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Tomlapaz
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Date Posted:17-06-2018 01:49:58Copy HTML

All of us are like sheep - we go astray.   The question is whether we come to hear the voice of the true master.


There are sheep, for example, that just blithely assume evolution is 'proven'.   It is what they were taught, and they never question it.

This thread allows a demonstration of such regarding the same article.

What is the actual evidence - in one's own words (though quotes/links can be used for reference) that could not be explained or would not have happened if evolution (single cell to man version) did not happen?

Not the assumptions that are often tied with such evidence - evidence that, speaking for itself, can only lead one to believe evolution (as noted) happened.


https://evolutionnews.org/2018/05/for-selling-evolution-a-little-knowledge-is-a-glorious-thing/

because in my experience, many Americans accept evolution because they are uninformed. That is, they have heard the popular arguments for the theory but have encountered little if any of the strongest evidence against it. 

Even many highly educated evolutionists betray a curious ignorance of evidence against evolution, evidence that sits in plain sight both in and beyond the peer-reviewed literature.

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Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #31
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:24-06-2018 06:33:54Copy HTML

You realize just doing a copy and paste also illustrates what the OP refers to?
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Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #32
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:24-06-2018 08:05:44Copy HTML

I thought you would like it.  You did read it?
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #33
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:24-06-2018 12:28:39Copy HTML

 You realize just doing a copy and paste also illustrates what the OP refers to?

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yes Tomas I know.  Copy and pasting a scientific study allows you to discount it simply because it was copy and pasted.



"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #34
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:24-06-2018 12:30:58Copy HTML

 Here's the thing Tomas. You are ignorant of the science.  You cannot discuss the science because you are ignorant of the science.  To you, it looks like Greek.   You don't want to know about the science, because if you did, you wouldn't be able to continue to dodge the discussion of anything technical.  It is much easier for you to say "no it isn't" or  "That was just a copy and paste" than to actually debate the scientific data .….which you cannot.

You are fool.  An ignorant and mentally unwell fool.


"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #35
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:24-06-2018 07:31:08Copy HTML

Reply to Yobbo

I thought you would like it.  You did read it?


The chart I could not - too small.   Seems to be from a creationist site, so what was the point?


I am looking for something that we  know is true, but can only be explained by unicellular to man evolution.   So far, nothing.

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skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #36
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:24-06-2018 07:51:29Copy HTML

 I am looking for something that we  know is true, but can only be explained by unicellular to man evolution.   So far, nothing.

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So far, everything.  Sad that you are so willfully ignorant to even try to get into the technical data.  If you ever do learn anything at all about the molecular clock, DNA, biogeography, ontogeny, morphology, isochronic dating, epigenetics, observed speciation, the lack of barriers to speciation outside of a "kind", the evidence of transitional forms, etc.  Let me know and we can have a technical discussion.

Odd that someone who knows absolutely nothing about evolution would talk about it so much much.


"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #37
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:25-06-2018 02:40:01Copy HTML

Great - just give a specific example of such, and explaining how, if evolution (unicellular to man) was not true, than these examples would not exist - could not happen.

I am thinking you cannot, if for no other reason, that despite your claim, you really have dug into either the literature of ID scientists, or creation scientists.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #38
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:25-06-2018 03:03:03Copy HTML

 I have given hundreds of examples.  Every example I have ever given you in the five or more years of your being unable to refute any of them.   You don't know the first thing about evolution.  You have never entered a technical discussion about any of the data....and then you ask for what you don't understand, never read, and have no intention of ever comprehending.

You are a very dishonest and mentally ill person.   If I thought you would actually have a technical debate about any science I post other than simply saying "no it isn't", I might offer even more science. You have no interest in reading any of it.  You've never read or discussed a single study I have ever posted.

You are a sad pathetic little man trying to cling to his prehistoric beliefs...so you lie.

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #39
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:25-06-2018 03:11:57Copy HTML

Legend in your own mind, eh?

