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  • From:USA

Date Posted:22-08-2018 12:40:18Copy HTML

I'm in the deep end. With pool noodles. Forgive me.

So, family; extended family; tribe; village; society; culture; civilization...or close enough if correctly conceptualized and prioritized. There is division of labor: in families, women do x and men do y...er, well, maybe not. In extended families, some men might do y(1) well, while others might do y(2) better. Same goes for women. So labor is again divided. Etc., etc., etc..... As the community expands, work is divided up among various groups and individuals; certain "institutions" emerge as the efforts become more organized; status becomes a thing as some functions are valued more or less, and as individuals contribute more or less. As we move through the frames of reference from family structures to civilizations, more and more complex social structures have become the tradition or the norm. 

In comes a traveler from a distant civilization. Or ten, even. They exchange some pleasantries and maybe a few trinkets. They go home. In comes a hundred travelers form a dozen distant civilizations. They spend a large time sharing their wares and enjoying our ways, and then they go home. But sometimes some of them don't go home; sometimes some of them stay and something like a co-adoption might occur. The "other" adapts his way of being to conform with the existing social constructs, while the existing civilization assimilates into its own ways and means the contributions the "other" brought with him that made him welcome as a conditional adoptee. 

If a civilization attempts multiculturalism, what happens to the society that originally built the civilization? What happens to the institutions that evolved through generational socialization? What would one expect the villages and communities to collectively feel about the state of their civilizational institutions should it come to pass that their own local structures be forcibly changed to accommodate the cultural expectations of a vast, uninvited, collection of multicultural migrants? A society can't assimilate cultural changes. Society gives rise to culture. Culture can be fairly readily adapted to generally accepted social evolutions in a bottom up process, but top down cultural impositions onto society causes within communities and reversions to more tribal biases than would otherwise occur. 

easyrider123 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #31
  • From:Norway

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:01-09-2018 06:45:50Copy HTML

you are an ill man
THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE Honesty and frankness make you vulnerable. Be honest and frank anyway.
alaskaone Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #32
  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:22-09-2018 03:22:29Copy HTML

you are an ill man


I certainly find beliefs such as yours nauseating but that doesn't rise to the status of, 'illness'.  Sorry.


For those interested in trying to understand folk like EZ, here's an interesting take to consider...


The Preachers of the Great Awokening


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Nickel Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #33
  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:02-10-2018 01:19:01Copy HTML

Alaska asks:  what happens when the migrant demands that the new country comply with (his) religious dogma?In that case, in the US you can sue (and likely win) like this fellow.  The plaintiff is of Native American heritage and says he follows indigenous beliefs.  The "migrant" so to speak is his white Christian ex boss.   I suspect this isn't an isolated or unique case.

Did you know that the Alaska Dept of Corrections has been forced to go pork free because of a lawsuit by an alleged muslim?  Yup, no more bacon, ham, sausage for anyone because a tiny minority are gaming the courts to secure priviliges;  special furnishings, special food, special treatment.  We've also been forced to provide, 'sweat lodges', for 'native' alaskans.

Tell me more about the law separating church and state, protecting us from the imposition of religious dogma. 

I don't know how bad islam will get in the US.  Is not unreasonable to look across the pond for an idea of what to expect.  




I can understand offering a pork free option for religious reasons, vegetarian, etc., but not eliminating it for meat eaters whose religion doesn’t object.  Have atheists no rights in Alaska?


About the separation of church and state, someone has to place that argument before the court, and if it’s state court, they’re not obliged to follow federal:  states rights......


It’s wise to look across the pond, their issues eventually knock on our doors, heads up......

What goes around, comes around.
Nickel Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #34
  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:02-10-2018 01:28:46Copy HTML

The problem with the melting pot is the lack of freedom. We’re closer to a garden: different plants have different needs to flourish, but they all need a level of sun, water, and soil that makes them Americans, rugged individualists, in the main, that accept, tolerate different strokes for different folks. Our multicultural cuisine has created some of the best junk food on earth. America is the answer to why can’t we all get along.
What goes around, comes around.
nateonthenet Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #35
  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:02-10-2018 01:37:46Copy HTML

I just returned from a 3 week vacation through the maritime Canadian provinces over to Quebec. I was surprised to see more muslims there than here. muslims are 1% here and 3% there. I actually witnessed the commemoration of a statue in Halifax that celebrated the early Lebanese immigrants. I spoke to several Canadians about immigrant issues. They said there is some angst but not the hatred they see in the U.S. But. let's think for a second. 1% of our population is muslim. shut the fuck up about being overrun with Islamic laws. you're just ignorant. Same for Asians. Be afraid? Go fuck yourself. They are everywhere in Canada and things are fine. And, Hispanics are now entering as well. the history of the world shows continual migration. Nothing is gonna change except the acceleration due to climate change. Tranquila! it's all good long term unless you are pat Buchanan or david duke or Alaska. I used to live in Quincy, Mass and spent a couple days in boston. took the freedom trail again and found it better than ever. What, there was free schooling in mass in the 1600s? Jesus, republicans should take a fucking history lesson. OTOH, only 5 - 10% of the people could vote. No women, and only white men owning more than about 40 acres of land, Republicans are doing everything they can to return to that structure. so, you can argue both sides. It is amazing to me that our country, a nation of immigrant, and a melting pot of cultures, continues to be afraid of the very things that allowed them to come here in the first place.
In endlessly dragging debates over the nedia, the stupid opinion is treated with the same respect as the intelligent one, the misinformed may talk as long as the informed, and propaganda rides along with education, truth with falsehood. Herbert Marcuse
skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #36
  • From:Argentina

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:02-10-2018 01:52:00Copy HTML

Wow Nate.  That's profound!


