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Yobbo
  • From:New_zealand

Date Posted:02-06-2018 10:00:28Copy HTML

I expect that they think information about other Middle Eastern religions to be false, especially the dates. 

After all, Zoroastrian fables precede Judaic ones by centuries. Most scholars believe Genesis was written around 1450BC while Gilgamesh epics date from 2100BC, perhaps as early as 2800BC.

It is fair to say that Most Christians believe that the bible is the word of god.  But sensible scholars disagree with the time lines of both Moses and Gilgamesh.
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #1
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:09-06-2018 06:00:55Copy HTML

 Gilgamesh was shipwrecked on an island after a three hour tour
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #2
  • From:New_zealand

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:09-06-2018 07:46:23Copy HTML

No comment on the "when"?
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #3
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:10-06-2018 08:17:47Copy HTML

Reply to Yobbo

No comment on the "when"?

1965?
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #4
  • From:New_zealand

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:11-06-2018 05:49:27Copy HTML

Reply to wale63

Reply to Yobbo

No comment on the "when"?

1965?

You don't know what 2100BC means?
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #5
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:11-06-2018 12:17:29Copy HTML

Reply to Yobbo

Reply to wale63

Reply to Yobbo

No comment on the "when"?

1965?

You don't know what 2100BC means?


Gilgamesh was stranded on an island after a shipwreck with six others after a three hour tour.

there was Gilgamesh, the skipper too, the millionaire and his wife, the movie star, the professor and Mary Ann all on

Gilgamesh's isle. 

Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #6
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:11-06-2018 12:50:22Copy HTML

 
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A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #7
  • From:New_zealand

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:05-07-2018 08:48:22Copy HTML

Wale ignores the problem with the date of Gilgamesh's story relative to that of Noah by acting like a silly preteen and making banal comments.
Many flood stories predate the Judaic version.


(Not all these myths predate Noah's story but several do.)
"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #8
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:05-07-2018 10:08:34Copy HTML

 Wale has no intent to engage anyone on the facts of any matter.



"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #9
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:06-07-2018 12:44:03Copy HTML

Reply to skdummy

 Wale has no intent to engage anyone on the facts of any matter.




how much time do you privately devote to thinking just how correct WALE is?
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #10
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:06-07-2018 04:14:17Copy HTML

 how much time do you privately devote to thinking just how correct WALE is?

____


zero seconds.  in other words....all the time it merits.  You are either capable of debating the subject, or you are Wale.

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #11
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:06-07-2018 02:11:28Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 how much time do you privately devote to thinking just how correct WALE is?

____


zero seconds.  in other words....all the time it merits.  You are either capable of debating the subject, or you are Wale.


Skdunder is SO fixated with engaging WALE that he must know, DEEP DOWN INSIDE, wale is correct.
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #12
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:06-07-2018 03:22:23Copy HTML

 

 
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z "If you can read these 26 letters, there is nothing about the universe that you can't learn." -- Lambros D. Callimoahos
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #13
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:06-07-2018 06:20:23Copy HTML

Reply to Boguspumped 

                                                                   LOL


 

How often do you and skdoodle get it on, because it seems that you respond like you were his lover or something. LOL
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #14
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:06-07-2018 06:29:31Copy HTML

 Wart is SO fixated with not engaging skdoodle that he must know, DEEP DOWN INSIDE, skoodle is correct.
_

Fixed it for you.  let me know if you are ever ready to enter this debate on either homosexuality or evolution. Surely you must have learned by 2nd grade that "no it isn't" is not actually a debate.


"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #15
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:06-07-2018 06:31:51Copy HTML

Reply to skdummy

 Wart is SO fixated with not engaging skdoodle that he must know, DEEP DOWN INSIDE, skoodle is correct.
_

Fixed it for you.  let me know if you are ever ready to enter this debate on either homosexuality or evolution. Surely you must have learned by 2nd grade that "no it isn't" is not actually a debate.



Distorting my original thoughts and words do not make your immature attempts legitimate or credible, skdimwit.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #16
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:06-07-2018 06:38:45Copy HTML

 I am attempting to get you to support your positions on homosexuality and evolution with some evidence.  You have thus far provided nothing to support your position other than "skoodle is wrong" and "no it isn't".   That is not debate.  You fell homosexuality is a sin and biologically is unexplained, then show me your evidence.  You feel evolution is a lie.....then show me your evidence. You have provided no evidence, no debate, nothing.....only childish name calling skdoodle, skdimwit and more.

You are a mentally ill child Wale. If you've got anything, now would be a good time to start.

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #17
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:06-07-2018 06:51:24Copy HTML

Reply to skdummy

 I am attempting to get you to support your positions on homosexuality and evolution with some evidence.  You have thus far provided nothing to support your position other than "skoodle is wrong" and "no it isn't".   That is not debate.  You fell homosexuality is a sin and biologically is unexplained, then show me your evidence.  You feel evolution is a lie.....then show me your evidence. You have provided no evidence, no debate, nothing.....only childish name calling skdoodle, skdimwit and more.

You are a mentally ill child Wale. If you've got anything, now would be a good time to start.


"...We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how.....We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism. ..."
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #18
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:06-07-2018 06:52:56Copy HTML

 Yes, we don't know much about the Universe.  That is not proof of God.  Einstein agrees with me.  See below.
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #19
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:06-07-2018 06:55:34Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 Yes, we don't know much about the Universe.  That is not proof of God.  Einstein agrees with me.  See below.


You do NOT align with Einstein and kaku and remain cocooned in your stupidity and immaturity,

"...We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how.....We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism. ..."

skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #20
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:06-07-2018 06:56:41Copy HTML

 Wale is very seriously bothered that Einstein, Kaku, and Freud all agree with me about god, homosexuality ad evolution.

