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Doe_Eyes
  • From:USA

Date Posted:19-12-2018 03:33:46Copy HTML

The Trump administration has banned the use of bump stocks, devices that let rifles fire like machine guns, after promising to do so earlier this year.

The final date to destroy or turn in the devices is 21 March, said White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders.

The push to ban bump stocks followed the deadly mass shootings in Las Vegas in October 2017 and Parkland, Florida in February.

Pro-gun advocates have said they are prepared to fight the rule in court.

Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker signed the new regulation on Tuesday, and it is expected to be published in the Federal Register on Friday.

Bump stocks, or slide fire adapters, allow semi-automatic rifles to fire at a high rate, similar to a machine gun, but can be obtained without the extensive background checks required of purchasing automatic weapons.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46614001


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PavlovsDog Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #1
  • From:USA

Re:US bans 'bump stock' gun device used in mass shootings

Date Posted:19-12-2018 04:21:54Copy HTML

Your title is inaccurate. It should read "a mass shooting" not "mass shootings". That leads the reader to falsely conclude there has been more than one case.

Unlike a Lie, the Truth requires no eloquence.
Doe_Eyes Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #2
  • From:USA

Re:US bans 'bump stock' gun device used in mass shootings

Date Posted:19-12-2018 06:45:05Copy HTML

Your title is inaccurate. It should read "a mass shooting" not "mass shootings". That leads the reader to falsely conclude there has been more than one case.



Yes, yes, you are correct in that ONE point.  But I wonder why you aren't yelling to the top of your lungs that this is an infringement on your Second Amendment rights.  Don't bump stocks help to better protect you in case of a tyranical government coming after whatever you think it is they will come after.


A 'Bump Stock' Ban Would Barely Affect Gun Violence in America

Gun control advocates say it would represent a step in the right direction, but much, much more has to be done.

Since Stephen Paddock murdered 58 people and injured about 500 others in Las Vegas on Sunday, America has been getting a crash course in an obscure piece of firearm technology called the "bump stock." Now even some Republicans in Congress are openly wondering why it's legal, raising the prospect that the worst mass shooting in US history might actually grease the wheels for gun control.

Bump stocks use the recoil of semiautomatic rifles to replicate the effect of an automatic weapon, letting people hold down the trigger to fire multiple rounds rather than squeezing the trigger for each shot. They're allowed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives because they don't technically make guns fully automatic, but after a dozen of the devices were found on guns Paddock had in his hotel room, lawmakers are pondering changing that. California Senator Dianne Feinstein introduced a bill banning them on Wednesday, and unlike most Democratic gun control proposals, it may earn bipartisan support. "There has to be a way to be able to stop this," Nevada senator Dean Heller said. Joe Barton, a Texas congressman, told Vox he'd "look at" a bump stock ban. John Cornyn, the number-two Republican in the Senate, has been voicing concern over the devices. Even the NRA has endorsed the feds conducting a "review" of the technology.

"They're horrible. There's no question those things should be illegal," said Matt Bennett, a gun control advocate at the centrist think tank Third Way.

But how much would a bump stock ban affect America's broader gun violence? "Virtually not at all" Bennett told me, later adding, "I don't know that bump stocks have ever been used in a gun crime before."

That could be because these are impractical devices—though they enhance the rate of fire, they make it harder to aim. A gun rights advocate told the Christian Science Monitor that bump stocks were an "amusement" and that "you can't hit anything with it. Only when you are presented 400 yards away with a field of uninterrupted humanity would something like that even be effective." (It's not yet certain that the Vegas shooter actually used the guns that were outfitted with bump stocks, though it does seem likely given audio recordings of his spree.)

Chelsea Parsons, a gun and crime policy expert at the liberal Center for American Progress, agrees with Bennett. "A bump stock ban is not at all responsive to the the more common problem of gun violence," she said.

Which is to say the one gun-control measure Congress might pass after America's latest historically awful shooting isn't very promising.

After all, the Vegas shooting—apparently meticulously planned to inflict massive pain and death on a crowd of random bystanders—is an "outlier," as Parsons put it. Most gun violence comes in more mundane forms: domestic abuse incidents that turn tragically to homicides, arguments between friends or strangers that get out of hand when firearms are introduced, or suicides—which make up the majority of gun deaths. That violence generally involves handguns, rather than rifles. A bump stock ban wouldn't affect any of that.

Ari Freilich, an attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, called a bump stock ban "an important step to ensuring we can address the legality of mass carnage event. Still, he cautioned, "Mass shootings are horrific, we need to address them, but they're also only a small sliver of gun violence." Also worth remembering: Most mass shootings don't involve bump stocks. A prohibition on bump stocks would be a real step, Freilich said, but there are many other moves that would reduce the ability of shooters to kill large numbers of people, such as restricting access to military-style weaponry and high-capacity magazines, and requiring gun stores to report more mass purchases.

