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Segovia_del_Prado
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Date Posted:26-08-2017 02:36:35Copy HTML

We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Let's pretend that someone actually invented a "wayback" machine. You can go back in time and change what-ever you like. How many liberals would have slavery outlawed globally before the first white settler arrived?

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Aprildaze Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #1
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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 02:51:41Copy HTML



It was not only blacks who were slaves in America.  People were thrown in jail in England when they could not pay their debts.  Some became indentured slaves and worked off their debts.  Once the debts were paid off, they became free men.  I have an ancestor on the Mayflower who did just that.  He came here with Alden? as his indentured slave, worked off his debts and became free.  In fact, Alden? was attached to him as a father to son and it all turned out great.  So I don't believe I would vote for no slavery at all.  Of course, I'm not a liberal.  Guess I shouldn't have answered, huh.


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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 03:00:35Copy HTML

 but you realize, April, that if there never had been enslavement of Africans here, we wouldn't have special rights for special people.
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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 03:03:52Copy HTML

Reply to Aprildaze



It was not only blacks who were slaves in America.  People were thrown in jail in England when they could not pay their debts.  Some became indentured slaves and worked off their debts.  Once the debts were paid off, they became free men.  I have an ancestor on the Mayflower who did just that.  He came here with Alden? as his indentured slave, worked off his debts and became free.  In fact, Alden? was attached to him as a father to son and it all turned out great.  So I don't believe I would vote for no slavery at all.  Of course, I'm not a liberal.  Guess I shouldn't have answered, huh.



He was able to work his debts off and become free? You do understand that this is a big difference from being a slave, right April?
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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 03:05:45Copy HTML

Reply to Segovia_del_Prado

 but you realize, April, that if there never had been enslavement of Africans here, we wouldn't have special rights for special people.

Yes, the institution of slavery created a special class of people. They received benefits and rights that slaves did not get, and their descendants believe that when everybody gets those rights, they themselves are being oppressed.
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nateonthenet Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #5
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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 03:42:27Copy HTML

Interesting question.  Your choices seem to indicate that the time of the machine is around 1600.  We could go all the way back to 1,500 BC I suppose.  Then, we can start attacking Old Testament Patriarchs.  Assuming 1600, you would be moving the clock vs Britain by about 50 years.  And, it would have been a British rule not American.

Move the clock to 1675 and we would not have founded the country.  There would have been 2 countries.  I love books about time travel and changes that impact the future.  It wasn't gonna happen in 1600 or 1675.  1850 was the proper time.  It is what it is.

Still an interesting question....


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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 03:51:04Copy HTML

Reply to Segovia_del_Prado

 but you realize, April, that if there never had been enslavement of Africans here, we wouldn't have special rights for special people.

Well, of course you are right.  So if we had no slavery, we would have no special rights for special people today.  So, I think I will change my answer to no, no, no special rights for 'special' people.  Oh.  That wasn't the question, was it?  Was it?



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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 05:12:30Copy HTML

 Thread #18 by unhinged right wing racists promoting the idea that if you oppose slavery today, you are on the wrong side of history.
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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 05:51:07Copy HTML

 This poll is as informative and relevant as a poll asking a vegetarian how many of their caveman ancestors would have eaten meat.  All of them, so what? 
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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 06:12:59Copy HTML

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 Thread #18 by unhinged right wing racists promoting the idea that if you oppose slavery today, you are on the wrong side of history.

Unhinged.

There's an original word, LOL.
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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 07:01:24Copy HTML

Reply to nateonthenet

Interesting question.  Your choices seem to indicate that the time of the machine is around 1600.  We could go all the way back to 1,500 BC I suppose.  Then, we can start attacking Old Testament Patriarchs.  Assuming 1600, you would be moving the clock vs Britain by about 50 years.  And, it would have been a British rule not American.
Move the clock to 1675 and we would not have founded the country.  There would have been 2 countries.  I love books about time travel and changes that impact the future.  It wasn't gonna happen in 1600 or 1675.  1850 was the proper time.  It is what it is.

Still an interesting question....



