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  • From:USA

Date Posted:18-10-2018 02:45:24Copy HTML


When lying is the only option

Let no one tell you otherwise, winning an election is not an easy business in America unless you have been Gerrymandered into a comfy district, or have so much campaign funding that you can silence the voice of your opposition. 


In 2018 many Republicans have discovered that even those usual advantages are not enough to feel secure in their desire to be re-elected. What price fame? Our Republican friends have discovered the virtue of the most famous of all things Trump, the Big Lie.


Congressional Republicans took the Big Lie for a test drive in 2017 with Trump’s, “biggest tax cut in history,” (the claim a lie itself) that was for the middle class, and that rich folks, like Trump claimed of himself, would not gain at all.


The tax cut was intended to give back money to Republican donors who had grown disenchanted with their prodigy congress, and to encourage multinational corporations to be more generous with their Citizens United corporation as a person campaign contributions. That all worked out as planned and made for many happy billionaires and CEO’s. Oh, happy day!


But it never worked out for, well, workers…people who actually went to work every day to earn a living. Corporations, for the most part just took their newfound wealth and pocketed it for stock buybacks and corporate bonuses.


Consequently, regular folks were not fooled again by the concept known as, “Trickle Down,” re-named but unchanged from its previous editions, all dedicated to enriching those who did not need enriched. Polling has shown that the Big Lie tax cuts were never popular with a majority of Americans who could not help but notice the pittance of their paycheck changes were easily eaten up by their rising healthcare costs.


One might wonder why, given the failure of that Big Lie, Republicans would bounce back convinced that the problem was the lie was just not BIG enough. Enter Trump, the ultimate Master of the Big Lie, with his Op Ed claiming Democrats, not Republicans, are trying to destroy the Affordable Care Acts’ protection of pre-existing conditions and Medicare itself.


This Big Lie was so oversized it requires voters to forget entirely that in 2017 Republicans came within one vote in the senate of ending the ACA and, with it, pre-existing conditions protections. Not only that, it requires Americans to ignore that the Trump administration and 20 Republican Attorney Generals’ are supporting a lawsuit to end the pre-existing conditions portion of Obamacare.



And if those two forgettings were not enough to expect of the now wary voter, voters have to forget that the current Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, has confessed that his biggest failure has been his inability to reduce Medicare and Social Security. Voters most also forget that the Senate Majority Leader, Mitch McConnell, just this week, in worrying about the huge deficits created by his tax cuts for donors created, blames Social Security and Medicare for the deficit instead of a tax cut we could not afford, and spending increases beyond the pale.


The end result is that we now have Republicans across the country not only lying about their own record on healthcare (an unpopular record), but their fiscal irresponsibility that has given us huge deficits in the midst of prosperity, an unconscionable dereliction of duty.


In the meantime, as if falsifying their record and intent is not enough, they are lying about the Democrats position on healthcare, one of support of some form of healthcare for all in an affordable way with reduced drug costs for the American people.


This is the gift of Trumpism.


Op Ed

Drjim893

10/19/18



skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #1
  • From:Argentina

Re:When lying is the only option

Date Posted:18-10-2018 04:16:48Copy HTML

Hi Jim:


Have you seen the newest Project Veritas videos of Socialists lying their asses off?

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Re:When lying is the only option

Date Posted:18-10-2018 04:41:11Copy HTML

Hi Jim:


Have you seen the newest Project Veritas videos of Socialists lying their asses off?


yes he did.. but he doesn't care about that... 

and you know why... 


of course I am old enough to remember:  If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, if you like your healthcare, you can keep your healthcare..... 


but you know the leftists are only outraged when they say a republican lied... and the only reason that they think a republican lies is because they republican doesn't agree with them... so ipso facto - they are liars... 



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Re:When lying is the only option

Date Posted:18-10-2018 06:22:55Copy HTML

When "whataboutism" is all you've got to defend a liar.
skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #4
  • From:Argentina

Re:When lying is the only option

Date Posted:18-10-2018 07:59:12Copy HTML

Why don't you tell us all why we shouldn't talk about yours, and Jim's hypocrisy?

docjim Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #5
  • From:USA

Re:When lying is the only option

Date Posted:18-10-2018 09:06:27Copy HTML

Skrumpie, Cathy,


So let's resolve this whataboutism. Did you approve of Obama saying you could keep your Dr? Let me help you out here...you did not. So now you approve of Trump and republicans running this term for office lying their asses off? That makes you, by your own definiton, hypocrites. 


I, on the other hand, regret that Obama said what turned out to be untrue for as many as 5% of those using the ACA. 


But there is no comparison of a 5% untruthful" claim and for Trump's and republicans overall, 100% lying to voters about their positions on perhaps the most important issue of this election.


