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Tomlapaz
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Date Posted:04-12-2018 04:19:29Copy HTML


https://www.prageru.com/videos/why-does-america-spend-so-much-israel


Video by Chuck Wald, US General


Focuses on why it is in America's self interest (from his POV) of the security benefits alone (he notes there are others) in supporting Israel.   I was surprised to find that we are talking 38 billion over 10 years.   I guess with the deficit and other expenditures, that did not seem like alot per se.

Come worship Jesus, born King of the Jews.
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Re:Why does America spend so much on Israel?

Date Posted:04-12-2018 06:32:12Copy HTML

$38 billion? bwhahahahahahahahaha...............research that firure, it's much, much higher.


By the way...................


Controlling the Israel Message: How to Manage the American Sheeple
 
By Philip Giraldi
If you criticize Israel don't let the door hit you in the ass as you leave the building.   http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50704.htm


THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE Honesty and frankness make you vulnerable. Be honest and frank anyway.
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Re:Why does America spend so much on Israel?

Date Posted:04-12-2018 01:25:46Copy HTML

Why don't you give us the links to your research, EZ?

Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
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Re:Why does America spend so much on Israel?

Date Posted:04-12-2018 04:05:03Copy HTML

Say, skrumpie, why don't you stop reflexivley squawking for a second and actually look at what was posted?

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Re:Why does America spend so much on Israel?

Date Posted:04-12-2018 07:24:47Copy HTML

Maybe skrumpie has difficulty downloading links. I'll help her and anyone else who couldn't or wouldn't bother to.


Controlling the Israel Message: How to Manage the American Sheeple

By Philip Giraldi

December 03, 2018 "Information Clearing House" -     There has been another defenestration of a television-based political commentator for touching the only real electrified third rail remaining in reporting what passes for the news. Marc Lamont Hill, a Temple University professor of Media Studies and Urban Education, who is a regular political commentator on CNN, was fired for what he said in a speech at the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People, which took place last Wednesday at the United Nations. Hill called for a “free Palestine from river to the sea,” which CNN considered grounds for terminating his contract.


As ever, the Israelis were quick to jump on the bandwagon with their New York Consul General Dani Dayan denouncing Hill as a “racist, a bigot, [and] an anti-Semite.” He noted that Hill is under contract both with Temple University and CNN, implying that he should be punished by being fired, and called the remarks “appalling.” To no avail, Hill responded "I support Palestinian freedom. I support Palestinian self-determination. I am deeply critical of Israeli policy and practice. I do not support anti-Semitism, killing Jewish people, or any of the other things attributed to my speech."


Hill was fired by CNN within 24 hours. The message is clear. You can criticize Christianity, Muslims, white males, Donald Trump and the American government at will and you can even criticize blacks or sexual alphabet soups if you are clever in how you do it, but never, never go after Jews or Israel even indirectly if you want to keep your job. One recalls the fate of Rick Sanchez, a CNN anchor who was fired in September 2010 one day after he complained about how Jon Stewart and others in the Jewish mafia that runs the media treat Hispanics, saying “Yeah, very powerless people. He's such a minority. I mean, you know, please. What—are you kidding? I'm telling you that everybody who runs CNN is a lot like Stewart, and a lot of people who run all the other networks are a lot like Stewart. And to imply that somehow they, the people in this country who are Jewish, are an oppressed minority?


Sanchez was forced to publicly grovel for his “inartful” comments and even had to write aletter of apology to the monstrous Abe Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL).  Far worse, he also had to endure two hours of counseling with “America’s rabbi” Shmuley Boteach. Sanchez subsequently drifted through low level jobs for a number of years, but he is now a news anchor with RT America.


Also in 2010, Octavia Nasr, a Lebanese-American journalist who had been CNN's Senior Editor for Mideast Affairs for over 20 years was immediately fired after she tweeted “sad to hear of the passing” of Lebanese cleric Sayyed Mohammad Hussein Fadlalah. Fadlalah’s only crime was that he had been demonized by Israel and the neocons as a “spiritual mentor” of Hezbollah. Nasr’s only crime is that she granted the admittedly controversial dead man some respect.


To be sure, CNN is pro-Israeli in its reporting and, more important, in terms of choosing what not to report. Its lead political anchor is Wolf Blitzer, a former American Israeli Political Action Committee (AIPAC) employee, who speaks Hebrew and has lived in Israel. Like most major American mainstream media outlets, CNN has numerous Jewish employees working to select, edit and produce the news stories that actually air, well placed to manage what does finally go out to the public.


Reports critical of Israel or Jews are not welcome anywhere in the U.S. national media, which is why Israel gets away with slaughtering unarmed Gazans using army snipers. I note a recent bizarre though interesting story that appeared in the British media and was not picked up by the U.S. mainstream at all. The story detailed how the leadership of the European Jewish Congress is seeking the insertion of “warning messages” in both Christian and Muslim holy texts. In a document entitled “An End to Antisemitism,” which was released last week, it was recommended that “Translations of the New Testament, the Qur’an and other Christian or Muslim literatures need marginal glosses, and introductions that emphasize continuity with Jewish heritage of both Christianity and Islam and warn readers about antisemitic passages in them. While some efforts have been made in this direction in the case of Christianity, these efforts need to be extended and made consistent in both religions.” One wonders when the same body will be recommending that the nastier bits of the Torah and Talmud be “glossed” to deal with the numerous slaughters of conquered peoples as well as slurs on Jesus Christ and assertions that Jews have`1 the right to treat non-Jews as no better than livestock?


Some in the media might argue that the same set of rules about not offending one’s religious beliefs would apply to all religions, not just to Judaism, but it is difficult to find evidence of any even handedness, particularly when Islam is being discussed by commentators who are completely ignorant of the tenets of the religion.  Nor are there any apparent limits in making ridiculous statements on CNN if one is disparaging Arabs, most particularly if they are Palestinians. CNN paid commentator former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum has claimed absurdly that Palestinians do not even exist, which many Israelis believe, without any admonishment. Consider the outrage if he were to say that Jewish Israelis do not exist, which may actually be much closer to the truth according to some geneticists.


And what about when a Jew is attacking Christians? Far from there being any consequences, there is a demonstrable double standard as Christian beliefs appear to be fair game in some circles. Dana Jacobson currently co-anchor for the weekend edition of CBS national morning news experienced an apparently alcohol driven meltdown at a sports roast that she was helping emcee in January 2008 when she was working for ESPN.


