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Nickel
  • From:USA

Date Posted:26-11-2018 06:19:00Copy HTML

The impressive thing about the following is how many mistakes were made trying to do good.  It may come as a shock just how much of America is desertifying, though we are aware of our desert, and the dust bowl thanks to Grapes of Wrath.  The solution is a shocker at first, then makes perfect sense.  Still seems self serving perhaps, so feel free to be skeptical.....oh and he is a slow speaker, so if you’re tired, don’t bother. If you can’t sleep, this may help:


https://youtu.be/vpTHi7O66pI


What goes around, comes around.
nateonthenet Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #1
  • From:USA

Re:We Have Never Understood Desertification

Date Posted:26-11-2018 06:47:17Copy HTML

Nickel: I think I speak for the board but certainly for myself when I say I respect and appreciate your posts.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #2
  • From:USA

Re:We Have Never Understood Desertification

Date Posted:26-11-2018 07:18:21Copy HTML

Have you read Cadillac desert?
govols Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #3
  • From:USA

Re:We Have Never Understood Desertification

Date Posted:26-11-2018 11:00:36Copy HTML

One of the great things about youtube is being able to run videos at 1.5 - 2 times faster. I've watched several documentaries that way in way less time and with far less frustration.

govols Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #4
  • From:USA

Re:We Have Never Understood Desertification

Date Posted:26-11-2018 11:02:25Copy HTML

This video becomes very easy to watch at 1.25x speed......

Nickel Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #5
  • From:USA

Re:We Have Never Understood Desertification

Date Posted:27-11-2018 10:05:59Copy HTML

The book is usually better, but I just finished this and though I had seen some of the clips before, how such things happen is clearer.  This is 1 - 9, but I noticed a 1 - 6 Cadillac Desert to check out.


I have to say, I held my breath for a bit when the Columbia River was mentioned.  That was quite the debate around here for a while, and we were going through the salmon issues alongside the over appropriations of Idaho water.  Plenty of Colorado River Lawyers found a place here after the Colorado settlements.  Can’t tell you how many times I used the Colorado River as an example when residents here would say, Why not let them have it once it’s flowed by us?  

What goes around, comes around.
Nickel Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #6
  • From:USA

Re:We Have Never Understood Desertification

Date Posted:27-11-2018 10:07:22Copy HTML

What goes around, comes around.
Yekyua Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #7
  • From:USA

Re:We Have Never Understood Desertification

Date Posted:27-11-2018 10:19:47Copy HTML

Watched the video, Nickel, and my first thought was that given the current attitude towards the use of animals by humans as exploitative, inhumane and all kinds of awful, don't know how politically feasible such a scheme adopted widely could be.  (Perhaps those objections have already been raised).  From the ecoscientific standpoint, I'd need to do a lot more research and thinking.  


PS - I like the slow speech.  Easier to process.  :-)


O ye wha are sae guid yoursel', Sae pious and sae holy, Ye've nought to do but mark and tell Your neibours' fauts and folly! -- Robert Burns (Address to the Unco Guid)
easyrider123 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #8
  • From:Norway

Re:We Have Never Understood Desertification

Date Posted:28-11-2018 01:19:22Copy HTML

The impressive thing about the following is how many mistakes were made trying to do good.  It may come as a shock just how much of America is desertifying, though we are aware of our desert, and the dust bowl thanks to Grapes of Wrath.  The solution is a shocker at first, then makes perfect sense.  Still seems self serving perhaps, so feel free to be skeptical.....oh and he is a slow speaker, so if you’re tired, don’t bother. If you can’t sleep, this may help:


https://youtu.be/vpTHi7O66pI




" The solution is a shocker at first, then makes perfect sense."


As we eat less meat, we can move herds of animals around the globe and facilitate this process.


Like he says, it is THE solution and it's doable if the will is present. 


Not a shocker at all to me, seems like intelligent scientific common sense reality

wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #9
  • From:USA

Re:We Have Never Understood Desertification

Date Posted:28-11-2018 02:12:04Copy HTML

The impressive thing about the following is how many mistakes were made trying to do good.  It may come as a shock just how much of America is desertifying, though we are aware of our desert, and the dust bowl thanks to Grapes of Wrath.  The solution is a shocker at first, then makes perfect sense.  Still seems self serving perhaps, so feel free to be skeptical.....oh and he is a slow speaker, so if you’re tired, don’t bother. If you can’t sleep, this may help:


https://youtu.be/vpTHi7O66pI




" The solution is a shocker at first, then makes perfect sense."


As we eat less meat, we can move herds of animals around the globe and facilitate this process.


Like he says, it is THE solution and it's doable if the will is present. 


Not a shocker at all to me, seems like intelligent scientific common sense reality


If YOU, SLEAZYRIDER, think this is an intelligent answer then it must be really STUPID!

govols Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #10
  • From:USA

Re:We Have Never Understood Desertification

Date Posted:28-11-2018 02:39:50Copy HTML

Well, if his premise continues to prove valid, more extensive testing becomes the proof and eventually serves as the sollution. 


EZ, why would we eat less meat?

Nickel Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #11
  • From:USA

Re:We Have Never Understood Desertification

Date Posted:28-11-2018 02:58:22Copy HTML

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About half way through, I was thinking maybe I have this wrong.  Congress has always been a scratch mine I’ll scratch yours way to get things done.  Cecil Andrus, good to see him, never forget how he stood up to the feds as governor over nuclear waste.  Anyway, Isn’t it great that birds saved us when knowledgeable people couldn’t?  I admire the Nez Perce Tribe here for small as they are, standing firm against ominous odds, pointing to treaty rights to save the salmon, successfully, when all the environmental groups in the world it seemed couldn’t make the feds budge.