Well, to be fair, as  it is clear now that you really have not looked into opposing arguments, or at least understood them - you probably really do not understand what the OP is asking anyway.

But hopefully you will one day, and then try to take up the challenge of the OP.  

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #40
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:25-06-2018 02:11:21Copy HTML

 I am quite a famous scientist thank you.  Im the environmental lead on the Iowa train derailment right now. I appreciate your admiration.

It is clear I have looked at all creationist arguments and alleged evidences.  Pick your favorite and lets dicsuss it.  Here they all are.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html

Of course, you have started about ten evolution threads over the years and fail to ever discuss any of the arguments. Imagine my shock that you claim knowledge of creationist arguments is vital, but fail to present any such knowledge.


"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #41
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:25-06-2018 02:12:50Copy HTML

 UPDATE:

Tomas' multiple evolution threads on the value of creationist scientific knowledge.

5 pages and thus far the creationist knowledge and science posted by Tomas.

0....as in ZERO.  Not one piece of this evidence he says is so valuable has been presented or discussed.


"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #42
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:25-06-2018 02:39:26Copy HTML

 3.8 billion years ago.  The only life on the planet was bacteria.  How do we know this?  Very accurate isochronic dating.

3.5 billion years.  The only fossils in existence are single celled organisms.

2.4 billion years ago.  - the only forms of life are bacteria, virus, cyanobacteria.  They begin to fill the atmosphere with oxygen.  It is largely methane at this time. How do we know this.....the elemental makeup of the rocks from that time period.  If you want to know more on how we know, just ask.

2.1 billions years ago.  The first organisms use photosynthesis to make food.

1.5 billion years - the first fossil record of primitive animals, single celled amoeba like creatures.

900 million years -first multicellular life in the fossil record.

800 million years.  In the animal world, sponges break off from everything else.  Today, they remain the most primitive forms in the animal kingdom.

700 million years ago...the first jellyfish appear.

630 million years, the first bilaterally symmetric animal in the fossil record  (two equal sides instead of round).  No other life forms exist in the fossil record but the alga, bacteria, virus, sponges, cnidarians and early bilaterally symmetric multicellular animals.  No dinosaurs, no mastodons, no apes, no people. 

590 million years - the very first protostomes and deuterostomes split in the animal kingdom. Protostomes become arthopods, insects, crustacea. Deuterostomes become mammals.

565 million years ago....the first fossil animal that can move under its own power appears in the chronological record.

535 million years ago.....ability to move on own power, favorable climate result in explosion of appearance of forms in the fossil record....the Cambrian explosion.  during this time in the fossil chronological record, we see the appearance of vertebrates, fishes, trilobites.

460 million years ago, the first organisms out of water appear in the record....plants.

440 million years, the fishlike creatures split into elasmobranchs (sharks, rays) and fishes.

400 million years.  arthropods make their way out of water.  The first land-dwelling insect fossil found.

300 million years - amphibians and fishes with leg-like structures begin to spend part of their life out of water. Reptiles begin to dominate the land in the fossil record. 

250 million years.  Many forms are no longer found in the fossil record.  Much of life on earth became extinct.  Trilobites, stromatolites, and other organisms that dominated the oceans are gone in the fossil record.

210 million years ago - the first bird-like reptiles are found in the fossil record.

150 million years.  First bird fossil shows up in chronological record. 

140 million years.  Placental mammals and marsupials split.

130 million years - the first flowering plants appear in fossil record.

100 million years - large reptiles dominate the landscape.  It is the height of the dinosaurs.

90 million years.  Ocean starved of oxygen from massive underwater volcanic eruptions, many forms disappear form fossil record.

70 million - first grasses in fossil record.

65 million.  Meteor hits earth.  Dinsoaurs say goodbye.  No more in the fossil record....well...we still have a couple.

48 million years - first fossils of whale-like creatures found in ocean.