How many people do you think there were to avail themselves of free schooling in the 1600's?

Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
nateonthenet Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #37
  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:02-10-2018 03:31:25Copy HTML

Wow Nate.  That's profound!


How many people do you think there were to avail themselves of free schooling in the 1600's?


Everyone in Boston.  What's your point?

In endlessly dragging debates over the nedia, the stupid opinion is treated with the same respect as the intelligent one, the misinformed may talk as long as the informed, and propaganda rides along with education, truth with falsehood. Herbert Marcuse
skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #38
  • From:Argentina

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:02-10-2018 04:09:24Copy HTML

So, probably not say, 25 million kids a year.

Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
nateonthenet Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #39
  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:02-10-2018 04:15:59Copy HTML

So, probably not say, 25 million kids a year.


again, what's your point?

In endlessly dragging debates over the nedia, the stupid opinion is treated with the same respect as the intelligent one, the misinformed may talk as long as the informed, and propaganda rides along with education, truth with falsehood. Herbert Marcuse
Nickel Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #40
  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:02-10-2018 07:24:07Copy HTML

I just returned from a 3 week vacation through the maritime Canadian provinces over to Quebec.  I was surprised to see more muslims there than here.  muslims are 1% here and 3% there.  I actually witnessed the commemoration of a statue in Halifax that celebrated the early Lebanese immigrants.  I spoke to several Canadians about immigrant issues.  They said there is some angst but not the hatred they see in the U.S. But. let's think for a second.  1% of our population is muslim.  shut the fuck up about being overrun with Islamic laws. you're just ignorant.  Same for Asians.  Be afraid?  Go fuck yourself.  They are everywhere in Canada and things are fine.  And, Hispanics are now entering as well. the history of the world shows continual migration.  Nothing is gonna change except the acceleration due to climate change. Tranquila!  it's all good long term unless you are pat Buchanan or david duke or Alaska. I used to live in Quincy, Mass and spent a couple days in boston.  took the freedom trail again and found it better than ever.  What, there was free schooling in mass in the 1600s?  Jesus, republicans should take a fucking history lesson.  OTOH, only 5 - 10% of the people could vote.  No women, and only white men owning more than about 40 acres of land,  Republicans are doing everything they can to return to that structure.  so, you can argue both sides. It is amazing to me that our country, a nation of immigrant, and a melting pot of cultures, continues to be afraid of the very things that allowed them to come here in the first place.



There was a time when England was one percent, a time when India was at one percent before the critical number reached through winning the hearts and minds allowed for force and the opposition from Hindu et al resulted in a population decline of 80 million, an awesome number when you consider how we mourn and feel guilt over 6 million Jews.  The creation of Pakistan  appeared to stop the genocide, but gave them a state from which to.......fly planes, protect Osama.......


Similar to the genocide of Sudan solution of dividing that country north and south, relentless is the pursuit of dominating.


Caution tales from history and recent memory, ought to raise our guard not lower it by thinking it could never happen here.

What goes around, comes around.
nateonthenet Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #41
  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:02-10-2018 07:47:06Copy HTML

i'll worry when muslims hit 30% catholic Hispanics don't worry me irish do.
In endlessly dragging debates over the nedia, the stupid opinion is treated with the same respect as the intelligent one, the misinformed may talk as long as the informed, and propaganda rides along with education, truth with falsehood. Herbert Marcuse
alaskaone Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #42
  • From:USA

Re:This is screwed up: multicultural society.

Date Posted:10-10-2018 12:47:11Copy HTML

WASHINGTON — Hundreds of migrant families seeking asylum in the U.S. were released from detention in Arizona this week without warning and without instructions on where to go, how to find relatives or travel to their court hearings.

A senior Department of Homeland Security official told NBC News the release is "the start of a dam breaking" as family detention facilities, which now hold thousands of migrants, reach capacity.

...

The reason, the official said, is the growing number of immigrant families coming to the U.S. seeking asylum. In August, the latest month for which data is available, more than 12,700 parents and children traveling together were apprehended crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, up from 4,193 in August 2017.

ICE spokeswoman Yasmeen O'Keefe said because of the volume of families presenting themselves along the Arizona border, ICE can no longer review each immigrant's travel plans prior to release without violating a federal court agreement, known as the Flores settlement, that limits the amount of time children can be detained to 20 days.

...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/abrupt-release-hundreds-migrants-phoenix-start-dam-breaking-n918256



Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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