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anjypanjy
  • From:USA

Date Posted:08-11-2018 02:18:44Copy HTML

I watched a documentary recently (Missrepresentation) which was enlightening overall, but one particular factoid stood out to me and honestly sort of blew my mind. 


Cuba, China, Iraq and Iran have had more women in upper-level government positions than the United States.


That's just hard to even fathom. Anyway, I did a little gooogling this morning as I was mulling that over and came across this article with this nifty chart. It turns out we here in the Land of the Free don't fare any better than Arab nations when it comes to women in power. 


This makes the gains by women in this most recent election even more meaningful and long overdue, honestly. 


Anyway, I just wanted to share and get everyone's thoughts. Am I the only one shocked by this information?


https://www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-faction/2017/4/10/15239998/womens-representation-congress-america

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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:10-11-2018 03:39:30Copy HTML

Sorry, QZ, if I was unclear, my point was not that conservative women don't value themselves, but rather that evangelical men don't value women, and therefore won't vote for them. That said, yes, I do know evangelical women, and yes, not all by sure, but at least a couple I know are adamant that they are subservient to their husband and vote as he does. And if that is case, and the man isn't going to vote for a woman, then they're not going to either, no matter how much they may value themselves as women. Second, there are conservative women elsewhere who DO win election--both Maggie Thatcher and Angela Merkel were conservative women who did quite well in politics. The difference in their nations and ours, however, is that they didn't depend on evangelicals and hardline protestant sects for their electoral majorities: Republicans DO, however, so that dictates what kind of candidates they will conscript.
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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:10-11-2018 05:26:20Copy HTML

“I think you and I agree more than we may differ, but both of us are examples of strong women making their own choices.”  ~ QZ Yes, often what you say so well, is exactly what I think. We may be examples of strong women making their own choices, but we’re not as rare or special as that sounds.  My argument, supported actually by your choices, is that every woman makes decisions that are best for her at the time then life happens.  Looking for someone else to blame is a common human frailty.  Feminists tend to target men, and I don’t hold them responsible as a whole, but individuals within that gender seem to have been born in the wrong century.

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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:11-11-2018 02:01:51Copy HTML

Sorry, QZ, if I was unclear, my point was not that conservative women don't value themselves, but rather that evangelical men don't value women, and therefore won't vote for them. That said, yes, I do know evangelical women, and yes, not all by sure, but at least a couple I know are adamant that they are subservient to their husband and vote as he does. And if that is case, and the man isn't going to vote for a woman, then they're not going to either, no matter how much they may value themselves as women. Second, there are conservative women elsewhere who DO win election--both Maggie Thatcher and Angela Merkel were conservative women who did quite well in politics. The difference in their nations and ours, however, is that they didn't depend on evangelicals and hardline protestant sects for their electoral majorities: Republicans DO, however, so that dictates what kind of candidates they will conscript.




Your bias against protestanism colors your analysis, at least in term of me giving any weight to it. The only thing I'm going to say which is necessary to negate your agument is that conservative women who have been elected couldn't have won without evangelical men's votes. 


There is nothing more infantilizing to women AND men than to suggest that a woman MUST be elected because she has a vagina, and if she doesn't win it is because neandrathals won't vote for her and their wives support whatever their caveman wants.  Your underlying argument is that conservative women candidates should not be judged on their own merits, AND that any woman who finds her man's judgment valuable or even better than hers didn't come to that assessment based on both their merits, and that if evangelicals prefer the male candidate over the female in any individual race, it couldn't possibly be because he is more qualified or representative of both their druthers.  Conversely, so long the vagina bearer believes and supports Prog druthers, the fact she votes just like HER Prog man, both of whom believe her vagina makes her opinion valuable even it is provable nonense even to them, equates to valuing women.   In so far as I'm concerned, there is no worse enemy to women than second and third wave feminism and it's effects have been even worse for men and for children.  The statistic bear this out in terms of measuring a society's stability factors and the trends are not good.  


I hate to break it to you, but you have several Prog women in office with the IQ of a tree stump and the only thing greater than their incompetence is their corruption.  If you think that is progress, that a incompetent corrupt moron can be relected over and over so her vagina gets counted as a sign of how much better your party is for women...and you and Dem/Progs clearly do...then it shouldn't be any wonder why we have the government you deserve. 