Republicans want to end the prior condition protection...a policy Americans hate. Republicans want to cut Social Security and Medicare, a policy Americans hate. So what do they do? Apologize and change their unpopular policies? Hell no...just lie about them then go back to work to destroy the healthcare millions of Americans rely upon.

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Re:When lying is the only option

Date Posted:18-10-2018 09:14:31Copy HTML



docjim Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #7
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Re:When lying is the only option

Date Posted:18-10-2018 09:31:49Copy HTML

Cathy,


Do you know what is the weakest argument ever made? Changing the topic.


Look, if you think it is ok that republicans are just simply lying to be re-elected, when they actually plan to harm our healthcare, just say so. It is a disgusting position to hold, dishonest, dangerous, and against any ethical position by anyone, but hey...that really is your argument. You really are ok with republicans and the President basically lying to America out loud about one of the most important issues of our time.


Character requires honestly. Have the courage of your convictions...just admit you don't give a flying fuck about the truth here. Sure, it makes you a disgusting American, but at least you have your honesty at the end of the day.


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Re:When lying is the only option

Date Posted:18-10-2018 09:50:44Copy HTML

Speaking of weak arguments, Jim.  YOU didn't mind that Obama said we could keep our plans and keep our doctors, and if I'm not mistaken a number of years ago you agreed that you socialists had always known that wasn't true, but went along with it anyway.


Your problem, Jim, is that your arguments are always weak.  Your op-eds?  Weak as hell.  You cannot support your arguments, because your argument is ALWAYS chastising Trump for what Obama did.  For what Clinton did.  For what all the socialists, marxists, and communists you love always do, Jim, and that is lie their asses off.


You cannot get away from it, and we will never stop reminding you that you are a hypocrite of the highest order.


When you publicly support the kind of pukeworthy trash that you do, the aforementioned above, you will always receive, as our gift, whattaboutism.  It is all your prose deserves. 

skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #9
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Re:When lying is the only option

Date Posted:18-10-2018 09:52:29Copy HTML

Cathy,


Do you know what is the weakest argument ever made? Changing the topic.


Look, if you think it is ok that republicans are just simply lying to be re-elected, when they actually plan to harm our healthcare, just say so. It is a disgusting position to hold, dishonest, dangerous, and against any ethical position by anyone, but hey...that really is your argument. You really are ok with republicans and the President basically lying to America out loud about one of the most important issues of our time.


Character requires honestly. Have the courage of your convictions...just admit you don't give a flying fuck about the truth here. Sure, it makes you a disgusting American, but at least you have your honesty at the end of the day.



So have you seen the newest Project Veritas videos, Jim, that show socialists lying their asses off to get elected?


Oops.  Was that whattaboutism?


ROTFLMAO.

docjim Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #10
  • From:USA

Re:When lying is the only option

Date Posted:18-10-2018 09:54:46Copy HTML

Skrumpie,


Know what the weakest form of argument is? Changing the topic.


I am not the topic here any more than your limited education is the topic. So, dense as you may be, the question here is: do you embrace republicans and this president lying to the American people about an issue as important as healthcare to win re-election?


If you do, that is pretty disgusting...but at least it would be an honest admission.



skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #11
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Re:When lying is the only option

Date Posted:18-10-2018 11:00:29Copy HTML

I have never seen you chastize one of your fellow socialists for doing that, Jim, and they do it constantly.


Your arguments are weak, Jim.  Worse, they are simply the rearranged thoughts of others.



skwanderer Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #12
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Re:When lying is the only option

Date Posted:18-10-2018 11:29:57Copy HTML

Your arguments are weak, Jim. Worse, they are simply the rearranged thoughts of others. ___ Says the Fox News regurgitating "socialist pukes" moron. You cant make up this kind of irony. Thank you as always skrumpie for your entertainment value, even if your debating value is below zero.
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #13
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Re:When lying is the only option

Date Posted:19-10-2018 12:27:23Copy HTML

Your arguments are weak, Jim.  Worse, they are simply the rearranged thoughts of others.

Says the Fox News regurgitating "socialist pukes" moron.  You cant make up this kind of irony.  Thank you as always skrumpie for your entertainment value, even if your debating value is below zero.


" I am a genius and if you don't accept what I say, fuck you"-SKDUMMY

cathymv Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #14
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Re:When lying is the only option

Date Posted:19-10-2018 01:21:16Copy HTML

I have never seen you chastize one of your fellow socialists for doing that, Jim, and they do it constantly.


Your arguments are weak, Jim.  Worse, they are simply the rearranged thoughts of others.




pointing out current liars on a subject about liars is changing the subject???  see skrumpir, why having a discussion with a leftist/socialist is a waste of time....

docjim Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #15
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Re:When lying is the only option

Date Posted:19-10-2018 03:10:48Copy HTML

And yet you are alll still too stupid to argue the issue here.