Belting down vodka and cursing “like a sailor,” Jacobson went after Catholics in particular and said “Fuck Notre Dame,” “Fuck touchdown Jesus” and “Fuck Jesus” a number of times before she was hauled off the stage. Her after-the-fact apology consisted of written concession that she had demonstrated a “poor lack of judgment.” And her punishment by ESPN also demonstrated a “lack of judgment” when the company spokesman Josh Krulewitz reported that “Her actions and comments were inappropriate and we’ve dealt with it.” Dealing with it apparently consisted of a one-week suspension.


Any company operating in the United States should be able to dismiss an employee for any reason or for no reason, but anything even mildly critical of Jewish collective behavior or Israel is severely punished immediately. Professor Marc Lamont Hill said nothing wrong. On the contrary, he said something badly needed and which should have been accepted by CNN if it were really a global communications network dedicated to the truth and, one might add, to justice. Instead it was more of the same old, same old. If you criticize Israel don’t let the door hit you in the ass as you leave the building.


Philip M. Giraldi is a former CIA counter-terrorism specialist and military intelligence officer who served nineteen years overseas in Turkey, Italy, Germany, and Spain. Phil is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest.

THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE Honesty and frankness make you vulnerable. Be honest and frank anyway.
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Re:Why does America spend so much on Israel?

Date Posted:04-12-2018 07:29:22Copy HTML

My question about research, EZ, was your assertion as to the dollar amount being spent on Israel being much higher than the 38 Billion stated.


Why not post THAT research?

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Re:Why does America spend so much on Israel?

Date Posted:04-12-2018 07:43:39Copy HTML

Skrumpie has JGS (Just Gotta Squawk).  LOL

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Re:Why does America spend so much on Israel?

Date Posted:04-12-2018 09:22:04Copy HTML

Maybe skrumpie has difficulty downloading links. I'll help her and anyone else who couldn't or wouldn't bother to.


Controlling the Israel Message: How to Manage the American Sheeple

By Philip Giraldi

December 03, 2018 "Information Clearing House" -     There has been another defenestration of a television-based political commentator for touching the only real electrified third rail remaining in reporting what passes for the news. Marc Lamont Hill, a Temple University professor of Media Studies and Urban Education, who is a regular political commentator on CNN, was fired for what he said in a speech at the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People, which took place last Wednesday at the United Nations. Hill called for a “free Palestine from river to the sea,” which CNN considered grounds for terminating his contract.


As ever, the Israelis were quick to jump on the bandwagon with their New York Consul General Dani Dayan denouncing Hill as a “racist, a bigot, [and] an anti-Semite.” He noted that Hill is under contract both with Temple University and CNN, implying that he should be punished by being fired, and called the remarks “appalling.” To no avail, Hill responded "I support Palestinian freedom. I support Palestinian self-determination. I am deeply critical of Israeli policy and practice. I do not support anti-Semitism, killing Jewish people, or any of the other things attributed to my speech."


Hill was fired by CNN within 24 hours. The message is clear. You can criticize Christianity, Muslims, white males, Donald Trump and the American government at will and you can even criticize blacks or sexual alphabet soups if you are clever in how you do it, but never, never go after Jews or Israel even indirectly if you want to keep your job. One recalls the fate of Rick Sanchez, a CNN anchor who was fired in September 2010 one day after he complained about how Jon Stewart and others in the Jewish mafia that runs the media treat Hispanics, saying “Yeah, very powerless people. He's such a minority. I mean, you know, please. What—are you kidding? I'm telling you that everybody who runs CNN is a lot like Stewart, and a lot of people who run all the other networks are a lot like Stewart. And to imply that somehow they, the people in this country who are Jewish, are an oppressed minority?


Sanchez was forced to publicly grovel for his “inartful” comments and even had to write aletter of apology to the monstrous Abe Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL).  Far worse, he also had to endure two hours of counseling with “America’s rabbi” Shmuley Boteach. Sanchez subsequently drifted through low level jobs for a number of years, but he is now a news anchor with RT America.


Also in 2010, Octavia Nasr, a Lebanese-American journalist who had been CNN's Senior Editor for Mideast Affairs for over 20 years was immediately fired after she tweeted “sad to hear of the passing” of Lebanese cleric Sayyed Mohammad Hussein Fadlalah. Fadlalah’s only crime was that he had been demonized by Israel and the neocons as a “spiritual mentor” of Hezbollah. Nasr’s only crime is that she granted the admittedly controversial dead man some respect.


To be sure, CNN is pro-Israeli in its reporting and, more important, in terms of choosing what not to report. Its lead political anchor is Wolf Blitzer, a former American Israeli Political Action Committee (AIPAC) employee, who speaks Hebrew and has lived in Israel. Like most major American mainstream media outlets, CNN has numerous Jewish employees working to select, edit and produce the news stories that actually air, well placed to manage what does finally go out to the public.


Reports critical of Israel or Jews are not welcome anywhere in the U.S. national media, which is why Israel gets away with slaughtering unarmed Gazans using army snipers. I note a recent bizarre though interesting story that appeared in the British media and was not picked up by the U.S. mainstream at all. The story detailed how the leadership of the European Jewish Congress is seeking the insertion of “warning messages” in both Christian and Muslim holy texts. In a document entitled “An End to Antisemitism,” which was released last week, it was recommended that “Translations of the New Testament, the Qur’an and other Christian or Muslim literatures need marginal glosses, and introductions that emphasize continuity with Jewish heritage of both Christianity and Islam and warn readers about antisemitic passages in them. While some efforts have been made in this direction in the case of Christianity, these efforts need to be extended and made consistent in both religions.” One wonders when the same body will be recommending that the nastier bits of the Torah and Talmud be “glossed” to deal with the numerous slaughters of conquered peoples as well as slurs on Jesus Christ and assertions that Jews have`1 the right to treat non-Jews as no better than livestock?