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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:11-11-2018 02:25:03Copy HTML

 We may be examples of strong women making their own choices, but we’re not as rare or special as that sounds. 



I could not agree more.  Whether measured as a whole...or as individuals...women in the main have a strength that is different than men and vice versa.   I celebrate both and both are necessary to be celebrated for the long terms health of our country.   The trend toward a victim mentality as progress is dibilitating and divisive and a very large chunk of it is based on pure twaddle and self indulgence.  This is distorting reality, not to mention identity of both the person and subgroups, and it is creating all manner of mental/emotional dysfuction, and makes a mockery of justice for real victims. 


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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:11-11-2018 04:26:49Copy HTML

I would certainly agree that women and men are different with different strengths. But I think it's too easy to dismiss it mostly on that and the idea that women simply don't want to be in those positions. I think the fact that numbers of women in government are on the rise and the observation that countries that don't exactly think of the two sees as same/equal in every way have women more represented are evidence that "women just don't wanna" is a little too easy of an answer. And I thi k that pointing to women who have made it is similar to pointing to a black president and claiming that racism is no longer a factor, because it requires that you ignore the large chunk of voters who reject a black candidate at least in some small part because of their deeply ingrained feelings about race. And I certainly would not say that simply acknowledging that factor is necessarily victim mentality I'm not trying to over simplify your arguments; as usual I agree with a lot of what you say. I just dont know if I'm landing at the same conclusion.
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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:11-11-2018 04:32:06Copy HTML

I'm also not sure I understand your position that conservative women may not run because they do not see government as the solution. Why does this explain a lack of conservative women but not a lack of conservative men running? And is it not true that if you believe in smaller government, that position needs to be defended by someone in office who believes the same?
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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:12-11-2018 01:06:45Copy HTML

lol, QZ, you seem determined to make more of my words than I either intended or is warranted. First, I said NOTHING, not ONE word, about the intelligence of conservative women, whether running for office or not, so your comment about progs "dumb as a stump:, however true, has no place in this convo. 

Second, to say that for many evangelicals and hardline protestants that the call is to submit to one's husband's judgement is not to pass judgment on those women who do so: if that is truly what they believe they are called upon to do by their faith, then doing so is in no way stupid or wrong, it simply is what is. 

Third, I don't know it's impossible for conservative women to win election without the votes of a significant portion of male evangelicals. If you took from my words that no evangelical man would EVER vote for a conservative woman, then my apologies, once again I expected you understand we were speaking of the majority, not every single one. And that it is a majority is borne out by the points below...hardly likely that the SBC would have passed a resolution of the sort noted without a majorty of men agreeing with it.


Southern Baptists Declare Wife Should 'Submit' to Her Husband - The ... https://www.nytimes.com/.../southern-baptists-declare-wife-should-submit-to-her-husban... Jun 10, 1998 - ... its essential statement of beliefs today to include a declaration that a woman ... The submission of wives to their husbands, Mr. Mohler said, is ''not a ... Today's vote helps reinforce the image of Southern Baptists as staking out some of the most conservative positions among evangelical Protestants, a ... 


 North Carolina GOP Candidate Preached Extensively on Wives ... https://www.rollcall.com/.../north-carolina-gop-candidate-preached-extensively-wives-... Aug 6, 2018 - Wives submit yourselves unto your own husbands as unto the Lord,” he said in ... views on women are not that out of line with conservative Christian doctrine. ... He lost to Pittenger by 134 votes in 2016 Republican primary. 


