of the other, and the selfish ego maniacs who try to impose  their culture on others that screw it up. If people would just respect each other and embrace other cultures it is wonderful


The world is a lot smaller than it ever was in the past, so better get used to cultural diversity everywhere. Change is what happens, don't sweat it, embrace it. 

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  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:25-08-2018 12:28:54Copy HTML

 What would one expect the villages and communities to collectively feel about the state of their civilizational institutions should it come to pass that their own local structures be forcibly changed to accommodate the cultural expectations of a vast, uninvited, collection of multicultural migrants?


First off, as to what happens to a society undergoing multicultural change is simple, it either adapts or dies. Second, what is meant by "uninvited"? Certainly you're not suggesting that illegal immigrants alone are forcing these changes upon us? Because there were PLENTY of legal hispanics and legal asians in this country before their illegal brethren came  here. Do you think there would be no Spanish radio stations if there were no hispanic illegals? Are Cubans and PRs, even though we latter are born citizens, are we also "uninvited", go vols? Is the PR Pride Day in NYC with its huge parade "forcibly" changing New York against the will of its citizens?


A society can't assimilate cultural changes.


Of course it can. Or it won't survive. Rome is the perfect example of a society forced to assimilate cultural changes. Between 100 bce and 1 bce Rome expanded from a regional power, centered on Italy and the western mediterranean, to a civilization spanning empire that incorporated the peoples of a vastly disparate set of reasons, beliefs, and cultures.


And they made it work. Even by Caesar's day Rome itself was metropolis numbering a million or more, the majority of whom were NOT Roman by birth or citizenship.

If the population trends of an empire are towards an accommodation with multiculturalism, then it doesn't matter who founded that civilization, they will either swim with the tide, or, if they try to resist, their civilization will collapse. This notion that because you come to this country you must abandon your own tradition and culture is badly thought out and, thank god, one this nation has never seen fit to demand of immigrants except for two periods, now, and those who formed the basis of the Know-Nothings a hundred and fifty years ago.


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  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:25-08-2018 10:47:19Copy HTML

Thinking that a multicultural society is "screwed up" is what's screwed up govols.

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Post by easyrider on Aug 21, 2018 at 5:39pm

We're all of the human race, and the diversity of different cultures around the globe is fantastic. 

Is stoning a woman to death for adultery okay, EZ?  It's cultural.

Is canibalism okay?  It's cultural.


No, they're not nor are a host of other cultural practices and traditions found across the globe.

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  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:25-08-2018 03:59:31Copy HTML

Who says that we must adopt every aspect and every part of another culture? I don't believe anyone is advocating that. What is wrong with taking the best parts of every culture we encounter and assimilating them into our own?
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  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:25-08-2018 04:07:45Copy HTML

If a civilization attempts multiculturalism, what happens to the society that originally built the civilization? What happens to the institutions that evolved through generational socialization? What would one expect the villages and communities to collectively feel about the state of their civilizational institutions should it come to pass that their own local structures be forcibly changed to accommodate the cultural expectations of a vast, uninvited, collection of multicultural migrants? A society can't assimilate cultural changes. Society gives rise to culture. Culture can be fairly readily adapted to generally accepted social evolutions in a bottom up process, but top down cultural impositions onto society causes within communities and reversions to more tribal biases than would otherwise occur. _____ This is horrific...so much is wrong with it.   1. No society that originally built a civilization originally built that civilization without other cultures. Name any modern civilization you like and we can tell you what other cultures influenced their society. 2.  The institutions that evolved did so through the past influences of other cultures, often adapted from other civilizations....such as our modern law and the Code of Hammurabi ad much much more in that long chain. 3. What is being forcibly changed?  Society makes decisions collectively.  An individual may believe they are being forced to change, our society does this collectively. 4.  Every society in history has assimilated, adapted, and modified cultural changes.  The statement that no society can assimilate them is absurd. 5. Uninvited by whom? Everyone in America can trace its roots to "uninvited visitors".  Who invited you to this party?  The notion we must all remain where we are born is again, absurd. 6.  I agree with the last part.  Top down cultural influences can result in biases for some people.. like the author.