All three experts I spoke to agreed on the measures needed to actually reduce the number of Americans killed by firearms, whether in mass shootings or otherwise. At the top of the list is requiring all gun purchasers to go through background checks—a long-sought goal of gun-control advocates that has proved elusive even after such horrific tragedies as the Sandy Hook shooting that killed 20 children in 2012. The federal government could also take new measures to crack down on interstate gun trafficking, which allows weapons to flow into big cities with strict gun laws, and work harder to keep guns out of the hands of domestic abusers.

Freilich said that based on his own conversations with lawmakers, there was "bipartisan consensus" around addressing bump stocks. But Bennett was less optimistic even about this modest measure, worrying a bump stock ban could wind up being attached to a piece of pro-gun legislation, like a bill that would create a national concealed-carry permit or make it easier to buy silencers. And even if Congress does pass a standalone bump stock ban into law, it wouldn't represent any kind of sea change in the willingness of America's political class to take on out-of-control gun violence.

"The odds of Congress taking any serious and meaningful action are virtually zero," said Bennett.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjxypw/a-bump-stock-ban-would-barely-affect-gun-violence-in-america

skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #3
  • From:Argentina

Re:US bans 'bump stock' gun device used in mass shootings

Date Posted:19-12-2018 06:57:11Copy HTML

There are several gun groups gearing up to challenge this, Doe.  


I'm betting you never heard the term bump stock before the Las Vegas shooting.   

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PavlovsDog Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #4
  • From:USA

Re:US bans 'bump stock' gun device used in mass shootings

Date Posted:19-12-2018 07:36:30Copy HTML

This is a pure knee jerk hysteria.

Unlike a Lie, the Truth requires no eloquence.
skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #5
  • From:Argentina

Re:US bans 'bump stock' gun device used in mass shootings

Date Posted:19-12-2018 07:44:51Copy HTML

Indeed it is hysteria, born of the impossibility of some socialists to control their emotions, choosing instead to treat E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G. with hyperbole and virtue signaling.

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Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #6
  • From:USA

Re:US bans 'bump stock' gun device used in mass shootings

Date Posted:19-12-2018 07:56:02Copy HTML

I'm betting that before the Las Vegas shooting, skrumpie, you never heard the term "bump stock" as well as damn near everyone else.

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govols Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #7
  • From:USA

Re:US bans 'bump stock' gun device used in mass shootings

Date Posted:19-12-2018 08:40:26Copy HTML

It won't hold up to challenge. It's a too expansive and textually unsubstantiated interpretation of law. 

Segovia_del_Prado Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #8
  • From:USA

Re:US bans 'bump stock' gun device used in mass shootings

Date Posted:21-12-2018 04:02:01Copy HTML

"bump stocks" were never that practical in application. They reduce accuracy to such a degree that they make a firearem damned near worthless. Unless you can incorporate a massive ammo feed system that would make them more into a sub-machine gun, they just indiscriminately spray lead. I have quite a collection of guns, including an AR, and it never occurred to me to even want one.
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #9
  • From:USA

Re:US bans 'bump stock' gun device used in mass shootings

Date Posted:21-12-2018 03:05:17Copy HTML

I'm curious, segovia.  Had you even heard of bump stocks before the Las Vegas shooting?


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bones1776 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #10
  • From:USA

Re:US bans 'bump stock' gun device used in mass shootings

Date Posted:21-12-2018 03:54:57Copy HTML

Seg is correct. Fully automatic firearms, unless set in a fixed position, are terribly inaccurate. The select fire feature on the M-4 and M-16 is usually set to semi-auto by troops because indiscriminant shooting wastes ammunition. It sounds scary but the chances of hitting what you are aiming at are slim. Even when more rounds are desired the M-16 will only fire 3 round bursts (not available on the civilian AR-15 and its variants).


The bump stock, which I had not heard of before Las Vegas, is a vanity accessory that a few assholes probably buy to impress the guys at the range. I have no problem with them existing or being banned. They are not a necessary component of a second amendment-protected weapon.

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PavlovsDog Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #11
  • From:USA

Re:US bans 'bump stock' gun device used in mass shootings

Date Posted:21-12-2018 04:37:51Copy HTML

The practical purpose of automatic fire is not accuracy, its suppression. Semi-auto fire is what is intended to be accurate and kill targets while those targets are under suppression from the automatic fire. Automatic fire is intended as part of a team weapons tactic.

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Segovia_del_Prado Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #12
  • From:USA

Re:US bans 'bump stock' gun device used in mass shootings

Date Posted:25-12-2018 09:22:33Copy HTML

that's a pretty accurate assessment, PD. My son showed me one of those things years ago, and I just shook my head and said, "who's paying for your ammo, if you want to make a lot of noise, firecrackers are cheaper".
PavlovsDog Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #13
  • From:USA

Re:US bans 'bump stock' gun device used in mass shootings

Date Posted:26-12-2018 11:20:23Copy HTML

LOL your on to something there Seg.  I wonder if you loaded half of the ammo for a full auto weapon with blanks, would it still have the same amount of suspension??? I'm betting on yes. 

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FL_Freebird Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #14
  • From:USA

Re:US bans 'bump stock' gun device used in mass shootings

Date Posted:26-12-2018 05:36:01Copy HTML

Why doesn't the left just make mental illness illegal?

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