That's ok, because, after all, you really are not competent to discuss issues and debate arguments. You folks, the Righties here, are sort of the bottom of the barrel of Trump supporters, embarrassing even to the Trump side show freaks like the White Supremacists (seg, sorry to mention your folks). But hey, pray for yourselves to understand, grasp, and articulate reasonable arguments and maybe god will fucking create a miracle that grants you reason and thought. Don't get your hopes up.


In the meantime try not to clog up the conversation for your betters here...it just wastes space and barely generates a good laugh.


But let me be generous and give you still another chance: How do you feel about Trump and Friends outright lying to the American people about their health care and Social Security? Are you really good with that, because it is your TEAM and screw the truth?


Yet, I bet you are.



skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #16
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Re:When lying is the only option

Date Posted:19-10-2018 02:21:00Copy HTML

You want the issue argued, do you, Jim?  Despite the fact that you basically rewrite the exact same op-ed every week, after you have gotten all your ideas for them from other people and simply rearranged their words?


Okay, here goes:


Let no one tell you otherwise, winning an election is not an easy business in America unless you have been Gerrymandered into a comfy district, or have so much campaign funding that you can silence the voice of your opposition. 

That is total bullshit, Jim.  Gerrymandering is the excuse used by socialists every single time they lose.  When they're not blaming hanging chads or Russia, of course.

In 2018 many Republicans have discovered that even those usual advantages are not enough to feel secure in their desire to be re-elected. What price fame? Our Republican friends have discovered the virtue of the most famous of all things Trump, the Big Lie.

How would you have a clue what 'Republicans have discovered' Jim, since you aren't one and have no real interest in how your opposition thinks or feels?

Congressional Republicans took the Big Lie for a test drive in 2017 with Trump’s, “biggest tax cut in history,” (the claim a lie itself) that was for the middle class, and that rich folks, like Trump claimed of himself, would not gain at all.

This is where you are really not even a run-of-the-mill idiot, Jim.  This is Trump's style of speaking.  That is all it is.  While you spend all your timing picking nits, we supporters of this great economy spend our time being happy we have him and not Cankles The Criminal Clinton, which would have been an extension of the worst president in my lifetime, Hussein Obama.

The tax cut was intended to give back money to Republican donors who had grown disenchanted with their prodigy congress, and to encourage multinational corporations to be more generous with their Citizens United corporation as a person campaign contributions. That all worked out as planned and made for many happy billionaires and CEO’s. Oh, happy day!

Oh, the outrage.  I feel ya, Jim.  I don't remember you being similarly outraged when Hussein Obama pushed through 'stimulus' to pay back his union donors.  I don't remember you being similarly outraged when some of that 'stimulus' was used to create say, solar companies who went belly up almost immediately, while still creating happy millionaires, billionaires, and ex-CEO's.  Did I miss your whining then, Jim?

But it never worked out for, well, workers…people who actually went to work every day to earn a living. Corporations, for the most part just took their newfound wealth and pocketed it for stock buybacks and corporate bonuses.

Yep.  Those people in the companies that went belly up, if they weren't top tier, lost their jobs, didn't they?  Did you miss the news, Jim, about the companies that are returning their businesses to the US?  Did you miss the news about companies that voluntarily raised entry level wages?  Created new jobs?  Took existing jobs from part-time to full-time?  Used the tax cuts to offer health care and other benefits?

Consequently, regular folks were not fooled again by the concept known as, “Trickle Down,” re-named but unchanged from its previous editions, all dedicated to enriching those who did not need enriched. Polling has shown that the Big Lie tax cuts were never popular with a majority of Americans who could not help but notice the pittance of their paycheck changes were easily eaten up by their rising healthcare costs.

You really think you speak for everyone, Jim, but you speak for no one but yourself.  Here is a little clue.  I know you are proud to be an award-winning rearranger of the thoughts of others, and congratulations for it.  But the bottom line is your papers circulation is quite tiny, and very few people actually have interest in op-eds, so Jim, I will reiterate, you don't know who was fooled or not, and you don't influence but a handful to believe they were.

The people I have spoken to who are benefitting in their paychecks from the tax cuts, Jim, do not emulate Nancy Pelosi's 'crumbs' reference like you do.  It is so easy to prove you are anything but an original thinker. 

One might wonder why, given the failure of that Big Lie, Republicans would bounce back convinced that the problem was the lie was just not BIG enough. Enter Trump, the ultimate Master of the Big Lie, with his Op Ed claiming Democrats, not Republicans, are trying to destroy the Affordable Care Acts’ protection of pre-existing conditions and Medicare itself.

One might wonder why you pick nits all day, Jim.

This Big Lie was so oversized it requires voters to forget entirely that in 2017 Republicans came within one vote in the senate of ending the ACA and, with it, pre-existing conditions protections. Not only that, it requires Americans to ignore that the Trump administration and 20 Republican Attorney Generals’ are supporting a lawsuit to end the pre-existing conditions portion of Obamacare.