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  • From:New_zealand

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:25-08-2018 07:37:36Copy HTML

Who says that we must adopt every aspect and every part of another culture?  I don't believe anyone is advocating that.  What is wrong with taking the best parts of every culture we encounter and assimilating them into our own?


You would find it a problem to pick the good bits from the Christian culture which is a ghastly, violent misogynous thing. 

Perhaps you should work on that first before attacking others.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:25-08-2018 11:04:20Copy HTML

 You would find it a problem to pick the good bits from the Christian culture which is a ghastly, violent misogynous thing. 


ironic, given that those who beat you, along with you yourself, came from exactly that culture.

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  • From:New_zealand

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:26-08-2018 02:45:56Copy HTML

I come from Quechua culture.  My father was half Basque but he was an atheist and we were largely sheltered from Christianity (and other bull shit things called religion).
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:26-08-2018 08:05:10Copy HTML

Reply to Doe


Who says that we must adopt every aspect and every part of another culture? 

Well, in the EU... islam does.  


I don't believe anyone is advocating that.

Again... islam.  They're not real keen on adopting enlightemnent principles.

Muslims and Islam: Key findings in the U.S. and around the world ...


What is wrong with taking the best parts of every culture we encounter and assimilating them into our own?

Not a thing.  It's what the melting pot was all about.  How long has it been since you've heard that phrase... outside of this forum?  Me... gosh, decades.  "Multiculturalism" seems to have replaced it and doesn't that phrase, multiculturalism, suggest 'hey, no need to try to fit in cause your culture is better than ours?


Don't know about you, Doe, but for myself if I were to move abroad I would do my best to adapt to and fit in with my new neighbors.  I wouldn't demand they kowtow to my own sensibilities.  



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  • From:Norway

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:27-08-2018 04:00:37Copy HTML

Bullshit alaska, today, wherever you go there are laws of the land. If you don't like or are not able or willing to follow the laws of any particular land, then don't go there. 

You are an idiot, and an angry one at that. poor alaska.

I can tell you right now that I am able to go to almost any land on this earth and find kind, openminded people with similar values to my own, in any 'culture' on earth. Don't forget, huan beings are the same biologically everywhere. 


And everyhwere there are confused, ignorant, angry humans that have strange fucking ideas about life. You alaska will find your tribe wherever you go, and so do I. 

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  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:28-08-2018 02:40:11Copy HTML

That’s interesting, EZ.  You project upon others your own characteristics.  I’m neither stupid nor angry.


The research provided by PEW is not controversial.  The questions I asked you were not unreasonable or unrelated.


There was no need or cause to react as you chose to.  


Some cultural practices are unacceptable.  Just because it’s “cultural” doesn’t mean it should be accepted without question here or anywhere.



Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:28-08-2018 03:54:15Copy HTML

Rome was multicultural to begin wit, even encouraged immigrants especially skilled ones. Made them an empire. Once they became Romans, an identity, they of course felt better than other cultures...because they were conquerors and the freedoms they allowed just made conquest easier, no longer did it make you Roman. History is so ruthlessly forgettable The problem with multicultural is the superior and inferior lessons that somehow have us at odds in the here and now. Irreconcilable differences and insults have people fighting each other where before there was harmony. I don’t think that’s the main concern of this thread though. Seems to me the concern is Tibet being taken over by China. Can’t happen here? Cuba empties its prisons on Florida, crime comes at residents out of nowhere. Who knew Mexicans wouldn’t stay in New Mexico, the state named for them. It’s a free country the diversity blends, making us stronger because we only add the best ingredients of the culture they bring. We’re not exactly a melting pot because many are proud as they should be of their heritage, so a garden with soil, water, and temperature differences might be more accurate. Grow where you’re planted. The concern is about an invasion, purposeful and malignant. Aryan Nation’s settled north of me, and I am certain the people of the state would have voted them out if that were allowed, but we were forced to parade against their ugly message and were lucky that a woman was able to bankrupt them in court. Even now , saying you’re from Idaho, you can see the expressions identifying you as a possible Nazi.... really sucks.
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  • From:Norway

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:28-08-2018 04:01:49Copy HTML

That’s interesting, EZ.  You project upon others your own characteristics.  I’m neither stupid nor angry.