Fourth, this has nothing to do with some supposed "bias"against towards protestantism on my part. Coming from someone who KNOWS factually I am one of the VERY few liberals who defends religious perspectives on this board, I am hurt, QZ, truly hurt. *sheds tear*. It is true that I have said that persons who share the evangelical viewpoint which damns some before all time makes them unsuited to hold certain positions in government. As I have pointed out, that perspective and holding a position that requires them to make judgements for services and goods to ALL walks of life are logically inconsistent, and no more make me biased against protestants than I would be in saying that a strict Muslim is not appropriate to head the ATF for the same inability of separating his religious perspective from the appointed duties of the position. Do you believe, QZ, that a Catholic who believes that all abortions are murder would be a good person to head an agency the essential premise of which is that some abortions are not murder? Do you think that it is biased to way he is inappropriate to the position because he cannot separate, and remain in good conscience both politically and religiously, his religious perspective from the duties of his position? How then can a person who believes that if you are poor, or sick, it is because god wants you to be poor or sick, how can that person be expected to head agencies or proffer advice on cases in a government specifically founded on the belief that being sick or poor is NOT evidence of God's displeasure with one?


Finally, the fact that I have noted that of the evangelical/hardline Christian god that I subscribe to John Milton's own perspective on that god, "though I be damned to hell for it, such a god I cannot respect" is hardly evidence of some 'bias' against protestantism. 


 The only thing I'm going to say which is necessary to negate your agument is that conservative women who have been elected couldn't have won without evangelical men's votes.   

 No, because that assumes that evangelicals are a large enough segment of every DISTRICT, rather than a factor in the electoral college, to be able to weight the difference. That is not true. Your complaints about democrats and progressives who vote for the "vagina" just because it is one may or may not be valid. The fact is however that women are represented in Democrat leadership ranks at the same level as they are in the parties of most other industrialized democracies, so apparently your complaint applies world over. 


 Your underlying argument is that conservative women candidates should not be judged on their own merits, 


actually, what I said is that they WON'T be judged on their own merits by many conservatives, QZ. Not that they shouldn't be. They WON'T be, and that is the reason why Republican Central Committees won't conscript conservative women as often as they will conservative men: they KNOW that religious evangelicals are not going to judge the two on the same standard. That is not being biased, judgmental or derogatory towards women in general and conservative women in particular: that is simply reality.

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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:12-11-2018 05:40:30Copy HTML

Having left an independent Baptist church in part because they would not pay the youth ministers wife for the year that she filled in while they searched for a new music minister because they do not believe women should hold leadership positions over men (even though it was fine when they were not paying her? ) I have to agree with Mrat on that last point. It's simply reality.
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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:12-11-2018 06:56:25Copy HTML

 I'm not trying to over simplify your arguments; as usual I agree with a lot of what you say. I just dont know if I'm landing at the same conclusion.



Let me first clarify my argument:  I'm stating that there are unlying factors which make apples-to-apples comparisons based on raw numbers misleading.   I've offered thoughts on some aspects I view as impacting totals, but they aren't intended to be a comprehensive explanation.  I'm also NOT saying misogyny isn't at play in the same way I wouldn't say racism isn't at play, but assuming it is at play isn't the same as actually being able to quantify it just by raw totals.



I'm also not sure I understand your position that conservative women may not run because they do not see government as the solution. Why does this explain a lack of conservative women but not a lack of conservative men running? And is it not true that if you believe in smaller government, that position needs to be defended by someone in office who believes the same?


I was attempting to clarify that doctrinaire conservatives or classical liberals don't view government in the same way progressives do, which means what they may or may not do begins with a different premise generating different imperatives. I'm old enough to remember the ancient history of Obama's presidency where the right criticized him for elevating government service over the gains of private enterprise.  The point being, HOW an individual or group places value on what has meaning or purpose IS going to influence their decisions.  If you believe that an expansive multi-service-providing regulating government is ESSENTIAL to the future survival of the country and that capitalism is the source or more problems than solutions, then you will be more inclined to aspire to be a national office holder than a CEO, a local office holder, a community volunteer, etc....and vice versa.  


I don't know why more conservative men run than women.  What I do know is that conservative women are, by a landslide, the most relentlessly demonized candidates when they run in my state and for national offices.  When I say "I know", I don't just mean what I can see with my own eyes but also studies I've read.  I know that the party apparachik used to advantage candidates they wanted, and now outside special interests have taken that role, and to the degree with which this impacts elections is far more than most people know.  It is hard to measure what impact technology has really played, but there is zero question that very large titans of tech that lean left are skewing and manipulating information content and access.   The left controls most of the culture shapers, they have advanced their agenda and the culture enough that the TP, if you actually polled them, still wanted THEIR big government programs.  That means that the supposed "extremist right" didn't oppose statism as a construct, and Trump certainly doesn't.  There is no turning back when a sizable number of formerly small government advocates have drunk the koolaid and can't even SEE it.  