40 million years - first new world monkey fossil in the record.

25 million years - apes and old world monkeys split

18 million - gibbons first seen

12 million orangutans added to fossil record, gorillas and chimps diverge in fossil record.

6 million years - first hominid found in fossil record.

5-6 million years, hominids begin walking on two legs.


_______ 

 Please ask if you want to know how we know this.  Or google isochronic dating.  It is quite accurate.  IN order for it not to be accurate, the laws of physics and radioactive decay had to be vastly different in the past....and if decay was much much faster such that this all happened in 10,000 years, we would all be dead from radiation.  In other words, it is not possible that this is incorrect.

Hence....evolution is a fact based on the factual data from the fossil record alone.  Add in phylogenetics, genetics, biogeography and more....it is an incontrovertible fact.  No longer a topic of debate in science.

I repeat, this is no longer a topic of debate in science.  It has not been a topic of debate among scientists for many many decades.










"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #43
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:25-06-2018 02:41:47Copy HTML

 Any time you would like to discuss the creationist arguments I will oblige Tomas.  I know a lot more about them than you do. 
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #44
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:25-06-2018 08:33:05Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 3.8 billion years ago.  The only life on the planet was bacteria.  How do we know this?  Very accurate isochronic dating.

3.5 billion years.  The only fossils in existence are single celled organisms.

2.4 billion years ago.  - the only forms of life are bacteria, virus, cyanobacteria.  They begin to fill the atmosphere with oxygen.  It is largely methane at this time. How do we know this.....the elemental makeup of the rocks from that time period.  If you want to know more on how we know, just ask.

2.1 billions years ago.  The first organisms use photosynthesis to make food.

1.5 billion years - the first fossil record of primitive animals, single celled amoeba like creatures.

900 million years -first multicellular life in the fossil record.

800 million years.  In the animal world, sponges break off from everything else.  Today, they remain the most primitive forms in the animal kingdom.

700 million years ago...the first jellyfish appear.

630 million years, the first bilaterally symmetric animal in the fossil record  (two equal sides instead of round).  No other life forms exist in the fossil record but the alga, bacteria, virus, sponges, cnidarians and early bilaterally symmetric multicellular animals.  No dinosaurs, no mastodons, no apes, no people. 

590 million years - the very first protostomes and deuterostomes split in the animal kingdom. Protostomes become arthopods, insects, crustacea. Deuterostomes become mammals.

565 million years ago....the first fossil animal that can move under its own power appears in the chronological record.

535 million years ago.....ability to move on own power, favorable climate result in explosion of appearance of forms in the fossil record....the Cambrian explosion.  during this time in the fossil chronological record, we see the appearance of vertebrates, fishes, trilobites.

460 million years ago, the first organisms out of water appear in the record....plants.

440 million years, the fishlike creatures split into elasmobranchs (sharks, rays) and fishes.

400 million years.  arthropods make their way out of water.  The first land-dwelling insect fossil found.

300 million years - amphibians and fishes with leg-like structures begin to spend part of their life out of water. Reptiles begin to dominate the land in the fossil record. 

250 million years.  Many forms are no longer found in the fossil record.  Much of life on earth became extinct.  Trilobites, stromatolites, and other organisms that dominated the oceans are gone in the fossil record.

210 million years ago - the first bird-like reptiles are found in the fossil record.

150 million years.  First bird fossil shows up in chronological record. 

140 million years.  Placental mammals and marsupials split.

130 million years - the first flowering plants appear in fossil record.

100 million years - large reptiles dominate the landscape.  It is the height of the dinosaurs.

90 million years.  Ocean starved of oxygen from massive underwater volcanic eruptions, many forms disappear form fossil record.

70 million - first grasses in fossil record.

65 million.  Meteor hits earth.  Dinsoaurs say goodbye.  No more in the fossil record....well...we still have a couple.