Call it what ever you like, but you are always looking for the bad side of every single situation in reality. Nobody has to kowtow to anyone. All that's needed is respect, honesty and kindness.


The research provided by PEW is not controversial.  The questions I asked you were not unreasonable or unrelated.

I'm not focused on the negative aspects of other's lives. I prefer to look for the enriching and interesting aspects of other cultures. Every culture has it's turds and it's malcontent wackadoos bent on harming themselves and others. I stay away from them as much as possible, and they are not allowed entrance to my space.


There was no need or cause to react as you chose to.  

Aaaaahhh, I get tired of you guys and your constant attacks against anyone you don't understand. Fear, ignorance and bigotry are so distasteful. As long as people always look for the bad, ignore the good and then judge others unfairly we will always be at war and have trouble living in peace. 


Some cultural practices are unacceptable.  Just because it’s “cultural” doesn’t mean it should be accepted without question here or anywhere.

We can choose to accept whatever we want. I accept the good and I grow with the riches and customs of other cultures. To be alive with the opportunities to travel and get to know diverse cultures is a gift. I don't accept everything in every culture ? I don't even accept a ton of stuff we have as part of our "culture" lol, if we can call it that.


Try to see the good in the world, try to do good, and in the end try to help those who are sicker than most. Why search so hard for the bad apples? Work on the man in the mirror if you want to do something





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  • From:Norway

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:28-08-2018 04:05:58Copy HTML

nickel, that's not multiculturalism, that's criminal beahvior. No culture advocates criminal behavior. 


Two totally different animals

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  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:28-08-2018 06:15:13Copy HTML

Looking for the best is fine, EZ.  Ignoring the reality of the worst, which is coming along with it, isn't fine.  Nation after nation is having to deal with 14th century barbarism arriving with mass illegal migration.  Pretending it isn't happening doesn't make it go away.
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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  • From:Norway

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:28-08-2018 06:49:04Copy HTML

I don't pretend anything, I reject and stay away from the bad as much as I can. What do you suggest, sittng at a coffee shop scowling and waving your  finger at it?

We have laws, LEOs and judicial systems in place to keep order. We can petition them if we are in danger, other wise we can just use our heads and stay safe and enjoy life. 

What is accomplished by dwelling on the obvious negative crap in the world. Either get active and do something about it if it occupies so much of your time or leave it to the powers that be and try to have some enjoyment in this short time we have on this planet. There is so much good stuff if you look

No?

It's kind of like........ imagine a person who never goes out of his house because he knows there is evil out there. Of course there is, that's life.......and if you stay locked up in the house and never enjoy living, that person is sick in the head right?

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  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:28-08-2018 12:31:57Copy HTML

Isn't multiculturalism sort of an opposite of integration? The whole point of integration is to promote a shared experience so that groups within society might develope common frames of reference and eventually blend into a coheisive cultural singularity.
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  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:28-08-2018 02:33:00Copy HTML

I don't pretend anything, I reject and stay away from the bad as much as I can.

A wise thing to do.


What do you suggest, sittng at a coffee shop scowling and waving your  finger at it?

It has been observed by wiser than you or I that for evil to win what is required is that the good stay silent.  Or, even more famously:  

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

We have laws, LEOs and judicial systems in place to keep order.