Now, if you wish to argue lies, Jim, go ahead.  What is being argued is that due to the ending of the individual mandate, the whole of Obamacare is unconstitutional.  Should that argument prevail, it would be left to the individual states as to whether they would require or urge or whatever language you wish to use, provision for the coverage of pre-existing conditions.

So you insistence, Jim, that their sole reasoning is to end coverage for pre-existing conditions is a lie.  In a thread in which you are bitching about lies.  It just doesn't get any better than that!!!


And if those two forgettings were not enough to expect of the now wary voter, voters have to forget that the current Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, has confessed that his biggest failure has been his inability to reduce Medicare and Social Security. Voters most also forget that the Senate Majority Leader, Mitch McConnell, just this week, in worrying about the huge deficits created by his tax cuts for donors created, blames Social Security and Medicare for the deficit instead of a tax cut we could not afford, and spending increases beyond the pale.

You keep believing voters are wary, Jim.  Nobody cares about Paul Ryan, he has been effectively gone since he announced his retirement. 

Just so you know, Jim, since the tax cuts, our Treasury has taken in more money than it would have taken in without them.   Another lie in a thread in which you are bitching about lies.  Priceless.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/trump-tax-cuts-federal-revenues-deficits/

The end result is that we now have Republicans across the country not only lying about their own record on healthcare (an unpopular record), but their fiscal irresponsibility that has given us huge deficits in the midst of prosperity, an unconscionable dereliction of duty.

Unpopular with YOUR SIDE, Jim, not ours.

In the meantime, as if falsifying their record and intent is not enough, they are lying about the Democrats position on healthcare, one of support of some form of healthcare for all in an affordable way with reduced drug costs for the American people.

Have you seen the newest Project Veritas videos of Socialists lying their asses off, Jim?

This is the gift of Trumpism.

So much better than the gift of Hussienism, or Clintonism.




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Re:When lying is the only option

Date Posted:19-10-2018 03:54:19Copy HTML

Jim, did you mean to say      "When lynching is the only option"

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Re:When lying is the only option

Date Posted:19-10-2018 04:16:27Copy HTML

You want the issue argued, do you, Jim?  Despite the fact that you basically rewrite the exact same op-ed every week, after you have gotten all your ideas for them from other people and simply rearranged their words?

That is only a bullshit ad hominem, skrumpie.

Okay, here goes:

Let no one tell you otherwise, winning an election is not an easy business in America unless you have been Gerrymandered into a comfy district, or have so much campaign funding that you can silence the voice of your opposition. 

That is total bullshit, Jim.  Gerrymandering is the excuse used by socialists every single time they lose.  When they're not blaming hanging chads or Russia, of course.

That is only your bullshit opinion, skrumpie, unless you can produce facts to corroborate it.  Of course we both know such facts do not exist.

In 2018 many Republicans have discovered that even those usual advantages are not enough to feel secure in their desire to be re-elected. What price fame? Our Republican friends have discovered the virtue of the most famous of all things Trump, the Big Lie.

How would you have a clue what 'Republicans have discovered' Jim, since you aren't one and have no real interest in how your opposition thinks or feels?

That is only a bullshit ad hominem, skrumpie.

Congressional Republicans took the Big Lie for a test drive in 2017 with Trump’s, “biggest tax cut in history,” (the claim a lie itself) that was for the middle class, and that rich folks, like Trump claimed of himself, would not gain at all.

This is where you are really not even a run-of-the-mill idiot, Jim.  This is Trump's style of speaking.  That is all it is.  While you spend all your timing picking nits, we supporters of this great economy spend our time being happy we have him and not Cankles The Criminal Clinton, which would have been an extension of the worst president in my lifetime, Hussein Obama.

That is only a bullshit ad hominem, skrumpie.

The tax cut was intended to give back money to Republican donors who had grown disenchanted with their prodigy congress, and to encourage multinational corporations to be more generous with their Citizens United corporation as a person campaign contributions. That all worked out as planned and made for many happy billionaires and CEO’s. Oh, happy day!

Oh, the outrage.  I feel ya, Jim.  I don't remember you being similarly outraged when Hussein Obama pushed through 'stimulus' to pay back his union donors.  I don't remember you being similarly outraged when some of that 'stimulus' was used to create say, solar companies who went belly up almost immediately, while still creating happy millionaires, billionaires, and ex-CEO's.  Did I miss your whining then, Jim?

That is only a bullshit ad hominem, skrumpie.

But it never worked out for, well, workers…people who actually went to work every day to earn a living. Corporations, for the most part just took their newfound wealth and pocketed it for stock buybacks and corporate bonuses.