What goes around, comes around.
Nickel Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #12
  • From:USA

Re:We Have Never Understood Desertification

Date Posted:28-11-2018 03:17:06Copy HTML

Nickel: I think I speak for the board but certainly for myself when I say I respect and appreciate your posts.


Thank you.


Scary as some of the voices and vocabularies are on this board, I find motivation to write and research and think that outweighs all that.  The ability to be perfectly honest is quite wonderful.  Even so, I steel myself when some nics have responded to a thread......lol.


In the main, I love the minds at work here.......

Nickel Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #13
  • From:USA

Re:We Have Never Understood Desertification

Date Posted:28-11-2018 06:14:52Copy HTML

What goes around, comes around.
easyrider123 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #14
  • From:Norway

Re:We Have Never Understood Desertification

Date Posted:28-11-2018 07:05:06Copy HTML

Well, if his premise continues to prove valid, more extensive testing becomes the proof and eventually serves as the sollution. 


EZ, why would we eat less meat?



Are you kidding? People are getting smarter as time and science goes on. Meat and dairy are unhealthy for us, and intelligent people have been staying away from food that is dangerous to one's health, more and more all the time. Do your homework, it's peer reviewed scientifc facts we are talking about.


Now we have a positive use for the over population of animals that were bred to eat. Common sense for people of action. You know.......learn, adapt, overcome obstacles. Not for the apathetic lemming herd types.


You do understand what he clearly puts forward in the OP video, right? Too large of an idea for you to wrap your head around?

govols Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #15
  • From:USA

Re:We Have Never Understood Desertification

Date Posted:28-11-2018 04:20:13Copy HTML

Meat and dairy aren’t unhealthy, gluttony is.

Yes, I understand the information in the video. I also understand long term trials that are both ongoing and expanding…as presented in the video…and unintended consequences. So far, the OP and the other video above about a whole other process of reclamation seem very promising. It’s good that multiple ideas are getting real world demonstrations.  

easyrider123 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #16
  • From:Norway

Re:We Have Never Understood Desertification

Date Posted:28-11-2018 05:06:55Copy HTML

"Meat and dairy aren’t unhealthy, gluttony is."


Sorry, but you are wrong. It's not opinion, it's fact. Gluttony is a different problem altogether by the way.


I suggest going on Netflix and watching 'What The Health' documentary if you want to learn some things concerning the problems with the western diet that is heavy on meat and dairy.


Here is a short consolidation of some of the major points.



THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE Honesty and frankness make you vulnerable. Be honest and frank anyway.
Nickel Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #17
  • From:USA

Re:We Have Never Understood Desertification

Date Posted:29-11-2018 08:51:45Copy HTML

My Dad had Type II diabetes. I spilled sugar when pregnant, went through the six hour test for disbates. So, I worried all my life about my children and me getting diabetes.....still don’t have it. My eating habits are scientifically wrong, always have been, and yet I’m healthy according to my last Wellness check. Perhaps, I’m special.
easyrider123 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #18
  • From:Norway

Re:We Have Never Understood Desertification

Date Posted:29-11-2018 09:22:03Copy HTML

My Dad had Type II diabetes.  I spilled sugar when pregnant, went through the six hour test for disbates.  So, I worried all my life about my children and me getting diabetes.....still don’t have it. My eating habits are scientifically wrong, always have been, and yet I’m healthy according to my last Wellness check.  Perhaps, I’m special.



According to what I have ingested over my many years I am fortunate to be in as good of condition as I am. But, that said...........having the knowledge concerning animal and dairy foods, I'll go with the clear science and have givin up animal and dairy products entirely. Increasing my chnaces of avoiding heart disease and cancers by a large margin. I don't miss them at all and I was a big consumer of both until about 2 years ago. 


This gives us an opportunity to make positive use of the animals we don't need to be breeding for food. It's a win, win, win. Ecological win, human health win and spritual win

Nickel Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #19
  • From:USA

Re:We Have Never Understood Desertification

Date Posted:29-11-2018 09:23:32Copy HTML

Chinese Science developed a paste from a substance held naturally in plant cell walls that added to sand can hold water, nutrients, and air....from #13 video above.... The results in six months seem sci-fi to me. Skeptical, of anything science proves since Tuna and Mercury, and The Merchants of Doubt, where can we get this paste? isn’t my first reaction. Besides, I am still working with the cattle, sheep, management and was a little distracted by the use of swales to green the desert. The western plains were sustained, apparently by buffalo herds, before folks started shooting them from trains. Since Rachel Carlson’s Silent Spring, I haven’t used chemical fertilizers, herbicides or pesticides. I have had great garden experiences with companion planting. Anyway, I haven’t settled on the best way to restore what was once freely given by nature. Good intentions deliver many unintended consequences. A Marine buddy set up his property to gravity feed water to his Avocado grove. The water is on a list of sources for fire fighters in Southern California. All sounds good, except why grow avocados there, when they grow in abundance naturally, just south of the border? The grant monies he used to improve his property could have gone toward something with more common sense. Of course, common sense is not too common in government.
easyrider123 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #20
  • From:Norway

Re:We Have Never Understood Desertification

Date Posted:30-11-2018 08:33:04Copy HTML

By the way, thanks for the 'Cadillac Dreams' link. I watched #1(9 10 min episodes on youtube) and look forward to 2 & 3.



THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE Honesty and frankness make you vulnerable. Be honest and frank anyway.
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