Some in the media might argue that the same set of rules about not offending one’s religious beliefs would apply to all religions, not just to Judaism, but it is difficult to find evidence of any even handedness, particularly when Islam is being discussed by commentators who are completely ignorant of the tenets of the religion.  Nor are there any apparent limits in making ridiculous statements on CNN if one is disparaging Arabs, most particularly if they are Palestinians. CNN paid commentator former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum has claimed absurdly that Palestinians do not even exist, which many Israelis believe, without any admonishment. Consider the outrage if he were to say that Jewish Israelis do not exist, which may actually be much closer to the truth according to some geneticists.


And what about when a Jew is attacking Christians? Far from there being any consequences, there is a demonstrable double standard as Christian beliefs appear to be fair game in some circles. Dana Jacobson currently co-anchor for the weekend edition of CBS national morning news experienced an apparently alcohol driven meltdown at a sports roast that she was helping emcee in January 2008 when she was working for ESPN.


Belting down vodka and cursing “like a sailor,” Jacobson went after Catholics in particular and said “Fuck Notre Dame,” “Fuck touchdown Jesus” and “Fuck Jesus” a number of times before she was hauled off the stage. Her after-the-fact apology consisted of written concession that she had demonstrated a “poor lack of judgment.” And her punishment by ESPN also demonstrated a “lack of judgment” when the company spokesman Josh Krulewitz reported that “Her actions and comments were inappropriate and we’ve dealt with it.” Dealing with it apparently consisted of a one-week suspension.


Any company operating in the United States should be able to dismiss an employee for any reason or for no reason, but anything even mildly critical of Jewish collective behavior or Israel is severely punished immediately. Professor Marc Lamont Hill said nothing wrong. On the contrary, he said something badly needed and which should have been accepted by CNN if it were really a global communications network dedicated to the truth and, one might add, to justice. Instead it was more of the same old, same old. If you criticize Israel don’t let the door hit you in the ass as you leave the building.


Philip M. Giraldi is a former CIA counter-terrorism specialist and military intelligence officer who served nineteen years overseas in Turkey, Italy, Germany, and Spain. Phil is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest.


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Re:Why does America spend so much on Israel?

Date Posted:04-12-2018 10:15:11Copy HTML

Dipshit's the new hall moniter? That's rich.

We're all prisoners of conscious.~
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Re:Why does America spend so much on Israel?

Date Posted:04-12-2018 11:50:26Copy HTML

Dipshit's the new hall moniter? That's rich.


Hey dumjizz, yopu still remain an imbecile!

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Re:Why does America spend so much on Israel?

Date Posted:05-12-2018 12:28:37Copy HTML

Dipshit's the new hall moniter? That's rich.



LOL, yes it's very rich.  LOL.  He's only doing it because I do this (see next post)

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Re:Why does America spend so much on Israel?

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Re:Why does America spend so much on Israel?

Date Posted:05-12-2018 02:14:06Copy HTML

My question about research, EZ, was your assertion as to the dollar amount being spent on Israel being much higher than the 38 Billion stated.


Why not post THAT research?



I had understood you to be asking about that.   I think sometimes we here are more interesting in what we are going to post, then read what was posted.

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Re:Why does America spend so much on Israel?

Date Posted:05-12-2018 04:23:08Copy HTML

The Staggering Cost of Israel
to Americans

Learn about the House’s recently passed bill which expands the $38 billion aid agreement signed under President Obama.

Israel has a population of approximately 8.7 million, roughly equal to the state of New Jersey. It is among the world's most affluent nations, with a per capita income slightly below that of the European Union.[1] Israel's unemployment rate of 4.3% is better than America's 4.4%,[2] and Israel's net trade, earnings, and payments is ranked 22nd in the world while the US sits in last place at a dismal 202nd.[3]

Yet, Israel receives more of America’s foreign aid budget than any other nation. The US has, in fact, given more aid to Israel than it has to all the countries of sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America, and the Caribbean combined—which have a total population of over a billion people.[5]

And foreign aid is just one component of the staggering cost of our alliance with Israel.

Given the tremendous costs, it is critical to examine why we lavish so much aid on Israel, and whether it is worth Americans' hard-earned tax dollars. But first, let's take a look at what our alliance with Israel truly costs.

Before the Iraq War in 2003

Direct Foreign Aid

According to the Congressional Research Service, the amount of official US aid to Israel since its founding in 1948 tops $134 billion (adjusting for inflation, roughly $252.7 billion as of March 2018), and in the past few decades it has been on the order of $3.1 billion per year.[6] (In 2014, for example, this amounted to $8.5 million every single day, and today totals over $10.4 million per day)

But this money is only part of the story. For one thing, Israel gets all of its aid money at the start of each year, rather than in quarterly installments like other countries.[7] This is significant: It means that Israel can start earning interest on the money right away – interest paid by the US since Israel deposits these funds into an interest-bearing account at the New York Federal Reserve Bank.[7.1] In addition, because the US government operates at a deficit, it must borrow money in order to give it to Israel and then pay interest on it all year. Together these cost US taxpayers more than $100 million every year.

Israel is also the only recipient of US military aid that is allowed to use a significant portion annually to purchase products made by Israeli companies instead of US companies. (The costs to Americans caused by this unique perk are discussed below.)

In addition, the US gives roughly $1.2 billion per year to Egypt and Jordan in aid packages arranged largely in exchange for peace treaties with Israel. The treaties don’t include justice for Palestinians, and are therefore deeply unpopular with the local populations.[8]

On top of this, the US gives around $250 million to the Palestinian Authority each year,[9] much of it used to rebuild infrastructure destroyed by Israel and to bolster an economy stifled by the Israeli occupation.[10] This would be unnecessary if Israel were to end the occupation and allow the Palestinians to build a functioning and self-sustaining economy.

Yet, there’s still much more to the story, because parts of US aid to Israel are buried in the budgets of various US agencies, mostly the Department of Defense. For example, since at least 2006, the American Defense budget has included between $202 and $729 million per year for missile defense programs in Israel.[11]

In all, direct US disbursements to Israel are higher than to any other country, even though Israelis only make up 0.1% of the world’s population. On average, Israelis receive 7,000 times more US foreign aid per capita than other people throughout the world, despite the fact that Israel is one of the world’s more affluent nations.[12] And that number rises significantly when one considers disbursements to Egypt, Jordan, and the Palestinian Authority and Defense spending on behalf of Israel.