Well, that's the problem, EZ.  In the EU, specifically, Sweden, Italy, the UK, France and Germany those institutions have been rendered impotent.  Police stations in Sweden have been attacked with grenades, for goodness sake.  This happened just a few days ago:


It's so routine now that no one is overmuch suprised.


What is accomplished by dwelling on the obvious negative crap in the world.

What is accomplished by ignoring problems?




Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:28-08-2018 09:18:04Copy HTML

 

Who says that we must adopt every aspect and every part of another culture?

Well, in the EU... islam does. 


No, it doesn't. Where you do get this bs.


I don't believe anyone is advocating that.


Again... islam.  They're not real keen on adopting enlightemnent principles.

Again, that is your ignorance speaking. This is like saying that all Christians believe that women should be kept barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen.

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  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:29-08-2018 12:40:07Copy HTML

Barefoot in the winter and pregnant in the summer. That’s how men are told they can keep their wives, if they’ve a mind to do so. EZ: one country’s criminal is another’s hero. Some of us want to see the train coming, but you can keep standing on the beautiful tracks, if you want to. I’m a descendant of Rollo, down through all those Plantagenet Kings; are you a Viking descendant? Norway. Is it offensive to ask?
What goes around, comes around.
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  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:29-08-2018 03:01:26Copy HTML

 

Who says that we must adopt every aspect and every part of another culture?

Well, in the EU... islam does. 


No, it doesn't. Where you do get this bs.



PEW research across quite a few muslim nations.  Also, polls on the street in the UK.  Probably polls in Italy, Germany, France and Sweden however since I don't speak any of those languages...


It's a habit of folk like yourself to conflate muslims with islam as if the two are the same animal.  An individual muslim may be kind, generous, etc., etc., etc., but that does not mean the political/religion s/he follows is the same.

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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  • From:Norway

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:29-08-2018 06:33:14Copy HTML

Barefoot in the winter and pregnant in the summer.  That’s how men are told they can keep their wives, if they’ve a mind to do so. 

LOL, well there you have an aspect of our culture that some believe, I am not one.


 EZ:  one country’s criminal is another’s hero.  Some of us want to see the train coming, but you can keep standing on the beautiful tracks, if you want to.  

Well, again, criminal behavior is not something I take as part of a specific culture. What train do you believe you see coming, and more imporatnt what will you do about it. I can tell you that if I am witness to harm being done I will and have taken action to stop it. I will also speak out about wrong doing I'm aware of. 


But I'm just not comfortable with this idea going on in this thread that more or less seems to be nothing more than another excuse for some to justify their own bigotry by calling it problems with multicultural society. It smells more like fear, racism and bigotry. 


 I’m a descendant of Rollo, down through all those Plantagenet Kings; are you a Viking descendant?  Norway.  Is it offensive to ask?

Not offensive at all, and yes I am. 



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  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:29-08-2018 09:46:45Copy HTML

Well, Hey there, Cousin EZ! I agree with you, if you’re saying multicultural isn’t the problem. It makes a country stronger to embrace the similarities and respect the differences.
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  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:29-08-2018 10:08:45Copy HTML

I think the melting pot is the better model.

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  • From:Norway

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:30-08-2018 06:36:36Copy HTML

Well, Hey there, Cousin EZ! I agree with you, if you’re saying multicultural isn’t the problem.  It makes a country stronger to embrace the similarities and respect the differences.


yes! 

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  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:31-08-2018 04:50:44Copy HTML

Well, Hey there, Cousin EZ! I agree with you, if you’re saying multicultural isn’t the problem.  It makes a country stronger to embrace the similarities and respect the differences.


And when those 'differences' include execution of homosexuals, stoning of women for adultery or being raped, demands for the new country to comply with your religious dogma?


That's what is happening in the EU and already several nations have closed their borders to immigrants while those that haven't are regretting they didn't do so sooner.



Word from Germany is that a group of migrants was assaulting or raping a woman.  A couple of German guys waded in to defend her, the migrants stabbed one guy over 20 times.