I personally think a candidate would be the exception, not the rule, to run for office as a classical liberal  (or anything close to it) and win.  Even if they can articulate it well and had other qualities that were assets for the office, they cannot pitch what will be heard as "taking away something that I want and/or WILL KILL MILLIONS" and convince enough people to vote for that.   That sold back when majorities didn't view every hardship as the government's responsibility to mitigate, now both parties and their respective bases have accepted that government MUST make their lives better, which means they are only fighting over who controls the details.  

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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:12-11-2018 07:39:40Copy HTML

lol, QZ, you seem determined to make more of my words than I either intended or is warranted. First, I said NOTHING, not ONE word, about the intelligence of conservative women, whether running for office or not, so your comment about progs "dumb as a stump:, however true, has no place in this convo.


Thanks for your mansplaining, Father Patriarch, but I will decide what comments express what I want to say.   The CONTEXT, for which "dumb as a stump" was only ONE of the several other apt descriptors, was to make the point that simply electing women because they are women, and not because of their actual fitness for office, is NOT progress as I would define progress.  Now if YOU want to define progress as making gains in unfit representation elected by nincompoops, then kudos to your success. 


Second, to say that for many evangelicals and hardline protestants etc.


Sorry you wasted your time if it was for my benefit...as I said, I put no value in your analysis any more than I put value in a white racist's analysis of how blacks vote.  



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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:12-11-2018 07:56:45Copy HTML

Having left an independent Baptist church in part because they would not pay the youth ministers wife for the year that she filled in while they searched for a new music minister because they do not believe women should hold leadership positions over men (even though it was fine when they were not paying her? ) I have to agree with Mrat on that last point. It's simply reality.



That is a realty inside the church in regard to leadership, either due to doctrinal view or misapplication of doctrine or hypocrisy, does not mean it applies to secular jobs for every individual evangelical voter. That there is SOME element of preference for men as political leaders...sure.  Apparently it is also the case there is SOME preference for hiring men and paying them more if you look at the staffing and pay for MANY so called pro feminist office holders.  


Likewise, there is SOME number of Progs who believe women are better leaders, but they will vote for men, some who are known sexual predators,  so long as they are Dems.  


This drives me nuts in the sense that the preferring women as a Prog isn't considered a prejudice, but preferring men as a GOP/evangelical is?  Obviously there is a sensitivity to the latter based on history...I get that.  I am a woman.  But at the same time, the BASIS of making an argument FOR equality cannot be made on arbritary double standards or hypocrisy. 

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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:12-11-2018 08:42:25Copy HTML

Those same within the church vote with those biases in my experience. And of course that does not apply to all evangelical men or women, but it applies to a larger group than we would probably like to admit. There are those who will say it to your face and defend it with a Bible verse, and there are those who are a little less bold about it and there are those who would deny their bias but still have it. I think the prog preference for women may often simply be a belief that the current imbalance is such that we would all benefit from having more female voices, being actually a tiny bit more than half of the population. I don't know that I would disagree with that in theory, but that doesn't mean I'd vote only according to gender either.
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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:13-11-2018 12:11:51Copy HTML

 

Sorry you wasted your time if it was for my benefit...as I said, I put no value in your analysis any more than I put value in a white racist's analysis of how blacks vote.  

lol,the day you could post ANYTHING I've ever said that shows bias towards protestantism is yet to come my dear. But, I think you know that too, and are just at this point scrabbling to try and recover some dignit.


 Too bad all our pics went away with the changeover. Otherwise, I'd be sure to post...