He is losing his shit.

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #21
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:06-07-2018 06:58:09Copy HTML

Reply to skwanderer

 Wale is very seriously bothered that Einstein, Kaku, and Freud all agree with me about god, homosexuality ad evolution.

He is losing his shit.


Not at all. The words posted show that you are not aligned with them at all.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #22
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:06-07-2018 07:00:37Copy HTML

 Of course I am not aligned with your lies.  Who would align themselves with a liar?  a mentally ill one at that.

My words are backed up by facts that you avoid discussing, your words are "no it isn't skdoodle".

Are you 8?

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #23
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:06-07-2018 07:05:41Copy HTML

 https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_1239.cfm

In examining the four gospels we have a great amount of information to work with concerning Jesus' view of the Old Testament. His view can be simply stated in two words, "total trust." Jesus accepted the Old Testament Scriptures as being divinely authoritative - He never cast doubt on any of the accounts. Jesus assumed the people were actual people and the events literally occurred. We never find Him giving the slightest hint of anything but the complete acceptance of the Old Testament as the Word of God.

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #24
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:06-07-2018 07:05:42Copy HTML

Reply to skdummy

 Of course I am not aligned with your lies.  Who would align themselves with a liar?  a mentally ill one at that.

My words are backed up by facts that you avoid discussing, your words are "no it isn't skdoodle".

Are you 8?


You have said there is NO reality of God , different than what Einstein and Kaku say. If you could READ you'd know that

"...We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how.....We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism. ..."

skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #25
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:06-07-2018 07:32:21Copy HTML

 I agree with Einsteins quote.  We are like children in a universe we don't understand.  I also agree with Einstein that there is no proof of God, I am agnostic like Einstein, I accept the reality of evolution like Einstein, Freud and Kaku, and I agree there is no proof of God.


How do you feel about the people you hold up as experts agreeing with me and not you?

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #26
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:06-07-2018 11:13:19Copy HTML

Reply to skdummy

 I agree with Einsteins quote.  We are like children in a universe we don't understand.  I also agree with Einstein that there is no proof of God, I am agnostic like Einstein, I accept the reality of evolution like Einstein, Freud and Kaku, and I agree there is no proof of God.


How do you feel about the people you hold up as experts agreeing with me and not you?


YOU have said there is NO reality of God whereas Einstein and kaku see the hand behind the design and you don't. Now you are trying to "cozy" up to their thinking, changing your tune, as if you believed that all along.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #27
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Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:07-07-2018 12:09:57Copy HTML

 Great, you have managed to pinpoint the break in beliefs. You like to highlight our differences, I like to highlight our similarities.   We all three agree there is no proof of God, I very much agree with Einstein that your bible is childish fable, and I agree with both that evolution is real.   Pretty good company.

Oh wait, lets throw your other idol who you love to quote, Freud, into the mix. Freud regarded God as an illusion, based on the infantile need for a powerful father figure; religion, necessary to help us restrain violent impulses earlier in the development of civilization, can now be set aside in favor of reason and science.

The following explains a lot about Wale.

In Obsessive Actions and Religious Practices (1907), Freud's earliest writing about religion, where he suggests that religion and neurosis are similar products of the human mind: neurosis, with its compulsive behavior, is "an individual religiosity", and religion, with its repetitive rituals, is a "universal obsessional neurosis."  Freud, Sigmind Totem and Taboo (New York: W.W. Norton & Co. 1950) p. xi ISBN 0-393-00143-1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud%27s_views_on_religion


"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #28
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:07-07-2018 01:47:18Copy HTML

Reply to skdummy

 Great, you have managed to pinpoint the break in beliefs. You like to highlight our differences, I like to highlight our similarities.   We all three agree there is no proof of God, I very much agree with Einstein that your bible is childish fable, and I agree with both that evolution is real.   Pretty good company.

Oh wait, lets throw your other idol who you love to quote, Freud, into the mix. Freud regarded God as an illusion, based on the infantile need for a powerful father figure; religion, necessary to help us restrain violent impulses earlier in the development of civilization, can now be set aside in favor of reason and science.

The following explains a lot about Wale.

In Obsessive Actions and Religious Practices (1907), Freud's earliest writing about religion, where he suggests that religion and neurosis are similar products of the human mind: neurosis, with its compulsive behavior, is "an individual religiosity", and religion, with its repetitive rituals, is a "universal obsessional neurosis."  Freud, Sigmind Totem and Taboo (New York: W.W. Norton & Co. 1950) p. xi ISBN 0-393-00143-1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud%27s_views_on_religion



I used Freud as an example of the PSYCHIATRIC COMMUNITY listing homosexuality as a disorder. YOU display heavy childish tendencies repeatedly and can't seem to break away from them. You also do NOT agree with Einstein or Kaku as has been pointed out over and over , which you act as if those didn't exist BECAUSE they ARE more accomplished and greater minds than you will ever be. THAT really is what bothers your insecure self.
skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #29
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Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:07-07-2018 01:58:16Copy HTML

 YOU display heavy childish tendencies repeatedly and can't seem to break away from them.

___


Translation:

You post facts that are counter to my delusions and I am unable to argue them like an adult.....so I yell something like "you have childish tendencies"

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." Albert Einstein
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #30
  • From:USA

Re:What do Christian zealots know about Gilgamesh?

Date Posted:07-07-2018 02:06:09Copy HTML

Reply to skdummy

 YOU display heavy childish tendencies repeatedly and can't seem to break away from them.

___


Translation:

You post facts that are counter to my delusions and I am unable to argue them like an adult.....so I yell something like "you have childish tendencies"


No not really as your take is one again evidence of the juvenile thinking on your part. you really DO display childish and irrational tendencies.
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