48 million years - first fossils of whale-like creatures found in ocean.

40 million years - first new world monkey fossil in the record.

25 million years - apes and old world monkeys split

18 million - gibbons first seen

12 million orangutans added to fossil record, gorillas and chimps diverge in fossil record.

6 million years - first hominid found in fossil record.

5-6 million years, hominids begin walking on two legs.


_______ 

 Please ask if you want to know how we know this.  Or google isochronic dating.  It is quite accurate.  IN order for it not to be accurate, the laws of physics and radioactive decay had to be vastly different in the past....and if decay was much much faster such that this all happened in 10,000 years, we would all be dead from radiation.  In other words, it is not possible that this is incorrect.

Hence....evolution is a fact based on the factual data from the fossil record alone.  Add in phylogenetics, genetics, biogeography and more....it is an incontrovertible fact.  No longer a topic of debate in science.

I repeat, this is no longer a topic of debate in science.  It has not been a topic of debate among scientists for many many decades.



How silly!  The earth is only 6000 years old, the bible tells us so, so how can you claim it is billions of years?









"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #45
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:25-06-2018 10:40:31Copy HTML

 This is where Wale says the bible doesn't specify 6,000 years, followed by no dates specified by Wale.  They don't like to debate facts, only to tell you that you are wrong without having to actually enter a technical debate.

The extent of  their ability to debate science is: "You are wring, you should get some creationist knowledge, many people are wrong like you"


"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #46
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:25-06-2018 11:26:34Copy HTML

Post 42 has a few issues, but the main thing to notice here is - it is based on assumptions.

And, apparently, posting that means someone does not understand the OP - which was already established.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #47
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:02-07-2018 09:14:14Copy HTML

 What assumptions?  List them.  Let's talk about exactly how inaccurate they might be shall we?  All you ever do is say...well that is an assumption.

OK what assumption?  Hint.  The assumption that matters is that radioactivity was pretty much the same back then as it was now.  It has decay rates that we can measure andare accurate over many years.  If you think the earth is young, then radioactive decay had to occur much faster in our past.  So fast in fact it would have melted us in a nuclear-like fashion long long ago.

So tell us how you reconcile radioactive decay?

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #48
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:02-07-2018 11:37:53Copy HTML

Well, we can start with dating assumptions (radioactive and otherwise).

List all the assumptions first, and we can go from there - not just the one.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #49
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:03-07-2018 11:21:29Copy HTML

Classic Tomlapaz avoidance of the question.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #50
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:03-07-2018 11:25:57Copy HTML

Really?  Here we are, 2nd page, still waiting for someone to give an answer to the OP.  At least Skw is trying - you Bogus?


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Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #51
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:03-07-2018 12:33:57Copy HTML

Yes, really, Tom.

Skwanderer did, in fact, answer to the OP, like all the rest of the times you've addressed the same topic.  Just like all the previous times, Tom, you didn't like his answer and in response falsely declared that he didn't answer, all the while strenuously avoiding answering any questions posed to you as well as any actual discussion of the topic.

You simply want to declare that your beliefs are THE true reality of everything and belittle anyone who disagrees.  You are no different to wale63 in that regard.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #52
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:03-07-2018 12:55:22Copy HTML

If he did, you should be able to at least reference it, and explain how it did meet the OP criteria.

But I wont hold my breath there...............

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Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #53
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:03-07-2018 02:33:32Copy HTML

LOL  "criteria" that's rich.  Just like you, I won't be holding my breath waiting for you to specifically state what that alleged "criteria" is exactly.  LOL

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #54
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:03-07-2018 05:58:37Copy HTML

 Well, we can start with dating assumptions (radioactive and otherwise).

List all the assumptions first, and we can go from there - not just the one.

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"radioactive and otherwise"  -  lol.  Tomas,  You are such an idiot.  You have no clue how these methods work. 