Additional Ad hoc support for Israel

Dr. Thomas Stauffer, a Harvard economist and Middle East studies professor who twice served in the Executive Office of the President, wrote a comprehensive report about all components of the relationship with Israel’s cost to American taxpayers for the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs in 2003. He wrote:

"Another element is ad hoc support for Israel, which is not part of the formal foreign aid programs. No comprehensive compilation of US support for Israel has been publicly released. Additional known items include loan guarantees... special contracts for Israeli firms, legal and illegal[13] transfers of marketable US military technology, de facto exemption from US trade protection provisions, and discounted sales or free transfers of 'surplus' US military equipment. An unquantifiable element is the trade and other aid given to Romania and Russia to facilitate Jewish migration to Israel; this has accumulated to many billions of dollars."[14]

Israel has often used its privileged access to US military technology against both the US government and US corporate interests. According to the Associated Press in 2002,

"In France, Turkey, The Netherlands and Finland, Israeli companies have edged such U.S. firms as Raytheon, Northrop Grumman and General Atomics out of arms deals worth hundreds of millions of dollars in recent years. The irony, experts say, is that tens of billions of U.S. tax dollars and transfers of American military technology helped create and nurture Israel's industry, in effect subsidizing a foreign competitor."

The AP article quoted a vice president at the Aerospace Industries Association of America, who bluntly said, "We give them money to build stuff for themselves and the U.S. taxpayer gets nothing in return."[15]

Meanwhile, according to the Christian Science Monitor, Israel has also "blocked some major US arms sales, such as F-15 fighter aircraft to Saudi Arabia in the mid-1980s. That cost $40 billion over 10 years."[16]

Even worse, Israeli weapons "buttress the arsenals of nations such as China that the United States considers strategic competitors, alarming US military planners," the Associated Press article went on to report. "[In 2001] US surveillance planes flying along China's coast were threatened by Chinese fighter jets armed with Israeli missiles... Had Chinese fighter pilots been given the order to fire, they could have brought down the US planes with Israeli Python III missiles... US defense chiefs say Israel sold China the missiles without informing the United States."[17]


Lost jobs, trade, and standing

One of the most devastating indirect costs of the US alliance with Israel was the Arab oil boycott of 1973. The Arab states imposed the boycott in protest of U.S. support of Israel during the 1973 war, in which Arab countries attempted to reclaim lands Israel had invaded and occupied in 1967.

"Washington's intervention triggered the Arab oil embargo which cost the U.S. doubly: first, due to the oil shortfall, the US lost about $300 billion to $600 billion in GDP; and, second, the US was saddled with another $450 billion in higher oil import costs," wrote Stauffer in the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs.[18]

Then there's the cost in lost jobs. "US policy and trade sanctions reduce US exports to the Middle East about $5 billion a year, costing 70,000 or so American jobs," Stauffer estimates. "Not requiring Israel to use its US aid to buy American goods, as is usual in foreign aid, costs another 125,000 jobs."[19]

But perhaps the most damaging cost to the US has been its loss of standing in the Arab and Muslim worlds, where US largesse towards Israel as it commits human rights violations[20] provokes deep resentment. "To many of the world's Muslims, it places the US taxpayer on the Israeli side of its conflicts with Arabs," observed the Associated Press article.[21]

According to Harvard professor Stephen Walt, "The 9/11 Commission reported that 9/11 plotter Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's 'animus toward the United States stemmed not from his experiences there as a student, but rather from his violent disagreement with US foreign policy favoring Israel.' Other anti-American terrorists—such as Ramzi Yousef, who led the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center—have offered similar explanations for their anger toward the United States."[22]

There are many more potential categories of costs that are even more difficult to quantify. All in all, Stauffer estimates that Israel cost the US about $1.6 trillion between 1973 and 2003 alone—more than twice the cost of the Vietnam war.[23]

Costs since Stauffer's study in 2003

Israel's cost to American taxpayers has remained high since Stauffer's 2003 study. From 2009 to 2016, the US gave Israel an average of nearly $3 billion a year in military aid, under an agreement signed in 2007 by the Bush administration to transfer $30 billion to Israel over ten years.[24] This includes about $800 million for Israel to spend on local security products every year.

Recently, aid has been increased even further. On September 12, 2018, the Ileana Ros-Lehtinen United States-Israel Security Assistance Authorization Act of 2018 was passed in the U.S. House of Representatives, requiring that a minimum of $3.8 billion of aid be given to Israel annually until 2028. [25] Included in the bill’s provisions are strong measures to prevent aid from being withheld by the U.S., which has historically been attempted by nearly every president since Eisenhower in order to stop Israel from committing human rights violations or illegally confiscating Palestinian land.

Each military aid agreement with signed by Israel with the U.S. since the 1980’s has included an "Off Shore Procurement (OSP)" clause, which permits Israel to exchange 26.4 percent of the aid funds from dollars to shekels, which were then spent on military equipment from Israeli companies rather than purchasing American military goods. Because of this arrangement, the U.S. has subsidized Israel’s military industry by hundreds of millions of dollars yearly for close to thirty years. [26]

Israel has also spent roughly 13% of the yearly aid - $400 million – on different varieties of fuel for the IDF in recent years, in particular jet fuel for aircraft. Israel is unique among all U.S. aid recipients in being allowed to use aid funds in local markets and on fuel.

Combining the Off Shore Procurement (OSP) and fuel purchases, Israel is spending $1.2 billion each year (about 40% of yearly aid) to directly support its domestic budget. All of the other extras and costs remain and in some cases have increased since 2003. For example, "Despite a tough economic climate and expected US budget cuts—including drastic cuts to the US military budget—US lawmakers will provide $236 million in fiscal 2012 for the Israeli development of three missile defense programs," reported Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz.[27]

In addition, the US government "has provided $205 million to support the Iron Dome, manufactured by Israel's state-owned Raphael Advanced Defense Systems Ltd. The system uses small radar-guided missiles to blow up in midair Katyusha-style rockets with ranges of 3 miles to 45 miles, as well as mortar bombs… Legislation moving through the Republican-controlled US House of Representatives would give Israel additional $680 million for the Iron Dome system through 2015."[28]


And if, as many experts believe, the US would not have invaded Iraq without intense and sustained pressure from Washington insiders who advocate actively on behalf of Israel,[29] this adds yet another dimension of staggering cost to the equation: "hundreds of billions of dollars, 4,000-plus U.S. and allied fatalities, untold tens of thousands of Iraqi deaths, and many thousands of other US, allied, and Iraqi casualties," according to retired US foreign service officer Shirl McArthur.[30]

Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz and Harvard professor Linda Bilmes put the cost of the Iraq War at over $3 trillion, and incalculably more if you take into account the opportunity costs of the resources spent on this unproductive war. For example, higher oil prices due to the war have had a devastating impact on America's economy, and so have the surging federal debt and the servicing of that debt. Without the war, the 2008 financial crisis almost certainly would not have been as severe, and the Afghanistan war most likely would have been shorter, cheaper, and more effective.[31]

The Israel lobby and partisans are currently gunning for a war with Iran with the same zeal they showed in the run-up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.[32] By all estimates, the costs of a war with Iran will be much higher than the Iraq war. In addition to the loss of life, analysts predict, for example, that if Iran's oil production were taken out of the world market, gas prices would rise 25-70 percent.

If the Straits of Hormuz (straits adjacent to Iran through which 20% of the world's oil production passes on a daily basis) were attacked or blockaded, the cost of oil would skyrocket to a level never seen before, and the economic recession or depression that followed would be nothing short of "apocalyptic," according to Matthew Yglesias writing for Slate.[33]

Reasons and Consequences

So now we are back to the question of why America continues to pour money into a state that commits daily human rights violations, defies US strategic interests,[34] provokes rage and resentment among billions of people,[35] competes with and crowds out US interests using technology subsidized by US taxpayers, and sells America's military secrets to its enemies.[36]

The answer is simple and summed up well by professors Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer in their ground-breaking article in the London Review of Books, "The Israel Lobby,"[37] and their book The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy.[38]

"Why has the US been willing to set aside its own security and that of many of its allies in order to advance the interests of another state?" the article asks. "One might assume that the bond between the two countries was based on shared strategic interests or compelling moral imperatives, but neither explanation can account for the remarkable level of material and diplomatic support that the US provides.

"Instead, the thrust of US policy in the region derives almost entirely from domestic politics, and especially the activities of the 'Israel Lobby.' Other special-interest groups have managed to skew foreign policy, but no lobby has managed to divert it as far from what the national interest would suggest, while simultaneously convincing Americans that US interests and those of the other country—in this case, Israel—are essentially identical."[39]

AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, is consistently ranked in the top two most powerful lobbies in Washington.[40] And it is only one arm of the much larger, multi-faceted, and well-financed Israel lobby.[41]


According to Congressman Jim Moran, "AIPAC is very well organized. The members are willing to be very generous with their personal wealth. But it's a two edged sword. If you cross AIPAC, AIPAC is unforgiving and will destroy you politically. Their means of communications, their ties to certain newspapers and magazines, and individuals in the media are substantial and intimidating. Every [Congress] member knows it's the best-organized national lobbying force."[42]

Senator Joseph Lieberman proudly stated, "Any attempt to pressure Israel, to force Israel to the negotiating table by denying Israel support, will not pass in Congress… Congress will act against any attempt to do that."[43]

It's true: The US Congress, along with the executive branch, overwhelmingly support virtually any action or wish of the Israeli government, no matter how at odds with US national interest or security,[44] primarily because of the power of the Israel lobby.[45]


Even when two AIPAC employees were indicted on espionage charges in 2005, and it was determined that they had obtained classified US government information illegally and passed it to Israeli agents, the charges were quietly dropped on technicalities.[46] AIPAC fired both employees and issued a statement that they were fired because their actions did not comport with AIPAC standards.[47] One of the fired employees, Steven Rosen, filed a lawsuit for defamation, claiming his actions were, in fact, common practice at AIPAC.[48]

When Israel attempted to sink a U.S. Navy ship, the USS Liberty, in 1967, killing 34 Americans and injuring over 170, it still failed to put a dent in aid to Israel.[49] Indeed, aid quadrupled the following year.[50]

Though Congressmen receive payments and support from the lobby in exchange for their loyalty, the American taxpayer is left footing the bill. As detailed above, the total cost has run from a bare minimum of $121 billion since 1948 (the cost of foreign aid alone) to $1.6 trillion or more, factoring in Defense appropriations, oil crises, the destruction to the USS Liberty (causing the $40 million ship to be scrapped), the heightened risk of terrorism, lost trade and co-opted technology, and countless other factors. If the Iraq war and the increased risk of a war with Iran are factored in, the cost skyrockets even higher.

Critics point out how much brighter our future would be if we had invested these billions or trillions in veteran rehabilitation and care, education, job creation, social security, housing, environmental clean-up and prevention, roads, bridges, health care, and scientific and health research. Or if Americans had simply held onto their tax dollars and used them as they saw fit, in our own economy. If some of the higher estimates are closer to the mark, our support for Israel could easily have covered the $700 billion TARP bailout with a great deal left over for massive stimulus spending and/or tax breaks.


If Israel were using these funds for a good purpose, one could debate whether the price was worth it. But Israel uses most of the money to prolong a 47-year military occupation (which regularly involves gross violations of international law),[51] commit egregious human rights violations,[52] and destroy billions of dollars worth of Palestinian homes and infrastructure[53](resulting in still more U.S. tax money being sent to Palestinians to rebuild demolished homes, hospitals, and schools), while building illegal, Jewish-only settlements on Palestinian land.[54]

It makes the prospect of peace ever more distant, creates dangerous hostility to the US, placing Americans in peril, and puts the US Congress in violation of the Arms Export Control Act,[55] all for the sake of campaign contributions.

There is no good reason to keep throwing good money after bad in a failed, ill-founded policy. It's long past time for a fundamental rethinking of the American government's blank check to Israel.

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This report was produced by If Americans Knew analysts, particularly Pamela Olson, a President's Scholar at Stanford University 1998-2002 with a major in Physics, a minor in Political Science, and 1600 GRE scores. Before coming to IAK, Olson lived and worked in the West Bank; worked as a researcher in Moscow, Siberia, and China; and was a research analyst at the Institute for Defense Analysis. She is the author ofFast Times in Palestine.

