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Tomlapaz
  • From:USA

Date Posted:29-11-2017 07:14:24Copy HTML

And we all have crimes that will come to light, if they have not already.

None of us can be found innocent based on our own merits.


So what then are our options?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #31
  • From:USA

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:07-12-2017 04:05:18Copy HTML

Clearly if it does, you would have been able to explain why in your own words.

The few excerpts I did listen to, btw, clearly includes this gentleman from the video in the below from the OP, ironically enough:

And we all have crimes that will come to light, if they have not already.

None of us can be found innocent based on our own merits.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #32
  • From:USA

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:07-12-2017 06:54:43Copy HTML

Ah, so you admit that you didn't bother to watch the video, Tom.  Until such time as you deign to take about 4 and a half minutes out of your busy life to so, any and all of your statements to the effect that the video has nothing to do with the topic of this thread are wholly and completely without merit.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #33
  • From:New_zealand

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:07-12-2017 08:32:13Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

Clearly if it does, you would have been able to explain why in your own words.

The few excerpts I did listen to, btw, clearly includes this gentleman from the video in the below from the OP, ironically enough:

And we all have crimes that will come to light, if they have not already.

None of us can be found innocent based on our own merits.


This makes no sense.  Even the grammar is twisted.  Perhaps the reason Tom doesn't explain what he is thinking about a subject is because he can't summon up the sentences to do so.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #34
  • From:USA

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:08-12-2017 12:09:42Copy HTML

So, where we are is that we agree that none of  us (Bogus, Yobbo, Skw, myself, etc.) keep the Golden rule consistently.  We  fall short- because of our inherent selfishness.  Which is evil.


So the video, which shows another human being easily falling short of the Golden Rule, is on topic for that very reason, you are saying?  That it illustrates the OP?

And that is why  you want me to  watch all of it?   What is the point out of curiosity?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #35
  • From:New_zealand

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:09-12-2017 02:23:47Copy HTML

The video is a satirical look at your god and the fools who imagine that they are this god's playthings.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #36
  • From:USA

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:09-12-2017 03:01:31Copy HTML

So it really does not then address  the OP.  Surprise.

Because, as you and I know - neither one of us live up to the Golden rule, yes?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #37
  • From:New_zealand

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:09-12-2017 09:02:43Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

And we all have crimes that will come to light, if they have not already.

None of us can be found innocent based on our own merits.


So what then are our options?


These statements are vague but mostly not untrue.

Our options are to act as well as we can.

Yet you claim....

So it really does not then address  the OP.  Surprise.

Because, as you and I know - neither one of us live up to the Golden rule, yes?

These things don't really address the OP.


"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #38
  • From:USA

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:09-12-2017 02:40:48Copy HTML

If you do not keep the Golden Rule consistently, that is evil.

A murderer saying he did the best he can would not be a defense.  That is true for any other evil.


So then, what is your defense?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #39
  • From:USA

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:09-12-2017 06:28:33Copy HTML

What you ask, yet again, has been answered, Tom.  Much as you would like to keep going around in circles, hoping to somehow magically get the response that you want, nothing is going to change.  You will still be the disingenuous, lying twit that we've come to know and mock.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #40
  • From:New_zealand

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:10-12-2017 01:41:18Copy HTML

Define "golden rule".
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #41
  • From:USA

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:10-12-2017 06:18:26Copy HTML

Bogus - the only thing I am asking is - what is your defense for #2 below.


The following we are in agreement on -

1.We all see practicing the Golden Rule as very important.  There are variations to what 'Do Unto Others as you would have them do unto you" applications (to Yobbo's question)  - but whatever you personally see as the Golden Rule you see as important.

2.All of us fall quite short of practicing the Golden Rule.   Yobbo - you fall short of your own personal standard.  The very standard you use to find fault with other folk - you fail in also.   None of us are innocent.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #42
  • From:USA

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:10-12-2017 05:21:48Copy HTML

So it really does not then address  the OP.  Surprise.

Tom, just because something is a satirical look at a broader whole doesn't mean that it does not address a specific part of that whole.  I'm not at all surprised that you act as though you don't know that.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #43
  • From:USA

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:10-12-2017 05:25:46Copy HTML

Bogus - the only thing I am asking is - what is your defense for #2 below.
...
2.All of us fall quite short of  practicing the Golden Rule. ... None of us are innocent.

You first, Tom.  What is your defense?

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #44
  • From:USA

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:11-12-2017 01:24:56Copy HTML

On my one merits?   I am in just as big of a mess as you are.

None of us our own merits has any defense.   All you and I can say is to admit we are guilty.  