Yep.  Those people in the companies that went belly up, if they weren't top tier, lost their jobs, didn't they?  Did you miss the news, Jim, about the companies that are returning their businesses to the US?  Did you miss the news about companies that voluntarily raised entry level wages?  Created new jobs?  Took existing jobs from part-time to full-time?  Used the tax cuts to offer health care and other benefits?

A condescending tone doesn't make your exaggerated opinions facts, skrumpie.  There are far more companies that did none of those things you say.

Consequently, regular folks were not fooled again by the concept known as, “Trickle Down,” re-named but unchanged from its previous editions, all dedicated to enriching those who did not need enriched. Polling has shown that the Big Lie tax cuts were never popular with a majority of Americans who could not help but notice the pittance of their paycheck changes were easily eaten up by their rising healthcare costs.

You really think you speak for everyone, Jim, but you speak for no one but yourself.  Here is a little clue.  I know you are proud to be an award-winning rearranger of the thoughts of others, and congratulations for it.  But the bottom line is your papers circulation is quite tiny, and very few people actually have interest in op-eds, so Jim, I will reiterate, you don't know who was fooled or not, and you don't influence but a handful to believe they were.

That is only a bullshit ad hominem, skrumpie.

The people I have spoken to who are benefitting in their paychecks from the tax cuts, Jim, do not emulate Nancy Pelosi's 'crumbs' reference like you do.  It is so easy to prove you are anything but an original thinker. 

Funny thing, skrumpie, the people I've spoken too about the the tax cuts have not significantly benefitted in their paychecks from them.  The amount of their paychecks increased by only negligible amounts, largely offset, or even completely overwhelmed by inflationary price increases.

One might wonder why, given the failure of that Big Lie, Republicans would bounce back convinced that the problem was the lie was just not BIG enough. Enter Trump, the ultimate Master of the Big Lie, with his Op Ed claiming Democrats, not Republicans, are trying to destroy the Affordable Care Acts’ protection of pre-existing conditions and Medicare itself.

One might wonder why you pick nits all day, Jim.

That is only a bullshit ad hominem, skrumpie.

This Big Lie was so oversized it requires voters to forget entirely that in 2017 Republicans came within one vote in the senate of ending the ACA and, with it, pre-existing conditions protections. Not only that, it requires Americans to ignore that the Trump administration and 20 Republican Attorney Generals’ are supporting a lawsuit to end the pre-existing conditions portion of Obamacare.

Now, if you wish to argue lies, Jim, go ahead.  What is being argued is that due to the ending of the individual mandate, the whole of Obamacare is unconstitutional.  Should that argument prevail, it would be left to the individual states as to whether they would require or urge or whatever language you wish to use, provision for the coverage of pre-existing conditions.

So you insistence, Jim, that their sole reasoning is to end coverage for pre-existing conditions is a lie.  In a thread in which you are bitching about lies.  It just doesn't get any better than that!!!

That is only your bullshit opinions, with a dash of ad hominem to top it off, skrumpie.


And if those two forgettings were not enough to expect of the now wary voter, voters have to forget that the current Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, has confessed that his biggest failure has been his inability to reduce Medicare and Social Security. Voters most also forget that the Senate Majority Leader, Mitch McConnell, just this week, in worrying about the huge deficits created by his tax cuts for donors created, blames Social Security and Medicare for the deficit instead of a tax cut we could not afford, and spending increases beyond the pale.

You keep believing voters are wary, Jim.  Nobody cares about Paul Ryan, he has been effectively gone since he announced his retirement. 

That is only your bullshit opinion, skrumpie.

Just so you know, Jim, since the tax cuts, our Treasury has taken in more money than it would have taken in without them.   Another lie in a thread in which you are bitching about lies.  Priceless.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/trump-tax-cuts-federal-revenues-deficits/

True that revenues for FY2018 are up by $14 billion over FY2017, skrumpie.  However, spending for FY2018 was up by $128 billion over FY2017. (figures from the article you cite)  In other words, the tax cuts did little to nothing to reduce the deficit.
Topping it off with an ad hominem does nothing to help your arguement, skrumpie.

The end result is that we now have Republicans across the country not only lying about their own record on healthcare (an unpopular record), but their fiscal irresponsibility that has given us huge deficits in the midst of prosperity, an unconscionable dereliction of duty.

Unpopular with YOUR SIDE, Jim, not ours.

That is only your bullshit opinion, skrumpie.

In the meantime, as if falsifying their record and intent is not enough, they are lying about the Democrats position on healthcare, one of support of some form of healthcare for all in an affordable way with reduced drug costs for the American people.

Have you seen the newest Project Veritas videos of Socialists lying their asses off, Jim?

That is an irrelevant bullshit partisan attack, skrumpie.

This is the gift of Trumpism.

So much better than the gift of Hussienism, or Clintonism.

