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Tomlapaz
  • From:USA

Date Posted:17-06-2018 01:49:58Copy HTML

All of us are like sheep - we go astray.   The question is whether we come to hear the voice of the true master.


There are sheep, for example, that just blithely assume evolution is 'proven'.   It is what they were taught, and they never question it.

This thread allows a demonstration of such regarding the same article.

What is the actual evidence - in one's own words (though quotes/links can be used for reference) that could not be explained or would not have happened if evolution (single cell to man version) did not happen?

Not the assumptions that are often tied with such evidence - evidence that, speaking for itself, can only lead one to believe evolution (as noted) happened.


https://evolutionnews.org/2018/05/for-selling-evolution-a-little-knowledge-is-a-glorious-thing/

because in my experience, many Americans accept evolution because they are uninformed. That is, they have heard the popular arguments for the theory but have encountered little if any of the strongest evidence against it. 

Even many highly educated evolutionists betray a curious ignorance of evidence against evolution, evidence that sits in plain sight both in and beyond the peer-reviewed literature.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #61
  • From:USA

Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:04-07-2018 09:20:21Copy HTML

Of course it is just cut and paste - in response to your cut and paste.   And?

The cut and paste I posted, quotes from a non Christian study, interesting does raise questions to your claims.   But it is up to you if want to follow up that.


Meanwhile, I still wait for one of you.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #62
  • From:USA

Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:04-07-2018 10:07:21Copy HTML

 

 
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #63
  • From:USA

Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:04-07-2018 10:38:02Copy HTML

Reply to Yobbo

The first amendment room ejected Wale63 for his continual attacks on homosexuals.  
Glad to see him go from there even though the action rather contradicted the name of the group.

No attacks on homosexuals. ATTACKS on homosexuality, and appropriately those who responded in kind or nonsensical.  Bear is spineless and hypocritical. I'm STILL here and it just goes to show as YOU just said that there is a contradiction in calling something as FIRST UNAMENDMENT room and not practicing it. You are still absurd.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #64
  • From:USA

Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:04-07-2018 11:33:43Copy HTML

 

The cut and paste I posted, quotes from a non Christian study, interesting does raise questions to your claims.   But it is up to you if want to follow up that.


Meanwhile, I still wait for one of you.

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The cut and paste you provided did p=not provide any evidence that the age of the earth is young.  The statistical methods proposed in the paper are meant to improve isochron or radiometric dating, not criticize it.  The result was some younger ages, like 345 million years ago instead of 350 million years.  The paper doesn't do what you creationists want it to do.

I did answer the questions about assumptions.  There are no assumptions of daughter or parent material in isochron dating.  The only assumption is that radioactive decay rates remain relatively constant.

If you refute this, then refute is and stop obsfuscating.

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #65
  • From:USA

Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:07-07-2018 07:58:20Copy HTML

Still waiting.   
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #66
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:08-07-2018 12:29:59Copy HTML

Well, I guess that makes three of us.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #67
  • From:USA

Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:08-07-2018 01:08:00Copy HTML

I guess we are waiting for different things.

I am waiting for someone to show there is actually something to evolution (molecules to man) by taking up the OP challenge.

No one has, so for that, I am still waiting.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #68
  • From:USA

Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:08-07-2018 01:47:07Copy HTML

I guess you didn't notice.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
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  • From:USA

Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:08-07-2018 03:02:08Copy HTML

What is clear and obvious is the below has not happened.   No one has given a piece of evidence, and explain why ONLY molecules to man evolution could explain it.


What is the actual evidence - in one's own words (though quotes/links can be used for reference) that could not be explained or would not have happened if evolution (single cell to man version) did not happen?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #70
  • From:New_zealand

Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:15-07-2018 01:41:40Copy HTML

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"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:15-07-2018 03:01:24Copy HTML

Still no answer.  Just list the evidence that, when one sees it, one says - yep, molecules to man evolution is the only way to explain that.


What is the actual evidence (not assumptions) - in one's own words (though quotes/links can be used for reference) that could not be explained or would not have happened if evolution (single cell to man version) did not happen?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #72
  • From:USA

Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:22-07-2018 11:06:01Copy HTML

 I've done it many times Tomas.  You are too stupid and also willfully ignorant of data you have no desire to understand or capability of debating.  You are the most dishonest poster on the board.  Over the years I have posted the molecular clock and mutation rate correlation with phylogenetics and biogeography that has long ago demonstrated the truth of evolution.  It is no longer a question on this planet expcet among idiot willful morons like yourself that are captivated by your fable in favor of reality.

Providing you the evidence has been done.  You are unable to debate it.  You have never been able to debate any of the evidence.....hence; why the fuck do you even ask for it?   When provided with evidence and it is clear you are unable to debate or refute, you eventually run away.  Then you start a new thread like this one and pretend no one has ever given you any answers.....when it is you who are incapable of even entering a discussion on the technical answers given repeatedly. 


 Dishonesty coupled with mental illness....that is Tomas.

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
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  • From:USA

Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:22-07-2018 09:18:34Copy HTML

Well, if you have, simply list it here.   Just list the actual evidence (not copy and paste articles) that could not be explained or would not have happened if evolution (since cell to man version) did not happen.   Something like:

We know this - and this clearly shows evolution as noted and there is no other explanation.