~Oh, I wish it would rain.~ --The Temptations
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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:13-11-2018 12:33:03Copy HTML

Those same within the church vote with those biases in my experience. And of course that does not apply to all evangelical men or women, but it applies to a larger group than we would probably like to admit. There are those who will say it to your face and defend it with a Bible verse, and there are those who are a little less bold about it and there are those who would deny their bias but still have it. I think the prog preference for women may often simply be a belief that the current imbalance is such that we would all benefit from having more female voices, being actually a tiny bit more than half of the population. I don't know that I would disagree with that in theory, but that doesn't mean I'd vote only according to gender either.




I have no doubt that our opinions are shaped considerably by where we live.  You are in the Bible belt and I am in District 1 of Progtopia.  Here I don't see many evangelical women quoting bible verses...that is what you get from Progs who never read the bible, but saw a meme on social media.   

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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:13-11-2018 12:39:38Copy HTML

 

Sorry you wasted your time if it was for my benefit...as I said, I put no value in your analysis any more than I put value in a white racist's analysis of how blacks vote.  

lol,the day you could post ANYTHING I've ever said that shows bias towards protestantism is yet to come my dear. But, I think you know that too, and are just at this point scrabbling to try and recover some dignit.




Gee, if I didn't know better I could swear there isn't any difference between you and your cardboard cut out of evangelical men.  Please do, tell me more about what I can't do and how I must think and feel.  


Anjy, I'm sure I'm wrong about how hypocrisy defines Prog empowerment of women.  Just ask MRat.  

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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:13-11-2018 01:37:28Copy HTML

Those same within the church vote with those biases in my experience. And of course that does not apply to all evangelical men or women, but it applies to a larger group than we would probably like to admit. There are those who will say it to your face and defend it with a Bible verse, and there are those who are a little less bold about it and there are those who would deny their bias but still have it. I think the prog preference for women may often simply be a belief that the current imbalance is such that we would all benefit from having more female voices, being actually a tiny bit more than half of the population. I don't know that I would disagree with that in theory, but that doesn't mean I'd vote only according to gender either.




I have no doubt that our opinions are shaped considerably by where we live.  You are in the Bible belt and I am in District 1 of Progtopia.  Here I don't see many evangelical women quoting bible verses...that is what you get from Progs who never read the bible, but saw a meme on social media.   



Ha. I'm sure you're right. I'm in the land of Roy Moore over here. 

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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:20-11-2018 08:48:09Copy HTML

It’s pretty clear women have to deal with thugs when they go out to their car one morning and a section of telephone pole is positioned behind her rear tires. What’s a girl to do? My husband: “Move it out of the way.” LOL........Seriously, everyone needs a good laugh in the morning. Raised middle fingers from frightened staff told lies about how I was after their jobs. Tricks of the trade....are numerous. I was able to have fun because no one near me could be threatened with losing their jobs or getting poor grades in school: Self employed husband and kids in college. Some of my support went quiet, but didn’t accuse me of ruining their lives. It was startling that everything bad I’d ever heard about politics was still in play, instead of revealed and eliminated.....a reasonable delusion. Idaho is Republican and I am too liberal for them, but my county is a pocket full of Democrats and I am too conservative for them. So, here I am in the middle, independent....definitely need to get rid of me.....lol Going in to a council meeting one evening, a member of the public said in a rather gruff voice, “What the Hell kind of politician are you! “ When I looked at him, ready to take whatever blast was on his mind, he said, “What politician does exactly what they said they would during their campaign.” A good laugh in the evening isn’t bad either...
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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:06-12-2018 08:22:34Copy HTML

Women have always been like this:


Grace O’Malley: Pirate, Matriarch, 16th-Century Feminist 

(Biographer Anne Chambers writes about her 40-year journey with The Pirate Queen) 

⚔️☠️⚔️☠️⚔️

By Anne Chambers  

Since first published in 1979, the endurance and popularity of this biography reflects the sheer magnetism of its subject. Grace O’Malley (Granuaile) continues to enthrall, inspire and capture the imagination of new generations of devotees worldwide as she undoubtedly initially captured mine.

For many centuries Grace O’Malley was a victim of the mainly male orientation of historical record. While she had more than created her own legend during her lifetime she nonetheless never appeared in the pages of my history books at school, which left me wondering if she had even existed. Despite the fact, as I subsequently discovered, that her life is well documented in Elizabethan state correspondence and that her name, unique for a woman, is enshrined in the famous 1599 Boazio map of Ireland, her absence from Irish historical record, which initially motivated my own interest, has since been rectified.