That is just plain, straight out of your ass bullshit, skrumpie.

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Re:When lying is the only option

Date Posted:20-10-2018 06:00:38Copy HTML

Skrumpie,


Thanks for the reply,


Let no one tell you otherwise, winning an election is not an easy business in America unless you have been Gerrymandered into a comfy district, or have so much campaign funding that you can silence the voice of your opposition. 

That is total bullshit, Jim.  Gerrymandering is the excuse used by socialists every single time they lose.  When they're not blaming hanging chads or Russia, of course.

Actually it is not bullshit. Consider Ohio, PA. and Wisconsin, all states were the state popular votes went democrat in elections between 2012 and 2016 yet did not even come close to winning equal numbers of House seats. While both parties have used this tactic, Republicans hav been masterful in it, thus denying voters the outcome of their votes.

In 2018 many Republicans have discovered that even those usual advantages are not enough to feel secure in their desire to be re-elected. What price fame? Our Republican friends have discovered the virtue of the most famous of all things Trump, the Big Lie.

How would you have a clue what 'Republicans have discovered' Jim, since you aren't one and have no real interest in how your opposition thinks or feels?I am referring to the pretty public concept thqat Republicans may lose the House to the Democrats in spite of a good economy and the 2017 tax cuts.

Congressional Republicans took the Big Lie for a test drive in 2017 with Trump’s, “biggest tax cut in history,” (the claim a lie itself) that was for the middle class, and that rich folks, like Trump claimed of himself, would not gain at all.

This is where you are really not even a run-of-the-mill idiot, Jim.  This is Trump's style of speaking. Yes, the president's style is to openly lie to the voters. Trump lied claiming it was the biggest tax cut ever and that he, and rich folks like him would not benefit. That was not style, it was a falsehood. That he lied is undeniable...that it affected every taxpayer is dispicable. That is all it is.  While you spend all your timing picking nits, we supporters of this great economy spend our time being happy we have him and not Cankles The Criminal Clinton, which would have been an extension of the worst president in my lifetime, Hussein Obama.

The tax cut was intended to give back money to Republican donors who had grown disenchanted with their prodigy congress, and to encourage multinational corporations to be more generous with their Citizens United corporation as a person campaign contributions. That all worked out as planned and made for many happy billionaires and CEO’s. Oh, happy day!

Oh, the outrage.  I feel ya, Jim.  I don't remember you being similarly outraged when Hussein Obama pushed through 'stimulus' to pay back his union donors.  I don't remember you being similarly outraged when some of that 'stimulus' was used to create say, solar companies who went belly up almost immediately, while still creating happy millionaires, billionaires, and ex-CEO's.  Did I miss your whining then, Jim?Did you know the stimulus actually worked, limited only by its funding to be too lowto turn around the economy. In his new book "The Fifth Risk" Michael Lewis details that, even given the well known failure of Solarus, overall the loans made by the funds were fully repaid with interest. A more critical assessment comes from the WP: The truth is, both studies of the type Barro prefers, and studies using models, which he criticizes, have been conducted to determine the effect of the stimulus on employment and output. Of the nine studies I’ve found, six find that the stimulus had a significant, positive effect on employment and growth, and three find that the effect was either quite small or impossible to detect. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/did-the-stimulus-work-a-review-of-the-nine-best-studies-on-the-subject/2011/08/16/gIQAThbibJ_blog.html?utm_term=.14b1b3e8871b

But it never worked out for, well, workers…people who actually went to work every day to earn a living. Corporations, for the most part just took their newfound wealth and pocketed it for stock buybacks and corporate bonuses.

Yep.  Those people in the companies that went belly up, if they weren't top tier, lost their jobs, didn't they?  Did you miss the news, Jim, about the companies that are returning their businesses to the US?No, neither did I miss Sears closings or Toys R us.  Did you miss the news about companies that voluntarily raised entry level wages? No, I noticed Amazon forced to pay more to hire for the holidays. Did you see this though: 

Amazon's hourly workers lose monthly bonuses and stock awards as minimum wage increases

A good economy existed before the tax cuts. Created new jobs?  Took existing jobs from part-time to full-time?  Used the tax cuts to offer health care and other benefits?No, this I have not seen. Here you need some evidence. Nationally employee contributions have been rising.

Consequently, regular folks were not fooled again by the concept known as, “Trickle Down,” re-named but unchanged from its previous editions, all dedicated to enriching those who did not need enriched. Polling has shown that the Big Lie tax cuts were never popular with a majority of Americans who could not help but notice the pittance of their paycheck changes were easily eaten up by their rising healthcare costs.

You really think you speak for everyone, Jim, No, I do not, but I do believe polling does speak to the views of the people: 


     Budget, Taxes, Economic Policy



See also: Trump's ratings on the economy, taxes, budget, etc.