If you're going to go back to 1500 BC, end slavery then attack Christians and Jews. To end slavery you could start with the muslims that invaded the african continent and forced its people to convert or die which would have stopped the muslim slave trade from africa. You could also warn the Jews about mohamed so they would be prepared for the slaughter he had planned and kept the land that is now Israel. There wouldn't have been Jews in Germany and their wouldn't be a war between palestinians and Israel.
If you go back to 1675 it would be too late, by then Anthony Johnson was one of the first 20 blacks in the US. He worked off his indentured debt, was given land and money he used to buy slaves to work his land. He also filed a suit in the british courts when his indentured servant claimed he had worked off his indentured debt and wanted to be free. Johnson won the case which set the precedent for indentured servants to be lifelong slaves.
From there, a runaway tribe was formed in the midwest (I think) made up of blacks and whites. That tribe came to light when a NY woman had her dna done and found she had white blood.
Hindsight is always 20-20 making it easy to be where we are today find fault with history. We can't erase history and we can't change it. And if we could how would you ever know that the history you changed thru time travel wouldn't have a negative effect on the world by a different means?
We can say that if Anthony Johnson hadn't been captured in africa and sold into indentured servitude he wouldn't have been here to win his case making the indentured slaves for life but that doesn't mean another slave owner wouldn't have filed such a suit at a later date.
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nateonthenet Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #11
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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 07:10:50Copy HTML

 There were no Christians in 1,500 BC.  but yes, I was referencing Jewish slavery.  You can go back earlier still if you want.  Islam came around the 7'th Century.  So, I have no idea why you reference them.  

It doesn't matter.  You are basically repeating my point using different examples that are equally apt.  As i said - and you - it is what it is.  
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Segovia_del_Prado Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #12
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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 07:17:17Copy HTML

 well thought out response, KC.

of course Trin didn't answer the question, which doesn't surprise me. 

what say you, Trin; would you snap your fingers and abolish slavery for all time?  Your ancestors remain forever in Africa, unblemished by the touch of the evil white man?
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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 07:55:01Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 Thread #18 by unhinged right wing racists promoting the idea that if you oppose slavery today, you are on the wrong side of history.

There is no slavery today to oppose. What the left opposes is the history of slavery in America and they want to erase it. You're not on the wrong side of history, it's that you want to punish this country for what was the norm around the world in the 1600's. Not all Americans who owned slaves, just the white ones.
You're on the wrong side of history because you believe the civil war was fought over slavery and that every member of the confederate army was a slave owner and or fully approved of the practice. 
And more to the point, you weren't born here so that history isn't yours, you have your native country to bash for their role in slavery and for todays open racism. How many days of the week do you apologize for your ancestors and your home country?

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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 08:04:26Copy HTML

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 well thought out response, KC.

of course Trin didn't answer the question, which doesn't surprise me. 

what say you, Trin; would you snap your fingers and abolish slavery for all time?  Your ancestors remain forever in Africa, unblemished by the touch of the evil white man?

Are we abolishing colonization and the dividing up of the continent by Europe as well?
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nateonthenet Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #15
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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 08:10:00Copy HTML

 There is no slavery today to oppose. What the left opposes is the history of slavery in America and they want to erase it. You're not on the wrong side of history, it's that you want to punish this country for what was the norm around the world in the 1600's. Not all Americans who owned slaves, just the white ones.

You're on the wrong side of history because you believe the civil war was fought over slavery and that every member of the confederate army was a slave owner and or fully approved of the practice. 
And more to the point, you weren't born here so that history isn't yours, you have your native country to bash for their role in slavery and for todays open racism. How many days of the week do you apologize for your ancestors and your home country?


A response that is wrong with every single sentence.  This is why this discussions are worthless.


In endlessly dragging debates over the nedia, the stupid opinion is treated with the same respect as the intelligent one, the misinformed may talk as long as the informed, and propaganda rides along with education, truth with falsehood. Herbert Marcuse
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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 08:15:49Copy HTML

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 There were no Christians in 1,500 BC.  but yes, I was referencing Jewish slavery.  You can go back earlier still if you want.  Islam came around the 7'th Century.  So, I have no idea why you reference them.  
It doesn't matter.  You are basically repeating my point using different examples that are equally apt.  As i said - and you - it is what it is.  