Not assumptions - but evidence.   Keep in mind, evolutionists smarter than you recognize the assumptions.

Will continue to wait.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #74
  • From:USA

Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:25-09-2018 07:18:37Copy HTML

Well, if you have, simply list it here. Just list the actual evidence (not copy and paste articles) that could not be explained or would not have happened if evolution (since cell to man version) did not happen. Something like: We know this - and this clearly shows evolution as noted and there is no other explanation. Not assumptions - but evidence. Keep in mind, evolutionists smarter than you recognize the assumptions. Will continue to wait. ———————- Been done a million times. I’ve given you tons of evidence with no assumptions. Why would anyone waste their time with a sheep like you who has already made up his mind and with no desire to hear or see any evidence? While science has determined evolution is true because we have witnessed it, no scientist has stopped trying to find out more about it. We continue to learn of epigenetic effects on evolution and more. We will continue to learn about it, but we will never learn it is not true. The acceptance of a religiousnlind idiot hardly merits any attention whatsoever.
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:25-09-2018 07:18:39Copy HTML

Well, if you have, simply list it here. Just list the actual evidence (not copy and paste articles) that could not be explained or would not have happened if evolution (since cell to man version) did not happen. Something like: We know this - and this clearly shows evolution as noted and there is no other explanation. Not assumptions - but evidence. Keep in mind, evolutionists smarter than you recognize the assumptions. Will continue to wait. ———————- Been done a million times. I’ve given you tons of evidence with no assumptions. Why would anyone waste their time with a sheep like you who has already made up his mind and with no desire to hear or see any evidence? While science has determined evolution is true because we have witnessed it, no scientist has stopped trying to find out more about it. We continue to learn of epigenetic effects on evolution and more. We will continue to learn about it, but we will never learn it is not true. The acceptance of a religiousnlind idiot hardly merits any attention whatsoever.
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
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  • From:USA

Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:25-09-2018 07:18:40Copy HTML

Well, if you have, simply list it here. Just list the actual evidence (not copy and paste articles) that could not be explained or would not have happened if evolution (since cell to man version) did not happen. Something like: We know this - and this clearly shows evolution as noted and there is no other explanation. Not assumptions - but evidence. Keep in mind, evolutionists smarter than you recognize the assumptions. Will continue to wait. ———————- Been done a million times. I’ve given you tons of evidence with no assumptions. Why would anyone waste their time with a sheep like you who has already made up his mind and with no desire to hear or see any evidence? While science has determined evolution is true because we have witnessed it, no scientist has stopped trying to find out more about it. We continue to learn of epigenetic effects on evolution and more. We will continue to learn about it, but we will never learn it is not true. The acceptance of a religiousnlind idiot hardly merits any attention whatsoever.
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
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  • From:USA

Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:25-09-2018 07:18:40Copy HTML

Well, if you have, simply list it here. Just list the actual evidence (not copy and paste articles) that could not be explained or would not have happened if evolution (since cell to man version) did not happen. Something like: We know this - and this clearly shows evolution as noted and there is no other explanation. Not assumptions - but evidence. Keep in mind, evolutionists smarter than you recognize the assumptions. Will continue to wait. ———————- Been done a million times. I’ve given you tons of evidence with no assumptions. Why would anyone waste their time with a sheep like you who has already made up his mind and with no desire to hear or see any evidence? While science has determined evolution is true because we have witnessed it, no scientist has stopped trying to find out more about it. We continue to learn of epigenetic effects on evolution and more. We will continue to learn about it, but we will never learn it is not true. The acceptance of a religiousnlind idiot hardly merits any attention whatsoever.
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
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  • From:New_zealand

Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:25-09-2018 08:19:28Copy HTML

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"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
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  • From:USA

Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:26-09-2018 08:46:17Copy HTML

Would you just listen to this fucking moron Tomas Tomas: There are sheep, for example, that just blithely assume evolution is 'proven'. It is. We have witnessed it in front of our eyes. Tomas: Of course it is just cut and paste. The cut and paste I posted, quotes from a non Christian study, interesting does raise questions to your claims. Lol. You just cut and paste so I’ll ignore it. But my cut and paste..... you can’t make up this sort if stupidity. and b) your cut and paste demonstatednothing remotely to support your claim.
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
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Re:To sell evolution - what makes it unique?

Date Posted:26-09-2018 08:54:24Copy HTML

I’ll list the reasons we know evolution to man is a fact for the 500th time. A) we observe all sorts of evolution in short periods of time and there are absolutely no barriers to stop it from occurring over millions of years. B). There are no assumptions in any evolutionary scientific study or geologic study that negate an old earth. We see stars billions of light years away. How did the light get here if the heavens were just created? Thousands of other ironclad examples here C) the molecular clock and biogrogrsohic distribution of life , both living and the fossil record. This is a subject for which you are wholly ignorant and have never examined, but yet you declare you are certain only “sheep” would understand and accept. Quite an ignorant position. D) the fossil record over time E) current observations of human evolution. The human genome has evolved and changed in over a thousand locations in the genome in the recent past. Over 6 million years, we won’t recognize ourselves at that pace. More More more All for you to ignore, not comprehend, and then return with your declarations made in ignorance.
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
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