CNBC All-America Economic Survey conducted by Hart Research Associates (D) and Public Opinion Strategies (R). Oct. 4-7, 2018. N=800 registered voters nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.5.








"As you may know, a federal tax cut went into effect at the beginning of this year. Please tell me how much you think these tax cuts have benefited each of the following: a lot, a fair amount, just some, or not at all. ..."




A lotA fair
amount
Just
some
Not
at all
Unsure


%%%%%

"Large corporations"


10/4-7/18

541711414


"The wealthy"


10/4-7/18

521514613


"Small businesses"


10/4-7/18

1521291916


"Average taxpayers"


10/4-7/18

1120332412


"You personally"


10/4-7/18

81526429

 

CNBC All-America Economic Survey conducted by Hart Research Associates (D) and Public Opinion Strategies (R). June 16-19, 2018. N=800 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.5.








"Are you currently employed?"




YesNoUnsure/
Refused




%%%


6/16-19/18

60382


3/17-20/18

60391









If yes, currently employed:
"Would you say that, so far this year, you have more take-home pay due to lower federal taxes, or is this not the case?"




___ Employed adults ___




Do
have more
Do not
have more
Unsure/
Refused




%%%


6/16-19/18

344917


3/17-20/18

325216


 

Quinnipiac University Poll. June 14-17, 2018. N=905 registered voters nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.9.








"Do you approve or disapprove of the 2017 tax law passed by Congress and signed by President Trump?"




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No answer




%%%


ALL

394615


Republicans

78912


Democrats

68212


Independents

394516









but you speak for no one but yourself.  Here is a little clue.  I know you are proud to be an award-winning rearranger of the thoughts of others, and congratulations for it.  But the bottom line is your papers circulation is quite tiny, and very few people actually have interest in op-eds, so Jim, I will reiterate, you don't know who was fooled or not, and you don't influence but a handful to believe they were.

The people I have spoken to who are benefitting in their paychecks from the tax cuts, Jim, do not emulate Nancy Pelosi's 'crumbs' reference like you do.  It is so easy to prove you are anything but an original thinker. Your report is axiomatic, personal, but not statisrtically significant. Polling is significant and the poll above is one of many, none of which show a majority in favor of the tax cyts.

One might wonder why, given the failure of that Big Lie, Republicans would bounce back convinced that the problem was the lie was just not BIG enough. Enter Trump, the ultimate Master of the Big Lie, with his Op Ed claiming Democrats, not Republicans, are trying to destroy the Affordable Care Acts’ protection of pre-existing conditions and Medicare itself.

One might wonder why you pick nits all day, Jim.I do not find lying to voters about healthcare to be nit picking, do you?

This Big Lie was so oversized it requires voters to forget entirely that in 2017 Republicans came within one vote in the senate of ending the ACA and, with it, pre-existing conditions protections. Not only that, it requires Americans to ignore that the Trump administration and 20 Republican Attorney Generals’ are supporting a lawsuit to end the pre-existing conditions portion of Obamacare.

Now, if you wish to argue lies, Jim, go ahead.  What is being argued is that due to the ending of the individual mandate, the whole of Obamacare is unconstitutional.  Should that argument prevail, it would be left to the individual states as to whether they would require or urge or whatever language you wish to use, provision for the coverage of pre-existing conditions.That is, at best, disingenious. Ending the ACA ends insurers willingness to offer no penalty coverage of pre-existing conditions and leaves only the old plan of states under funding pools of money to offset individual high cost plans. Said shortly, it ends pre existing protections.

So you insistence, Jim, that their sole reasoning is to end coverage for pre-existing conditions is a lie.  In a thread in which you are bitching about lies.  It just doesn't get any better than that!!!Read carefully, I did not claim pre-existing was the sole reason.


And if those two forgettings were not enough to expect of the now wary voter, voters have to forget that the current Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, has confessed that his biggest failure has been his inability to reduce Medicare and Social Security. Voters most also forget that the Senate Majority Leader, Mitch McConnell, just this week, in worrying about the huge deficits created by his tax cuts for donors created, blames Social Security and Medicare for the deficit instead of a tax cut we could not afford, and spending increases beyond the pale.

You keep believing voters are wary, Jim.  Nobody cares about Paul Ryan, he has been effectively gone since he announced his retirement. 

Just so you know, Jim, since the tax cuts, our Treasury has taken in more money than it would have taken in without them.   Another lie in a thread in which you are bitching about lies.  Priceless.Well yes. So, if we cut taxes by $100 dollars (lost tax revenue), but the lower tax rate generates $22 in taxes, we still have a NEW deficit of $78. That is not success , it is debt and deficit, and that is how this tax cut works. In economic prosperity it will increase debt...wait 'til you see what it does in a recession.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/trump-tax-cuts-federal-revenues-deficits/

The end result is that we now have Republicans across the country not only lying about their own record on healthcare (an unpopular record), but their fiscal irresponsibility that has given us huge deficits in the midst of prosperity, an unconscionable dereliction of duty.