I mention islam because the muslims invaded africa and operated the slave trade that brought slaves to this country. I also mention muslims because mohamed and his warriors slaughtered or drove the Jews out of Israel which is why that region is constantly at war. If you want to change history erasing the invasions by muslims who captured and tortured those who refused to convert would be a good start. And if mohamed had never existed the ME wouldn't have spent 1400 years warring over which sect of islam would rule the land and we wouldn't have the mess we know call the ME. Name a Judeo-Christian country or region in the world that has been and is at war over their religious beliefs. If muslims were buddhists because mohamed never existed, the ME wouldn't be the hell hole it is today. 
And if I'm repeating your point, then why is this country being torn apart over our history?
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nateonthenet Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #17
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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 08:26:11Copy HTML

 I mention islam because the muslims invaded africa and operated the slave trade that brought slaves to this country. I also mention muslims because mohamed and his warriors slaughtered or drove the Jews out of Israel which is why that region is constantly at war. If you want to change history erasing the invasions by muslims who captured and tortured those who refused to convert would be a good start. And if mohamed had never existed the ME wouldn't have spent 1400 years warring over which sect of islam would rule the land and we wouldn't have the mess we know call the ME. Name a Judeo-Christian country or region in the world that has been and is at war over their religious beliefs. If muslims were buddhists because mohamed never existed, the ME wouldn't be the hell hole it is today. 

And if I'm repeating your point, then why is this country being torn apart over our history?  And, since the discussion is slavery, all your polemics about the rest of Islam's issues have nothing to do with slavery.



I don't want to get into a pissing contest since we are saying the same thing.  But, Slavery as an issue while certainly inclufing Muslims, did not advance the conversation it only reinforced it.

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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 08:28:52Copy HTML

 Why is this country being torn apart over our history?  Our slavery was inherently different from other forms.  We targeted blacks.  Other slavery took place without regard to race.  So, vestiges of black hatred continue to this day, hence the neo Nazis and kkk.
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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 08:34:21Copy HTML

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 There is no slavery today to oppose. What the left opposes is the history of slavery in America and they want to erase it. You're not on the wrong side of history, it's that you want to punish this country for what was the norm around the world in the 1600's. Not all Americans who owned slaves, just the white ones.

You're on the wrong side of history because you believe the civil war was fought over slavery and that every member of the confederate army was a slave owner and or fully approved of the practice. 
And more to the point, you weren't born here so that history isn't yours, you have your native country to bash for their role in slavery and for todays open racism. How many days of the week do you apologize for your ancestors and your home country?


A response that is wrong with every single sentence.  This is why this discussions are worthless.



I'm not wrong nate, I simply don't agree with you. Show me one leftie that has acknowledged that blacks owned slaves in America and are just as guilty as the whites.  Show me a country that didn't practice slavery, especially in the 1600's. And explain why skwan can bitch about Americas ancestors when his own ancestors allowed slavery. As usual with the left, they selectively pick facts that suit their agenda and ignore those that don't.
And if you want to discuss this, let's start with Anthony Johnson, the slaves he owned and his role in making it legal for indentured servants to become slaves for life. He was one of the first 20 blacks in this country and the first black to own slaves.

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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 08:56:03Copy HTML

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Reply to Segovia_del_Prado

 well thought out response, KC.

of course Trin didn't answer the question, which doesn't surprise me. 

what say you, Trin; would you snap your fingers and abolish slavery for all time?  Your ancestors remain forever in Africa, unblemished by the touch of the evil white man?

Are we abolishing colonization and the dividing up of the continent by Europe as well?

well, Africa is being returned to the aboriginal people now, so, tell me how much better off they are.  Rhodesia? Kenya? Somalia?  Those damn Europeans.

you didn't answer the question.  Your turn.
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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 08:56:36Copy HTML

True that, KC.  If, as Skwanderer claims, he can trace his roots back to William Bradford and the Mayflower, he absolutely has ancestors who were slave owners.
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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 08:57:39Copy HTML



KC, what really is the relevance of bringing up that there were black slave owners. Did these black slave owners have the same rights as white slave owners? Did these black slaves owners live the same way that whites did once slavery was abolished? WEre they not subjected to Jim Crow laws because they were slave owners. 