Let's start with you getting acquainted with what isochron dating is.  If you want to refute something, you should have some idea what it is you are refuting.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/isochron-dating.html#isochron

Isochron dating is preferred to radiometric (not "radioactive or otherwise") because a forth measurement is taken and the assumption is that the parent and daughter element ratio in the original rock source is unknown.  In other words, the parent and daughter elements in the original source do not need to be known.  Hence. no assumption at all.  WE don't need to assume any quantity of parent or daughter element in the original rock

The only other assumption is that radioactive decay is radioactive decay and did not proceed thousands of times faster in the past such that the earth is actually young.  We know this assumption is  a fact because we have not melted from radiation long ago, which would have happened if radioactive decay proceeded faster in the past. Radioactive decay rates are kind of part of that laws of physics thing that we cant change.

Take your time reading about isochron dating.  I'll be here to discuss it when you are ready.


"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #55
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:04-07-2018 03:17:28Copy HTML

You could not answer the simple question about assumptions, and you have yet to given an example of the OP.

No surprise.

Hey, if you are curious enough to do more research on Isochron dating, check out both the ICR and Answers in Genesis site.

If you are curious enough.

Here is one to start:

https://answersingenesis.org/geology/radiometric-dating/key-flaw-found-radioisotope-isochron-dating/

North Carolina State University has recently conducted research revealing an “oversight in a radioisotope dating technique used to date everything from meteorites to geologic samples,” which means that “scientists have likely overestimated the ages of many samples.” This research was done in the university’s Nuclear Engineering Department by Associate Professor Robert Hayes and a report published in the journal Nuclear Technology.1

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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:04-07-2018 03:49:30Copy HTML

Reply to Boguspumped

Yes, really, Tom.

Skwanderer did, in fact, answer to the OP, like all the rest of the times you've addressed the same topic.  Just like all the previous times, Tom, you didn't like his answer and in response falsely declared that he didn't answer, all the while strenuously avoiding answering any questions posed to you as well as any actual discussion of the topic.

You simply want to declare that your beliefs are THE true reality of everything and belittle anyone who disagrees.  You are no different to wale63 in that regard.


Freud had alluded to homosexuality numerous times in his writings, and had concluded that paranoia and homosexuality were inseparable. LOL
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #57
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:04-07-2018 03:50:37Copy HTML

LOL

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Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #58
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:04-07-2018 07:57:54Copy HTML

The first amendment room ejected Wale63 for his continual attacks on homosexuals.  
Glad to see him go from there even though the action rather contradicted the name of the group.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #59
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:04-07-2018 08:03:45Copy HTML

 

You could not answer the simple question about assumptions, and you have yet to given an example of the OP.

No surprise

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I did answer the questions about assumptions.  There are no assumptions of daughter or parent material in isochron dating.  The only assumption is that radioactive decay rates remain relatively constant.

If you refute this, then refute is and stop obsfuscating.

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:04-07-2018 08:07:35Copy HTML

 

Here is one to start:

https://answersingenesis.org/geology/radiometric-dating/key-flaw-found-radioisotope-isochron-dating/

North Carolina State University has recently conducted research revealing an “oversight in a radioisotope dating technique used to date everything from meteorites to geologic samples,” which means that “scientists have likely overestimated the ages of many samples.” This research was done in the university’s Nuclear Engineering Department by Associate Professor Robert Hayes and a report published in the journal Nuclear Technology.1

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LOL   This is just a cut and paste Tomas.  Where are your own words?  Did you download the Robert Hayes research that 'answersingenesis" is butchering?  They are lying to you about this research.

Dr. Hayes presents statistical methods to refine radiocarbon technicues.  He is not saying they are wildly incorrect such that the earth is young.  Dr. Hayes describes how ratios are not even necessary.  He has not adjusted the age estimates to suggest the earth is even remotely young.  We are talking about the difference between 360 million years and 353 million years.  


You are an idiot Tomas

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.13182/NT16-98



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