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #45
  • From:New_zealand

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:11-12-2017 01:32:28Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

On my one merits?   I am in just as big of a mess as you are.

None of us our own merits has any defense.   All you and I can say is to admit we are guilty.  


This is unintelligible. .... Well the second and fourth sentences make some sense but the other two to which they r
efer are abject nonsense.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #46
  • From:USA

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:13-12-2017 06:15:08Copy HTML

In other words (since most folk do not have this trouble you claim to have) - you are avoiding referencing your own moral shortcomings.
Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #47
  • From:Unknown

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:15-12-2017 11:23:44Copy HTML

 I just got off the phone with him and he told me that just you are fucked. 
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #48
  • From:USA

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:16-12-2017 12:15:57Copy HTML

We both are really, by the admission of your own words here.

You and I have no defense in and of ourselves.   You fall short, I fall short.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #49
  • From:New_zealand

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:16-12-2017 02:46:26Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

We both are really, by the admission of your own words here.

You and I have no defense in and of ourselves.   You fall short, I fall short.


.... and so far you have not even tried to refute what my newest post says about the bullshit concerning the exodus.

Apart from an inability and gutlessness, why haven't you?
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #50
  • From:USA

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:16-12-2017 02:56:21Copy HTML

So, I have refuted some stuff already elsewhere, you refuse to address that, and I am supposed to chase after you on something new?


Anyway, kind of moot to the fact we all, you and I included, fall short of whatever standard we think other folk should be adhering to.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #51
  • From:New_zealand

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:17-12-2017 06:44:38Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

So, I have refuted some stuff already elsewhere, you refuse to address that, and I am supposed to chase after you on something new?


Anyway, kind of moot to the fact we all, you and I included, fall short of whatever standard we think other folk should be adhering to.


You never refute anything.  Occasionally you flatly deny something but a refutation requires a reasoned response detailing why you think it is wrong.  This you have never done.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #52
  • From:USA

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:18-12-2017 12:21:08Copy HTML

Well, that was dishonest  -  but I suppose to be expected.   And - it is an example of  evil, btw, on your part.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #53
  • From:New_zealand

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:18-12-2017 01:44:17Copy HTML

Reply to Tomlapaz

Well, that was dishonest  -  but I suppose to be expected.   And - it is an example of  evil, btw, on your part.


Give me an example where you refute something using carefully detailed argument.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #54
  • From:USA

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:18-12-2017 03:50:40Copy HTML

That is dishonest.  Lets see. Roughly:


1.Jesus is both Inclusive and Exclusive thread

2.Yobbo posts an article

3.Article gets refuted.  Yobbo asked about it

4.Yobbo does not respond

5.This continues till finally Yobbo asks what article

6.Pointed out to him again

7.Still no response. 

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #55
  • From:Unknown

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:18-12-2017 08:38:45Copy HTML

 Give me an example where you refute something using carefully detailed argument.

____

He asked for an example of you refuting something with a detailed argument. Not you playing ring around the rosie and never refuting anything. 

Dont waste your time.  I wrote an algorithm that searched the forum for an argument constructed by Tomas and got this.

o matches found

Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #56
  • From:USA

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:18-12-2017 10:47:52Copy HTML

I gave him an example in the other thread when he asked there - more than once.  

Still has not responded to the refutation of his article (your responses were not very consistent either, btw).  Why should I  play that game here?


Here, we all know and agree that we do not keep the Golden Rule - we fall short of that standard.   We even judge others where we ourselves fall short.

   It is where we go from there that is the topic.

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #57
  • From:Unknown

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:19-12-2017 11:01:10Copy HTML

 No, you did not.  You have never presented an argument for anything Tomas.  You obfuscate, avoid, and run away.  That is all you ever do. 
Tomlapaz Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #58
  • From:USA

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:19-12-2017 11:56:26Copy HTML

You are certainly free to lie like that - an example of the very thing this OP is referring to.


And we will have this failures - that we will have to answer to one day.   No question there.

Rather, the question is - what is our defense?   What hope do we have there?

Jesus: For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? Psalm 37:21 The wicked borrows and does not pay back, But the righteous is gracious and gives.
Ex_Member Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #59
  • From:Unknown

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:20-12-2017 07:38:45Copy HTML

 "Yes I did" is not a valid argument.  I understand in your world you believe that to be debate. You are very seriously mentally ill Tomas.
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #60
  • From:New_zealand

Re:We are all going to stand before the Judge one day

Date Posted:21-12-2017 12:31:30Copy HTML

These placards may explain why the religious are so unable to argue rationally.

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