Moreover KC, did black slave owners own white slaves? How many white slaves were subjected to Jim Crow laws?
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Date Posted:26-08-2017 08:58:51Copy HTML

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 well thought out response, KC.

of course Trin didn't answer the question, which doesn't surprise me. 

what say you, Trin; would you snap your fingers and abolish slavery for all time?  Your ancestors remain forever in Africa, unblemished by the touch of the evil white man?

Are we abolishing colonization and the dividing up of the continent by Europe as well?

well, Africa is being returned to the aboriginal people now, so, tell me how much better off they are.  Rhodesia? Kenya? Somalia?  Those damn Europeans.

you didn't answer the question.  Your turn.

Africa is being returned to the aboriginal people? How does one respond to such ignorance?


..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Date Posted:26-08-2017 09:10:37Copy HTML

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 well thought out response, KC.

of course Trin didn't answer the question, which doesn't surprise me. 

what say you, Trin; would you snap your fingers and abolish slavery for all time?  Your ancestors remain forever in Africa, unblemished by the touch of the evil white man?

Are we abolishing colonization and the dividing up of the continent by Europe as well?

well, Africa is being returned to the aboriginal people now, so, tell me how much better off they are.  Rhodesia? Kenya? Somalia?  Those damn Europeans.

you didn't answer the question.  Your turn.

Africa is being returned to the aboriginal people? How does one respond to such ignorance?



ab·o·rig·i·nal (ăb′ə-rĭj′ə-nəl) adj. 1. Having existed in a region from the beginning: aboriginal forests. See Synonyms at native. 2. a. Of or relating ...

with some education?


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Date Posted:26-08-2017 09:13:48Copy HTML

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 well thought out response, KC.

of course Trin didn't answer the question, which doesn't surprise me. 

what say you, Trin; would you snap your fingers and abolish slavery for all time?  Your ancestors remain forever in Africa, unblemished by the touch of the evil white man?

Are we abolishing colonization and the dividing up of the continent by Europe as well?

well, Africa is being returned to the aboriginal people now, so, tell me how much better off they are.  Rhodesia? Kenya? Somalia?  Those damn Europeans.

you didn't answer the question.  Your turn.

Africa is being returned to the aboriginal people? How does one respond to such ignorance?



ab·o·rig·i·nal (ăb′ə-rĭj′ə-nəl) adj. 1. Having existed in a region from the beginning: aboriginal forests. See Synonyms at native. 2. a. Of or relating ...

with some education?



How is it being returned Segovia. Was there a giving back ceremony?


..... the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned - Stephen Miller Congratulations Stephen Miller- on representing me this morning on the various Sunday morning shows. Great job! - #45
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Date Posted:26-08-2017 09:39:50Copy HTML




ab·o·rig·i·nal (ăb′ə-rĭj′ə-nəl) adj. 1. Having existed in a region from the beginning: aboriginal forests. See Synonyms at native. 2. a. Of or relating ...


What's wrong with that?  Sounds fine to me.  Akin to 'native'.





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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 10:48:11Copy HTML

 oh,  she means that the continent wasn't "returned"  it was simply repossessed, after the aboriginals killed all the white people they could find.  you know, like in Trinidad and Haiti.

So, now countries that were feeding the European continent would starve to death without foreign aid and shiploads of food.  Lucky thing the natives are killing each other off at a good pace, or more would be starving.
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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 11:10:16Copy HTML

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 oh,  she means that the continent wasn't "returned"  it was simply repossessed, after the aboriginals killed all the white people they could find.  you know, like in Trinidad and Haiti.

So, now countries that were feeding the European continent would starve to death without foreign aid and shiploads of food.  Lucky thing the natives are killing each other off at a good pace, or more would be starving.

Segovia, do you really believe that all the white people were killed in Trinidad and Haiti? How stupid are you? You can't spell you don't know the history of this or any other country. It must be your total ignorance that helps you be that racist. Because racism does not stand up well to information and knowledge.

Go read a book for heaven's sakes.


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Date Posted:26-08-2017 11:19:30Copy HTML

 go fuck yourself,  for heaven's sake.
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Re:We Now Have the Wayback Machine!

Date Posted:26-08-2017 11:29:56Copy HTML

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 go fuck yourself,  for heaven's sake.

How many times do I have to tell you that not everybody lives like you do. My choices are not as limited as yours are.
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