Demonstrations and marches against immigrant violence formed and were immediately condemned as nazi's and far right extremists by the media and that's not sitting well with the demonstrators.  People will take only so much abuse from 'guests' who do not want to assimilate, who do not want to become German, who do not want to respect customs and traditions or even human rights.


Pretending there is no problem is making things much, much worse.

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  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:31-08-2018 08:36:07Copy HTML

We don’t ignore the problems here or there. Aren’t we known for interfering? Laws protect us since we tend to enforce them. Our courts have backlogs and I really hate the plea bargain solution for that but have to admit it does move the process along. Not sure why this isn’t working other places, but my guess is the numbers have overwhelmed the existing population. Hardly any significant numbers here, yet, and it’s hard not to love us once you get to know our dominant culture......lol, whatever that is. Consider how many left because Americans decided they were a problem.....after 9/11. Just or not, the ominous they unified the country.
What goes around, comes around.
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Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:31-08-2018 11:29:18Copy HTML

Alaska asks:  what happens when the migrant demands that the new country comply with (his) religious dogma? In that case, in the US you can sue (and likely win) like this fellow.  The plaintiff is of Native American heritage and says he follows indigenous beliefs.  The "migrant" so to speak is his white Christian ex boss.   I suspect this isn't an isolated or unique case.

Lawsuit: Oregon construction worker fired for refusing to attend Bible study

              

A 34-year-old man has filed an $800,000 lawsuit against a Albany construction company, claiming the owner fired him after he refused to attend weekly Bible study.


Ryan Coleman’s lawsuit states that he discovered only after he was hired as a painter for Dahled Up Construction that the job entailed more than just fixing up homes. According to Coleman and his lawsuit, owner Joel Dahl told him all employees were required to partake in regular Bible study sessions led by a Christian pastor during the work day, while on the clock.


To keep his job, Coleman obliged for nearly six months but ultimately told Dahl he couldn’t go, the suit says.


Coleman told Dahl that the requirement was illegal, but Dahl wouldn’t budge, according to the lawsuit. In order to keep his job, Coleman obliged for nearly six months but ultimately told Dahl he couldn’t go, the suit says. Coleman worked for the small construction company from October 2017 to this past April, when he was fired, the suit states.

“This is so illegal,” said Corinne Schram, a Portland attorney representing Coleman. “  (stating the obvious).

continued:  https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2018/08/lawsuit_oregon_construction_wo.html



 

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Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:01-09-2018 03:34:04Copy HTML

alaska, are you suggesting that there is a national culture that promotes hate, evil or crimes against humanity? Well, of course there's Israel I suppose. But, then again, that's another place I have no desire to visit. I can't change someone else's attitude, but if I don't like it I can reject it and avoid it if possible. If it comes in my face I will take action to stop it. What do you suggest? Isolation? Every community, everywhere, has their fair share of lost souls behaving in horrendous ways. As we ourselves do. So, again, why sit there and point your finger at some, but not your own? Bigotry, fear and ignorance is why

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Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:01-09-2018 05:00:12Copy HTML

Alaska asks:  what happens when the migrant demands that the new country comply with (his) religious dogma?In that case, in the US you can sue (and likely win) like this fellow.  The plaintiff is of Native American heritage and says he follows indigenous beliefs.  The "migrant" so to speak is his white Christian ex boss.   I suspect this isn't an isolated or unique case.

Did you know that the Alaska Dept of Corrections has been forced to go pork free because of a lawsuit by an alleged muslim?  Yup, no more bacon, ham, sausage for anyone because a tiny minority are gaming the courts to secure priviliges;  special furnishings, special food, special treatment.  We've also been forced to provide, 'sweat lodges', for 'native' alaskans.

Tell me more about the law separating church and state, protecting us from the imposition of religious dogma. 

I don't know how bad islam will get in the US.  Is not unreasonable to look across the pond for an idea of what to expect.  



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