Imprisoned within the swirls and flourishes of these faded, brittle Elizabethan parchment relics, the story of Grace O’Malley sprang to life. When analysed within the historical context of the traumatic epoch in which she lived, as well as being a wife, mother, divorcee, lover, widow, grandmother, great-grandmother, she emerges as a fearless leader, by land and by sea, a shrewd political tactician, a successful independent business woman, a ruthless plunderer, a mercenary, a rebel, the protective matriarch of her family and her tribe and, above all else, a woman who broke the mould and refused to allow the barriers placed in her path, either by society or by nature, to deter her from her quest.

Grace O’Malley’s place and contribution to political, social and maritime history is now acknowledged and celebrated. Her factual story has been documented for radio and television worldwide and she has inspired a new generation of artists, sculptors, fiction writers, poets, musicians and composers. To judge by the messages and requests I receive from students from all over the world, her absence in the past from school history and curricula has also been rectified.

Over the past 40 years my own journey in her company has led me to many places, from the old pirate city of Port Royal in Jamaica, the hallowed halls of Harvard University, from Greenwich to Galway and many places in between and introduced me to many people whose own lives and careers have been inspired and shaped by this extraordinary woman. From the “Krewe of Grace O’Malley”, a women’s self-help group in Florida, the annual international “Wander Woman Pirate Queen Tour” of her territory on the west coast, now in its 11th year, to festivals in her home county of Mayo, her story continues to make an impact in so many ways. The launch of Grace O’Malley Whiskey earlier this year undoubtedly would have met with her approval!

On a personal level she has helped to change and shape my own life, making me forsake a career in banking for the more precarious but fulfilling life of a writer. More recently her story has encouraged me into other literary outlets for stage and screen.

International focus on gender equality, the MeToo movement and other feminist campaigns make the life of Grace O’Malley, albeit lived over 400 years ago, resonate even more today. She shines as an inspirational beacon to women everywhere and as an example of what can be achieved, even in the most demanding and difficult environments. For Grace O’Malley, it was to survive, against the odds, the political and social chaos and destruction perpetrated against herself, her family and followers during the military conquest of her country, as well as to survive the danger and awesome power of the formidable Atlantic Ocean.  As ageism in society, particularly attitudes to older women, comes under greater scrutiny today, that she retained her status as a woman of power, influence and experience and remained actively involved, by land and sea, right to the end of her long life, makes Grace O’Malley an original symbol of positive ageing. Through her example comes the realisation for women everywhere that age need not be a terminus – merely another port of call.

My own voyage in the company of this pioneering woman seems destined to continue as her story, a testimony of female ability and endurance, is even more relevant today to counteract the widespread discrimination, inequality and negativity that continues to exist in politics, society, business and religion, preventing women from achieving and developing their potential and thereby depriving society of a reservoir of intuition, talent, knowledge and experience.

As former president Mary McAleese writes in her foreword to the anniversary edition of the biography: “Grace O’Malley’s story … can in the end make us smile, knowing that for women – and for civilisation – the best is yet to come if we follow her star.”

 

Grace O’Malley: The Biography of Ireland’s Pirate Queen, 1530-1603 by Anne Chambers is published by Gill Books

Images: 1) Grace O’Malley sculpture at Westport House, County Mayo, Ireland.

2) The meeting of Grace O’Malley and Queen Elizabeth I. (Illustration from Anthologia Hibernica)

3) Anne Chambers at her book launch in the Royal Irish Academy in Dublin of the 40th anniversary edition of Grace O’Malley: The Biography of Ireland’s Pirate Queen, 1530-1603. Photograph: James Forde


What goes around, comes around.
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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:08-12-2018 06:54:45Copy HTML


actually, what I said is that they WON'T be judged on their own merits by many conservatives, QZ. Not that they shouldn't be. They WON'T be, and that is the reason why Republican Central Committees won't conscript conservative women as often as they will conservative men: they KNOW that religious evangelicals are not going to judge the two on the same standard. That is not being biased, judgmental or derogatory towards women in general and conservative women in particular: that is simply reality.


or, perhaps conservative women have a morbid fear of becoming a Maxine Waters, a Nancy Pelousi, a Diane Feinstein, a Barbara Boxer? 