This analysis updates the groundbreaking 1998 work by Richard Curtiss, "The Cost of Israel to U.S. Taxpayers,published in theWashington Report on Middle East Affairs. Mr. Curtiss, following military service in World War II, served for 30 years as a career Foreign Service Officer. He received the U.S. Information Agency's Superior Honor Award and the Edward R. Murrow award for excellence in Public Diplomacy, USIA's highest professional recognition. Upon retirement, Mr. Curtiss co-founded and the American Educational Trust, which produces the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs. He is also the author of two books on U.S.-Middle East relations. A more extensive bio can be read here.


[1] "Country Comparison: GDP Per Capita (PPP)," CIA World Factbook, 2012. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html

[2] "Country comparison: Unemployment rate," CIA World Factbook, 2012. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2129rank.html

[3] "Country comparison: Current account balance," CIA World Factbook, 2012. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html

[4] US Department of State, “State and USAID - FY 2013 Budget, February 13, 2012. https://2009-2017.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/02/183808.htm

[5] Richard Curtiss, "The Cost of Israel to the American People," Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, 1998. http://www.ifamericansknew.org/download/cost-new.pdf

[6] Jeremy Sharp, "US foreign aid to Israel," Congressional Research Service, April 10, 2018. http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf Ora Coren and Nadan Feldman, "U.S. aid to Israel totals over 233.6b over six decades," Ha'aretz, March 20, 2013. http://www.haaretz.com/business/u-s-aid-to-israel-totals-233-7b-over-six-decades.premium-1.510592

[7] Clyde R. Mark, "Israel: US Foreign Assistance," Congressional Research Service, April 26, 2005 http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/IB85066.pdf (Particularly noteworthy is the subsection of this report entitled, “Special Benefits for Israel.)

[7.1] Jeremy M. Sharp, "U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel," Congressional Research Service, April 10, 2018 https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

[8] USAID, “Foreign Aid By Country,” 2016. Egypt: https://explorer.usaid.gov/cd/EGY?implementing_agency_id=1 Jordan: https://explorer.usaid.gov/cd/JOR?implementing_agency_id=1 Retrieved on November 13, 2018.

[9] Jim Zanotti, "US foreign aid to the Palestinians," Congressional Research Service, November 2, 2018. http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS22967.pdf

[10] "Sustaining Achievements in Palestinian Institution-building and Economic Growth," World Bank, September 18, 2011. http://unispal.un.org/pdfs/WBank09-2011_AHLCReport.pdf Quote from the report: "Ultimately, in order for the Palestinian Authority to sustain the reform momentum and its achievements in institution-building, remaining Israeli restrictions must be lifted." See also: Dan Murphy, "Amid Palestinian statehood push, a grim World Bank report on the West Bank, Gaza," Christian Science Monitor, September 14, 2011. http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2011/0914/Amid-Palestinian-statehood-push-a-grim-World-Bank-report-on-the-West-Bank-Gaza Quote from the article: "The World Bank says that recent economic growth in Gaza and the West Bank has been almost entirely thanks to foreign aid, that a slowing of foreign aid delivery has presented the PA with a possible fiscal crisis, and that Israeli policies continue to stand in the way of sustainable economic improvement in the territories."

[11] Jeremy Sharp, "US foreign aid to Israel," Congressional Research Service, April 10, 2018. http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

[12] US Department of State, “State and USAID - FY 2013 Budget, February 13, 2012. https://2009-2017.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/02/183808.htm

[13] 'Illegal transfers' refers to several instances in which Israel has been accused of violating the Arms Export Control Act, which prohibits the use of US military assistance for purposes other than legitimate self-defense. For example, during Israel's invasions of Lebanon in 1982 and 2006, the Israeli air force dumped tens of thousands of cluster bomblets over wide civilian areas, resulting in horrific and long-lasting civilian casualties with dubious military utility. That's not even to begin to touch on daily Israeli violations of human rights in the Palestinian territories. Despite overwhelming evidence of Israeli violations of international law using US-supplied weapons, the US Congress has done little to comply with its own laws against funding such violations.

[14] Thomas Stauffer, "The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion," Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, June 2003. http://ifamericansknew.org/stat/stauffer.html

[15] Jim Krane, "U.S. Aid to Israel Subsidizes a Potent Weapons Exporter," Associated Press, June 20, 2002. http://ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/p-krane.html

[16] David Francis, "Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US," Christian Science Monitor , December 9, 2002. http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html

[17] Jim Krane, "U.S. Aid to Israel Subsidizes a Potent Weapons Exporter," Associated Press, June 20, 2002. http://ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/p-krane.html

[18] Thomas Stauffer, "The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion," Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, June 2003. http://ifamericansknew.org/stat/stauffer.html

[19] David Francis, "Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US," Christian Science Monitor , December 9, 2002. http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html

[20] For a small sampling of Israeli human rights violations, see Amnesty International's "Annual Report: Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories 2013" http://www.amnestyusa.org/research/reports/annual-report-israel-and-the-occupied-palestinian-territories-2013, Human Rights Watch's most recent reports https://www.hrw.org/publications?country%5B0%5D=9638, and the publications of B'Tselem (the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) http://www.btselem.org/publications

[21] Jim Krane, "U.S. Aid to Israel Subsidizes a Potent Weapons Exporter," Associated Press, June 20, 2002. http://ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/p-krane.html

[22] Stephen Walt, "Whiff of Desperation," Foreign Policy, April 25, 2011. https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/04/25/whiff-of-desperation/

[23] David Francis, "Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US," Christian Science Monitor, December 9, 2002. http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html

[24] Shirl McArthur, "A conservative estimate of total direct US aid to Israel: more than $130 billion," Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, November 2008. http://ifamericansknew.org/stat/130bill.html

[25] Feied, Nicole, “Israel would get far more than $38 billion under the new deal,” Israel-Palestine News, September 18, 2018. https://israelpalestinenews.org/israel-gets-far-more-than-38-billion-under-the-new-deal/

[26] Barak Ravid, “U.S. Seeks to Increase Aid to Israel - With More of It to Be Spent on American Equipment,” Ha’aretz, July 2, 2016. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-u-s-seeks-to-increase-aid-to-israel-with-less-local-spending-1.5404367

[27] Natasha Mozgovaya, "Obama signs bill that includes added U.S. military assistance to Israel," Haaretz, December 24, 2011. http://www.Haaretz.com/blogs/focus-u-s-a/obama-signs-bill-that-includes-added-u-s-military-assistance-to-israel-1.403268

[28] "U.S. eyes funding boost for Israel's 'Iron Dome' shield," Reuters, May 17, 2012. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/18/us-usa-israel-irondome-idUSBRE84G10P20120518

[29] John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, "The Israel Lobby," London Review of Books , March 23, 2006. http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby See also: Stephen J. Sniegoski, "The Transparent Cabal: The Neoconservative Agenda, War in the Middle East, and the National Interest of Israel," Ihs Press, September 1, 2008.

