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docjim
  • From:USA

Date Posted:14-03-2019 03:17:56Copy HTML

When is a law unjust?

Not all laws work as intended. Some, if not many, present unintended consequences that compromise the intended effects of the law. Other laws prove not to be timeless, like those forbidding American women from voting. Still others seem, by moral standards, extreme and indefensible, like cutting off a hand for stealing a loaf of bread.

So, imagine, if you will, that you visit a grocery store with a 3-year-old child. After paying for your groceries and leaving the store you are stopped in the store parking lot by a security officer and asked to return to the store. Child in hand you comply and are taken to a small private office in the back of the store. There the security officer plays a video that shows your daughter reaching out of the grocery cart to snag a small package of skittles, which she drops into her play purse, giggles, and looks away.

Watching the video now, you laugh and kiss her on the cheek, discover the skittles in the little purse, and reach into your handbag to pay for the candy. But the officer then explains that the solution is not that simple. A law was broken and this store enforces the laws against theft in 100% of cases, executing a no exception policy.

The officer then explains that the store will be filing criminal charges, not against you, because the evidence shows you to be unaware of the theft, but against your 3-year-old. You start to laugh, thinking this to be a joke, when the officer tells you that the law has no exception for the age of the person so charged, and since all are prosecuted, your daughter will have to be arrested.

Is the law always the law, to be followed and obeyed regardless of its application and affect? Should your 3-year-old, who many US laws grant reduced legal responsibility for their actions, be ruled immoral, ineffective, and ignored?

You explain to the officer that should your child be convicted the conviction could later keep her out of some universities, some grant programs, that the small bag of skittles could damage her future, when she could not possibly know what she was doing in taking the candy.

This is exactly the position of the DACA children, now grown into young, productive adults, college age, who came to America in the arms of their illegal immigrant parents when they were three, and are now being told  by some of our elected officials and by our current laws, that their illegal act, at age three, requires them to be expelled from the only country they have ever known…because the law is the law.

But did the three-year-old in the arms of an adult really commit a crime? Of course not, children are not expected to have legal awareness before they can read or write. To expect so would be unreasonable, and to punish for this fictional crime would be immoral.

But even more immoral is the degree of punishment demanded by some for the DACA kids by those who would demand they be sent to a foreign country they have never known. They would leave behind everything, their family, their friends, their jobs, their service to the country, to be forced to start all over again in a nation they have never known and perhaps with a language they have never spoken. The punishment is no less extreme than cutting off a hand for stealing a loaf of bread. And for what crime? The crime of being born in the wrong place.

As a nation, we must have the moral strength to do the right thing and protected these young Americans, and, yes, they are Americans, from unjust laws and immoral actions. It is time for our Republican friends to stop using these lives as bargaining chips in immigration policy wars.

Grant citizenship to the DACA kids.

Op-Ed

Drjim893

3/15/19

 

 

 


DRJim
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  • From:New_zealand

Re:When is a law immoral?

Date Posted:14-03-2019 07:09:15Copy HTML

That would entail the US becoming civilised and I can't see that happening.

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #2
  • From:Argentina

Re:When is a law immoral?

Date Posted:15-03-2019 03:55:08Copy HTML

Total bullshit, Jim.


Most of the DACA 'kids' are no longer kids, and have had plenty of time to apply for citizenship and insure they remain in the country.


By the way, Jim, I live in an area with a whole lot of Hispanics, and I assure you, I have never seen a Hispanic child of Hispanic parents who didn't speak Spanish.


Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
docjim Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #3
  • From:USA

Re:When is a law immoral?

Date Posted:15-03-2019 05:15:22Copy HTML

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Skrumpie,


So you actually think they did not want to make the effort towards citizenship? Seriously, your assumption is that they could have easily been citizens but just did not care to?


I think that suggests a gross misunderstanding of the difficulty of gaining citizenship for these young people.


As for speaking Spanish, you are both right and wrong/ Forst generation Immigrants usually do not master the new language, or do so well. Second generations (the DACA kids) often can be bi-lingual. Third generation kids generally do not speak the country of origin language. But whether language is challenging, expelling young people from their entire lives for the crime of being carried across the border at the ripe old age of three is disgusting, immoral, and inhumane. It is exactly like charging the 3 year old for stealing candy...a ridiculous idea.


Look, I can accept that you hate people with brown skin, but they need us and we need them. The DACA kids are crime free, making lives for themselves, and they have done absolutely nothing wrong. They deserve citizenship and the chance to build a good life in America.


Moreover, we need the families now at the border. We need more laborers, more restaurant workers, more summer tourist workers, more housekeepers. The newest folks take the hardest jobs, and we need them. We need farm workers too. And we need compassion for those escaping horrible circumstances where their very lives are in jeopardy...it is who we are as Americans (You, perhaps not so much).

We need a new Immigration policy, one designed to offer a path to freedom and a way to escape horrific circumstances, a path like the one we have always had.


DRJim
skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #4
  • From:Argentina

Re:When is a law immoral?

Date Posted:15-03-2019 07:56:21Copy HTML

Thank you for that boring recitation of talking points, Jim.


I doubt there's another award in your near future. 

Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
Bogus0Pomp Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #5
  • From:USA

Re:When is a law immoral?

Date Posted:15-03-2019 08:30:23Copy HTML

Thank you, skrump, for both your initial reply of total bullshit and your rote and boring trolling followup.

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