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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:08-12-2018 09:57:18Copy HTML

 

It’s pretty clear women have to deal with thugs when they go out to their car one morning and a section of telephone pole is positioned behind her rear tires.  What’s a girl to do?

My husband:  “Move it out of the way.”

LOL........Seriously, everyone needs a good laugh in the morning.

lol

~Oh, I wish it would rain.~ --The Temptations
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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:10-12-2018 07:45:08Copy HTML

Cuba, China, Iraq and Iran have had more women in upper-level government positions than the United States.


That's just hard to even fathom. Anyway, I did a little gooogling this morning as I was mulling that over and came across this article with this nifty chart. It turns out we here in the Land of the Free don't fare any better than Arab nations when it comes to women in power.


Maybe that's because these countries that are run by dictators don't have any pink pussy hat male hating feminists who have alienated half the voting population.


However as a privileged white American male who has put you poor females in shackles your whole life, I would be more than happy to release you so you could go live in one of those countries that treat their women so much better.


I hear you can get free clitorectomies in some of those Muslim countries and that China's one child policy, which increased the ratio of men to women, makes it easier for women to get a date.


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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:10-12-2018 09:38:53Copy HTML

Cuba, China, Iraq and Iran have had more women in upper-level government positions than the United States.


That's just hard to even fathom. Anyway, I did a little gooogling this morning as I was mulling that over and came across this article with this nifty chart. It turns out we here in the Land of the Free don't fare any better than Arab nations when it comes to women in power.


Maybe that's because these countries that are run by dictators don't have any pink pussy hat male hating feminists who have alienated half the voting population.


However as a privileged white American male who has put you poor females in shackles your whole life, I would be more than happy to release you so you could go live in one of those countries that treat their women so much better.


I hear you can get free clitorectomies in some of those Muslim countries and that China's one child policy, which increased the ratio of men to women, makes it easier for women to get a date.





It seems that you think someone has attacked your white maleness with the question of why other countries have have more women in upper level positions in this the land of the free. Why would that be Bird? 

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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:11-12-2018 04:39:11Copy HTML

It seems that you think someone has attacked your white maleness with the question of why other countries have have more women in upper level positions in this the land of the free. Why would that be Bird? 


No they attack my white maleness because that is what PPH wearing liberal women do. These women are now in direct competition for the leftist victimhood class along with blacks. Their lack of success is always someone else's fault.

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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:11-12-2018 03:06:21Copy HTML

It seems that you think someone has attacked your white maleness with the question of why other countries have have more women in upper level positions in this the land of the free. Why would that be Bird? 


No they attack my white maleness because that is what PPH wearing liberal women do. These women are now in direct competition for the leftist victimhood class along with blacks. Their lack of success is always someone else's fault.



Anjy? Leftist? Liberal? How stupid are you really? Your sense of being attacked (being a victime), when Anjy was doing nothing of the sort has led you to lose the little sense that you have. No loss to anyone really because that little sense you have has not been used for anything.

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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:11-12-2018 05:37:33Copy HTML

Anjy? Leftist? Liberal? How stupid are you really? Your sense of being attacked (being a victime), when Anjy was doing nothing of the sort has led you to lose the little sense that you have. No loss to anyone really because that little sense you have has not been used for anything.


I never insinuated that Anjy is a liberal, moron. I was referring to PPH wearing females who continually whine about being victims of white males.


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Re:Women in government

Date Posted:11-12-2018 05:42:10Copy HTML

Anjy? Leftist? Liberal? How stupid are you really? Your sense of being attacked (being a victime), when Anjy was doing nothing of the sort has led you to lose the little sense that you have. No loss to anyone really because that little sense you have has not been used for anything.


I never insinuated that Anjy is a liberal, moron. I was referring to PPH wearing females who continually whine about being victims of white males.




You cut and paste Anjy's words  and use them to criticize leftists and liberals. If you were not a moron, what would be the reason to do so?

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