[30] Shirl McArthur, "A conservative estimate of total direct US aid to Israel: more than $130 billion," Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, November 2008. http://ifamericansknew.org/stat/130bill.html

[31] Joseph Stiglitz and Linda Bilmes, "The true cost of the Iraq war: $3 trillion and beyond," Washington Post , September 5, 2010. http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2010/09/stiglitz-and-bilmes-the-true-cost-of-the-iraq-war.html (Update: the original article has been removed from the Washington Post website, as well as the cache.)

[32] See articles at http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/new/?page_id=134

[33] Matthew Yglesias, "War for No Oil," Slate, March 7, 2012. http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2012/03/oil_speculators_are_right_a_war_with_iran_would_devastate_the_economy_.html

[34] See, for example: Mark Landler, "Obama Presses Netanyahu to Resist Strikes on Iran," New York Times, March 5, 2012. www.nytimes.com/2012/03/06/world/middleeast/obama-cites-window-for-diplomacy-on-iran-bomb.html And: "Biden condemns new Israeli settlement plan," USA Today, March 9, 2010. http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010-03-09-Israel_N.htm

[35] Andrew Sullivan, "Why Continue to Build the Settlements?" Originally published on The Daily Beast, March 30, 2012. http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2012/03/30/why-beinart-matters/ Excerpt: "The deliberate population of occupied lands violates the Geneva Conventions. The occupation itself enrages the Arab and Muslim world and creates a huge drag on the US's strategic need to build up allies among emerging Arab democracies, and defuse Jihadism across the globe." See also: Philip Weiss, "Former State Department official says Obama calls for human rights and democracy are 'undercut' by position on Palestinians," Mondoweiss , April 2, 2012. http://mondoweiss.net/2012/04/former-state-dept-official-says-obama-calls-for-human-rights-and-democracy-are-undercut-by-position-on-palestinians.html

[36] Jim Krane, "U.S. Aid to Israel Subsidizes a Potent Weapons Exporter," Associated Press, June 20, 2002. http://ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/p-krane.html

[37] John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, "The Israel Lobby," London Review of Books , March 23, 2006. http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby

[38] John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy, Farrar, Straus and Giroux, August 2007.

[39] John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, "The Israel Lobby," London Review of Books , March 23, 2006. http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby An earlier book by former Congressman Paul Findley, They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront Israel's Lobby, first exposed this in 1985. Findley and others founded the Council for the National Interest to try to counter this.

[40] Jeffrey Birnbaum, "Washington's Power 25: which pressure groups are best at manipulating the laws we live by?" CNN Money , December 8, 1997. http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1997/12/08/234927/index.htm Other top contenders include the American Association of Retired Persons, with over 40 million members, and the National Rifle Association.

[41] "Introduction to the Israel lobby," Council for the National Interest , August 19, 2011. http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/new/?page_id=33

[42] Michael Lerner, "The Israel Lobby," Tikkun Magazine , September/October 2007. http://www.tikkun.org/article.php/Lerner-the-israel-lobby

[43] Jeremy Sharp, "US foreign aid to Israel," Congressional Research Service, April 10, 2018. http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

[44] Max Fisher, "Should U.S. Veto UN Measure Condemning Israeli Settlements?" The Atlantic Wire, January 20, 2011. http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/01/should-u-s-veto-un-measure-condemning-israeli-settlements/21438

[45] "Even if Democrats and Republicans bicker on every other issue, AIPAC leaders seemed constantly eager to stress that one thing on which the parties can come together is unswerving devotion to Israel." Gregory Levey, "Inside America's powerful Israel lobby," Salon , March 16, 2007. http://www.salon.com/2007/03/16/aipac Just recently has there been some high-level pushback against AIPAC's hegemonic power in Washington. See, for example: Robert Dreyfuss, "AIPAC: Still the chosen one?" Mother Jones , September/October 2009. http://motherjones.com/politics/2009/09/aipac-still-chosen-one And: Alex Kane, "Sunlight on the lobby: AIPAC's push for war exposed in 'Atlantic' magazine blog," Mondoweiss , February 24, 2012. http://mondoweiss.net/2012/02/sunlight-on-the-lobby-aipacs-push-for-war-exposed-in-atlantic-magazine-blog.html

[46] Wikipedia, "Steven J. Rosen." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_J._Rosen#Indictment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_J._Rosen#Indictment

[47] Nathan Guttman, "AIPAC Gets Down and Dirty in Pushback vs. Defamation Suit," The Forward, November 16, 2010. http://forward.com/articles/133172/aipac-gets-down-and-dirty-in-pushback-vs-defamatio

[48] Jeff Stein, "Ex-AIPAC official got at least $670,000 from donors," Washington Post, November 19, 2012. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/11/ex-aipac_official_got_670000_from_private_donors.html

[49] The findings of the Independent Commission of Inquiry into the Israeli Attack on the USS Liberty , the Recall of Military Rescue Support Aircraft while the Ship was Under Attack, and the Subsequent Cover-up by the United States Government can be read at http://ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-commfindings.html

[50] Jeremy Sharp, "US foreign aid to Israel," Congressional Research Service, April 10, 2018. http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

[51] Jeremy R. Hammond, "Rogue State: Israeli Violations of U.N. Security Council Resolutions," Foreign Policy Journal, January 27, 2010. http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/01/27/rogue-state-israeli-violations-of-u-n-security-council-resolutions

[52] For a small sampling of Israeli human rights violations, see Amnesty International's "Annual Report: Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories 2013" http://www.amnestyusa.org/research/reports/annual-report-israel-and-the-occupied-palestinian-territories-2013, Human Rights Watch's most recent reports https://www.hrw.org/publications?country%5B0%5D=9638, and the publications of B'Tselem (the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) http://www.btselem.org/publications

[53] See Rory McCarthy, "Hamas offers $52m handouts to help hardest-hit Gazans," The Guardian, January 25, 2009. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/26/hamas-payout-gaza-infrastructure And :The Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions. http://www.icahd.org/

[54] "Israeli Settlements on Palestinian Land," If Americans Knew, May 2002. http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/settlements.html

[55] The Arms Export Control Act prohibits the use of US military assistance for purposes other than legitimate self-defense. Despite overwhelming evidence of Israeli violations of international law using US-supplied weapons (a few of them outlined in citations above), the US Congress has done little to comply with its own laws against funding these violations.