Unpopular with YOUR SIDE, Jim, not ours.Fair enough, but the general public disapproves of the tax cut and that is my point. You cannot seek independent voters by telling them about that tax cut, and republicans know it and do not even try.

In the meantime, as if falsifying their record and intent is not enough, they are lying about the Democrats position on healthcare, one of support of some form of healthcare for all in an affordable way with reduced drug costs for the American people.

Have you seen the newest Project Veritas videos of Socialists lying their asses off, Jim?

This is the gift of Trumpism.

So much better than the gift of Hussienism, or Clintonism.You might think so, but Trump's support, around 40% to 44% of voters, remains among the lowest for US president in the last 50 years.



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"Donald J. Trump has dispatched the White House press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, to Saudi Arabia to provide what the White House on Thursday called 'essential lying advice and assistance.'

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Just want to get something straight here, Jim.  You said


While both parties have used this tactic, Republicans hav been masterful in it, thus denying voters the outcome of their votes.


Now, I believe you are in the camp that believes it is high time to abandon the electoral college.


Why would you want to deny voters the outcome of their votes?

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Just want to get something straight here, Jim.  You said


While both parties have used this tactic, Republicans hav been masterful in it, thus denying voters the outcome of their votes.


Now, I believe you are in the camp that believes it is high time to abandon the electoral college.


Why would you want to deny voters the outcome of their votes?


It is the electoral college that can, and often does, deny wishes of the majority of voters

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Skrumpie,


I am no fan of gerrymandering by either party and regret the SC refuses to intercede.

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Republicans begin with a systemic advantage in electing senators and representatives, because the Democratic Party’s constituency has become heavily concentrated in big states and big cities. Every currently serving Democratic senator represents roughly 3.65 million people; every Republican roughly 2.51 million. Put another way, the fifty senators from the twenty-five least populous states—twenty-nine of them Republicans—represent just over 16 percent of the American population, and thirty-four Republican senators—enough to block conviction on impeachment charges—represent states with a total of 21 percent of the American population. With gerrymandering and voter suppression enhancing even more the systemic Republican advantage, it is estimated that the Democrats will have to win by 7 to 11 points (a margin only obtainable in rare “wave” elections) in the 2018 elections to achieve even the narrowest of majorities in the House of Representatives. https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2018/10/25/suffocation-of-democracy/
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Skrumpie,


I am no fan of gerrymandering by either party and regret the SC refuses to intercede.


Well Jim, my question was about your stance on ridding ourselves of the electoral college.

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more leftist lies... 



Deep State/Media/liberals TL: 3/4/17 - 5/15/18: “We didnt spy on Trump hes crazy!” 5/16/18: “There was an informant in the Trump camp.” 5/17/18: “We spied on Trump.” 5/18/18: “We spied to protect him from Russia.” 7/28/18: “We’re heroes!” 10/20/18: “Ok, we paid a few spies.” COUP.

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Skrumpie,


That would require a constitutional convention, so I doubt it likely. I would say, electing by the popular vote would tend to favor democrats where the EC favors republicans. 


But the devil is in the details. Campaigns would avoid all small states and campaign only in the big cities for votes if the system was changed. 


Frankly, I would need to study this more before developing an opinion.

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more leftist lies... 



Deep State/Media/liberals TL: 3/4/17 - 5/15/18: “We didnt spy on Trump hes crazy!” 5/16/18: “There was an informant in the Trump camp.” 5/17/18: “We spied on Trump.” 5/18/18: “We spied to protect him from Russia.” 7/28/18: “We’re heroes!” 10/20/18: “Ok, we paid a few spies.” COUP.




Hilarious.  Hilarious in a thread about Trump, Republicans, and Trump supporters lying.  

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Skrumpie, Cathy,


So let's resolve this whataboutism. Did you approve of Obama saying you could keep your Dr? Let me help you out here...you did not. So now you approve of Trump and republicans running this term for office lying their asses off? That makes you, by your own definiton, hypocrites. 


I, on the other hand, regret that Obama said what turned out to be untrue for as many as 5% of those using the ACA. 


But there is no comparison of a 5% untruthful" claim and for Trump's and republicans overall, 100% lying to voters about their positions on perhaps the most important issue of this election.


Republicans want to end the prior condition protection...a policy Americans hate. Republicans want to cut Social Security and Medicare, a policy Americans hate. So what do they do? Apologize and change their unpopular policies? Hell no...just lie about them then go back to work to destroy the healthcare millions of Americans rely upon.


One problem is that MANY like YOU actually BELIEVED Obama's lies at the outset while more objective thinkers didn't believe him from the start.

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