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Well, that certainly silenced some. The $38B figure sounded suspect to me to me to start with simply because I know that they get a lot of military aid that isn't accounted for in foreign aid spending. That said, I find equally suspect, when it comes to the truths of assertions made in the ICH piece, in the term "Jewish mafia". That is a logical fallacy called poisoning the well, and really detracts from anything else the author might say.
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Girardi's use of that term is accurate, regardless of what some might say. Some food for thought in both of the pieces. Research they requested, they got some.

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Back to being the sniveling little boy in the classroom who craves the teacher's attention, eh?

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I was just wondering, EZ, if you can tell me what areas of the Carribean are totally surrounded by countries who have openly stated they wish to wipe the Carribean and its citizens off the face of the earth?  Or Sub-Sarharan Africa, or Latin America.


That one little factoid there is a pretty good explanation of why Israel might require more foreign aid for things like missile development programs than the other three areas, don't you think?


What is 'justice for Palestine', and what does it have to do with foreign aid?


If you watched the video presented by Tomas, you would gain some insight and wouldn't have to go off in your typical, kneejerk fashion.  The video is specific in addression DEFENSE SPENDING.  None of the other stuff you put up which is peripheral to it. 

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Back to being the sniveling little boy in the classroom who craves the teacher's attention, eh?


Nope.  It's just part of your delusional vortex, wale.

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Part of the reason is the American establishment's irrational hatred of Iran which the Israelis and Saudis also exhibit.

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Part of the reason is the American establishment's irrational hatred of Iran which the Israelis and Saudis also exhibit.


You are making a joke when you post this nonsense, yes?

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I was just wondering, EZ, if you can tell me what areas of the Carribean are totally surrounded by countries who have openly stated they wish to wipe the Carribean and its citizens off the face of the earth?  Or Sub-Sarharan Africa, or Latin America.


That one little factoid there is a pretty good explanation of why Israel might require more foreign aid for things like missile development programs than the other three areas, don't you think?


What is 'justice for Palestine', and what does it have to do with foreign aid?


If you watched the video presented by Tomas, you would gain some insight and wouldn't have to go off in your typical, kneejerk fashion.  The video is specific in addression DEFENSE SPENDING.  None of the other stuff you put up which is peripheral to it. 


I gave you 2 pieces of fact filled information, and as usual you ignore them. 


I did watch that Prager propaganda piece filled with lies and right wing spin. If you claim to get "insight" from those guys, well then, there's nothing to talk about. 

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And I am asking you, as I always do, how you KNOW that the information you put up if FACTUAL.


I simply pointed out that the video Tomas presented had to do ONLY with spending for defense and that any other information you provided to prove the USA spent more than the video stated on Israel was NOT the point of the video.



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Part of the reason is the American establishment's irrational hatred of Iran which the Israelis and Saudis also exhibit.


You are making a joke when you post this nonsense, yes?


It isn't nonsense.

Lay out your reasons for saying it is.

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Part of the reason is the American establishment's irrational hatred of Iran which the Israelis and Saudis also exhibit.


You are making a joke when you post this nonsense, yes?


It isn't nonsense.

Lay out your reasons for saying it is.


"..irrational hatred of Iran"... ANYONE who posts that crap is just STUPID as are YOU as your content ( or lack thereof) shows you to be an idiot!

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Part of the reason is the American establishment's irrational hatred of Iran which the Israelis and Saudis also exhibit.


You are making a joke when you post this nonsense, yes?


It isn't nonsense.

Lay out your reasons for saying it is.



LOL  You do know that is never going to happen, don't you, Yobbo?  (a rhetorical question, you've had enough experience with wale to know what his only response is, and that it's NOT "laying out reasons.")

Yobbo Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #26
  • From:New_zealand

Re:Why does America spend so much on Israel?

Date Posted:06-12-2018 02:28:57Copy HTML

https://journal-neo.org/2018/08/17/hello-they-lied-to-you-about-iran/

"Les hommes ne font jamais le mal si complètement et joyeusement que lorsqu'ils le font par conviction religieuse." Blaise Pascal
wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #27
  • From:USA

Re:Why does America spend so much on Israel?

Date Posted:06-12-2018 03:29:50Copy HTML

Part of the reason is the American establishment's irrational hatred of Iran which the Israelis and Saudis also exhibit.


You are making a joke when you post this nonsense, yes?


It isn't nonsense.

Lay out your reasons for saying it is.



LOL  You do know that is never going to happen, don't you, Yobbo?  (a rhetorical question, you've had enough experience with wale to know what his only response is, and that it's NOT "laying out reasons.")


You seem to be one brick short in response everytime.  Already laid out for him.

wale63 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #28
  • From:USA

Re:Why does America spend so much on Israel?

Date Posted:06-12-2018 03:31:32Copy HTML

https://journal-neo.org/2018/08/17/hello-they-lied-to-you-about-iran/


Iran took Amrican hostages and held them 444 days- NO LIE

Iran working on Nuclear capability- NO LIE

Iran has stated publically they will use these weapoms first on Israel- NO LIE

got the idea dummy?

easyrider123 Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #29
  • From:Norway

Re:Why does America spend so much on Israel?

Date Posted:06-12-2018 05:33:34Copy HTML

https://journal-neo.org/2018/08/17/hello-they-lied-to-you-about-iran/


  ............ reality and truth don't get much traction with these dimwits, unfortunately.........for everyone

skrumpie Share to: Facebook Twitter MSN linkedin google yahoo #30
  • From:Argentina

Re:Why does America spend so much on Israel?

Date Posted:06-12-2018 02:30:50Copy HTML

Now we believe Russia-based news?


It's so confusing.......

Try to remember the kind of September when men weren't girls and girls weren't fellas..................
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